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Piedmont Pilot Arrested For Carrying Loaded Gun  
User currently offlineKBUF From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 516 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 7278 times:

Got nailed while attempting to get through security at BUF to pilot a flight to LGA (which wound up being delayed for 2 hours so a replacement pilot could be found: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/P.../history/20120518/1122Z/KBUF/KLGA); the police said he had piloted seven other flights in the last two days with the gun in his bag, additionally having not gotten his bag x-rayed while passing through CHO: http://www.buffalonews.com/city/police-courts/courts/article862751.ece


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User currently offlinem11stephen From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 1247 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 7250 times:

We obviously don't know all the details in this case but more than likely the pilot simply forgot that he had this gun in his bag. I see no other reason why an airline pilot of all people would fly seven flights and attempt to clear a TSA checkpoint with a gun in their bag.


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User currently offlineDashTrash From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 1520 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 7193 times:

Quoting m11stephen (Reply 1):

I'm sure you're right. Crew doesn't have to go through TSA at CHO when operating the flight.

I flew with this captain many times. He's a good guy, good stick, and I always enjoyed being paired up with him. Sucks to see him going through something like this. Especially in a very gun un-friendly state like NY and with a company like PDT.


User currently offlinem11stephen From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 1247 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 7088 times:

Quoting DashTrash (Reply 2):

Everyone makes mistakes... I hope that Piedmont can forgive his actions and allow him to keep his job. He was probably licensed to carry a concealed weapon and simply forgot to take it out of his bag. He would not be the first crewmember to do that.



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User currently offlineDashTrash From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 1520 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 7041 times:

Quoting m11stephen (Reply 3):
. I hope that Piedmont can forgive his actions and allow him to keep his job.

I doubt it. Labor / management relations are a war zone there right now. I don't think this guy had a target on his back from mgmt so I'm hoping they help defend him, but I don't see any way they can't terminate him. Piedmont is also very good at hanging those who screw up royally out to dry. That being said there is a new ACP who is a very good pilot ally.

I just hope it turns out for the best. He definitely doesn't deserve this mess.

Quoting m11stephen (Reply 3):
He was probably licensed to carry a concealed weapon and simply forgot to take it out of his bag. He would not be the first crewmember to do that.

Entirely possible. I'm a gun guy as well. Golden rule to pilots who shoot.... NEVER make your flight bag your shooting bag. I did for a while and sweated like hell when going through security. I knew I didn't have a firearm in there, but I was always worried about a loose round.

At any rate, I think the other guys who have done this got slapped on the wrist. Problem here is NYS will go after him no doubt when the Feds are done.


User currently offlineDashTrash From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 1520 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 6967 times:

Quoting fxramper (Reply 5):

I can assure you he's no idiot....


User currently offlineDarkSnowyNight From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 1350 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 6830 times:

Quoting DashTrash (Reply 4):
Piedmont is also very good at hanging those who screw up royally out to dry. That being said there is a new ACP who is a very good pilot ally.

I'll buy that. I remember when a QA friend of mine got canned after a mechanic improperly re-attached a Horse Collar after a B-check. The result was that it departed the aircraft in flight. Yes, he should have pulled on it like the work card says (but nobody ever does this any more than we rolled wheels on weeklies), but the guy had eight years of good time. No second chances on some things, I guess.

It's funny because when I tell that story where I'm at now, I get a lot of "are you serious?" type responses. Could be it's a PDT thing, or an airline thing in general. Anyway, pilot with a gun through security, yeah, they'll probably deliver kittens over it.
Sad to lose his job, more so for how easy it is to need a lawyer these days.



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User currently offlinesilentbob From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 2054 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 6701 times:

Quoting DashTrash (Reply 2):
Crew doesn't have to go through TSA at CHO when operating the flight.

I would put money on that changing in the near future.


User currently offlineDashTrash From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 1520 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 6691 times:

Quoting silentbob (Reply 8):
I would put money on that changing in the near future.

I wouldn't touch that bet. I'm sure you're right.


User currently offlineScottishDavie From UK - Scotland, joined Feb 2011, 181 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 6456 times:

Quoting DashTrash (Reply 2):
a very gun un-friendly state like NY

From the British perspective (and I suspect the European perspective generally) that really is an extraordinary statement. While I'm sure the pilot in question didn't intend any harm, from this side of the Atlantic the question has to be asked what on earth the gun was doing in his bag in the first place. Strange as it may seem, most people around here don't carry guns at all, let alone "forget" where they've put them.


User currently offlinedanielmyatt From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2011, 160 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 6418 times:

Quoting ScottishDavie (Reply 10):

This, all over.

The gun culture in the US is totally mistifying to me and a vast majority of the population over this side of the Atlantic. Surely if you was in a highly responsible job such as a pilot, and with the world the way it is at them moment with terrorism and the such, you wouldn't even think about owning a gun, let alone having one in your house near your flight gear?

It does seem a genuine mistake, but it's a mistake that should cost him his job. Irresponsibility at its highest.


User currently offlineDashTrash From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 1520 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 6289 times:

Quoting ScottishDavie (Reply 10):
Quoting danielmyatt (Reply 11):
The gun culture in the US is totally mistifying to me and a vast majority of the population over this side of the Atlantic. Surely if you was in a highly responsible job such as a pilot, and with the world the way it is at them moment with terrorism and the such, you wouldn't even think about owning a gun, let alone having one in your house near your flight gear?

There is a very different culture on this side of the world. Our Constitution guarantees us the right to bear arms. In past times firearms were just one more tool we used to do what needed to be done. Pest control of the four legged kind and putting meat on the table. From this, as society has migrated to the cities, shooting has become sport. Targets have become paper rather than animal, shotguns are fired at clays rather than birds. Quite a few of us still live a "countryfied" lifestyle and shoot for both food and sport. I own numerous rifles, shotguns and pistols. About once per month we take a trip to our local shooting range and spend an afternoon (friends / family). We go through a few rounds, grill hotdogs on a portable grill, drink a soft drink, shoot a little more, pack up and go home. During deer season, you'll find me employing my firearms putting meat in the freezer.

I also have a permit that allows me to carry a pistol concealed within state law. I do this because the world isn't a friendly place. No one is "out to get me", and I don't frequent bad areas. However, part of my job as the man of the house is to protect my family. Bad guys have guns over here. Plain and simple. The best defense against that is situation awareness, but even exercising this you can find yourself the victim (nearly carjacked one night in a good neighborhood while pumping gas, 2 yr old son strapped into his carseat)

Like I said before, I've flown with this captain many times. I'm betting his use of firearms is similar to mine. He possibly broke one of the pilot / gun owner rules: Never use your overnight bag as your shooting bag....


User currently offlineMillwallSean From Singapore, joined Apr 2008, 1240 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 6260 times:

Any person carrying a gun onto an airplane is an idiot. No matter mistake or what he needs to loose his license asap.
Just bizarre that we can even be having a discussion about him being a nice lad etc. I dont doubt he is but its loaded gun on an airplane...

Dont let the door hit you on the way out as we say.



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User currently offlineDashTrash From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 1520 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 6237 times:

Quoting MillwallSean (Reply 13):
Any person carrying a gun onto an airplane is an idiot. No matter mistake or what he needs to loose his license asap.

He didn't violate any FARs. I doubt he'll loose his license.

Quoting MillwallSean (Reply 13):
Dont let the door hit you on the way out as we say.

I'm sure they will fire him over this.


User currently offlinezbbylw From Canada, joined Nov 2006, 1983 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 6145 times:

I understand that the US has the things for guns and a few people are defending him on his errors. I am sure as Dash Trash is mentioning he is a great pilot. With that being said I too find it shocking that people are OK with the fact he had a loaded gun with him in the flight deck. There are errors and then their are situations in which cross a line. I am glad to hear that the people of NY are a bit more sensible and corrected this matter!


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User currently offlinecbphoto From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1551 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 6067 times:

Quoting zbbylw (Reply 15):
I understand that the US has the things for guns and a few people are defending him on his errors. I am sure as Dash Trash is mentioning he is a great pilot. With that being said I too find it shocking that people are OK with the fact he had a loaded gun with him in the flight deck.

WHAT? You do realize on any given day their are hundreds of flights that criss-cross the US with loaded guns in the flight deck? It's called the FFDO program, read up on it one day!

All the foreigners who want to hang this individual have to realize that guns do not kill people, it's people who kill people. He obviously had no intentions of hurting someone with it, as he would have done it on the first flight.

Unfortunately, I have a lot of connections in Piedmont and I know roughly the current situation out their and sadly I have a feeling his career at Piedmont is probably over. Hopefully he'll be able to recover and find a new job, at a better company!

[Edited 2012-05-21 12:48:19 by srbmod]


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User currently offlinescbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12407 posts, RR: 46
Reply 16, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 6025 times:
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Quoting m11stephen (Reply 1):
more than likely the pilot simply forgot that he had this gun in his bag.

You left out the significant word "loaded". SIMPLY forgot?  Wow!
Quoting m11stephen (Reply 3):
I hope that Piedmont can forgive his actions and allow him to keep his job.
Quoting DashTrash (Reply 14):
He didn't violate any FARs. I doubt he'll loose his license.

Even if he has a criminal conviction on his record?

Quoting DashTrash (Reply 12):
I also have a permit that allows me to carry a pistol concealed within state law.

How often do you forget where your loaded gun is?



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User currently offlineDashTrash From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 1520 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 5862 times:

Quoting scbriml (Reply 17):
How often do you forget where your loaded gun is?

Doesn't matter. I'm not him. This guy isn't the first who showed up to the airport with a gun in his bag he didn't realize was there. Stuff happens. You use the bag to go shoot. You get home tired from a day at the range, unload and forget one important item. Go to work the next day, get arrested. There has also been at least one pilot in the middle of a divorce who's wife put a gun in his bag.

Quoting scbriml (Reply 17):

Even if he has a criminal conviction on his record?

Correct.


User currently offlinedanielmyatt From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2011, 160 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 5864 times:

Quoting DashTrash (Reply 12):
Our Constitution guarantees us the right to bear arms.

So what?
It's also illegal not to own a boat in Hawaii, doesn't mean this it's not an outdated and archaic law, and must be obeyed at all times.
Just because it's a "right" it doesn't mean it is right.



User currently offlineNBGSkyGod From United States of America, joined May 2004, 797 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 5708 times:

Quoting DashTrash (Reply 14):
He didn't violate any FARs. I doubt he'll loose his license.

He will not loose his license, but it will be very difficult for him to renew his medical with a felony conviction. and without the medical, his license is nothing more than a fancy bookmark or drink coaster.



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User currently offlineairportugal310 From Palau, joined Apr 2004, 3587 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 5665 times:

DashTrash...don't bother.

I believe you; I agree with you.

There are apparently individuals here who are not capable of making mistakes, or can't grasp the fact that the US isn't Europe. Thankfully.

None of them have ever run a red light, not seen a pedestrian in a crosswalk, left something in their bags that was prohibited at a security checkpoint, or accidentally burped at a dinner table. Angels...all of you  



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User currently offlinedanielmyatt From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2011, 160 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 5649 times:

There's a difference between running a red light and leaving a loaded handgun in a bag that you take on a plane every time you go to work.

User currently offlineusdcaguy From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 956 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 5581 times:

Quoting DashTrash (Reply 12):
I also have a permit that allows me to carry a pistol concealed within state law. I do this because the world isn't a friendly place. No one is "out to get me", and I don't frequent bad areas. However, part of my job as the man of the house is to protect my family. Bad guys have guns over here. Plain and simple.

The best protection that you could possibly have for your family is to ensure plentiful redistribution of income (via cash and government services) within the American economy. The main reasons why people steal are that they have found themselves in desperate situations where there is nobody around to help them, or they do not think there will ever be an opportunity to improve their lives, so they have nothing to lose. If we had a government that took care of its people instead of fostering a violent, individualistic society, we would not feel so vulnerable. Being scared and buying a gun to have around your children is a terrible mistake and a misinterpretation of the original intent of the constitution. The right to bear arms was so the populace could work as a militia and defend itself against outside invaders (e.g. the English). Any outside invader who could stand up to our military (not impossible, but challenging) is likely to hit us economically first, then destroy our infrastructure with aircraft and then drop bombs on our cities. I don't think a little gun is going to do much good in that fight.

As a former employee of Piedmont, I am OUTRAGED that a pilot would carry a loaded gun around, for whatever reason, even for the purpose of ostensibly defending himself against a terrorist. We need to start teaching little boys at an early age that it's an act of idiocy to carry a gun around and that the best protection one could have is to look out for others as one looks out for oneself.


User currently offlineCargolex From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 1261 posts, RR: 8
Reply 23, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 5581 times:

Quoting DashTrash (Reply 12):
Our Constitution guarantees us the right to bear arms.
Quoting DashTrash (Reply 12):
In past times firearms were just one more tool we used to do what needed to be done. Pest control of the four legged kind and putting meat on the table.

It does, and even an anti-gun person such as myself things those are legitimate gun uses and that people who live in really rural areas in the U.S. actually need firearms in some cases. I also think people should be allowed to go target shooting without having to defend themselves morally about it. I don't personally like guns, but target shooting is fun and responsible gun ownership in this capacity hurts nobody. But I think with our society awash in guns now, that constitutional guarantee and the steadfast refusal of some people to think critically about the volume of guns has had serious unintended consequences.

I think you are probably right that this pilot simply forgot which bag he was using or that the gun was in there. I don't think that's an unreasonable assumption.

The problem I have, and I think that most people are voicing here, is that gun ownership and use is just far too casual. Casual enough that you can forget you've got a loaded gun in your bag when you go to the airport. This guy's a pilot, people trust him with their lives every day. That conveys a certain responsibility to make sure all your ducks are in a row at all times - particularly with regard to conduct on the flight deck and what you might bring onto the plane.

Any gun owner needs to be extremely careful and responsible with how they carry their firearms and most gun owners are. But in this case, it's even more imperative. Ceasar's wife must be beyond reproach, as they say.


User currently offlineseabosdca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 5337 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 5681 times:

Quoting scbriml (Reply 17):
You left out the significant word "loaded".

  

If the gun had been unloaded, I'd feel like DashTrash. We can be a bit gun-nuttish in the US, but at the same time a lot of the "OMGZ a GUN?!" hysteria from abroad is over the top.

But haphazardly at the bottom of a bag carrying a bunch of other stuff is not the place to carry a loaded gun. That's true even if you're just driving from the range back to your house. You should unload the gun or carry it properly in a holster or case. Very poor gun safety by someone who really ought to be focused on safety.


25 Post contains images scbriml : Yes, I 've tried going through security with a bottle of water in my bag. I've also belched at the dinner table in polite company. Both of which are
26 Post contains links YYZYYT : Robert Piche, the hero of Air Transat 236 (the Azores glider) had a prior conviction for drug smuggling... so apparently yes: http://wikimediafoundat
27 cbphoto : Preciously why I would trust him, more then I would trust some other nut with a gun! Again, people are forgetting the fact that their was no intent h
28 zbbylw : I am aware of this. With that being said I don't believe the guns are allowed to be loaded. That A320 that had a bullet hole shot through the cockpit
29 cbphoto : Wrong...I have flown in the flight deck with countless FFDOs and they are all loaded! What is the point of having them up their if they are not allow
30 fxramper : Anyone that is authorized to fly armed should check, double check and recheck any flight bag. You travel with the same bag you take to the range?! Th
31 DashTrash : I agree with you, partly. I always had my stuff ready to go the night before. If you're packing the day you're leaving and too tired to pack properly
32 danielmyatt : I don't think people are, and it shouldn't make any difference whether there was intent or not, he still took a loaded gun on board a plane without a
33 DocLightning : No. But to unwittingly carry a loaded weapon is called "carelessness." Carelessness is not a quality I want in the pilot flying my plane. One does no
34 fr8mech : Yup, when you run a red light, you stand a significant chance of hurting someone. When you leave a loaded handgun in your bag, you have a loaded hand
35 copter808 : Tell me please, what good is an UNloaded gun? Uh, please wait Mr. Cockpit Intruder, gotta put the bullets in my gun!! Might as well be carrying a bri
36 PHLJJS : Forgive him. His government took away or severely restricted his gun rights a long time ago. Back on topic... This pilot made a mistake. A big mistak
37 flyingclrs727 : This is stupid. Pilots should be allowed to carry handguns onboard. If you can't trust them wth handguns, how can you trust them in the cockpit of an
38 A320ajm : For all of you saying he should simply be forgiven, have you considered what would have happened if somehow the gun had been discharged mid-flight, ca
39 Post contains images fxramper : This guy isn't even an FFDO? He's toast. He works for a terrible airline that will gladly unload his salary to help their bottom line. Agreed 100%. NY
40 bthebest : Precisely. The circumstances around this incident are just facts. The point is, as a pilot he is expected to display a level of responsibility at all
41 dashman : I find the other side of he Atlantic cradle to grave government provides all mentality a bit mystifying. But that is how ya all want to live so that
42 A320ajm : It's not mystifying really, we have a good welfare system; If you are ill, you get free healthcare, if you don't have a job, you get support, if you
43 ScottishDavie : Sorry but I can't help myself here. Does it never, ever occur to you that the main reason why you have so much gun crime in the US is because you hav
44 Newark727 : You make this sound as if it's beyond reproach as a legal interpretation now. Sadly it probably is, but it wasn't necessarily always this way, even f
45 zbbylw : A320ajm, I have discussed this with many of Americans over the years. They are scared of the "S" word being socialism. Some are very open to socialis
46 DocLightning : As did the surgeon who amputated the wrong leg. As did the pilots on AF 447 (and EA 401 and a few others). So did the guy who looked down the barrel
47 Acey559 : No. At least not me. I think the welfare mentality we have in the US now is sickening and needs to end. And the reason we have the best healthcare sy
48 DashTrash : Guns don't discharge themselves. That's great! Who pays for it though? It's not free. Nope. To me a gun is a tool that I use to do some sort of a job
49 cbphoto : You know something that no one gets, neither the Government, the TSA or the general public? Pilots don't need liquids, or guns, or any other weapons t
50 Post contains links DocLightning : Not as such, no. But... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accidental_discharge It is not inconceivable that movement of contents within the pilot's bag co
51 scbriml : So, worst case, you or someone else, rummages around in your bag cuts their hand. A very different worst-case scenario is possible with a loaded gun
52 DashTrash : I'm fully aware of what an accidental discharge is. The majority of us who take our sport seriously do not recognize them as legitimate. We refer to
53 PHLJJS : You're absolutely right. NYC has nothing to do with this. I was speaking of New York as in the state in which Buffalo in located in. It is likely, bu
54 727forever : It is very unfortunate that this pilots career has been put into extreme jeopardy over a simple mistake. For those who think he shouldn't have the rig
55 jamake1 : As an American, I wholeheartedly concur with the European view of the gun culture in the USA. ScottishDavis is correct; the gun crime statistics in A
56 Newark727 : I'm sorry but I'm going to need a bit of explanation on this one. Are you saying that armed civilian resistance against established government securi
57 ASFlyer : Famous last words.
58 Post contains images DashTrash : Hop on over there, then. If the Second Amendment were dropped, gun crime would increase. Law abiding citizens would abide by the law, and go unarmed.
59 bestwestern : This guy tried to bring a loaded gun through security. The TSA harass kids, yet adults who bring a gun should get a hall pass? How can you forget a gu
60 Post contains links tugger : Look, all the arguments regarding the right to private gun ownership etc are. completely pointless. It has nothing to do with what happened. Why is it
61 Post contains images seabosdca : Sorry, that's not going to wash. Stuff in a bag could easily wedge inside a trigger guard and apply considerable pressure. It's just dumb luck that t
62 jamake1 : You're dead (no pun) wrong about that. There has been plenty of research on the subject and the gun crime stats in this country speak for themselves.
63 DocLightning : Whoever catches that bullet in the head isn't going to care whether you semantically call it "negligent" or "accidental." "Accidents" aren't necessar
64 bthebest : When ever anyone makes this comment they forget there are always 2 pilots on a flight. Before a rogue pilot can first do any serious damage he would
65 aeroblogger : Wearing t-shirts causes gun crime! who knew? Wouldn't waiting for the other pilot to go to the loo be a better option than incapacitating him/her? Ag
66 Post contains links A320ajm : I know this isn't directly related to the thread but I'm sorry but I cannot simply let this go. America does not have the best healthcare system in t
67 Post contains links fr8mech : Doc, it's been stated, but I'll say it again: those of us that take this activity seriously do not accept 'accidental discharge' as a valid descripto
68 Acey559 : No, there are a handful of airports (at least with the airline I fly for) that we can bypass security, although they are typically smaller airports.
69 A320ajm : I am really surprised by this! Surely this is a massive security risk? When I was in the Air Training Corps, we accepted that weapons can discharge a
70 DashTrash : Not germane to the thread, but I'll spell it out anyway. I shoot an M1 Garand. If I set up on my shooting bench, muzzle downrange, range hot, slam th
71 Post contains images DocLightning : Fine, "negligent." For the purposes of this discussion it is not an important difference. We can go back to the top and call leaving a loaded weapon
72 XFSUgimpLB41X : The pilot in question is going through a nasty divorce right now. It has happened in the past where a vindictive wife has hidden contraband in their h
73 danielmyatt : He didn't dig far into the bag EIGHT times?
74 DocLightning : You can say that with 100.0% certainty?
75 XFSUgimpLB41X : Nothing is ever 100%, but the likelihood of self discharge would be significantly less than that of winning the lottery. It is a revolver, so you hav
76 rcair1 : Suggest this thread be moved to non-aviation forum. It is clearly not about Civ Aviation any more.
77 DocLightning : Do you know what an "incident pit" is?
78 copter808 : I was going to mention that too..I was wondering how the discussion here would go if it had been a carpenter who left a hammer in his bag. Gosh, I ca
79 A320ajm : A carpenter needs a hammer to do his job. A pilot simply does not need a gun to do his. The pilot was in the wrong. A320ajm
80 silentbob : Every crew member has to clear a background check before they get their job. And if this was such a significant risk, where are all of the incidents
81 Newark727 : An unscrupulous armed force considering every person in a civilian street a potential threat just sounds like a recipe for massive human suffering, n
82 bestwestern : Thats an excuse for carrying a loaded gun onto an aircraft? However, with family kidnappings to get someone to do something or pass the gun / knife /
83 PHLJJS : Why don't you go back and read the rest of his post? He was raising the possibility that the pilots estranged wife put the gun in the bag to get her
84 bestwestern : Sorry officer - i didn't know there was a gun in my bag... someone else put it there.... Air crew of all people should know the responsibility lies w
85 DashTrash : Easier said than done at this airline. They limit your sick calls and trip trading is damn near impossible. Has been for years. We also don't know th
86 XFSUgimpLB41X : I know personally a pilot who's wife hid shotgun shells in his bag in order to get him arrested going through security to better her case for child c
87 srbmod : If users cannot keep the discussion civil, this thread will be locked. This is the ONE and ONLY warning that will be given.
88 moose135 : And I'm wondering how the discussion would have gone if it were a passenger who left a loaded gun in his bag going through security. I suspect there
89 danielmyatt : Nah, it'd be fine if they were going through a messy divorce and he was a good guy. I'm sure the security guards would understand that it was just an
90 JJJ : Yes we do. Laws are generally tougher, but millions of Europeans own guns.
91 A320ajm : When a passenger checks in they specifically ask you at the check-in desk: Has your bag been left alone, in which someone could have placed something
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