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User currently offlineA318 From Bahamas, joined Jan 2008, 245 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 1168 times:

What are you experiences with moving to another country? Have you ever just packed up & moved to a different country? My lease is up in July and like the thought of something new. I've been living in New York City for five years and feel like it is time for a change.


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User currently offlinehomsar From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 1107 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 1140 times:

I guess the first question is, are you just a US citizen, or do you have dual-citizenship somewhere? (Despite your Bahamas flag, I'm making the assumption that you're a US citizen as otherwise you'd already have some experience with moving to another country.)

The answer really depends on what country you want to move to. You have to research their immigration laws and determine what kind of application process you need to follow. It's not as simple as showing up at the border and when the customs/immigration agent asks about the nature of your visit, you say "I plan to move here."

In some countries, it's easier to get allowed to move in if you have a job arranged before your arrival (they don't want you showing up and living there unemployed, and just living off of the social service programs they have). In some countries, getting a job requires special permits, and you have to be in certain fields where workers are in demand (such that they are unable to fill those jobs with people from within the country).

Sometimes, that process can take years. It's not the kind of decision one takes lightly.



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User currently offlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8711 posts, RR: 24
Reply 2, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 1139 times:

Quoting A318 (Thread starter):

What are you experiences with moving to another country? Have you ever just packed up & moved to a different country? My lease is up in July and like the thought of something new. I've been living in New York City for five years and feel like it is time for a change.

I've moved several times to and from the US, Switzerland, France, UK, Germany, Holland, India, Poland. Some of it was for work, but a couple of times it was me packing everything up and moving because I felt I would find a better life elsewhere.

Good luck, but remember it is always easier to find a job when you already have one.



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User currently offlineWestJet747 From Canada, joined Aug 2011, 1788 posts, RR: 10
Reply 3, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 1136 times:

Quoting A318 (Thread starter):
What are you experiences with moving to another country?

The best time of my life. No question about it.

Towards the end of my second year in university I had realized that doing an exchange was a popular route for most of the people in my program. That, and many of my friends in my program were going abroad, so why not join them?

I ultimately decided to apply to schools in England, Sweden, and Australia. I was accepted into all and quickly decided on the University of South Australia in Adelaide. This happened about 5 months before I was supposed to leave so I had quite a bit of preparation time. In that time I booked my tickets, found an amazing apartment (that hadn't even been built yet), registered for courses, and secured a bit of extra funding for the move. Because of this I didn't have to worry about work, which is a major point I have to stress. If you don't have enough money to live for at least 6 months without work, then I wouldn't suggest doing it.

To keep a very long story short, living in another country was the best 5 months of my life. Homesickness did hit me for a while, but Skype really helped me overcome that. You'll also meet some great people who will make it easy being somewhere new. Travelling on weekends and weeks off certainly helped keep things fresh and interesting.

Just remember to make the most of every minute.  
Quoting A318 (Thread starter):
Have you ever just packed up & moved to a different country?

As I mentioned, I had a good amount of time to prepare. But I graduate in less than a year (after a long 5-year program) so I plan to leave Canada for a bit before I settle into a new career, so I hope to benefit from this thread as much as you do  



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User currently offlinetexan From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 4265 posts, RR: 52
Reply 4, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 1097 times:

Quoting A318 (Thread starter):
What are you experiences with moving to another country? Have you ever just packed up & moved to a different country?

Great experience and one of the best decisions I've made. Gained a ton of knowledge, living in one of the coolest places in the world, getting family and friends to try long haul travel, meeting and befriending many new people. Moved here almost 18 months ago and love it. I did it with a job offer, but my plane left Dallas less than two weeks after I accepted the offer.

Texan



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User currently offlinecainanuk From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2002, 550 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 928 times:

Moved to the UK from USA 10 years ago to settle there with my (then) new wife, who happened to be British. Truthfully, I don't miss America at all.


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User currently offlinePPVRA From Brazil, joined Nov 2004, 8876 posts, RR: 40
Reply 6, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 916 times:

Leaving everything behind can be tough, but the positives far outweigh the negatives. At the very least it's going to be a learning experience worth having, especially if you move to a country of different culture - i.e., not just a change in the backyard.

I highly recommend it.



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User currently offlinejetblue777 From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 1443 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 886 times:

Quoting A318 (Thread starter):
I've been living in New York City for five years and feel like it is time for a change.

I've been living in New York City for almost five years and I love it here.

My family moved to the United States when I was 12 years old and I'm turning 17 next month.

When we first came to New York, it was the first day of winter and I was seriously shocked how cold it was! I entered junior high (6th Grade) in the middle of the year, and as an immigrant with an accent, I'm short for my height and I was the new kid in the school, I never felt so lonely and depressed. My grades were obviously horrible since I wasn't used to the curriculum. I was reluctant to interact with other people, and had no friends. I really wanted to go back home to the Philippines with all of my friends, grandparents...my old life. It was one of the saddest moments in my life, when I was this 12-year old boy looking outside the window with the dark gloomy sky, no one to talk to, I walked in the school hallways alone, sat in the cafeteria alone, and the fact that I wasn't only a stranger in the school but I was a stranger in the whole nation as well. It wasn't until the end of 7th grade that I started making new friends. By the end of 8th grade, I had people that I consider "best friends" and despite going to different high schools, we're still in-contact and are pretty much close to each other.

High School has been a terrific experience, and overall, I saw myself grow us a person in many ways. I used to be quiet and unsocial. Today, I'm probably one of the loudest (in a good way) and most social people in most of my classes. I'm involved in many extracurricular activities and Advanced Classes (Key Club Editor, Debate, AP World History, AP English Language, Honors Physics, National Honor Society, etc) I'm looking forward to my Junior and Senior years in high school, and then college!

It's funny how, just 4 years ago, I wanted to go back to the Philippines because I felt so lonely here in the US. Now, when my mom asks me if I want to go home to go to college there, I would say "HECK NO!" But I still love my home country, though I can't imagine myself living anywhere else than New York City.

jetBlue777



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User currently offlinekiwiinoz From New Zealand, joined Oct 2005, 2165 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 880 times:

I have spent really all of my life living in "other countries" and I love it. Not each one has been a great experience but the collective view of the world has been fantastic.

I definitely think it's time for a change now as I have been 7 years in one spot.

For me, I still find something special about being home in NZ and as I get older I yearn for it more. But I am still young and there is plenty to see before I go back!!


User currently offlineArrow From Canada, joined Jun 2002, 2675 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 872 times:
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If you are a US citizen (or even a green card holder) -- and you plan to return to the US someday, make sure you file annually with the IRS and file annual FBARs with the state department. A good tax lawyer can fill you in on the details. For the most part, you won't pay double tax -- but get good professional advice because there are a zillion ways you can inadvertently run afoul of the IRS and end up paying megabucks in penalties. If you don't ever plan to return to the US, I'd recommend renouncing (or, if you hold a green card, formally surrendering it.) The IRS will never let you go, otherwise.

And watch out for this: The US wants foreign banks to tell the IRS who all their American account holders are. Those banks are not happy because that's a tonne of work (and it violates their home country's privacy laws) and they don't want to do it. Quite a number of foreign banks have told their US account holders they will close out their accounts, and many more won't open an account for you if you are an American. Go look at the American Citizens Abroad website, there's a whole lot of detailed info about this. It is not pretty.

If you have no connection to the US -- relax and enjoy, you can go anywhere you want. The US is the only country in the world that taxes its expatriates on their worldwide income no matter where they live. All other countries tax you based on residence -- not citizenship.



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User currently offlinefridgmus From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 1441 posts, RR: 11
Reply 10, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 844 times:
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Good Luck A318!

I'd like to suggest that once you decide where you want to live, you engage the services of an Immigration Lawyer in that country. Yes, they'll cost you a few bucks, but they tend to know the law quite well and how to do all the paperwork that needs to be done and yes, there will be a lot of it!

I myself want to move to Australia and a lawyer in Melbourne has kindly given me some good advice (for free!!!). I've talked to a few Americans living there and they all used the services of an Immigration Lawyer.

Good luck and let us know what happens,

F



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User currently offlineYVRLTN From Canada, joined Oct 2006, 2348 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 813 times:

Quoting fridgmus (Reply 10):
engage the services of an Immigration Lawyer in that country

Excellent advise.

Quoting A318 (Thread starter):
What are you experiences with moving to another country?

I moved from the UK to Canada - there have been similar threads in this forum, have a look at them, I for one have posted my experiences and covered a lot of negative things you rarely think of. Overall it has been a great thing and I am very happy in YVR, but as family get older and so on, I do wonder about the future.

Long story short, I guess I was still pretty young and inexperienced with mortgages and the like, so when I moved and while I had a job as an inter company transfer and my company looked after (and paid for - key!!) the immigration & move, the financial burden was still pretty heavy and its only after 5-6 years we are really comfortably off.

The biggest thing is credit history - it doesnt matter how much money you have in the bank, unless you have enough to buy things outright in cash, good luck getting a mortgage, lease or any type of HP without credit history. Personally, I was not interested throwing my money away in rent and paying someone elses mortgage.

In Canada, while they were pretty welcoming towards immigrants until very recently, they are really clamping down and really you are only welcome if you will contribute something to the economy ie you have some skills not available or in short demand in the local market - basically they dont want you to displace a local job. The exceptions are of course for genuine asylum seekers but I would not be surprised with high unemployment in many countries this would be the case in many places.

Bordeom or need for change is one thing, but often the grass isnt greener elsewhere unless you are moving for a specific opportunity as I did.



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User currently offlineStarAC17 From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 3335 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 779 times:

Quoting fridgmus (Reply 10):
I myself want to move to Australia and a lawyer in Melbourne has kindly given me some good advice (for free!!!). I've talked to a few Americans living there and they all used the services of an Immigration Lawyer.

You are of the age that it will cost you points but if you have a skill and I'm sure you have the experience you shouldn't have an issue.

Skilled workers are in demand in Australia though, which you probably know.

Quoting YVRLTN (Reply 11):
In Canada, while they were pretty welcoming towards immigrants until very recently, they are really clamping down and really you are only welcome if you will contribute something to the economy ie you have some skills not available or in short demand in the local market - basically they dont want you to displace a local job.

I don't think that is Canada but all countries, what can you have of use to us which is perfectly fair.

What Canada needs to do better (they are not alone in this) is to get doctors and other skilled workers from some countries up to speed a lot faster with Canadian standards. If you have to repeat a skilled program it is for the most part a waste of time and money and their should be a work study option available for differences between how countries do things.
Most people entering are not idiots and don't need to go back to school for another 4 years upon arrival, if they are working and it is determined that they are not up to speed then send them back to school.

The talking heads on the Radio are usually the most anti-immigrant to get people to listen I found (especially in Toronto). But the general population is fairly neutral to immigrants I have found.



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User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6114 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 763 times:

I'll see a cousin of mine Saturday that just moved to Canada 9 months ago, I'll ask him how it's going (I think he's still there as a tourist). I'm thinking about doing that myself, but not to Québec, rather to an English speaking province (or country). There is also the option of moving far from home but in the same country, for me, Réunion island, the Carribean or Polynesia.

Quoting YVRLTN (Reply 11):
The biggest thing is credit history - it doesnt matter how much money you have in the bank, unless you have enough to buy things outright in cash, good luck getting a mortgage, lease or any type of HP without credit history.

Having no credit history is worse than having a bad one ?



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User currently offlinePs76 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 760 times:

Hi!

Have you thought about joining the Peace Corps maybe? You get to live and work somewhere for a few years I think and you can pick pretty much anywhere. I spent 9 months working on a UK placement in a country called Vanuatu in the South Pacific and there were quite a few Peace Corps guys there. It was a good time.

Might be your thing or maybe not but just thought I'd mention it.

Good luck with whatever you decide to do,

Pierre


User currently offlineAirPacific747 From Denmark, joined May 2008, 2315 posts, RR: 21
Reply 15, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 718 times:

Have spent 1 year in Canada and I am now spending half my time in Ukraine.. so yeah.. I wouldn't say that it has been fantastic, but it is an eyeopener and it educates you a lot on how other countries work.

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