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F1 2012: Spanish Grand Prix  
User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10905 posts, RR: 37
Posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2694 times:

Welcome to the first European F1 Grand Prix of the 2012 season!

Spanish Grand Prix May 11-13
Circuit de Catalunya 4655 kms 66 laps

May 11: Free practice 1
now going
May 11: Free practice 2
14:00 local | 12:00 GMT | 14:00 CEST
May 12: Free practice 3
11:00 local | 09:00 GMT | 11:00 CEST
May 12: Qualifying
14:00 local | 12:00 GMT | 14:00 CEST
May 13: Race
14:00 local | 12:00 GMT | 14:00 CEST

Driver changes for this first session of the weekend: Valtteri Bottas in for Bruno Senna at Williams, Jules Bianchi takes over Paul di Resta's car at Force India and we have two debuts in the form of Alexander Rossi for Caterham (replacing Heikki Kovalainen) and Dani Clos giving HRT an all-Spanish line-up as he drivers Narain Karthikeyan's car

Also the Chelsea football club is now in as a sponsor for the Sauber team. Football going to F1 that's quite a novelty.

Let racing begin! Go Circuit de Catalunya! Good luck to all!

  


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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10905 posts, RR: 37
Reply 1, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2676 times:

Spanish Grand Prix
Free practice 1 results

Pos Driver Team Time

1 Alonso ESP Ferrari 1'24.430
2 Vettel GER Red Bull 1'24.808
3 Kobayashi JPN Sauber 1'24.912
4 Button GBR McLaren 1'24.996
5 Bottas FIN Williams 1'25.120
6 Schumacher GER Mercedes 1'25.187
7 Grosjean FRA Lotus 1'25.217
8 Hamilton GBR McLaren 1'25.252
9 Räikkönen FIN Lotus 1'25.285
10 Hülkenberg GER Force India 1'25.339
11 Vergne FRA Toro Rosso 1'25.367
12 Massa BRA Ferrari 1'25.433
13 Webber AUS Red Bull 1'25.539
14 Rosberg GER Mercedes 1'25.607
15 Perez MEX Sauber 1'25.918
16 Ricciardo AUS Toro Rosso 1'26.226
17 Maldonado VEN Williams 1'26.297
18 Bianchi FRA Force India 1'26.630
19 Petrov RUS Caterham 1'27.475
20 Glock GER Marussia 1'28.267
21 Rossi USA Caterham 1'28.448
22 Pic FRA Marussia 1'28.633
23 de la Rosa ESP HRT 1'29.107
24 Clos ESP HRT 1'31.618

        



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User currently offlineBill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8458 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 2659 times:

Quoting MadameConcorde (Thread starter):
Also the Chelsea football club is now in as a sponsor for the Sauber team. Football going to F1 that's quite a novelty.

Obviously they have too much money. Surprising given they seem to change their coach at least once a season and probably have to make huge payouts. Not to mention the money they pay to their players who fail to produce *Cough*Fernando Torres*Cough*. Oh to have more oil dollars than sense.


User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10905 posts, RR: 37
Reply 3, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 2630 times:

Free practice 2 results

Driver Teams Time
1 J Button (GBR) McLaren 1'23.399
2 S Vettel (GER) Red Bull 1'23.563
3 N Rosberg (GER) Mercedes 1'23.771
4 LC Hamilton (GBR) McLaren 1'23.909
5 KM Räikkönen (FIN) Lotus 1'23.918
6 R Grosjean (FRA) Lotus 1'23.964
7 M Webber (AUS) Red Bull 1'24.065
8 M Schumacher (GER) Mercedes 1'24.080
9 K Kobayashi (JPN) Sauber 1'24.214
10 N Hülkenberg (GER) Force India 1'24.365
11 F Massa (BRA) Ferrari 1'24.418
12 S Perez (MEX) Sauber 1'24.422
13 P Maldonado (VEN) Williams 1'24.468
14 F Alonso (ESP) Ferrari 1'24.600
15 P di Resta (GBR) Force India 1'24.688
16 JE Vergne (FRA) Toro Rosso 1'24.733
17 D Ricciardo (AUS) Toro Rosso 1'24.769
18 B Senna (BRA) Williams 1'25.047
19 H Kovalainen (FIN) Caterham 1'26.296
20 V Petrov (RUS) Caterham 1'26.740
21 T Glock (GER) Marussia 1'27.314
22 C Pic (FRA) Marussia 1'27.664
23 PM de la Rosa (ESP) HRT 1'28.235
24 KRN Karthikeyan (IND) HRT -

        



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User currently offlineMIAspotter From Spain, joined Nov 2001, 2784 posts, RR: 25
Reply 4, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 2612 times:

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 1):
Spanish Grand Prix
Free practice 1 results

Pos Driver Team Time

1 Alonso ESP Ferrari 1'24.430
12 Massa BRA Ferrari 1'25.433
Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 3):
Free practice 2 results

Driver Teams Time

11 F Massa (BRA) Ferrari 1'24.418
14 F Alonso (ESP) Ferrari 1'24.600

So Basically on FP1 Alonso used his new updated car, Massa was his same un-bothered self. And on FP2 Alonso used the old car and Massa made a slightly better effort.

:D

I was on the train down from Girona into Barcelona and saw the helicopter hovering over the circuit.

MIAspotter.



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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10905 posts, RR: 37
Reply 5, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2531 times:

Waiting for qualityings. Let's see how it goes this afternoon.

Free practice 3 results

Driver Teams Time

1 S Vettel (GER) Red Bull 1'23.168
2 P Maldonado (VEN) Williams 1'23.336
3 K Kobayashi (JPN) Sauber 1'23.350
4 M Webber (AUS) Red Bull 1'23.578
5 S Perez (MEX) Sauber 1'23.742
6 F Alonso (ESP) Ferrari 1'23.807
7 JE Vergne (FRA) Toro Rosso 1'23.833
8 J Button (GBR) McLaren 1'23.909
9 KM Räikkönen (FIN) Lotus 1'23.936
10 N Rosberg (GER) Mercedes 1'24.070
11 F Massa (BRA) Ferrari 1'24.179
12 N Hülkenberg (GER) Force India 1'24.323
13 D Ricciardo (AUS) Toro Rosso 1'24.331
14 B Senna (BRA) Williams 1'24.409
15 P di Resta (GBR) Force India 1'24.599
16 LC Hamilton (GBR) McLaren 1'24.778
17 M Schumacher (GER) Mercedes 1'24.825
18 V Petrov (RUS) Caterham 1'25.911
19 H Kovalainen (FIN) Caterham 1'26.587
20 C Pic (FRA) Marussia 1'27.469
21 T Glock (GER) Marussia 1'27.689
22 KRN Karthikeyan (IND) HRT 1'28.207
23 PM de la Rosa (ESP) HRT 1'28.373
24 R Grosjean (FRA) Lotus -


  



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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10905 posts, RR: 37
Reply 6, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2523 times:

Spanish Grand Prix Qualifyings

Qualifying 1

Pos Driver Team Laps
1 Hamilton GBR McLaren 8 in pits
2 Grosjean FRA Lotus 8 in pits
3 Alonso ESP Ferrari 6 in pits
4 Rosberg GER Mercedes 8 in pits
5 Maldonado VEN Williams 5 in pits
6 Kobayashi JPN Sauber 8 in pits
7 Räikkönen FIN Lotus 7 in pits
8 Button GBR McLaren 7 in pits
9 Webber AUS Red Bull 5 in pits
10 Hülkenberg GER Force India 7 in pits
11 Schumacher GER Mercedes 8 in pits
12 Vettel GER Red Bull 4 in pits
13 di Resta GBR Force India 8 in pits
14 Massa BRA Ferrari 6 in pits
15 Ricciardo AUS Toro Rosso 8 in pits
16 Perez MEX Sauber 5 in pits
17 Vergne FRA Toro Rosso 8 in pits

18 Senna BRA Williams 8 in pits
19 Petrov RUS Caterham 8 in pits
20 Kovalainen FIN Caterham 8 in pits
21 Pic FRA Marussia 8 in pits
22 Glock GER Marussia 8 in pits
23 de la Rosa ESP HRT 6 in pits
24 Karthikeyan IND HRT 4 in pits


Qualifying 2

Pos Driver Team Laps

1 Maldonado VEN Williams 11 in pits
2 Hamilton GBR McLaren 11 in pits
3 Grosjean FRA Lotus 11 in pits
4 Perez MEX Sauber 11 in pits
5 Räikkönen FIN Lotus 10 in pits
6 Alonso ESP Ferrari 12 in pits
7 Rosberg GER Mercedes 14 in pits
8 Vettel GER Red Bull 10 in pits
9 Kobayashi JPN Sauber 14 in pits
10 Schumacher GER Mercedes 14 in pits

11 Button GBR McLaren 13 in pits
12 Webber AUS Red Bull 8 in pits
13 di Resta GBR Force India 14 in pits
14 Hülkenberg GER Force India 13 in pits
15 Vergne FRA Toro Rosso 11 in pits
16 Ricciardo AUS Toro Rosso 11 in pits
17 Massa BRA Ferrari 12 in pits
18 Senna BRA Williams 8 in pits
19 Petrov RUS Caterham 8 in pits
20 Kovalainen FIN Caterham 8 in pits
21 Pic FRA Marussia 8 in pits
22 Glock GER Marussia 8 in pits
23 de la Rosa ESP HRT 6 in pits
24 Karthikeyan IND HRT 4 in pits

Amazing how Maldonado came into first place!
Webber and Button did not make it to Q3
Kamui's car has a hydraulic leak.


Qualifying 3/The Grid

Pos Driver Team Laps

1 Hamilton GBR McLaren 17 on track
2 Maldonado VEN Williams 14 in pits
3 Alonso ESP Ferrari 15 in pits
4 Grosjean FRA Lotus 14 in pits
5 Räikkönen FIN Lotus 13 in pits
6 Perez MEX Sauber 14 in pits
7 Rosberg GER Mercedes 17 in pits
8 Vettel GER Red Bull 14 in pits
9 Schumacher GER Mercedes 15 in pits
10 Kobayashi JPN Sauber 14 in pits
11 Button GBR McLaren 13 in pits
12 Webber AUS Red Bull 8 in pits
13 di Resta GBR Force India 14 in pits
14 Hülkenberg GER Force India 13 in pits
15 Vergne FRA Toro Rosso 11 in pits
16 Ricciardo AUS Toro Rosso 11 in pits
17 Massa BRA Ferrari 12 in pits
18 Senna BRA Williams 8 in pits
19 Petrov RUS Caterham 8 in pits
20 Kovalainen FIN Caterham 8 in pits
21 Pic FRA Marussia 8 in pits
22 Glock GER Marussia 8 in pits
23 de la Rosa ESP HRT 6 in pits
24 Karthikeyan IND HRT 4 in pits


What a surprise by Maldonado... Hammy came and took him for pole at the very last!
How long will Maldonado will keep the second place? We will find out tomorrow. Alonso did great too.
Great qualfying for the Sauber boys.Checo and Kamui!

Tomorrow will be quite an interesting race. I hope Schumi can gain a lot of places. Would love to see a Schumi podium and a Sauber podium too. Fantastic to see so many great drivers in the 2012 F1 season competition!



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[Edited 2012-05-12 06:09:03]


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User currently offlineCXB77L From Australia, joined Feb 2009, 2640 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2514 times:
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Second for Maldonado! Brilliant! I'm one very happy Williams fan right now  


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User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17079 posts, RR: 10
Reply 8, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2510 times:

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 6):
How long will Maldonado will keep the second place? We will find out tomorrow. Alonso did great too.

He will probably lose it in the first lap! Alsonso/Ferrari always do great starts.



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User currently offlinestealthz From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5714 posts, RR: 44
Reply 9, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2510 times:
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Maldanado should be 1st!!

There is no realistic way to tow a car off the track without breaking Parc Ferme rules.

The team told him to stop, obviously a fuel qty or weight issue, if there is no hard evidence of a mech failure they should be DQ straight away.**

**full disclosure.. I am a McLaren fan of some decades standing.

LH at interview .."no idea what was wrong just told to stop"... what a crock... if theyhad telemetry taht indicated a fault he would know before the Press conference.



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User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17079 posts, RR: 10
Reply 10, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2508 times:

Quoting stealthz (Reply 9):
There is no realistic way to tow a car off the track without breaking Parc Ferme rules.

Then the same rule should be applied after a finished race, and Vettel/Rosberg should be DQ from the last race as they stopped on the track after taking the chequered flag, unless it was something technical.



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User currently offlineMbahGondrong From Indonesia, joined Apr 2011, 35 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2505 times:

Great result for Maldonado and Grosjean. Tomorrow will be interesting.

User currently offlinestealthz From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5714 posts, RR: 44
Reply 12, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2500 times:
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Quoting B747forever (Reply 10):
Then the same rule should be applied after a finished race, and Vettel/Rosberg should be DQ from the last race as they stopped on the track after taking the chequered flag, unless it was something technical

No argument here , that pull over.. no don't... yes stop now this is an emergency stuff was quite bizarre and more than a little cynical!



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User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17079 posts, RR: 10
Reply 13, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2500 times:

Quoting stealthz (Reply 12):
No argument here , that pull over.. no don't... yes stop now this is an emergency stuff was quite bizarre and more than a little cynical!

I do not follow you...



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User currently offlinestealthz From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5714 posts, RR: 44
Reply 14, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2495 times:
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Quoting B747forever (Reply 13):
I do not follow you...

Those were the bizarre messages being given to Vettel at the end of the Bahrain race



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User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17079 posts, RR: 10
Reply 15, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2493 times:

Quoting stealthz (Reply 14):

Those were the bizarre messages being given to Vettel at the end of the Bahrain race

I never heard that message, but I see what you mean.



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User currently offlinesudden From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 4130 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2480 times:

"Only" 14 slots between Alonso and Massa!
One can wonder for how long Ferrari will (want to) continue losing valuable constructors points due Massa.
Freakin stupid of them to even let him start this season with them. I am not a hardcore Ferrari fan, but Alonso is pulling the hole load by himself, which is not enough should they have any shot at anything this season.



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User currently offlineajd1992 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2459 times:

Quoting sudden (Reply 16):
Freakin stupid of them to even let him start this season with them. I am not a hardcore Ferrari fan, but Alonso is pulling the hole load by himself, which is not enough should they have any shot at anything this season.

Unfortunately that's what contracts do...

Karthikeyan is allowed to race by the way. Just seen it on twitter.

Hamilton has been penalised too. Not sure how but I can bet it's a grid drop.

[Edited 2012-05-12 08:57:57]

User currently offlineMIAspotter From Spain, joined Nov 2001, 2784 posts, RR: 25
Reply 18, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2460 times:

Quoting stealthz (Reply 9):
There is no realistic way to tow a car off the track without breaking Parc Ferme rules.

Let´s see how that develops, what would the penalty be?

Quoting sudden (Reply 16):
"Only" 14 slots between Alonso and Massa!
One can wonder for how long Ferrari will (want to) continue losing valuable constructors points due Massa.
Freakin stupid of them to even let him start this season with them. I am not a hardcore Ferrari fan, but Alonso is pulling the hole load by himself, which is not enough should they have any shot at anything this season.

I know, he is just not cutting it. Ferrari should kick his sorry arse out and bring in a replacement pronto, Jaime Alguersuari does not have a seat and it´s just doing testing for Michelin and collaborate with the BBC, I bet he can do MUCH MUCH better on the Ferrari than Massa.

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User currently offlinesudden From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 4130 posts, RR: 6
Reply 19, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2447 times:

Quoting ajd1992 (Reply 17):
Unfortunately that's what contracts do...

A contract in F1 is not worth anything these days and can be terminated, so that's not the reason why they keep him.



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User currently offlineGrahamHill From France, joined Mar 2007, 2849 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 2446 times:

Great driving from Maldonado. It's good to see Williams back on the front grid! Let's hope for a good result tomorrow.

Hamilton half a second faster than anybody, this is quite amazing.

Quoting stealthz (Reply 9):
There is no realistic way to tow a car off the track without breaking Parc Ferme rules.

I found this in the Parc fermé rules:

Quote:
34.3Within three and a half hours of the end of the qualifying practice session all cars used during the session (or which were intended for use but failed to leave the pit lane) must be covered and ready for FIA seals to be applied in order to ensure that they remain secure until the following day.

Does that mean that all cars have 3.5 hours of buffer time after the end of qualifying to go in the Parc fermé? If yes, then McLaren are not breaking any rule.


Quoting sudden (Reply 16):
"Only" 14 slots between Alonso and Massa!

To his defence, Button is only 11th and Webber 12th. But I see what you mean. As I said 3 weeks ago, Massa is declining big time. One wonder how long Ferrari will continue with a millstone like he is now. Who's Ferrari's third driver?



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User currently offlineGrahamHill From France, joined Mar 2007, 2849 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 2441 times:

Just saw this on ESPN F1 twitter:

Quote:
If Hamilton stopped because he did not have enough fuel left for a sample in parc ferme then that could face a punishment.
Quote:
1 litre of fuel is needed for a sample and the team extracted 1.3 litres from Hamilton’s car after it had stopped.
Quote:
McLaren argue that he stopped for a technical reason which, if they can prove, will mean no penalty because it is a case of force majeure.
Quote:
If they can’t prove force majeure there could be a grid penalty, but they would not say what the technical problem was.



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User currently offlineajd1992 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 2416 times:

Quoting sudden (Reply 19):
A contract in F1 is not worth anything these days and can be terminated, so that's not the reason why they keep him.

Maybe they don't want to pay him off?

Who knows but I will bet my bottom dollar he's not at Ferrari next year.


User currently offlineGrahamHill From France, joined Mar 2007, 2849 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 2403 times:

Breaking news from ESPN F1 twitter:

Quote:
Hamilton will start from the back of the grid after the stewards found that he did not have sufficient fuel to make it back to the pits.



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User currently offlinesudden From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 4130 posts, RR: 6
Reply 24, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 2402 times:

Quoting ajd1992 (Reply 22):
Maybe they don't want to pay him off?

Ferrari can bail him out, no problem. Not like they need to pay him the same amount that Räikkonen got when ending his contract.

Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 20):
To his defence, Button is only 11th and Webber 12th

They are, but they are not consistently back there like Massa is.



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25 sudden : Good! This was too obvious if you ask me.
26 Post contains images GrahamHill : I know i know. I was being a bit sarcastic It also gives the first pole to Maldonado! And the first pole for Williams since... ?
27 Post contains images MadameConcorde : Yup just got the news... BREAKING NEWS: Lewis Hamilton has been given a penalty and will start last. Pastor Maldonado takes his first career pole. Thi
28 Post contains images sudden : I never forgive you. Maldonado will have his hands full tomorrow cause Alonso is one of the best, if not the best, starter on the grid. They screwed
29 Post contains links and images MadameConcorde : That makes it the first pole position for Pastor Maldonado. Venezuela will be glued to the television tomorrow. Hugo Chavez will be happy. The rumor h
30 flipdewaf : Well done to Pastor Maldonado, it looks as if he isn't just there because of the money. Things don't seem to go so well for Hamilton sometimes but hop
31 MadameConcorde : Possibly... although we would have probably heard about it by now if he was penalized.
32 GBLKD : Of course not, he's not Lewis Hamilton. The FIA in this case are a f*****g joke, if any other driver had done this it would have been a 5 place drop
33 B747forever : That is what I wrote earlier. The same rule should be applied in that case too. But as we all know, FIA is really inconsistent in their judgement, so
34 sudden : Another die hard Hamilton fan I guess that is so blinded by his idol that he doesn't even see the obvious. Get over yourself or get some medication f
35 Post contains images MIAspotter : If there is one driver to which the so called ¨Ferrari International Assistance¨ has been very lenient, its Lewis Hamilton, so your argument is inv
36 moo : Hamilton should have just beached it in the gravel, then there wouldn't have even been an investigation.
37 flipdewaf : Or parked up next to Kamui Kobayashi as apparently it was fine there. Fred
38 stealthz : Pretty clear cut from the FIA statement... Punishment seems pretty severe compared to previous issues such as the cynical attempts to manipulate the s
39 Bill142 : Correct me if I'm wrong, but I was under the impression the same rules didn't apply (to everyone else) after the race? Had it been anyone else they p
40 stealthz : I also feel that claiming force majeure was a mistake they should have just said.. "oh crap. we screwed up, sorry" Might not have avoided punishment
41 TristarAtLCA : I was mightily surprised when they dropped him to the back of the grid. I could understand them stripping him of his Q3 time, but to exclude him from
42 Post contains images scbriml : Very harsh for what was a clear mistake as opposed to a dileberate attempt to cheat. No. He's made a lot of people very happy. Indeed, other 'crimes'
43 Bill142 : I agree. Unless the things on fire of course. Or both had their settings turned up just that bit too long and burnt more fuel than expected?
44 flipdewaf : Edit, not reading properly! Fred[Edited 2012-05-13 01:21:03]
45 Post contains images MadameConcorde : I was a bit shocked (to say the least) when I heard he was retrograded to the last place on the grid. I would love to see him making up all the place
46 CXB77L : Brazil 2010. Hulkenberg scored pole in a rain affected qualifying session. There's no requirement for cars to return to Parc Ferme under its own powe
47 stealthz : And that technical reason was???
48 Post contains images stealthz : Oh there is no he.. Not saying being a young and pretty brunnette influences her decision making, but a 25 yo F1 steward is a new concept to me and i
49 Post contains images scbriml : So, by my reckoning, three of the four race stewards have zero racing experience between them?
50 Post contains images MadameConcorde : I find it strange they leave the penalizing final decision to a newibe 25 year old girl local race steward. Quite outlandish. I wonder how Pastor Mald
51 Bill142 : To crash into Lewis Hamilton then complain about it for the rest of the season. Then for Luca di Montezemolo to come out and praise him for it.
52 Post contains images MadameConcorde : That's one possibility. I was looking at Hammy sitting in the car in his last place on the grid with his team people all around him. I really wish hi
53 Post contains images MadameConcorde : Maldonado won the Spanish GP! I can't imagine the partying in Venezuela tonight and the next coming days!!! What an amazing reception he will get when
54 Post contains images CXB77L : YES!!!! I'm grinning from ear to ear at the moment. Faaantastic drive from Maldonado. It's been a long time coming for Williams - last win in Brazil 2
55 B747forever : And he beat Button!
56 Aesma : Wow what a strange race ! Happy for Maldonado and Williams (and Renault). Alonso, always there, impressive. Raikko needed one more turn to take him.
57 Post contains images MadameConcorde : I need to see a replay of the Schumi/Senna hit. I was feeling so bad for Schumi. I wonder if he will be penalized for this hitting Bruno Senna and if
58 Post contains images moo : I'm glad a Williams took it, they are one of the teams I have a soft spot for
59 Post contains images MadameConcorde : Spanish Grand Prix Results Pos Driver Team Laps Pits 1 Maldonado VEN Williams 66 3 2 Alonso ESP Ferrari 66 3 3 Räikkönen FIN Lotus 66 3 4 Grosjean F
60 stealthz : Or if McLaren had not broken the rules he might not have been fast enough for pole... admittedly would have been higher up the grid.
61 Aesma : He lacked a couple of liters at most, and was 5 tenth ahead, the pole would have been no trouble.
62 MIAspotter : Could not watch the race because I was at work. But great to hear Maldonado won, first Venezuelan to win a GP! and great to see Alonso and Ferrari up
63 Post contains links and images MadameConcorde : Pastor Maldonado will be a hero in Venezuela. He will get a mega-star official national welcome as he will serve as an encourgement for the youth in
64 stealthz : Point taken.. My main point he was not stripped of pole, his team threw it away!
65 MIAspotter : Sadly this will be taken over politically, saying he is a product of the Bolivarian Revolution yadda yadda yadda... shame. Anyways, no politics here.
66 Post contains links moo : Major fire and explosion at Williams F1 garage at the Spanish circuit, at least one mechanic in the medical Center and the hospitality and paddock has
67 Post contains links and images MadameConcorde : Shock as Williams garage explodes in flames http://thef1times.com/news/display/05984 Video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijtWgoNmbTs&feature=you
68 Post contains images CXB77L : Thanks for the link. I'd imagine Senna's car (at least) would be written off now. Hope they can build a new one in time for Monaco. Likewise.
69 Post contains links and images MadameConcorde : What a horrible way to end the day for the Williams team! Who would ever think of this? Big flames in the garage with so much black smoke http://www.y
70 moo : If this indeed KERS based, I wonder what repercussions that will have on the systems continued presence in this season.
71 Post contains links and images MadameConcorde : Latest reports say that the garage fire is not KERS related but came from ignited fuel. This is the Caterham F1 team statement Caterham F1 Team was i
72 Post contains images moo : Very early to discuss this so I apologise, but a few questions to bank for later discussion - depending on what Williams brought to this race, how doe
73 Post contains links and images MadameConcorde : There is plenty of money in F1. Also Renault are not poor. Venezuela are rich they can lend a financial hand without any problem. There is insurance
74 Post contains images GrahamHill : Congratulations to Pastor Maldonado, but most importantly congratulations to Williams! It's good to see this legendary team back on winning again! Tha
75 Post contains links and images MadameConcorde : Look at this slide show from ABC... this is awful what happened today... a true horror scene... http://www.abc.es/fotos-deportes/201...araje-williams-
76 flipdewaf : If Madonado wasn't enough of a hero today this picture will make everyone love him! I hope everyone recovers ok for Monaco. Fred
77 Post contains links moo : Schumacher to get 5 place grid drop at Monaco for running into the back of Senna. http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/99598
78 Post contains images scbriml : I'm surprised, because Schumacher said it was Senna's fault that he drove into the back of him!
79 B747forever : Wow, that is just terrible. It could have ended much worse though.
80 ltbewr : Another interesting finish. Different driver again. A controversial crash. Then the fire. A report on Fox sports new here (they own Speed Channel that
81 CXB77L : There's been no precedent set for matters such as this, but unfortunately, I'd imagine the accidental destruction of one engine would count, leaving
82 stealthz : I would expect that the FIA would accept a "force majeure" in this case and allow for the replacement of destroyed components. (unlike McLaren's comi
83 Bill142 : Mike Coughlan or Sam Michael? If only Toyota were still in F1 and he was driving for them. Wouldn't make a good brand image.
84 stealthz : Kind of a double whammy... Never been a great fan of Coughlan but there is no real doubt about his engineering management skills, can't really say Mc
85 sudden : hahaha! Well put mate. He is not sounding like an embittered old has been, he is one! Kimi has probably wrapped up more points in 5 races then Schumi
86 Post contains links and images MadameConcorde : FIA Statement confirms 31 were treated after the fire in the Williams garage. 7 hospitalised. It was great to see all the teams working together to he
87 na : All the big news aside I wonder again how much longer Ferrari will be bearing the intolerable bad performances of their second driver. A mere shadow o
88 stealthz : Not quite, MS has earned 150 points in 2 1/4 full seasons whereas KR has 49 from 5 races. The telling point is 2012 where MS has 2 points from 5 race
89 Post contains images MadameConcorde : He has a contract til the end of the 2012 season I suppose. Can Ferrari F1 terminate his contract before the end of the season? They would have to pa
90 stealthz : His management would have seen how the ruthless Scuderia management style pushed MS then KR out and I would assume they have built in some cosy prote
91 na : Massas performance is so bad it should be easy to fire him even without paying a very large sum. Any judge must be able to see that.
92 stealthz : On his performance of late.. I think any price would be worth it! Maybe there is a deeper problem, given the SF treatment of drivers of late, both #1
93 na : Thats certainly the reason why no top driver is eager to jump into a red car at the moment. I think Alonso is the best driver in the field. Anyone jo
94 Post contains images MadameConcorde : Alonso is absolutely unforgiving to Felipe Massa - I don't see how I could blame him for it - but it will be even more unforgiving if he gets one of
95 Post contains links and images moo : Ooops...
96 Aesma : moo : wow, I can't see anything about this in the news, did you notice it yourself ?
97 moo : Yup I did, but that's not my screenshot - I think it's Vergne and he seems to have got away with it, nothing coming from the stewards.
98 GrahamHill : If Kimi keeps his current pace, he'll have as much points in 15 races than Schumi in 2.5 years. Yep, that's the most worrying. I mean, with all respe
99 B747forever : The commentators pointed out that during the race. Either he got away with it or somehow the yellow marking fell off.
100 Post contains images moo : Its a paint on the tyre, it won't fall off
101 flipdewaf : I Assume he will be sent to the back of the grid at the next race for this. Fred
102 Post contains images sudden : I was putting it to the extreme, but still. Schumi is pulling one stunt after the other that makes no sense. And compared to Kimi he is nothing. He b
103 B747forever : Okay. Thought it was some kind of sticker.
104 na : Different tyres front and rear, or what? Beside Massa, in which way? I think Red Bull´s and McLarens results are worse so far looking at their cars
105 moo : Yup, went out on hards on the rear, softs on the front.
106 na : That cant go without consequences. 5 places penalty on the grid next time, or will he be punished like Hamilton?
107 moo : Nothing's been said by the stewards, so no penalty.
108 cybergus : In Venezuela people still can't believe it...but we did. We won our first GP and it is like madness the celebration down there. This victory for Pasto
109 stealthz : Hard on the left rear .. if you follow the shot around the corner he has softs on right rear. Wonder if he had a tyre rubbing episode with someone an
110 Post contains links and images moo : And it's just a coincidence that scuffed yellow paint looks like the silver paint of the prime tyre? In other news, Ferrari has said in a public stat
111 stealthz : I was actually going to add I didn't believe that scenario myself.. hit the post button instead of edit then got distracted!
112 Post contains links and images MadameConcorde : How can you disregard an evil dictator? The man twitted proudly about Pastor Maldonado ending his tweet by "we will win". This sounds much like doubl
113 moo : Because its got nothing to do with the sport? Who backs Maldonado is his business.
114 Post contains images CXB77L : I couldn't agree more. Sport and politics should never, ever mix. Hell, you get North Korea and South Korea playing football in the world cup. When t
115 Post contains images MadameConcorde : This is true, and Iran and other dictatorships teams too. It's just that I don't like it when they use their brilliant sportsmen (women) to boost the
116 moo : And Italian politicians don't use Ferraris status to their own end? I've seen Alonso with many a spanish politician. Both Schumacher and Vettel have
117 na : What? So you wouldnt care if he is backed by a gang of criminals, Neonazis or other terrorism-supporters? Strange opinion that is. There is nothing w
118 moo : Be *very* careful where you tread with statements like that, for one mans criminal is another mans saint (not saying it specifically in relation to C
119 GrahamHill : Ok, but there is a difference between being supported by the President of France or the Prime Minister of Great-Britain, and being supported by Chave
120 moo : Some Algerians might take issue with the President of France, and some Basque region dwellers might take issue with King Juan Carlos etc etc. Theres
121 na : Well, I think one can objectively say that someone who oppresses opposition by force or even kills democratic opponents cant be a saint, and the one
122 moo : And yet you miss the point...
123 Post contains links MadameConcorde : Pastor Maldonado is certainly not shy about his personal relationship with Hugo Chavez. Millionaire man Maldonado answers critics To his credit, Mald
124 Post contains images Acheron : Yeah, He has killed plenty of opposition members, lol. Anyway, nice way to hijack and derail the thread, as usual.
125 MadameConcorde : Not really as he is one of the sponsors for the F1 driver who has just won the Spanish Grand Prix.
126 srbmod : Since some of you want to turn this into an OFF TOPIC political discussion, this thread is now locked.
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