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F1 2012: Spanish Grand Prix  
User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10887 posts, RR: 37
Posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2632 times:

Welcome to the first European F1 Grand Prix of the 2012 season!

Spanish Grand Prix May 11-13
Circuit de Catalunya 4655 kms 66 laps

May 11: Free practice 1
now going
May 11: Free practice 2
14:00 local | 12:00 GMT | 14:00 CEST
May 12: Free practice 3
11:00 local | 09:00 GMT | 11:00 CEST
May 12: Qualifying
14:00 local | 12:00 GMT | 14:00 CEST
May 13: Race
14:00 local | 12:00 GMT | 14:00 CEST

Driver changes for this first session of the weekend: Valtteri Bottas in for Bruno Senna at Williams, Jules Bianchi takes over Paul di Resta's car at Force India and we have two debuts in the form of Alexander Rossi for Caterham (replacing Heikki Kovalainen) and Dani Clos giving HRT an all-Spanish line-up as he drivers Narain Karthikeyan's car

Also the Chelsea football club is now in as a sponsor for the Sauber team. Football going to F1 that's quite a novelty.

Let racing begin! Go Circuit de Catalunya! Good luck to all!

  


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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10887 posts, RR: 37
Reply 1, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 2614 times:

Spanish Grand Prix
Free practice 1 results

Pos Driver Team Time

1 Alonso ESP Ferrari 1'24.430
2 Vettel GER Red Bull 1'24.808
3 Kobayashi JPN Sauber 1'24.912
4 Button GBR McLaren 1'24.996
5 Bottas FIN Williams 1'25.120
6 Schumacher GER Mercedes 1'25.187
7 Grosjean FRA Lotus 1'25.217
8 Hamilton GBR McLaren 1'25.252
9 Räikkönen FIN Lotus 1'25.285
10 Hülkenberg GER Force India 1'25.339
11 Vergne FRA Toro Rosso 1'25.367
12 Massa BRA Ferrari 1'25.433
13 Webber AUS Red Bull 1'25.539
14 Rosberg GER Mercedes 1'25.607
15 Perez MEX Sauber 1'25.918
16 Ricciardo AUS Toro Rosso 1'26.226
17 Maldonado VEN Williams 1'26.297
18 Bianchi FRA Force India 1'26.630
19 Petrov RUS Caterham 1'27.475
20 Glock GER Marussia 1'28.267
21 Rossi USA Caterham 1'28.448
22 Pic FRA Marussia 1'28.633
23 de la Rosa ESP HRT 1'29.107
24 Clos ESP HRT 1'31.618

        



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User currently offlineBill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8439 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 2597 times:

Quoting MadameConcorde (Thread starter):
Also the Chelsea football club is now in as a sponsor for the Sauber team. Football going to F1 that's quite a novelty.

Obviously they have too much money. Surprising given they seem to change their coach at least once a season and probably have to make huge payouts. Not to mention the money they pay to their players who fail to produce *Cough*Fernando Torres*Cough*. Oh to have more oil dollars than sense.


User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10887 posts, RR: 37
Reply 3, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2568 times:

Free practice 2 results

Driver Teams Time
1 J Button (GBR) McLaren 1'23.399
2 S Vettel (GER) Red Bull 1'23.563
3 N Rosberg (GER) Mercedes 1'23.771
4 LC Hamilton (GBR) McLaren 1'23.909
5 KM Räikkönen (FIN) Lotus 1'23.918
6 R Grosjean (FRA) Lotus 1'23.964
7 M Webber (AUS) Red Bull 1'24.065
8 M Schumacher (GER) Mercedes 1'24.080
9 K Kobayashi (JPN) Sauber 1'24.214
10 N Hülkenberg (GER) Force India 1'24.365
11 F Massa (BRA) Ferrari 1'24.418
12 S Perez (MEX) Sauber 1'24.422
13 P Maldonado (VEN) Williams 1'24.468
14 F Alonso (ESP) Ferrari 1'24.600
15 P di Resta (GBR) Force India 1'24.688
16 JE Vergne (FRA) Toro Rosso 1'24.733
17 D Ricciardo (AUS) Toro Rosso 1'24.769
18 B Senna (BRA) Williams 1'25.047
19 H Kovalainen (FIN) Caterham 1'26.296
20 V Petrov (RUS) Caterham 1'26.740
21 T Glock (GER) Marussia 1'27.314
22 C Pic (FRA) Marussia 1'27.664
23 PM de la Rosa (ESP) HRT 1'28.235
24 KRN Karthikeyan (IND) HRT -

        



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User currently offlineMIAspotter From Spain, joined Nov 2001, 2735 posts, RR: 25
Reply 4, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 2550 times:

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 1):
Spanish Grand Prix
Free practice 1 results

Pos Driver Team Time

1 Alonso ESP Ferrari 1'24.430
12 Massa BRA Ferrari 1'25.433
Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 3):
Free practice 2 results

Driver Teams Time

11 F Massa (BRA) Ferrari 1'24.418
14 F Alonso (ESP) Ferrari 1'24.600

So Basically on FP1 Alonso used his new updated car, Massa was his same un-bothered self. And on FP2 Alonso used the old car and Massa made a slightly better effort.

:D

I was on the train down from Girona into Barcelona and saw the helicopter hovering over the circuit.

MIAspotter.



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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10887 posts, RR: 37
Reply 5, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 2469 times:

Waiting for qualityings. Let's see how it goes this afternoon.

Free practice 3 results

Driver Teams Time

1 S Vettel (GER) Red Bull 1'23.168
2 P Maldonado (VEN) Williams 1'23.336
3 K Kobayashi (JPN) Sauber 1'23.350
4 M Webber (AUS) Red Bull 1'23.578
5 S Perez (MEX) Sauber 1'23.742
6 F Alonso (ESP) Ferrari 1'23.807
7 JE Vergne (FRA) Toro Rosso 1'23.833
8 J Button (GBR) McLaren 1'23.909
9 KM Räikkönen (FIN) Lotus 1'23.936
10 N Rosberg (GER) Mercedes 1'24.070
11 F Massa (BRA) Ferrari 1'24.179
12 N Hülkenberg (GER) Force India 1'24.323
13 D Ricciardo (AUS) Toro Rosso 1'24.331
14 B Senna (BRA) Williams 1'24.409
15 P di Resta (GBR) Force India 1'24.599
16 LC Hamilton (GBR) McLaren 1'24.778
17 M Schumacher (GER) Mercedes 1'24.825
18 V Petrov (RUS) Caterham 1'25.911
19 H Kovalainen (FIN) Caterham 1'26.587
20 C Pic (FRA) Marussia 1'27.469
21 T Glock (GER) Marussia 1'27.689
22 KRN Karthikeyan (IND) HRT 1'28.207
23 PM de la Rosa (ESP) HRT 1'28.373
24 R Grosjean (FRA) Lotus -


  



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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10887 posts, RR: 37
Reply 6, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 2461 times:

Spanish Grand Prix Qualifyings

Qualifying 1

Pos Driver Team Laps
1 Hamilton GBR McLaren 8 in pits
2 Grosjean FRA Lotus 8 in pits
3 Alonso ESP Ferrari 6 in pits
4 Rosberg GER Mercedes 8 in pits
5 Maldonado VEN Williams 5 in pits
6 Kobayashi JPN Sauber 8 in pits
7 Räikkönen FIN Lotus 7 in pits
8 Button GBR McLaren 7 in pits
9 Webber AUS Red Bull 5 in pits
10 Hülkenberg GER Force India 7 in pits
11 Schumacher GER Mercedes 8 in pits
12 Vettel GER Red Bull 4 in pits
13 di Resta GBR Force India 8 in pits
14 Massa BRA Ferrari 6 in pits
15 Ricciardo AUS Toro Rosso 8 in pits
16 Perez MEX Sauber 5 in pits
17 Vergne FRA Toro Rosso 8 in pits

18 Senna BRA Williams 8 in pits
19 Petrov RUS Caterham 8 in pits
20 Kovalainen FIN Caterham 8 in pits
21 Pic FRA Marussia 8 in pits
22 Glock GER Marussia 8 in pits
23 de la Rosa ESP HRT 6 in pits
24 Karthikeyan IND HRT 4 in pits


Qualifying 2

Pos Driver Team Laps

1 Maldonado VEN Williams 11 in pits
2 Hamilton GBR McLaren 11 in pits
3 Grosjean FRA Lotus 11 in pits
4 Perez MEX Sauber 11 in pits
5 Räikkönen FIN Lotus 10 in pits
6 Alonso ESP Ferrari 12 in pits
7 Rosberg GER Mercedes 14 in pits
8 Vettel GER Red Bull 10 in pits
9 Kobayashi JPN Sauber 14 in pits
10 Schumacher GER Mercedes 14 in pits

11 Button GBR McLaren 13 in pits
12 Webber AUS Red Bull 8 in pits
13 di Resta GBR Force India 14 in pits
14 Hülkenberg GER Force India 13 in pits
15 Vergne FRA Toro Rosso 11 in pits
16 Ricciardo AUS Toro Rosso 11 in pits
17 Massa BRA Ferrari 12 in pits
18 Senna BRA Williams 8 in pits
19 Petrov RUS Caterham 8 in pits
20 Kovalainen FIN Caterham 8 in pits
21 Pic FRA Marussia 8 in pits
22 Glock GER Marussia 8 in pits
23 de la Rosa ESP HRT 6 in pits
24 Karthikeyan IND HRT 4 in pits

Amazing how Maldonado came into first place!
Webber and Button did not make it to Q3
Kamui's car has a hydraulic leak.


Qualifying 3/The Grid

Pos Driver Team Laps

1 Hamilton GBR McLaren 17 on track
2 Maldonado VEN Williams 14 in pits
3 Alonso ESP Ferrari 15 in pits
4 Grosjean FRA Lotus 14 in pits
5 Räikkönen FIN Lotus 13 in pits
6 Perez MEX Sauber 14 in pits
7 Rosberg GER Mercedes 17 in pits
8 Vettel GER Red Bull 14 in pits
9 Schumacher GER Mercedes 15 in pits
10 Kobayashi JPN Sauber 14 in pits
11 Button GBR McLaren 13 in pits
12 Webber AUS Red Bull 8 in pits
13 di Resta GBR Force India 14 in pits
14 Hülkenberg GER Force India 13 in pits
15 Vergne FRA Toro Rosso 11 in pits
16 Ricciardo AUS Toro Rosso 11 in pits
17 Massa BRA Ferrari 12 in pits
18 Senna BRA Williams 8 in pits
19 Petrov RUS Caterham 8 in pits
20 Kovalainen FIN Caterham 8 in pits
21 Pic FRA Marussia 8 in pits
22 Glock GER Marussia 8 in pits
23 de la Rosa ESP HRT 6 in pits
24 Karthikeyan IND HRT 4 in pits


What a surprise by Maldonado... Hammy came and took him for pole at the very last!
How long will Maldonado will keep the second place? We will find out tomorrow. Alonso did great too.
Great qualfying for the Sauber boys.Checo and Kamui!

Tomorrow will be quite an interesting race. I hope Schumi can gain a lot of places. Would love to see a Schumi podium and a Sauber podium too. Fantastic to see so many great drivers in the 2012 F1 season competition!



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[Edited 2012-05-12 06:09:03]


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User currently offlineCXB77L From Australia, joined Feb 2009, 2597 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2452 times:
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Second for Maldonado! Brilliant! I'm one very happy Williams fan right now  


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User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17052 posts, RR: 10
Reply 8, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2448 times:

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 6):
How long will Maldonado will keep the second place? We will find out tomorrow. Alonso did great too.

He will probably lose it in the first lap! Alsonso/Ferrari always do great starts.



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User currently offlinestealthz From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5678 posts, RR: 45
Reply 9, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2448 times:
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Maldanado should be 1st!!

There is no realistic way to tow a car off the track without breaking Parc Ferme rules.

The team told him to stop, obviously a fuel qty or weight issue, if there is no hard evidence of a mech failure they should be DQ straight away.**

**full disclosure.. I am a McLaren fan of some decades standing.

LH at interview .."no idea what was wrong just told to stop"... what a crock... if theyhad telemetry taht indicated a fault he would know before the Press conference.



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User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17052 posts, RR: 10
Reply 10, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2446 times:

Quoting stealthz (Reply 9):
There is no realistic way to tow a car off the track without breaking Parc Ferme rules.

Then the same rule should be applied after a finished race, and Vettel/Rosberg should be DQ from the last race as they stopped on the track after taking the chequered flag, unless it was something technical.



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User currently offlineMbahGondrong From Indonesia, joined Apr 2011, 35 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2443 times:

Great result for Maldonado and Grosjean. Tomorrow will be interesting.

User currently offlinestealthz From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5678 posts, RR: 45
Reply 12, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2438 times:
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Quoting B747forever (Reply 10):
Then the same rule should be applied after a finished race, and Vettel/Rosberg should be DQ from the last race as they stopped on the track after taking the chequered flag, unless it was something technical

No argument here , that pull over.. no don't... yes stop now this is an emergency stuff was quite bizarre and more than a little cynical!



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User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17052 posts, RR: 10
Reply 13, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2438 times:

Quoting stealthz (Reply 12):
No argument here , that pull over.. no don't... yes stop now this is an emergency stuff was quite bizarre and more than a little cynical!

I do not follow you...



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User currently offlinestealthz From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5678 posts, RR: 45
Reply 14, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2433 times:
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Quoting B747forever (Reply 13):
I do not follow you...

Those were the bizarre messages being given to Vettel at the end of the Bahrain race



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User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17052 posts, RR: 10
Reply 15, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2431 times:

Quoting stealthz (Reply 14):

Those were the bizarre messages being given to Vettel at the end of the Bahrain race

I never heard that message, but I see what you mean.



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User currently offlinesudden From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 4130 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2418 times:

"Only" 14 slots between Alonso and Massa!
One can wonder for how long Ferrari will (want to) continue losing valuable constructors points due Massa.
Freakin stupid of them to even let him start this season with them. I am not a hardcore Ferrari fan, but Alonso is pulling the hole load by himself, which is not enough should they have any shot at anything this season.



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User currently offlineajd1992 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2397 times:

Quoting sudden (Reply 16):
Freakin stupid of them to even let him start this season with them. I am not a hardcore Ferrari fan, but Alonso is pulling the hole load by himself, which is not enough should they have any shot at anything this season.

Unfortunately that's what contracts do...

Karthikeyan is allowed to race by the way. Just seen it on twitter.

Hamilton has been penalised too. Not sure how but I can bet it's a grid drop.

[Edited 2012-05-12 08:57:57]

User currently offlineMIAspotter From Spain, joined Nov 2001, 2735 posts, RR: 25
Reply 18, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2398 times:

Quoting stealthz (Reply 9):
There is no realistic way to tow a car off the track without breaking Parc Ferme rules.

Let´s see how that develops, what would the penalty be?

Quoting sudden (Reply 16):
"Only" 14 slots between Alonso and Massa!
One can wonder for how long Ferrari will (want to) continue losing valuable constructors points due Massa.
Freakin stupid of them to even let him start this season with them. I am not a hardcore Ferrari fan, but Alonso is pulling the hole load by himself, which is not enough should they have any shot at anything this season.

I know, he is just not cutting it. Ferrari should kick his sorry arse out and bring in a replacement pronto, Jaime Alguersuari does not have a seat and it´s just doing testing for Michelin and collaborate with the BBC, I bet he can do MUCH MUCH better on the Ferrari than Massa.

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User currently offlinesudden From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 4130 posts, RR: 6
Reply 19, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2385 times:

Quoting ajd1992 (Reply 17):
Unfortunately that's what contracts do...

A contract in F1 is not worth anything these days and can be terminated, so that's not the reason why they keep him.



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User currently offlineGrahamHill From France, joined Mar 2007, 2807 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2384 times:

Great driving from Maldonado. It's good to see Williams back on the front grid! Let's hope for a good result tomorrow.

Hamilton half a second faster than anybody, this is quite amazing.

Quoting stealthz (Reply 9):
There is no realistic way to tow a car off the track without breaking Parc Ferme rules.

I found this in the Parc fermé rules:

Quote:
34.3Within three and a half hours of the end of the qualifying practice session all cars used during the session (or which were intended for use but failed to leave the pit lane) must be covered and ready for FIA seals to be applied in order to ensure that they remain secure until the following day.

Does that mean that all cars have 3.5 hours of buffer time after the end of qualifying to go in the Parc fermé? If yes, then McLaren are not breaking any rule.


Quoting sudden (Reply 16):
"Only" 14 slots between Alonso and Massa!

To his defence, Button is only 11th and Webber 12th. But I see what you mean. As I said 3 weeks ago, Massa is declining big time. One wonder how long Ferrari will continue with a millstone like he is now. Who's Ferrari's third driver?



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User currently offlineGrahamHill From France, joined Mar 2007, 2807 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2379 times:

Just saw this on ESPN F1 twitter:

Quote:
If Hamilton stopped because he did not have enough fuel left for a sample in parc ferme then that could face a punishment.
Quote:
1 litre of fuel is needed for a sample and the team extracted 1.3 litres from Hamilton’s car after it had stopped.
Quote:
McLaren argue that he stopped for a technical reason which, if they can prove, will mean no penalty because it is a case of force majeure.
Quote:
If they can’t prove force majeure there could be a grid penalty, but they would not say what the technical problem was.



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User currently offlineajd1992 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2354 times:

Quoting sudden (Reply 19):
A contract in F1 is not worth anything these days and can be terminated, so that's not the reason why they keep him.

Maybe they don't want to pay him off?

Who knows but I will bet my bottom dollar he's not at Ferrari next year.


User currently offlineGrahamHill From France, joined Mar 2007, 2807 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2341 times:

Breaking news from ESPN F1 twitter:

Quote:
Hamilton will start from the back of the grid after the stewards found that he did not have sufficient fuel to make it back to the pits.



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User currently offlinesudden From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 4130 posts, RR: 6
Reply 24, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2340 times:

Quoting ajd1992 (Reply 22):
Maybe they don't want to pay him off?

Ferrari can bail him out, no problem. Not like they need to pay him the same amount that Räikkonen got when ending his contract.

Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 20):
To his defence, Button is only 11th and Webber 12th

They are, but they are not consistently back there like Massa is.



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User currently offlinesudden From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 4130 posts, RR: 6
Reply 25, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2370 times:

Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 23):
Breaking news from ESPN F1 twitter:

Good! This was too obvious if you ask me.



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User currently offlineGrahamHill From France, joined Mar 2007, 2807 posts, RR: 2
Reply 26, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2366 times:

Quoting sudden (Reply 24):
They are, but they are not consistently back there like Massa is.

I know i know. I was being a bit sarcastic 
Quoting sudden (Reply 25):
Good!

It also gives the first pole to Maldonado! And the first pole for Williams since... ?



"A learned fool is more foolish than an ignorant one" - Moliere
User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10887 posts, RR: 37
Reply 27, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2399 times:

Yup just got the news...

BREAKING NEWS: Lewis Hamilton has been given a penalty and will start last. Pastor Maldonado takes his first career pole.

This is another out of luck year for Hammy... If he can catch all the drivers and go back to the front places by the end I'll say Kudos to him... but how many chances for that to happen?

    



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User currently offlinesudden From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 4130 posts, RR: 6
Reply 28, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2395 times:

Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 26):
I know i know. I was being a bit sarcastic

I never forgive you.  

Maldonado will have his hands full tomorrow cause Alonso is one of the best, if not the best, starter on the grid.

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 27):
This is another out of luck year for Hammy

They screwed up, simple as that. Can not see where the unluck comes from when you fail to comply with the rules, and try to get away with it.

[Edited 2012-05-12 11:03:11]

[Edited 2012-05-12 11:03:50]


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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10887 posts, RR: 37
Reply 29, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2377 times:

That makes it the first pole position for Pastor Maldonado. Venezuela will be glued to the television tomorrow. Hugo Chavez will be happy.

The rumor here in Monaco is that Hammy got himself a new toy. I did some research on the internet with the new toy's name and this is what I found... so it must be true...

2013 Pagani Zonda 760 LH

Hamilton’s car is said to be based upon the 760 RS which was recently commissioned and built for a very special Chilean owner. The 760 RS is the most powerful production car Pagani has built to date, even surpassing the Huayra by about 60BHP, pumping out an incredible 760 horsepower. The car ordered by Hamilton differs in one major way to the RS, as it will be built with a traditional manual transmission, leading the McLaren driver to state, “my company car has a paddle-change gearbox, so when I drive for fun, I want a manual.”

http://www.topspeed.com/cars/pagani/...-pagani-zonda-760-lh-ar128378.html

    



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User currently offlineflipdewaf From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2006, 1562 posts, RR: 1
Reply 30, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2365 times:
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Well done to Pastor Maldonado, it looks as if he isn't just there because of the money.

Things don't seem to go so well for Hamilton sometimes but hopefully he will be able to show lots of overtaking tomorrow and he may start from the pits so he can start on the harder tyre?

Will Kimui Kobayashi also be moved to the back as he got out of his car as well?

Fred


User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10887 posts, RR: 37
Reply 31, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2365 times:

Quoting flipdewaf (Reply 30):
Will Kimui Kobayashi also be moved to the back as he got out of his car as well?

Possibly... although we would have probably heard about it by now if he was penalized.



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User currently offlineGBLKD From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2011, 345 posts, RR: 0
Reply 32, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2370 times:

Quoting flipdewaf (Reply 30):
Will Kimui Kobayashi also be moved to the back as he got out of his car as well?

Of course not, he's not Lewis Hamilton.

The FIA in this case are a f*****g joke, if any other driver had done this it would have been a 5 place drop or it would have been ignored.

Vettel and Rosberg should have thier points stripped for stopping after the last race.

Ferrari International Assistance strikes again, Alonso "promoted" to front row at his home race, what a surprise.


User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17052 posts, RR: 10
Reply 33, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2338 times:

Quoting GBLKD (Reply 32):
Vettel and Rosberg should have thier points stripped for stopping after the last race.

That is what I wrote earlier. The same rule should be applied in that case too. But as we all know, FIA is really inconsistent in their judgement, so I expect nothing like that to happen.

Also, why put him at the very end of the start grid? He made it through Q1 and Q2, so FIA should at most have his Q3 results excluded, not the whole qualifying results.

Quoting GBLKD (Reply 32):
Ferrari International Assistance strikes again, Alonso "promoted" to front row at his home race, what a surprise.

Dont bring up that old crap again. It does not have anything with Ferrari to do, it is just typical FIA knee-jerk reaction.



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User currently offlinesudden From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 4130 posts, RR: 6
Reply 34, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2341 times:

Quoting GBLKD (Reply 32):
Of course not, he's not Lewis Hamilton.

The FIA in this case are a f*****g joke, if any other driver had done this it would have been a 5 place drop or it would have been ignored.

Another die hard Hamilton fan I guess that is so blinded by his idol that he doesn't even see the obvious.

Quoting GBLKD (Reply 32):
Ferrari International Assistance strikes again, Alonso "promoted" to front row at his home race, what a surprise.

Get over yourself or get some medication for whatever is wrong with you.



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User currently offlineMIAspotter From Spain, joined Nov 2001, 2735 posts, RR: 25
Reply 35, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2331 times:

Quoting GBLKD (Reply 32):
The FIA in this case are a f*****g joke

  

Quoting GBLKD (Reply 32):
Ferrari International Assistance strikes again

  

If there is one driver to which the so called ¨Ferrari International Assistance¨ has been very lenient, its Lewis Hamilton, so your argument is invalid.

I do agree that they need to standardize their penalties.

Anyways, we know Hamilton is a good driver and he will make up for that in the race (unless he crashes with Massa    )

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User currently offlinemoo From Falkland Islands, joined May 2007, 3868 posts, RR: 5
Reply 36, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 2295 times:

Hamilton should have just beached it in the gravel, then there wouldn't have even been an investigation.

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Reply 37, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 2291 times:
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Quoting moo (Reply 36):

Or parked up next to Kamui Kobayashi as apparently it was fine there.

Fred


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Reply 38, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2261 times:
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Pretty clear cut from the FIA statement...

Quote:
The Stewards heard from the team representative Mr Sam Michael who stated that the car stopped on the circuit for reasons of force majeure. A team member had put an insufficient quantity of fuel into the car thereby resulting in the car having to be stopped on the circuit in order to be able to provide the required amount for sampling purposes.
As the amount of fuel put into the car is under the complete control of the Competitor the Stewards cannot accept this as a case of force majeure.

Punishment seems pretty severe compared to previous issues such as the cynical attempts to manipulate the situation tried by Red Bull at Bahrain...

.. would it be inflammatory to mention one of the stewards is 25yo Spaniard??



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User currently offlineBill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8439 posts, RR: 8
Reply 39, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2257 times:

Quoting stealthz (Reply 38):
Punishment seems pretty severe compared to previous issues such as the cynical attempts to manipulate the situation tried by Red Bull at Bahrain...

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I was under the impression the same rules didn't apply (to everyone else) after the race? Had it been anyone else they probably would have been given a reprimand. And as this was McLarens second offence, infact they were the ones who prompted the tightening of rules, a harsher penalty was deemed appropriate. But given that for a large part of Q3 it was looking like no one was going out, McLaren should have been given a lighter penalty in my opinion.

Still seems there are people within the FIA that have a vendetta against McLaren.


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Reply 40, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2254 times:
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Quoting Bill142 (Reply 39):
a harsher penalty was deemed appropriate.

I also feel that claiming force majeure was a mistake they should have just said.. "oh crap. we screwed up, sorry"

Might not have avoided punishment but would be more honest!

Further research with regard to Vettel at Bahrain, the stop was a cynical attempt to manipulate the fuel/weight tests, as demonstrated by SV's answeres at the press conference, but there is no requirement to return to the parc ferme under own power as in qual.
There should be though!!



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User currently offlineTristarAtLCA From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2007, 616 posts, RR: 0
Reply 41, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2232 times:

I was mightily surprised when they dropped him to the back of the grid. I could understand them stripping him of his Q3 time, but to exclude him from qualifying completely seems very harsh and I have a huge amount of sympathy for Hamilton for the damned if he did, damned if he didn't position his team placed him in.

But to be fair, McLaren have become adept at cocking up the simple things like pit stops, removing blanks from intakes, putting enough fuel in for qualifying..........



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Reply 42, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2212 times:
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Quoting stealthz (Reply 38):
Punishment seems pretty severe compared to previous issues such as the cynical attempts to manipulate the situation tried by Red Bull at Bahrain...

Very harsh for what was a clear mistake as opposed to a dileberate attempt to cheat.

Quoting stealthz (Reply 38):
.. would it be inflammatory to mention one of the stewards is 25yo Spaniard??

No. He's made a lot of people very happy.   

Quoting TristarAtLCA (Reply 41):
I was mightily surprised when they dropped him to the back of the grid. I could understand them stripping him of his Q3 time, but to exclude him from qualifying completely seems very harsh

Indeed, other 'crimes' would have just involved the loss of the fastest time. It's beyond harsh, vindictive would seem to be more appropriate. But hey, he's in Spain.

Quoting TristarAtLCA (Reply 41):
I have a huge amount of sympathy for Hamilton for the damned if he did, damned if he didn't position his team placed him in.

Hamilton clearly did nothing wrong himself, not that that will stop his detractors from enjoying his situation.



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User currently offlineBill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8439 posts, RR: 8
Reply 43, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2210 times:

Quoting stealthz (Reply 40):
There should be though!!

I agree. Unless the things on fire of course.

Quoting scbriml (Reply 42):
Very harsh for what was a clear mistake as opposed to a dileberate attempt to cheat.

Or both had their settings turned up just that bit too long and burnt more fuel than expected?


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Reply 44, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 2180 times:
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Edit, not reading properly!

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[Edited 2012-05-13 01:21:03]

User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10887 posts, RR: 37
Reply 45, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 2178 times:

Quoting scbriml (Reply 42):
Hamilton clearly did nothing wrong himself, not that that will stop his detractors from enjoying his situation.

I was a bit shocked (to say the least) when I heard he was retrograded to the last place on the grid.
I would love to see him making up all the places and winning the race despite this much too unfair punishment.

Go Hammy!!!! Just Do It!!!!

Yes You Can!!!!

           



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Reply 46, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 2163 times:
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Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 26):
And the first pole for Williams since... ?

Brazil 2010. Hulkenberg scored pole in a rain affected qualifying session.

Quoting GBLKD (Reply 32):
Vettel and Rosberg should have thier points stripped for stopping after the last race.

There's no requirement for cars to return to Parc Ferme under its own power after the race. Also, Vettel retired from the last race due to a technical issue. If there wasn't a legitimate reason for his retirement, he probably would have been penalised.



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Reply 47, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 2156 times:
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Quoting CXB77L (Reply 46):
Vettel retired from the last race due to a technical issue.

And that technical reason was???



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Reply 48, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2147 times:
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Quoting scbriml (Reply 42):
Quoting stealthz (Reply 38):
.. would it be inflammatory to mention one of the stewards is 25yo Spaniard??

No. He's made a lot of people very happy.

Oh there is no he..

Not saying being a young and pretty brunnette influences her decision making, but a 25 yo F1 steward is a new concept to me and in her home country as well.



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Reply 49, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2138 times:
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Quoting stealthz (Reply 48):

 Wow!

So, by my reckoning, three of the four race stewards have zero racing experience between them?   



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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10887 posts, RR: 37
Reply 50, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2131 times:

I find it strange they leave the penalizing final decision to a newibe 25 year old girl local race steward. Quite outlandish.

I wonder how Pastor Maldonado will start the race considering that he has no pole experience at all. I hope he is not going to crash into Alonso or have other drivers crashing.

We will find out soon enough.

 Wow!

and Massa... what the heck can we expect from him today again?

The sky is overcast - less heat today it seems. This might have a positive influence the tyres - and the drivers too. They will not be cooking in their cockpits.

  



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Reply 51, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2126 times:

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 50):
and Massa... what the heck can we expect from him today again?

To crash into Lewis Hamilton then complain about it for the rest of the season. Then for Luca di Montezemolo to come out and praise him for it.


User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10887 posts, RR: 37
Reply 52, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2135 times:

Quoting Bill142 (Reply 51):
To crash into Lewis Hamilton then complain about it for the rest of the season. Then for Luca di Montezemolo to come out and praise him for it.

That's one possibility. I was looking at Hammy sitting in the car in his last place on the grid with his team people all around him. I really wish him the best and no crash or any other incident. He really deserves to go back all the way to the top of the whole pack. He was so unfairly penalized all the way to the back. He will have his old friend Pedro de la Rosa and Khartikeyan with him. This is so unusual.

Let's wish him the very best in this race. I hope he will create the big surprise today!

Go Hammy boy!!! Do it!!!!!

              



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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10887 posts, RR: 37
Reply 53, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2113 times:

Maldonado won the Spanish GP!

I can't imagine the partying in Venezuela tonight and the next coming days!!!

What an amazing reception he will get when he goes to his country!!! He will be a hero!!!!

Frank Willliams must be a really happy man on his birthday with his team win!

Great race by Kamui!!!!! So fantastic!!!!! 5th place!!!!!

Hammy went from 24 to 8 not so bad after all!!!!

OK let's see the podium ceremony with the champagne and national anthems.

        



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Reply 54, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2102 times:
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YES!!!! 

I'm grinning from ear to ear at the moment. Faaantastic drive from Maldonado. It's been a long time coming for Williams - last win in Brazil 2004 - almost 8 years ago. I'm a very, very happy Williams fan at the moment! 



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Reply 55, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2090 times:

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 53):
Hammy went from 24 to 8 not so bad after all!!!!

And he beat Button!



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Reply 56, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2090 times:

Wow what a strange race ! Happy for Maldonado and Williams (and Renault). Alonso, always there, impressive. Raikko needed one more turn to take him.


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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10887 posts, RR: 37
Reply 57, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2088 times:

I need to see a replay of the Schumi/Senna hit. I was feeling so bad for Schumi. I wonder if he will be penalized for this hitting Bruno Senna and if he will lose some places in Monaco...

          

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Reply 58, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2083 times:

I'm glad a Williams took it, they are one of the teams I have a soft spot for  

User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10887 posts, RR: 37
Reply 59, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2076 times:

Spanish Grand Prix Results

Pos Driver Team Laps Pits

1 Maldonado VEN Williams 66 3
2 Alonso ESP Ferrari 66 3
3 Räikkönen FIN Lotus 66 3
4 Grosjean FL FRA Lotus 66 3
5 Kobayashi JPN Sauber 66 3
6 Vettel GER Red Bull 66 4
7 Rosberg GER Mercedes 66 3
8 Hamilton GBR McLaren 66 2
9 Button GBR McLaren 66 3
10 Hülkenberg GER Force India 65 3
11 Webber AUS Red Bull 65 3
12 Vergne FRA Toro Rosso 65 3
13 Ricciardo AUS Toro Rosso 65 3
14 di Resta GBR Force India 65 3
15 Massa BRA Ferrari 65 4
16 Kovalainen FIN Caterham 65 3
17 Petrov RUS Caterham 65 3
18 Glock GER Marussia 64 3
19 de la Rosa ESP HRT 63 4
Retirement
Perez MEX Sauber 37 3
Pic FRA Marussia 35 3
Karthikeyan IND HRT 22 2
Senna BRA Williams 12 0
Schumacher GER Mercedes 12 1

Could have been a different result at the top if Hammy wasn't stripped from pole... only "if"....

  

This is a very interesting and very different season with 5 wins from 5 different drivers from 5 different teams.

Next one a Sauber I hope!

Yes Please... Monaco!!!!

           

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Reply 60, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2058 times:
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Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 59):
Could have been a different result at the top if Hammy wasn't stripped from pole... only "if"....

Or if McLaren had not broken the rules he might not have been fast enough for pole... admittedly would have been higher up the grid.



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User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6530 posts, RR: 9
Reply 61, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2054 times:

He lacked a couple of liters at most, and was 5 tenth ahead, the pole would have been no trouble.


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User currently offlineMIAspotter From Spain, joined Nov 2001, 2735 posts, RR: 25
Reply 62, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2049 times:

Could not watch the race because I was at work.

But great to hear Maldonado won, first Venezuelan to win a GP! and great to see Alonso and Ferrari up there too and not struggling to scrape points.

5 races, 5 different winners... awesome season so far.

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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10887 posts, RR: 37
Reply 63, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2046 times:

Quoting MIAspotter (Reply 62):
But great to hear Maldonado won, first Venezuelan to win a GP!

Pastor Maldonado will be a hero in Venezuela. He will get a mega-star official national welcome as he will serve as an encourgement for the youth in his home country. He might even bring more sponsors and money to the Wiliams teeam from rich Venezuelans.

Pastor Maldonado Presidente Hugo Chávez Venezuela Caracas Los Próceres F1 Formula One Uno
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxCi7RGeTD4

  



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Reply 64, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2042 times:
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Quoting Aesma (Reply 61):
He lacked a couple of liters at most, and was 5 tenth ahead, the pole would have been no trouble.

Point taken..

My main point he was not stripped of pole, his team threw it away!



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User currently offlineMIAspotter From Spain, joined Nov 2001, 2735 posts, RR: 25
Reply 65, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2023 times:

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 63):
Pastor Maldonado will be a hero in Venezuela.

Sadly this will be taken over politically, saying he is a product of the Bolivarian Revolution yadda yadda yadda... shame.

Anyways, no politics here.

Congratulations Pastor and Forza Ferrari and Alonso!

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User currently offlinemoo From Falkland Islands, joined May 2007, 3868 posts, RR: 5
Reply 66, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2021 times:

Major fire and explosion at Williams F1 garage at the Spanish circuit, at least one mechanic in the medical Center and the hospitality and paddock has been evacuated.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/99589

[Edited 2012-05-13 09:00:19]

User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10887 posts, RR: 37
Reply 67, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2008 times:

Quoting moo (Reply 66):
Major fire and explosion at Williams F1 garage at the Spanish circuit, at least one mechanic in the medical Center and the hospitality and paddock has been evacuated.

Shock as Williams garage explodes in flames
http://thef1times.com/news/display/05984

Video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijtWgoNmbTs&feature=youtu.be

From some of the pictures the Williams garage looks in really bad shape with a lot of destruction. All looking extremely serious.

http://instagr.am/p/KkqwhYgPLl/

This is really dramatic right after the whole team enjoyed their driver Maldonado first pole and GP win and Sir Frank Williams 70th birthday... they have to go through something like this.

Like many I wonder what may have caused such an accident.

Such bad luck for the Williams team. I guess neighboring garages from other teams are also affected.
There's probably a lot of equipment loss.

The party spirit must now be all gone.

I hope all those taken to the medical center will not be too seriously hurt.

 

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Reply 68, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1994 times:
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Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 67):
From some of the pictures the Williams garage looks in really bad shape with a lot of destruction. All looking extremely serious.

http://instagr.am/p/KkqwhYgPLl/

Thanks for the link.

I'd imagine Senna's car (at least) would be written off now. Hope they can build a new one in time for Monaco.

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 67):
I hope all those taken to the medical center will not be too seriously hurt.

Likewise.  



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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10887 posts, RR: 37
Reply 69, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1991 times:

What a horrible way to end the day for the Williams team! Who would ever think of this?

Big flames in the garage with so much black smoke
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2duKPR6Amyg&feature=youtu.be

From F1.com via Twitter
Williams fire: Unconfirmed 9 casualties. 4 from Williams, 4 Caterham, 1 Force India. 1 airlifted to hospital

Photo gallery of fire from Sutton agency
http://www.sutton-images.com/searchresult.asp?search=F13675

So much flammable materials in these garages. Electric, fuel, plastics, composites... This is terribly sad that the Williams Renault team now have to go through this.

 

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Reply 70, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1971 times:

If this indeed KERS based, I wonder what repercussions that will have on the systems continued presence in this season.

User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10887 posts, RR: 37
Reply 71, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1968 times:

Quoting moo (Reply 70):
If this indeed KERS based, I wonder what repercussions that will have on the systems continued presence in this season.

Latest reports say that the garage fire is not KERS related but came from ignited fuel.

This is the Caterham F1 team statement

Caterham F1 Team was involved in a fire that started in the Williams F1 Team's garage after the end of the Spanish Grand Prix.
All the team's employees have been accounted for and four people have been taken to the circuit medical centre for examination; one with a minor hand injury and three with respiratory issues.
A further statement will be issued when more details about the incident are confirmed.
http://hosted-p0.vresp.com/843201/c43c482716/ARCHIVE

I hope all those injured will come out with not too much hurt.

 

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Reply 72, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 1949 times:

Very early to discuss this so I apologise, but a few questions to bank for later discussion - depending on what Williams brought to this race, how does accidental destruction of used engines etc affect allocations for future races? Eg Senna would have been under gearbox and engine usage restrictions, both of which are going to be unusable now, plus any extra engines brought to the race which might have been used at prior races...

I really hope Williams have the financial buffer to withstand this  


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Reply 73, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 1946 times:

Quoting moo (Reply 72):
I really hope Williams have the financial buffer to withstand this

There is plenty of money in F1. Also Renault are not poor. Venezuela are rich they can lend a financial hand without any problem. There is insurance also. Material things can be replaced.

I worry more about those team members and garage attendants who were hurt by fire or smoke inhalation. Waiting to hear about the medical reports.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/99599

Latest:
@PaulLogoAP: 16 injured, 1 serious burn wounds from #Williams fire. Other 10 treated for smoke inhalation at track, but released

 

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User currently offlineGrahamHill From France, joined Mar 2007, 2807 posts, RR: 2
Reply 74, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 1933 times:

Congratulations to Pastor Maldonado, but most importantly congratulations to Williams! It's good to see this legendary team back on winning again!

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 67):
Shock as Williams garage explodes in flames

Thanks for the link. Not the best way to celebrate your first win in 8 years...  
Quoting CXB77L (Reply 68):
I'd imagine Senna's car (at least) would be written off now

Yup, this one is history now.

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 69):
Williams fire: Unconfirmed 9 casualties. 4 from Williams, 4 Caterham, 1 Force India. 1 airlifted to hospital

I hope it's not too serious.



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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10887 posts, RR: 37
Reply 75, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 1940 times:

Look at this slide show from ABC... this is awful what happened today... a true horror scene...

http://www.abc.es/fotos-deportes/201...araje-williams-montmelo-98657.html

If something like this was to happen in Monaco the casualties would be multiplied by 10 due to the lack of space... F1 can be really dangerous... Fuel... electrics... a tenth of a second and it all goes...

Look at race winner Pastor Maldonado helping someone escape the fire carrying him piggyback...
http://twitpic.com/9kq3wa

Lucky no one got killed

 

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Reply 76, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1927 times:
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Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 75):

If Madonado wasn't enough of a hero today this picture will make everyone love him! I hope everyone recovers ok for Monaco.

Fred


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Reply 77, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1916 times:

Schumacher to get 5 place grid drop at Monaco for running into the back of Senna.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/99598


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Reply 78, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1888 times:
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Quoting moo (Reply 77):
Schumacher to get 5 place grid drop at Monaco for running into the back of Senna.

I'm surprised, because Schumacher said it was Senna's fault that he drove into the back of him!   



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User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17052 posts, RR: 10
Reply 79, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 1882 times:

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 75):
Look at this slide show from ABC... this is awful what happened today... a true horror scene...

Wow, that is just terrible. It could have ended much worse though.



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Reply 80, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 1809 times:

Another interesting finish. Different driver again. A controversial crash. Then the fire.

A report on Fox sports new here (they own Speed Channel that with Fox covers most F1 races for the USA market), that it occurred during a procedure to drain the fuel from the car after the race. Either the procedure was not properly done or has a flaw or there was a mechanical/electrical failure in the equipment used. So far no fatalities, 1 serious injury, some minor ones and some equipment damaged. The picture shown of Maldonado carrying out someone was captoned in the Fox Sports article as being a cousin of his.I suspect this week the F1 authorities will do an investigation as to what happend, why and how to reduce a risk of another such incident, especially for Monaco.

The Schumi-Senna crash (which I saw) will be a lovely bit of controversy for F1 fan for the next month or so. I also hope h the F1 authorities will review the situation and if necessary, adjust penalties. Maybe it violated rules, maybe it was just hard driving. There were also a number of botched pit stops which hurt some drivers positions. Maybe they need some help from our IndyCar and NASCAR pit crews to get their acts together.

On May 27th, we in the USA have a car racing marathon all covered live on TV here totaling about 1300 miles (2100 Kms). The crown jewel of F1 - Monaco in the morning here. Then the Indy 500 race in the afternoon and in the late afternoon into the evening, the NASCAR Sprint Cup race of 600 miles, their longest race. Should be an interesting weekend.


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Reply 81, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 1795 times:
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Quoting moo (Reply 72):
how does accidental destruction of used engines etc affect allocations for future races?

There's been no precedent set for matters such as this, but unfortunately, I'd imagine the accidental destruction of one engine would count, leaving Williams essentially one engine short for the remainder of the season.



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Reply 82, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 1790 times:
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Quoting moo (Reply 72):
how does accidental destruction of used engines etc affect allocations for future races?

I would expect that the FIA would accept a "force majeure" in this case and allow for the replacement of destroyed components. (unlike McLaren's comical farce majeure claim on Saturday)

Senna's gearbox was likely eligible for replacement in any case see as it had a Mercedes nose cone buried in it!

Quoting moo (Reply 72):
I really hope Williams have the financial buffer to withstand this

The budget of an F1 team even a relatively modest one like Williams would make most of our eyes water, only a very small percentage of that investment ever gets near a race track, I would say the damage, whilst serious and expensive by most standards is likely only a drop in the bucket for them. In years past the most serious loss(apart from the obvious human cost) would be loss of data, but I would assume Williams F1 like most teams would be transmitting this live back to the factory

Quoting moo (Reply 77):
Schumacher to get 5 place grid drop

Only 5? after what this serial offender was reported to have done in practice he should be shown the door and have his Super Licence shredded.. he is looking and sounding increasingly like an embittered old has been.

On a separate note (but still McLaren & Williams) has anyone noticed the connection between a resurgent Williams and an increasingly inept McLaren??]

[Edited 2012-05-13 20:50:02]


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User currently offlineBill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8439 posts, RR: 8
Reply 83, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1739 times:

Quoting stealthz (Reply 82):
On a separate note (but still McLaren & Williams) has anyone noticed the connection between a resurgent Williams and an increasingly inept McLaren??]

Mike Coughlan or Sam Michael?

Quoting stealthz (Reply 82):
Only 5? after what this serial offender was reported to have done in practice he should be shown the door and have his Super Licence shredded.. he is looking and sounding increasingly like an embittered old has been.

If only Toyota were still in F1 and he was driving for them. Wouldn't make a good brand image.


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Reply 84, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1725 times:
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Quoting Bill142 (Reply 83):
Mike Coughlan or Sam Michael?

Kind of a double whammy...

Never been a great fan of Coughlan but there is no real doubt about his engineering management skills, can't really say McLaren have improved all that much since he left.

Michael, from what I have read a fine engineer but one that has likely been promoted(at Williams)and hired(at McLaren) beyond his level of expertise.



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Reply 85, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 1701 times:

Quoting stealthz (Reply 82):
after what this serial offender was reported to have done in practice he should be shown the door and have his Super Licence shredded.. he is looking and sounding increasingly like an embittered old has been.

hahaha! Well put mate.
He is not sounding like an embittered old has been, he is one!
Kimi has probably wrapped up more points in 5 races then Schumi has managed in the 2 last years.



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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10887 posts, RR: 37
Reply 86, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 1698 times:

FIA Statement confirms 31 were treated after the fire in the Williams garage. 7 hospitalised. It was great to see all the teams working together to help. Thoughts with everyone involved.

 

Spanish GP winner Pastor Maldonado is not shy about the financial sponsorship he gets from Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez.

Millionaire man Maldonado answers critics
To his credit, Maldonado does not seek to hide the financial support he is given, nor the fact that he is basically a state-sponsored driver who has the personal backing of his President, Hugo Chavez. In fact, he embraces it.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/andrewben...aldonados_maiden_victory_over.html

Quoting flipdewaf (Reply 76):
If Madonado wasn't enough of a hero today this picture will make everyone love him! I hope everyone recovers ok for Monaco.

He was the hero of the day and he did what he had to do helping out rescuing his own people in his team's garage fire. I am sure others did the same only they did not get caught on picture. Wouldn't we all make sure others would be out of danger before escaping the place? It's the first thought that would come to my mind.

Good for Pastor Maldonado showing that he is conscious of others in danger situations.

  



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User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10654 posts, RR: 9
Reply 87, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 1689 times:

All the big news aside I wonder again how much longer Ferrari will be bearing the intolerable bad performances of their second driver. A mere shadow of his former self, Massa is a burden for his team and directly damaging the business by being largely responsible for the teams current 4th place in the team table. Alonso might be better than his car, but I am sure Massas results are much worse than his car could perform.

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Reply 88, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 1683 times:
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Quoting sudden (Reply 85):
Kimi has probably wrapped up more points in 5 races then Schumi has managed in the 2 last years.

Not quite, MS has earned 150 points in 2 1/4 full seasons whereas KR has 49 from 5 races.
The telling point is 2012 where MS has 2 points from 5 races compared to his teammate's 41 and in what was considered to be a leading car, KR has 49 from 5 races in a car that was considered to be quick on a good day but not a "A" team... but then not many were expecting a Williams win at this point!



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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10887 posts, RR: 37
Reply 89, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 1651 times:

Quoting na (Reply 87):
how much longer Ferrari will be bearing the intolerable bad performances of their second driver.

He has a contract til the end of the 2012 season I suppose. Can Ferrari F1 terminate his contract before the end of the season? They would have to pay him a substantial sum if they did that so I doubt we will see him leaving the team before the season is over.

This is all up to Luca di Montezemolo to decide if I am right? Wouldn't he have the last word on it?

Who would take Felipe Massa's place if the contract is terminated? The Ferrari third driver?

    



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Reply 90, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 1645 times:
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Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 89):
He has a contract til the end of the 2012 season I suppose. Can Ferrari F1 terminate his contract before the end of the season?

His management would have seen how the ruthless Scuderia management style pushed MS then KR out and I would assume they have built in some cosy protection clauses into his recent contract negotiations.

I am sure they can get out of the contract(one can get out of any contract...) but at what price.



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User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10654 posts, RR: 9
Reply 91, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 1644 times:

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 89):
He has a contract til the end of the 2012 season I suppose. Can Ferrari F1 terminate his contract before the end of the season? They would have to pay him a substantial sum if they did that so I doubt we will see him leaving the team before the season is over.

This is all up to Luca di Montezemolo to decide if I am right? Wouldn't he have the last word on it?

Who would take Felipe Massa's place if the contract is terminated? The Ferrari third driver?

Massas performance is so bad it should be easy to fire him even without paying a very large sum. Any judge must be able to see that.


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Reply 92, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 1635 times:
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Quoting stealthz (Reply 90):
but at what price.

On his performance of late.. I think any price would be worth it!

Maybe there is a deeper problem, given the SF treatment of drivers of late, both #1 & 2, perhaps there is not the queue of hopefuls beating on the door at Marenello as one might think. Maybe no one wants to take the gig on!!

Perhaps rising young stars like Perez, Riciardio etc are willing to bide their time and come in as a #1 rather than be cannon fodder to the Alonso machine!



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User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10654 posts, RR: 9
Reply 93, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 1615 times:

Quoting stealthz (Reply 92):
Perhaps rising young stars like Perez, Riciardio etc are willing to bide their time and come in as a #1 rather than be cannon fodder to the Alonso machine!

Thats certainly the reason why no top driver is eager to jump into a red car at the moment. I think Alonso is the best driver in the field. Anyone joining him can only be no.2. But still it would be a great seat for a young talent who can afford to wait two years before someone expects him to beat the Spaniard. In any case, Massa´s performance is a disgrace for Maranello since much more than a year, clear to see that he lost his talent, his nerve in the crash in 2009. I think Ferrari has been honest, truthful and fair to him more than anyone should expect.


User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10887 posts, RR: 37
Reply 94, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 1618 times:

Quoting stealthz (Reply 92):
Perhaps rising young stars like Perez, Riciardio etc are willing to bide their time and come in as a #1 rather than be cannon fodder to the Alonso machine!

Alonso is absolutely unforgiving to Felipe Massa - I don't see how I could blame him for it - but it will be even more unforgiving if he gets one of the young blood as team mate.

I think the "Alonso machine" is a perfect description of the car/driver duet. They are like a married couple, the man is definitely married to his machine.

I am sure there must be a long line of newer generation F1 drivers willing to take Massa's place. The line must be long. Not so much for the car as it is now but for the prestige of belonging to the Red team with the Cavallino. Pastor Maldonado could very well be one of them.

  



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User currently offlinemoo From Falkland Islands, joined May 2007, 3868 posts, RR: 5
Reply 95, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 1594 times:

http://i.imgur.com/3mISk.jpg

Ooops...


User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6530 posts, RR: 9
Reply 96, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 1576 times:

moo : wow, I can't see anything about this in the news, did you notice it yourself ?


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User currently offlinemoo From Falkland Islands, joined May 2007, 3868 posts, RR: 5
Reply 97, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 1570 times:

Yup I did, but that's not my screenshot - I think it's Vergne and he seems to have got away with it, nothing coming from the stewards.

User currently offlineGrahamHill From France, joined Mar 2007, 2807 posts, RR: 2
Reply 98, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 1562 times:

Quoting stealthz (Reply 88):
Not quite, MS has earned 150 points in 2 1/4 full seasons whereas KR has 49 from 5 races

If Kimi keeps his current pace, he'll have as much points in 15 races than Schumi in 2.5 years.

Quoting stealthz (Reply 88):
The telling point is 2012 where MS has 2 points from 5 races compared to his teammate's 41

Yep, that's the most worrying. I mean, with all respect I have for a 7-time world champion, when your time is done...

Quoting moo (Reply 95):
Ooops...

What the hell?? How come nobody noticed!

[Edited 2012-05-14 08:14:10]


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User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17052 posts, RR: 10
Reply 99, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 1562 times:

Quoting moo (Reply 95):

The commentators pointed out that during the race. Either he got away with it or somehow the yellow marking fell off.



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User currently offlinemoo From Falkland Islands, joined May 2007, 3868 posts, RR: 5
Reply 100, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 1549 times:

Quoting B747forever (Reply 99):
Either he got away with it or somehow the yellow marking fell off.

Its a paint on the tyre, it won't fall off  


User currently offlineflipdewaf From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2006, 1562 posts, RR: 1
Reply 101, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 1544 times:
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Quoting moo (Reply 100):
Its a paint on the tyre, it won't fall off

I Assume he will be sent to the back of the grid at the next race for this.

Fred


User currently offlinesudden From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 4130 posts, RR: 6
Reply 102, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 1540 times:

Quoting stealthz (Reply 88):
Not quite, MS has earned 150 points in 2 1/4 full seasons whereas KR has 49 from 5 races.
The telling point is 2012 where MS has 2 points from 5 races compared to his teammate's 41 and in what was considered to be a leading car, KR has 49 from 5 races in a car that was considered to be quick on a good day but not a "A" team... but then not many were expecting a Williams win at this point!

I was putting it to the extreme, but still.  
Schumi is pulling one stunt after the other that makes no sense. And compared to Kimi he is nothing. He blames Pirelli for supplying bad tires. Strange that the rest of the grid is able to manage their tires. Although it is harder to to keep the degradation in hand then earlier. Schumi if anyone should be able to manage.

Quoting na (Reply 91):
Massas performance is so bad it should be easy to fire him even without paying a very large sum. Any judge must be able to see that.

If even if they buy him out they will still win in the long run cause the way things are going now Ferrari is not really making their name shine.



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User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17052 posts, RR: 10
Reply 103, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 1535 times:

Quoting moo (Reply 100):

Its a paint on the tyre, it won't fall off

Okay. Thought it was some kind of sticker.



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User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10654 posts, RR: 9
Reply 104, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 1529 times:

Quoting moo (Reply 95):

Different tyres front and rear, or what?

Quoting sudden (Reply 102):
the way things are going now Ferrari is not really making their name shine.

Beside Massa, in which way? I think Red Bull´s and McLarens results are worse so far looking at their cars initial performance. One win and one second, and co-leader with Vettel in the current standings after 5 races isnt that bad for an so-far inferior Ferrari.


User currently offlinemoo From Falkland Islands, joined May 2007, 3868 posts, RR: 5
Reply 105, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 1530 times:

Quoting na (Reply 104):
Different tyres front and rear, or what?

Yup, went out on hards on the rear, softs on the front.


User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10654 posts, RR: 9
Reply 106, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 1528 times:

Quoting moo (Reply 105):
Yup, went out on hards on the rear, softs on the front.

That cant go without consequences. 5 places penalty on the grid next time, or will he be punished like Hamilton?


User currently offlinemoo From Falkland Islands, joined May 2007, 3868 posts, RR: 5
Reply 107, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 1517 times:

Nothing's been said by the stewards, so no penalty.

User currently offlinecybergus From Venezuela, joined Mar 2006, 507 posts, RR: 9
Reply 108, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 1466 times:

In Venezuela people still can't believe it...but we did. We won our first GP and it is like madness the celebration down there. This victory for Pastor and the Williams team unified a country for one day disregarding the political orientation. So proud of my country, so proud of Pastor and so proud of the product we send out there. Venezuelans can!

Cheers

Tavo



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User currently offlinestealthz From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5678 posts, RR: 45
Reply 109, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 1432 times:
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Quoting moo (Reply 105):
Yup, went out on hards on the rear, softs on the front.

Hard on the left rear .. if you follow the shot around the corner he has softs on right rear.

Wonder if he had a tyre rubbing episode with someone and scuffed the paint off..



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User currently offlinemoo From Falkland Islands, joined May 2007, 3868 posts, RR: 5
Reply 110, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 1429 times:

Quoting stealthz (Reply 109):

And it's just a coincidence that scuffed yellow paint looks like the silver paint of the prime tyre?  

In other news, Ferrari has said in a public statement that Massa must improve immediately, as of the Monaco GP.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/18067284


User currently offlinestealthz From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5678 posts, RR: 45
Reply 111, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 1416 times:
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Quoting moo (Reply 110):
And it's just a coincidence that scuffed yellow paint looks like the silver paint of the prime tyre?

I was actually going to add I didn't believe that scenario myself.. hit the post button instead of edit then got distracted!



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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10887 posts, RR: 37
Reply 112, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1374 times:

Quoting cybergus (Reply 108):
This victory for Pastor and the Williams team unified a country for one day disregarding the political orientation.

How can you disregard an evil dictator?

The man twitted proudly about Pastor Maldonado ending his tweet by "we will win". This sounds much like double meaning to me.

Pole
Hugo Chávez Frías ‏ @chavezcandanga
Ese Pastor Maldonado! Felicitaciones Campeón, por esa merecida 'pole position'! Y suerte en la carrera de mañana! Viva Venezuela!

Race victory
Hugo Chávez Frías ‏ @chavezcandanga
Te lo dije: ganó nuestro Pastor Maldonado, haciendo historia! Bravo Pastor! Felicitaciones a ti y a todo tu combativo equipo! Venceremos!

http://twitter.com/#!/chavezcandanga

So much screaming about Bahrain rulers not so much about Chavez close ties with the race winner.

  



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User currently offlinemoo From Falkland Islands, joined May 2007, 3868 posts, RR: 5
Reply 113, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1370 times:

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 112):
How can you disregard an evil dictator?

Because its got nothing to do with the sport? Who backs Maldonado is his business.


User currently offlineCXB77L From Australia, joined Feb 2009, 2597 posts, RR: 5
Reply 114, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1369 times:
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Quoting moo (Reply 113):
Because its got nothing to do with the sport?

  

I couldn't agree more. Sport and politics should never, ever mix. Hell, you get North Korea and South Korea playing football in the world cup. When the players are out there on the field, politics takes a back seat, as it rightly should.

I honestly couldn't care less where the money for Maldonado's ride comes from. All I care about is that the money is helping my beloved Williams team rebuild themselves back to their former glory.



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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10887 posts, RR: 37
Reply 115, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1370 times:

Quoting CXB77L (Reply 114):
Hell, you get North Korea and South Korea playing football in the world cup.

This is true, and Iran and other dictatorships teams too. It's just that I don't like it when they use their brilliant sportsmen (women) to boost their own ruling's publicity.

 



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User currently offlinemoo From Falkland Islands, joined May 2007, 3868 posts, RR: 5
Reply 116, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 1362 times:

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 115):
This is true, and Iran and other dictatorships teams too. It's just that I don't like it when they use their brilliant sportsmen (women) to boost their own ruling's publicity.

And Italian politicians don't use Ferraris status to their own end?

I've seen Alonso with many a spanish politician.

Both Schumacher and Vettel have been vaunted and celebrated by various German leaders.

Look at the rubbish about Hamilton and Button being essentially told not to race by Labour, and the British PM saying "its not our position to tell them to race or not."

It happens. A lot.


User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10654 posts, RR: 9
Reply 117, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 1354 times:

Quoting CXB77L (Reply 114):
I honestly couldn't care less where the money for Maldonado's ride comes from.

What? So you wouldnt care if he is backed by a gang of criminals, Neonazis or other terrorism-supporters? Strange opinion that is.
There is nothing wrong if democratic politicians support sportsmen, but there is something wrong if this politician is a criminal.


User currently offlinemoo From Falkland Islands, joined May 2007, 3868 posts, RR: 5
Reply 118, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 1346 times:

Quoting na (Reply 117):
There is nothing wrong if democratic politicians support sportsmen, but there is something wrong if this politician is a criminal.

Be *very* careful where you tread with statements like that, for one mans criminal is another mans saint (not saying it specifically in relation to Chavez, just in general).

Being "democratic" does not automatically make you a good person.


User currently offlineGrahamHill From France, joined Mar 2007, 2807 posts, RR: 2
Reply 119, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 1344 times:

Quoting moo (Reply 118):
Be *very* careful where you tread with statements like that, for one mans criminal is another mans saint (not saying it specifically in relation to Chavez, just in general).

Being "democratic" does not automatically make you a good person.

Ok, but there is a difference between being supported by the President of France or the Prime Minister of Great-Britain, and being supported by Chavez or Kim Jong-un...



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User currently offlinemoo From Falkland Islands, joined May 2007, 3868 posts, RR: 5
Reply 120, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 1344 times:

Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 119):
Ok, but there is a difference between being supported by the President of France or the Prime Minister of Great-Britain, and being supported by Chavez or Kim Jong-un...

Some Algerians might take issue with the President of France, and some Basque region dwellers might take issue with King Juan Carlos etc etc.

Theres always someone that can take issue with someone else.

And while Chavez has a lot of bark, I haven't seen him bite yet...


User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10654 posts, RR: 9
Reply 121, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 1340 times:

Quoting moo (Reply 118):
Be *very* careful where you tread with statements like that, for one mans criminal is another mans saint (not saying it specifically in relation to Chavez, just in general).

Well, I think one can objectively say that someone who oppresses opposition by force or even kills democratic opponents cant be a saint, and the one who thinks he´s a saint I dont care for.


User currently offlinemoo From Falkland Islands, joined May 2007, 3868 posts, RR: 5
Reply 122, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 1335 times:

Quoting na (Reply 121):
Well, I think one can objectively say that someone who oppresses opposition by force or even kills democratic opponents cant be a saint, and the one who thinks he´s a saint I dont care for.

And yet you miss the point...


User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10887 posts, RR: 37
Reply 123, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 1338 times:

Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 119):

Ok, but there is a difference between being supported by the President of France or the Prime Minister of Great-Britain, and being supported by Chavez or Kim Jong-un...

Pastor Maldonado is certainly not shy about his personal relationship with Hugo Chavez.

Millionaire man Maldonado answers critics
To his credit, Maldonado does not seek to hide the financial support he is given, nor the fact that he is basically a state-sponsored driver who has the personal backing of his President, Hugo Chavez. In fact, he embraces it.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/andrewben...aldonados_maiden_victory_over.html

Pastor Maldonado Presidente Hugo Chávez Venezuela Caracas Los Próceres F1 Formula One Uno
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxCi7RGeTD4

 Wow!



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User currently offlineAcheron From Spain, joined Sep 2005, 1595 posts, RR: 2
Reply 124, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 1308 times:

Quoting na (Reply 121):
Well, I think one can objectively say that someone who oppresses opposition by force or even kills democratic opponents cant be a saint

Yeah, He has killed plenty of opposition members, lol.  

Anyway, nice way to hijack and derail the thread, as usual.


User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10887 posts, RR: 37
Reply 125, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 1306 times:

Quoting Acheron (Reply 124):
Anyway, nice way to hijack and derail the thread, as usual.

Not really as he is one of the sponsors for the F1 driver who has just won the Spanish Grand Prix.



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