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F1 2012: Monaco Grand Prix  
User currently offlinestealthz From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5697 posts, RR: 44
Posted (2 years 4 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 4915 times:
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With less than 1 week until FP1 in Monaco it is perhaps time to start the official 2012 Monaco Grand Prix thread-

First some important housekeeping-

Many will have noticed the Spanish GP thread was locked and discussion about one of the more interesting Grand Prix in recent times was prematurely halted.

By any measure the thread had become badly derailed and was seriously off topic.

I have had correspondence with the Moderators about this, initially to try and get the overly political posts deleted and the thread reinstated.
That this did not happen is of little consequence due to the topical nature of such threads.

The moderators have agreed to me starting the Monaco thread along with a warning on content.

Our sport is by it’s very nature often a political beast, it always has been, certainly at times, a very nationalistic one as illustrated by the national racing colours of the pre commercial era.
That the sport becomes politicised is a given and happened most memorably during the middle thirties.
This situation is not going to change and we will see races held(or not) and drivers supported for lots of reasons that may not appeal to the purist in many of us.

Statements like driver x is supported by the government or team Y is partly owned by a state company of country Z are acceptable. Discussions about the politics, regimes or acts of those governments are not .
Nor will discussions about the politics of any governments whether they be about Chavez, Pol Pot or Obama and Cameron be allowed, there are threads that cover those topics. If you feel such discussion is lacking feel free to start a thread about it.

If a govt decision directly impacts the racing i.e "Monegasque leadership cancels the Grand Prix in favour of table tennis tournament", then that is relevant can form part of the discussion.

The above is a long winded way of saying, we are all grown ups here and know how to act, we know where the line is, it is up to us not to cross it.

Now to the racing-

Tyres remain controversial with some drivers and teams openly criticising them, one team owner criticising them while lauding the interesting racing we have experienced.

5 winners from 5 races, will Monaco make it 6 for 6?

Cheers

Chris


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User currently offlinemoo From Falkland Islands, joined May 2007, 3948 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (2 years 4 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 4899 times:

Quoting stealthz (Thread starter):
Tyres remain controversial with some drivers and teams openly criticising them, one team owner criticising them while lauding the interesting racing we have experienced.

The tyres are what they are - an integral third party mandatory system - so drivers should just shut up and get on with it.

It is interesting how some drivers seem to be getting the job done, while others just resort to complaining about the tyres.


User currently offlineBlueElephant From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2006, 1813 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (2 years 4 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 4888 times:

Monaco! my favorite race of the year.

The thing i like about this track, is understanding just how narrow the streets are. Over the next few days - I will post some pictures to give you an idea of what the streets look like on a normal day.

It's pretty shocking when you think they're driving around at 200kph around theses streets.


User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10898 posts, RR: 37
Reply 3, posted (2 years 4 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 4864 times:

I was going to start a thread as this is my local race but I see it's already been done so thank you for opening the thread.

We have had a lot of rain and storms lately - some violent hail and thunder storms even with ferocious winds. I would not be surprised if we had rain on race day Sunday next week. I am planning on it as the weather's been quite hectic and much cooler than usual this time of the year.

I went around some parts of the track yesterday afternoon as the weather was windy and cool yet decent.

Some of yesterday's pictures:

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I am looking forward to seeing the big trucks bringing the motorhomes and all the heavy equipment. The same with the gigantic Red Bull barge which is being towed by tugs all the way from Italy and then setting up the motorhomes and al the action in and around the garages and motorhomes.

This is Monaco's most exciting week of the year along with the Monaco International Yacht Show.

Let the party begin!

                 



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User currently offlineSuperCaravelle From Netherlands, joined Jan 2012, 237 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (2 years 4 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 4825 times:

Quoting stealthz (Thread starter):
5 winners from 5 races, will Monaco make it 6 for 6?

Probably, I can't look past Hamilton, in a weekend without team errors. They will be under pressure, but I can't think of an error they haven't made yet so maybe they've learned.

We could also have a winner from a 6th team, I don't rule out Kimi either. And Maldonado will be strong here as well I expect. It's going to be interesting again.


User currently offlinephotopilot From Canada, joined Jul 2002, 2744 posts, RR: 18
Reply 5, posted (2 years 4 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 4814 times:

I just went out and bought a lottery ticket. I think my odds of winning the lottery are better than predicting the winner of the Monaco GP.  

It's one of those races where anything can happen but just for the sake of being totally off the wall for this season, let's hope Kimi and Lotus win it. Just to see a 6 winners, 6 teams to start this season. That should keep the world championship completely up in the air.

Besides, for those of us in Canada or the USA, it's the kickoff for a great day of racing. For me, it's 8 am for the Monaco F1 Gp, followed at 12 noon by the Indy 500, then followed by the NASCAR Coca-Cola 600 that evening. For any race fan, it's an overdose weekend.


User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10898 posts, RR: 37
Reply 6, posted (2 years 4 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 4804 times:

I want a podium with Schumi on top and two Saubers on the sides. That would make a 6th different winner in 6 races.

              



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User currently offlinestealthz From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5697 posts, RR: 44
Reply 7, posted (2 years 4 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 4707 times:
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Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 3):
Some of yesterday's pictures:

Great pics Madame C, looking forward to a walk around those streets.. near or on a GP weekend so much the better!

Some other news,

Quoting Planet F1:
Despite rumours that he could be axed this season, Ferrari insist they could yet retain Felipe Massa for next year's Championship.

Most of us are familiar with drivers(or their managements) talking up their prospective drives most often with the intent of driving up their value, could this be Ferrari doing the reverse and trying to drive down the price of 2013 driver prospects?

Also seen reports that serial cheat and all round bad guy, Flavio Briatore is trying to set up a "GP 1" series allegedly with the support or at least interest of the folks from Maranello, do these guys not know when it is time to stop beating a dead horse?

Noted that Williams test driver Susie Wolff who earned her place in the team based on her undoubted talents/connections( you pick) has been relegated to the rear of the grid at the Brands Hatch DTM race for breaking yellow flag rules during the warm up, This may not be the devasting blow it could have been, she will now start from grid 22 rather than position 21 she qualified at.



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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10898 posts, RR: 37
Reply 8, posted (2 years 4 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 4696 times:

Quoting stealthz (Reply 7):
Great pics Madame C, looking forward to a walk around those streets.. near or on a GP weekend so much the better!

I am out of town this weekend but I will be going there again in the next few days for more pix especially the teams trucks which I am a big fan of.

The weather in and around Monaco is really lousy and it is supposed to stay this way all during the coming week. I will not be surprised it it rains during the whole GP weekend (Friday is GP day off in Monaco).

              



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User currently onlineltbewr From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13115 posts, RR: 12
Reply 9, posted (2 years 4 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 4690 times:

Quoting photopilot (Reply 5):
Besides, for those of us in Canada or the USA, it's the kickoff for a great day of racing. For me, it's 8 am for the Monaco F1 Gp, followed at 12 noon by the Indy 500, then followed by the NASCAR Coca-Cola 600 that evening. For any race fan, it's an overdose weekend.

It is an amazing day for car racing. The F1 at Monaco is truly one of the greatest races in the world, extremely dangerous, challenging, using the same route for generations, in a spectacular setting truly fitting for F1. I remember seeing it on TV here in the States on either tape delay the same day or the following weekend back in the 1960's and causing me to fall in love with that form of racing. The Indy 500 is usually an exciting race. Last year the leading car lost control on the last turn before the finish, the 2nd place car then won, driven by a driver who would lose his life in horrible crash in the last race of the IndyCar season. The NASCAR race is at night, under the lights and is the longest race in NASCAR at 600 miles (~1000 kms) a marathon of driver and car endurance on a fast and demanding track although it can get a bit boring for long stretches.

WIth the way things have been going, we may very sell a 6 & 6 driver & carmaker winner this race. As to the tires, so long as they don't have another Indy F1GP debacle, make it work and stop complaining. I do hope for dry, clear weather for the race for the safety and comfort of all involved and watching ti.

WIth the fire that happened in the garages at the Spanish GP race, has their been any new or special safety changes put into place for the race at Monaco?


User currently offlinejwhite9185 From United Kingdom, joined May 2007, 1303 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (2 years 4 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 4689 times:

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 3):

Wish I could of seen a bit more of the track when I was there last week. The Historic GP was on so the best view of the front straight consisted of:

http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x35/jwhite9185/cfed6821.jpg

I guess its a good enough excuse to come back another time though!

I couldn't believe how strict they are in keeping people from viewing things. I put a few more pics up in the trip report section - even all the way up the hill they had carries blocking the view. You could certainly hear it from all over though!!

Back on subject though, i'd like to see Raikkonen win, just to make it 6 drivers/teams winning from the first 6 races. Although I've got a feeling Hamilton will get his season going this weekend.



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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10898 posts, RR: 37
Reply 11, posted (2 years 4 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 4614 times:

Quoting jwhite9185 (Reply 10):
I couldn't believe how strict they are in keeping people from viewing things.

It's called greed. The ACM (Automobile Club de Monaco) does eveything to try and get every penny everywhere they can. They get a percentage off everything in Monaco during GP time, stores, rental terraces and apartments, even passes for those who live nearby the racing track are controlled.

They want to know how many people the residents will have over during race time and they will do random checks on people's places with the views to see if they have more people in than the number of acess passes distributed. There will be hefty fines for those who outnumber in their places if they get controlled.

They have blocked every possible public view available even more this year than ever before. For those not into F1 this is definitely not a time to visit Monaco. Every train ticket will be checked at the Monaco station, more for cheaters than security purposes but there is that too. Everything is really tight.

A great most of the grandstand seats are already sold out for Sunday. Considering the cost of tickets can you imagine how much profit the ACM will be making? Of course the organistation and set up is very costly. Workers day and night for a whole month putting everything up and undoing it. The teams are also paying a lot of money, so is the FIA and also the Media to get the rights of coverage for the event.

The GP events will be kicking in this Tuesday night with the yearly charity football game at the Louis II stadium. 18 out of 21 registered pilots have agreed to participate.

http://www.agencemonacopresse.com/mo...e-son-19%C3%A8me-anniversaire.html

« Star Team MC » will play the « Formula 1 Drivers Team ».

The teams

STAR TEAM MC:
SAS le PRINCE ALBERT II, SAR PRINCE EMANUELE FILIBERTO DI SAVOIA, PIERRE CASIRAGHI, LOUIS DOCRUET, FREDDY NOCK, FRANK FREDERICKS, J.L. ETTORI, P.N. ETTORI, EZIO GIANOLA, MARC GIRARDELLI, JURE KOSIR, JOSE COBOS, SIMONE ORIGONE, MARTIN DJETOU, LORIS CAPIROSSI, RICCARDO PATRESE, CLAUDIO CHIAPPUCCI, GREG CAMPI, PETER RUNGGALDIER, PATRICE SERVELLE, DOMINIK GRANAK, SABRI LAMOUCHI, MARCO SIMONE, GIULIANO RAZZOLI, ANTOINE ETTORI, ALEX CAFFI, PAVEL NEDVED, CLAUDE PUEL, SONNY ANDERSON

F1 TEAM:
MICHAEL SCHUMACHER, KEVIN KORIUS, FELIPE MASSA, GIANCARLO FISICHELLA, JARNO TRULLI, NIKO ROSBERG, VITO ANTONIO LIUZZI, SEBASTIAN VETTEL, ROMAIN GROSJEAN, SERGIO PEREZ, FERNANDO ALONSO, ROMAIN GROSJEAN, DANIEL RICCIARDO, BRUNO SENNA, TIMO GLOCK, TOM KRISTENSEN, PASTOR MALDONADO, CHARLES PIC, EMANUELE PIRRO, VITALI PETROV, NIKO ULKENBERG, EMANUELE PIRRO, JEROME D’AMBROSIO

This is the cheapest GP event of all. Ticket prices are made accessible to all - 10 and 5 Euros.

  

[Edited 2012-05-21 02:29:23]


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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10898 posts, RR: 37
Reply 12, posted (2 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 4455 times:

Let the Monaco F1 Grand Prix and the fun begin!!!!

I have a busy weekend ahead starting this afternoon. Won't be on the thread much at all until all over.

I have lots of good pictures already. Will post the best later. Must go chasing for more all weekend.

     



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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10898 posts, RR: 37
Reply 13, posted (2 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 4441 times:

Free practice 1 times

Pos Driver Team Laps

1 Alonso ESP Ferrari 22 in pits
2 Grosjean FRA Lotus 17 in pits
3 Perez MEX Sauber 19 in pits
4 Hamilton GBR McLaren 12 in pits
5 Maldonado VEN Williams 20 in pits
6 Massa BRA Ferrari 19 in pits
7 Kobayashi JPN Sauber 21 in pits
8 Button GBR McLaren 13 in pits
9 Vettel GER Red Bull 14 in pits
10 Rosberg GER Mercedes 18 in pits
11 Schumacher GER Mercedes 14 in pits
12 Hülkenberg GER Force India 18 in pits
13 Webber AUS Red Bull 14 in pits
14 Vergne FRA Toro Rosso 25 in pits
15 Ricciardo AUS Toro Rosso 28 in pits
16 di Resta GBR Force India 16 in pits
17 Senna BRA Williams 20 in pits
18 Kovalainen FIN Caterham 20 in pits
19 Petrov RUS Caterham 16 in pits
20 Karthikeyan IND HRT 26 in pits
21 Pic FRA Marussia 18 in pits
22 Glock GER Marussia 9 in pits
23 de la Rosa ESP HRT 15 in pits
24 Räikkönen FIN Lotus 1 in pits


11:26
Confirmed: The session will NOT restart. That's the end of the running

11:24
Marshals are jacking up Kovalainen's car but still need to wheel it off the track (or to a crane) before we can get going again. Progress is slow even though the car is now moving, and we may not have any more running

11:23
It's a big blow-up, the engine went in the tunnel and filled it with smoke so nobody will have been able to see. By the time Kovalainen got out of the tunnel the rear tyres locked and stopped him where he was.

11:20
Kovalainen has parked his Caterham on the exit of the tunnel and there's lots of smoke around - he confirms on the radio "engine is gone" - and visibility is very poor due to the smoke. He's quite lucky that it didn't cause a big accident.

  

Will be watching FP2 from a terrace with a direct view on Boulevard d'Ostende this afternoon. The sun is blaring hot. I got my face all sunburned yesterday while I was chasing for pictures. Will have to be more careful today. Thunderstorms and rain are expected tomorrow until Sunday.

Here's the local newspaper - Monaco Matin (French only)
http://www.monacomatin.mc/derniere-m...rix-pendant-cinq-jours.879767.html



        



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User currently offlinesudden From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 4130 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (2 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 4439 times:

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 6):
I want a podium with Schumi

Very doubtful that will happen as Schumi's main focus this season is to blaim the tyres for his poor performance.
Maybe he should simply accept that he's just a shadow of his former him, and hand his seat over to someone who is hungry instead.



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User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10736 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (2 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 4425 times:

According to an interview Alonso seems optimistic, he sees a real chance to win the race and the WC if his team supports him with constant and effective upgrades as it did recently.
So far this season is the best since a long time, with about 10 drivers able to win a GP.

Forza Ferrari! My wish is Alonso wins ahead of Schumacher!


User currently offlineflood From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 1381 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (2 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 4405 times:

Quoting sudden (Reply 14):
Very doubtful that will happen as Schumi's main focus this season is to blaim the tyres for his poor performance. Maybe he should simply accept that he's just a shadow of his former him, and hand his seat over to someone who is hungry instead.

Do you actually watch F1 to see your favorite driver do well, or do you just watch to see your least favorite drivers lose?


User currently offlinescbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12567 posts, RR: 46
Reply 17, posted (2 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 4371 times:
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Quoting flood (Reply 16):
Do you actually watch F1 to see your favorite driver do well, or do you just watch to see your least favorite drivers lose?

In the perfect race, both would happen.   



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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10898 posts, RR: 37
Reply 18, posted (2 years 3 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 4316 times:

A place with a view. Family went away during GP time and I got the keys. Madame Concorde is having a fun weekend in a place with a view... and what a view! Got access pass to the building - can go all around the track any time unrestricted... plus the place with a garden and the view!!! Best I have had so far!!! A house swap weekend!!!!


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OK got to go... back to work!!! more pictures after the weekend. Will do a separate pictures thread. You all enjoy the Monaco GP!!!!

     



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User currently offlinemad99 From Spain, joined Mar 2012, 561 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (2 years 3 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 4310 times:

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 21):
A place with a view

Thanks vary much for the pics!


User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17066 posts, RR: 10
Reply 20, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 4197 times:

Great job by Schumi! It must feel great for him, though it is a pity that he wont be able to start from 1st.


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User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10736 posts, RR: 9
Reply 21, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 4193 times:

Great show from Schumi. There´s still fire in the no.1 driver of all time. Sad only its Webber on pole tomorrow. But that Vettel is way back on the grid is certainly good for the championship. Im sure he´s playing tactics and probably on a one-stop strategy tomorrow. Maldonado, Button and Raikönnen weren´t really at their best today.
I´m slightly disappointed with Alonso´s time in Q3. That Ferrari finally kicked the "sleeping" Massa has had its miraculous effect, seventh place is by far the best performance this season.
Unaware of the tactics its hard to make any predictions for tomorrow. From the top 5 in this practise I would put my money on Hamilton and Alonso. The Mercedes with their very soft tyres wont likely be in front for too long, and Alonso will almost certainly improve on 5th place in the race as is his usual custom, that are the only things I can say with some justification at the moment.


User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10898 posts, RR: 37
Reply 22, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 4122 times:

Quoting B747forever (Reply 25):
Great job by Schumi! It must feel great for him, though it is a pity that he wont be able to start from 1st.

I was really happy too!

What you all did not see is the monster storm that hit the whole area with lightning, thunder and tons of rain for hours on. The whole area is rained out for miles - I am sure some places must be flooded and there is more rain (don't know how heavy) forecasted for tomorrow.

It might just change everything as today during F1 the weather was hot and totally dry and it all turned into this monster storm in the evening. Tomorrow will tell. I am sure Schumi can pick up the places. It is one thing that they pushed him back 5 places but they should have done the same to Senna and Maldonado is pushed back 10 places. Makes a lot of push back.

Got some really nice pictures today. I got to a bit of time with Kimi after he had an interview on a boat with a really nice Finnish lady reporter. Friend Richard Branson isn't here this year. No Necker Belle catamaran. He is probably busy with other things. VJ Mallya is here with his gigantic Indian Empress Yacht. His mega party was on Thursday night but I did not go by tonight I had to fight the storm and go home.

Let's see what tomorrow brings.

       



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User currently offlinecpd From Australia, joined Jun 2008, 4879 posts, RR: 38
Reply 23, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 4021 times:

Here is hoping for a great race, free of incidents.

MadameC: Thanks for your updates.  Smile

[Edited 2012-05-27 03:26:25]

User currently offlinejwhite9185 From United Kingdom, joined May 2007, 1303 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 4007 times:

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 28):
Friend Richard Branson isn't here this year. No Necker Belle catamaran. He is probably busy with other things

He's in YVR for VS' inaugural flight there.

Must of walked past the building you're in when I was there the other week... is it above the entrance to the train station?



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25 QFA380 : Webber is on pole!! I would be absolutely thrilled if he can bring it home. Sky seems to be making a big fuss about the RedBull car though. Not sure i
26 ltbewr : What a wild crash in the GP3 race yesterday ! Fortunately the diver was able to walk away upon landing. GP2 this morning had a major crash on the 1st
27 boeingfever777 : GOOD JOB TO THE WINNER, MARK WEBBER! Here is to hoping Ryan Briscoe & Will Power can continue the AU winning streak today in racing at the Indy 50
28 stealthz : "Not bad for a number 2" Well done Mark!! Missed the first 20 laps .. have to go back and watch it now.
29 QFA380 : WEBBER WON!! Phenomenal race, 6 winners from 6 races. Closest ever finish at the top in Monaco. Rosberg too put in an excellent performance, never mor
30 Charles79 : It was a very entertaining race to watch, amazing performance when you consider just how close the cars are to the barriers at every point of the tra
31 photopilot : Great race. Who would have expected Alonso to be the sole leader of the Championship after 6 races this year. The consistent finishes might be the way
32 B747forever : Both Webber and Vettel have 73 points each...
33 Post contains links DiamondFlyer : While not F1, did anyone see the horrific GP3 crash the other day? Lots being made of it here in the US, as it was an American driver. http://www.yout
34 KiwiRob : were you people watching the same race I was watching, yet again Monaco has given us a dull procession from start to finish, when are Bernie and the
35 moo : It's a spectacular crash, no doubt about it, but not horrific. The car stayed together, the cockpit remained intact and the driver walked away. The c
36 Post contains images MadameConcorde : Monaco F1 Grand Prix Race 27 May 2012 What a fantastic day! My Palme d'Or for this race goes to Flying Kamui May 24-27, 2012 Circuit de Monaco | Total
37 Post contains images scbriml : Say what? And there I was thinking I was the only one. I really do fail to see the attraction of this event. Yes, one can admire the skill of the dri
38 KiwiRob : The race part of Monaco is well over before it even starts, qualifying is the race.
39 B747forever : And you save the same with everyone behind a slow Kimi and later Button behind Kovalainen.
40 ltbewr : To me, it was a good tight, entertaining race. The top 4 were within a second or 2 of each other. Another 1st time season winner, 2nd for Team Red Bul
41 DiamondFlyer : The horrific part about it is how close it was to being a multiple fan fatality accident. The car was at least 30% above the catch fence. Just a tick
42 mad99 : Monaco needs changing conditions to make it interesting otherwise you get what we saw, a boring procession.. Senna has been completely out classed by
43 stealthz : There are several places around that track that worry me in that regard, the other thing that scared ne was if that car was oriented differently we w
44 CXB77L : While I agree that Monaco has been, as you put it, a dull procession for years, I disagree that it should be removed from the calendar. Monaco has hi
45 stealthz : And Spa. Please keep Spa!!!
46 KiwiRob : Spa is the best track in F1, to remove Spa would be a tragedy, Silverstone is also a must have race since many of the F1 teams and a vast number of s
47 moo : But thats not unique to Monaco - any of the circuits where a high speed portion of the track isn't separated from the crowd by a huge run off area su
48 stealthz : Hi all, I am going to derail this thread just a little , I pray you will indulge me... My mum was a big F1 fan, rarely missed a race on TV , made it t
49 Post contains images moo : Thats quite a nice story, thanks for sharing it
50 Post contains images GrahamHill : Nope, the closest one was Senna over Mansell with 0.215s 20 years ago. You missed the allusion to what he said after the British GP of 2010 True. Mon
51 KiwiRob : The Indy 500 is tough. At least on the Tilke tracks (which I find soulless) there are overtaking opportunities, modern F1 cars aren't really able to
52 CXB77L : Definitely agree with that. Spa has the best track on the F1 calendar. It's another one that should never be removed.
53 Post contains images MadameConcorde : I am planning to do a Monaco Grand Prix 2012 pictures gallery thread as I have collected some really nice materials during the 4 days. I am asking you
54 na : Monaco, as a backdrop, is surely nice to watch and maybe the most attractive GP - during training sessions. But: Six drivers within 3 seconds on the
55 stealthz : How does this make for good racing? I would rather see a group of cars nose to tail trying to force a driving error or tactical mistake than have the
56 na : Well, I liked F1 more back in the 70s or early 80s when chance played a major roll. And, F1 is not just a driver´s championship, its also constructo
57 scbriml : It is exciting for a short while. Then the realisation that in fact there won't be any overtaking sets in and it becomes boring. Personally, I'd be q
58 KiwiRob : Touring cars would be great around Monaco, I'd go, but I'd never waste my money on F1 there.
59 Post contains links and images scbriml : Red Bull's floor holes have now been deemed illegal and must be changed before the Canadian GP. http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/18310767 This is
60 moo : The rules are too ambiguous these days, precisely because you have an organisation that has tried to ban small specific technical improvements throug
61 stealthz : Easily, They were told they were legal at the time, now they are are not. My opinion is they were illegal but the FIA had cleared them. It isn't like
62 Post contains images scbriml : Well, that's partly my point. If it's now deemed illegal, why hasn't it always been illegal? The rules haven't changed, so why were RB told it was le
63 moo : The problem is, theres a difference between Charlie Whiting giving an opinion, which was what he did prior to Monaco, and the FIA issuing a technical
64 scbriml : While this is true, he is the Technical Director of F1. He, more than any other individual, ought to know if something is within the rules or not. If
65 Bill142 : Interpretation. There's the way its written and the way its implemented. Sometimes these things aren't black and white.
66 Post contains images MadameConcorde : I never thought the Red Bulles had floor holes in them! Who would ever think of that? Must give Seb and Mark some breezy rides on the racing tracks..
67 stealthz : I believe they were up by the back wheels. I also understand the FIA has not banned the holes but in the opinion of the technical folks at the FIA th
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