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Buenos Aires Or São Paulo?  
User currently offlineKingFriday013 From United States of America, joined May 2007, 1300 posts, RR: 9
Posted (2 years 4 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 4482 times:

I hate comparing things that have so many different aspects, but I'm curious. If you could visit Buenos Aires or São Paulo for 3-5 days (but you don't have all the money in the world), which one (and only one) would you pick and why? I'm trying get opinions from a tourist perspective, and thinking about things like costs (excluding flights but including lodging et al.), food, sights, and safety. If you're from either of these places: why should (or shouldn't!) someone visit your city?

Thanks  

-J.


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User currently offlinezhiao From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 397 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (2 years 4 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 4462 times:
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BA.

Sao Paulo is ugly.


User currently offlineLonghornmaniac From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 3298 posts, RR: 44
Reply 2, posted (2 years 4 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 4459 times:

No question. BA.

Cheers,
Cameron


User currently offlinefxramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7298 posts, RR: 85
Reply 3, posted (2 years 4 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 4426 times:
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I value life, so Sao Paulo.

User currently offlineAirstud From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 2670 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (2 years 4 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 4416 times:

Buenos Aires - it's more storied.

Home of the tango, the Paris of South America, locus of the Belle Epoque...

São Paulo I know nothing about. And how did that happen? (The answer to that question is the answer to your travel question.)



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User currently offlinePPVRA From Brazil, joined Nov 2004, 8964 posts, RR: 39
Reply 5, posted (2 years 4 months 4 days ago) and read 4402 times:

I am from Sao Paulo and as much as I like the city, I can tell you it's not a tourist destination. It's an interesting city and it does have a few things to see and do even for tourists, but it's something you'd do as a tag on to your trip to Rio or Buenos Aires if you have a couple extra days.

You should go to BA, or maybe Rio instead of Sao Paulo.



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User currently offlinePyrex From Portugal, joined Aug 2005, 4022 posts, RR: 28
Reply 6, posted (2 years 4 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 4384 times:

Quoting KingFriday013 (Thread starter):
thinking about things like costs

In that case... Buenos Aires. São Paulo is, right now, quite possibly the most expensive city in the world. Even with an expense account I can barely afford anything when I am there for business.

Quoting KingFriday013 (Thread starter):
food

Buenos Aires might have good, cheap steak, but São Paulo has amazing food of all sorts. You have truly magnificent (and magnificently expensive) restaurants there, with cuisines from all over the world. It all depends of what type of foodie you are

Quoting zhiao (Reply 1):
Sao Paulo is ugly.

It might be, ugly, dirty and absolutely chaotic (you don't know what traffic is until you have been to SP) but it is also a vibrant city with lots of energy and amazing restaurants, hotels, bars, etc. Kind of like New Yõrk, really - one of the world's great metropolis.

That said, if you happen to be in the area for business extending your stay in São Paulo for a couple of days might not be a bad idea, but for a vacation there are much better places...

Quoting fxramper (Reply 3):
I value life, so Sao Paulo.

Not sure Buenos Aires is that more dangerous than São Paulo (if at all) but as much as I would love to visit Buenos Aires and Patagonia I would be afraid of getting harassed by the cash-sniffing dogs on the border, on the way out... not sure how much my desire to visit those places trumps my desire to make sure CfK does not see any more hard currency.



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User currently offline777222LR From United States of America, joined Feb 2012, 134 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (2 years 4 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 4377 times:

Buenos Aires for sure. BA is the Paris of the Americas. Beautiful city, with a real old world latin charm to it. Walking through Recoleta I feel like I've gone back to the 1950's, in a very nice sort of way. Food is great as well, and not terribly expensive, at least it wasn't when I was there a few years ago.

I stayed at the Intercontinental Hotel in BA, but I'm sure there are hundreds of places that are cheaper than that. Also, a big thing that a lot of young American tourists do is find rentals on local websites. They are often much cheaper than hotels, bigger, and are very close to where you want to be.

Ezieza is a craphole however. It's like being in the bowels of LHR T4.

Also, you don't have to go through the Brazilian Visa issue, although you will have to pay a pretty hefty (124.00 I think) reciprocity fee when you land in Buenos Aires.

You are also only a 20 min flight to Montevideo on AA.


User currently offline777222LR From United States of America, joined Feb 2012, 134 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (2 years 4 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 4326 times:

Having said that, you might also want to consider Santiago, Chile. BEAUTIFUL city with a more mountainous setting. Great food, wine, etc. Generally, I believe it it somewhat cheaper than Argentina. The airport is one of the nicest in South America.

Best of Luck!


User currently offlineluckyone From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 2172 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (2 years 4 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 4307 times:

Quoting 777222LR (Reply 7):
Food is great as well, and not terribly expensive, at least it wasn't when I was there a few years ago.

I was there last June. It's still quite affordable. A steak the size of your plate and almost two inches thick will run you about $12. And it melts in your mouth. Two people can routinely eat a steak each, a salad, and a side of whatever, plus a bottle wine for around 100 pesos each, or $25.

Quoting 777222LR (Reply 7):
Also, a big thing that a lot of young American tourists do is find rentals on local websites. They are often much cheaper than hotels, bigger, and are very close to where you want to be.

I would also recommend this. For ten days in a studio apartment, which is really all you need for a vacation, I paid around $30/night in Palermo Soho. I saved about $200 over a hotel, which is enough to eat steak for the entire week.

Quoting 777222LR (Reply 7):
although you will have to pay a pretty hefty (124.00 I think) reciprocity fee when you land in Buenos Aires.

Which gets you a very ugly black and white sticker in your passport that allows you to return to Argentina without paying again for the next ten years. Of course, you can circumvent this by flying to Uruguay and taking a ferry across the river.


User currently offlineAR385 From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 6209 posts, RR: 30
Reply 10, posted (2 years 4 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 4268 times:
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Sao Paulo is great for business. It´s a business destination. Touristy? Not so much.

Buenos Aires is the one for tourism.



MGGS
User currently offlineKingFriday013 From United States of America, joined May 2007, 1300 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (2 years 4 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 4246 times:

Thanks everyone for your responses! There's really so much to consider when looking at the two cities.

So far it looks like the general consensus is Buenos Aires over São Paulo for a number of reasons. The tango, the steak (I'm a HUGE steak fan so that's a big draw for me!), the architecture, and all of that seem so interesting. And if I understand correctly, BA is generally cheaper than SP, which is also very important.

Now the reason I was asking about it is because I'm beginning to plan a RTW trip   Not getting into specifics yet (since I don't even know if it will even happen),but EZE or GRU would be my final destination before returning to New York. I would have loved to do SCL but it takes me over the mileage cap so I had to look at alternatives. GIG sounds like a great idea also, I didn't think of it but it could certainly work as well. I hate to now add a third city to consider but do yall have any thoughts about Rio?

FWIW, I'd be flying to any of these three cities on AF from CDG. Also, the earliest this trip could possibly take place is next summer, and it's more likely it wouldn't take place until perhaps the summer after that. But it's good to start planning early.

-J.



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User currently offlineAR385 From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 6209 posts, RR: 30
Reply 12, posted (2 years 4 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 4240 times:
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I lived in Rio for two years. Without offending anyone here, and thus I won´t go into specifics, I believe it is overrated.


MGGS
User currently offlinecorey07850 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2527 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (2 years 4 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 4223 times:

BA for sure for all of the reasons mentioned above. Assuming you are American you also dont need a visa like you would for Brazil so that will save you some money. SP is still interesting! Especially just seeing how massive of a metropolis it is, but not really for tpurism

User currently offlineAeroflot777 From Russia, joined Mar 2004, 3008 posts, RR: 26
Reply 14, posted (2 years 4 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 4198 times:

Buenos Aires.

One of my greatest trips to date.


User currently offlinePPVRA From Brazil, joined Nov 2004, 8964 posts, RR: 39
Reply 15, posted (2 years 4 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 4193 times:

Quoting KingFriday013 (Reply 11):
I hate to now add a third city to consider but do yall have any thoughts about Rio?

Great city, really very nice. History, sights, food, etc. Though lately there has been a big ruckus over hotel costs, which are very high. Since your trip is still some time away I would check back into this before you schedule your trip.



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User currently offlineAM744 From Mexico, joined Jun 2001, 1779 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (2 years 4 months 13 hours ago) and read 4073 times:

I'd think Sao Paulo is more expensive, given the value of the Real vs Peso Argentino. Plus, you'd need a visa in case you are American. Apparently you need to go to the embassy of at least mail your application, so it looks as it's not the easiest thing to do. I'd choose BA.

User currently offlineKingFriday013 From United States of America, joined May 2007, 1300 posts, RR: 9
Reply 17, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 3912 times:

It looks like Buenos Aires is still the preferred destination of the three, so I'll hopefully end up going there! The trip is still in the super-preliminary planning stages but if it all works out I hope to be in Buenos Aires at some point on it.

Quoting 777222LR (Reply 8):
Having said that, you might also want to consider Santiago, Chile. BEAUTIFUL city with a more mountainous setting. Great food, wine, etc. Generally, I believe it it somewhat cheaper than Argentina. The airport is one of the nicest in South America.

I've heard marvelous things about Santiago, Chile also, but unfortunately it's a little too far for the trip, as it goes over the mileage limit  

Thanks again everyone for your input!  

-J.



Tho' I've belted you an' flayed you, By the livin' Gawd that made you, You're a better man than I am, Gunga Din!
User currently offlinebjorn14 From Norway, joined Feb 2010, 3456 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 3868 times:

Quoting 777222LR (Reply 7):
Beautiful city, with a real old world latin charm to it.

More like old world European charm. Argentinians don't even consider themselves Latinos they're Europeans. Dontchyaknow.

Mendoza would be my Argentinian choice. Mountains and wine!



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User currently offlineSHAQ From Panama, joined Jun 2007, 378 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 3863 times:

My sister says Buenos Aires!
She have been on both cities, and says that Buenos Aires is a really charming city.
Sao Paulo is not very "touristy".



Studying hard, for flying right!
User currently offlineDerico From Argentina, joined Dec 1999, 4306 posts, RR: 11
Reply 20, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3820 times:

Quoting fxramper (Reply 3):
I value life, so Sao Paulo.

If you are going to make such arrantly piquant one liners, would you like to provide any hard factual evidence to back up your talk? Like, how can you prove this statement is the case compared to Sao Paulo, Mexico City, New York, Miami, etc??

It's one thing to make such a claim when it is clearly true, but to make such foolish and obviously personally tainted expressions and I will call you on it.

If you value your life, don't go to a school, university or shopping mall in your country, perhaps?



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User currently offlineTR763 From Brazil, joined Mar 2001, 775 posts, RR: 14
Reply 21, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 3784 times:

I would only recommend São Paulo if you're staying at a friends house, that has a car and can take you to places in his/her vehicle.
I am from SP, but from a tourist point of view, the city is VERY expensive, public transportation is not good and the city is HUGE, so getting lost is quite easy. English is spoken by part of the people, so if you don't speak a word of Portuguese, things can get complicated, if you are lost, for example.
On the other hand, SP has better restaurants, bars and nightlife in general than BA or Rio. But always more expensive.
You won't spend less than US$200,00 in a fine restaurant for a couple's dinner here.

It's hard to choose between BA or Rio.
Both cities are awesome, but they have very different things to do. Rio is the most beautiful city I have ever been. It's nature, combined with the men work gives the city a so special and unique environment. People there are hot! In all means, you will be very well received by the cariocas!

Buenos Aires is a more romantic city, even because it's constructions and streets gives a very glamorous and classy feeling. The Tango shows are nice but you'll have to be very careful when choosing where to go, because you can find some real tourist traps. They also have a Casino there, something you won't find in Brazil (at least not legal ones).

You'll end up making a good decision!
Post a Trip Report for us!!!

Rgs!



Transbrasil
User currently offlinesturmovik From India, joined May 2007, 509 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3713 times:

Quoting KingFriday013 (Thread starter):
Buenos Aires or São Paulo

Buenos Aires.

Oh wait, I thought I was on the 'this or that' thread..  



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User currently offlineRodRB From Brazil, joined Feb 2010, 125 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 3624 times:

I've been to both city many times. They are very different. Sao Paulo is a great great city. It has everything, such as many great restaurants, bars, nightlife. It's full of wealthy people, so things are a little expensive there. It's a business destination.

Buenos Aires is really a great city to visit. You gonna love it.

If you like steak, you can't miss Cabana de Las Lillas Restaurant at Puerto Madero (http://www.laslilas.com/).

Cheers


User currently offlineGonzalo From Chile, joined Aug 2005, 1988 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks ago) and read 3561 times:

Quoting KingFriday013 (Thread starter):
I hate comparing things that have so many different aspects, but I'm curious. If you could visit Buenos Aires or São Paulo for 3-5 days (but you don't have all the money in the world), which one (and only one) would you pick and why? I'm trying get opinions from a tourist perspective, and thinking about things like costs (excluding flights but including lodging et al.), food, sights, and safety. If you're from either of these places: why should (or shouldn't!) someone visit your city?

If you want to see curiosities like animal traction vehicles in the middle of the streets and avenues, crowds of people looking for food in the garbage outside the McDonalds, or if you want to be harassed by sniffing dogs and inspectors trying to remove every dollar or Euro from your pocket in the border or EZE, I recommend to you Buenos Aires.
If you want to know a city with the same advantages of Buenos Aires but without all the bad things, go to Montevideo.



Quoting Derico (Reply 20):
how can you prove this statement is the case compared to Sao Paulo, Mexico City, New York, Miami, etc??

I think he can prove his statement with just a link to one of the big Argentinian newspapers, but you probably don't believe in the newspapers. I guess the best way to see who is closer to the truth is to expect a trip report from KingFriday013 if he finally decides to go to the "Paris" of South America ( yeah, right.... very similar to Paris.... in the Jean Valjean times ).

G.



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25 DanVS : I would rather go to Rio instead of Buenos Aires. People travel to see different things. Sure, Buenos Aires has unique places and experiences, but ove
26 corocks : Second that. I enjoyed my time in Mendoza much for than BA.
27 Airxliban : I had this exact choice and I was coming from Qatar, so I could have gotten off the QR flight in GRU or stayed on until EZE. I chose EZE for the simpl
28 connies4ever : Kind of biased, my grandfather was born and raised in Argentina (Rosario). So I pick BA.
29 Post contains images Derico : Gonzalo, You are clearly a very bitter person with a massive chip towards Argentina, as seen multitude of threads here and in civil avation. Your "rep
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