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Could An Articulated School Bus Work?  
User currently offline747400sp From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3510 posts, RR: 2
Posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 1868 times:

I was wondering today, with all the school buses on the road, why there no articulated school buses, and I wonder, could an articulated version of the Blue Bird All America DX3 RE, Thomas Saf-T-Liner HDX and IC 3000, work?
A school district like Los Angeles Unified or MIA, could use such a school bus, and most Type D school buses, can houses Cummins ISL G, which powers a lot of articulated transit buses, so is this a good ideal?

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User currently offlineflyboyseven From Canada, joined Feb 2007, 904 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 1774 times:

My understanding is that while technically it would work to make an articulated school bus it would be impractical. I think it would simply be to much capacity and would take to long to pick up that many kids. There is a small window of an hour or two before school when all the kids have to be picked up, and the same at the end of the day. Now I am from outside a mid sized town so it might be different than a big city, but it took about 2 hours to fill the bus and get to the school from picking up the first to the last kid. If you had a bigger bus it would take a longer time fill it up, and then it just gets silly how long the kids would have to sit on the bus. Also, on a school bus, especially one with younger kids, the driver is much much more involved in supervising the passengers than on a regular bus, and that becomes very difficult with an articulated bus.

Just my 2 cents

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User currently offlineseb146 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 11536 posts, RR: 15
Reply 2, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 1767 times:

Quoting flyboyseven (Reply 1):
the driver is much much more involved in supervising the passengers than on a regular bus, and that becomes very difficult with an articulated bus.

Can you imagein how torn up the very back section of that bus would be?

There is also the problem of turning radius. Those buses have to go down some pretty narrow streets and negotiate some pretty small spaces. Practical as it may seem, I just don't think it would work.



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User currently offlineflyingturtle From Switzerland, joined Oct 2011, 2331 posts, RR: 13
Reply 3, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 1764 times:

How many doors does a typical U.S. school bus have? Two?

How many doors does a public transport bus have? Often three, or four (if it is articulated):



Passengers enter and leave the latter bus fairly quickly. Long-distance coaches have two doors only, but more (and more comfortable) seats. But then, it isn't suited to stop every 1500 ft.

Then, how fine is the route network? That reduces the choice of possible buses in terms of size.



Just my thoughts...


David

[Edited 2012-05-22 08:31:12]


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User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6447 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 1716 times:

Quoting flyingturtle (Reply 3):
How many doors does a typical U.S. school bus have? Two?

How many doors does a public transport bus have? Often three, or four (if it is articulated):



Passengers enter and leave the latter bus fairly quickly. Long-distance coaches have two doors only, but more (and more comfortable) seats. But then, it isn't suited to stop every 1500 ft.

Then, how fine is the route network? That reduces the choice of possible buses in terms of size.



Just my thoughts...


David

Actually, here in the United States, 40-foot transit buses usually have two doors, while articulated buses have either two or three. Typically, the preferred layout for transit buses in North America today is a low-floor layout with elevated rear section, unlike in Europe where full low-floor is preferred. The reason is because full low-floor buses are more difficult to maintain due their engine layout, and the North American transit market is all about serviceability and longetivity. Past attempts at selling full low-floor buses in North America (such as the Orion VI bus) have all failed miserably.

Typically, transit authorities in North America keep their buses in service for at least 12 years, while in Europe, transit authorities generally keep their buses in service for no more than 7 years.

As for school buses, most I have seen have only one door (not counting emergency exits), although I have seen a few transit-style school buses with two.

[Edited 2012-05-22 11:53:05]


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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19420 posts, RR: 58
Reply 5, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 1670 times:

Quoting flyingturtle (Reply 3):
How many doors does a typical U.S. school bus have? Two?

One, plus the emergency exit in the rear.


User currently offline747400sp From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3510 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 1628 times:

Quoting seb146 (Reply 2):
There is also the problem of turning radius. Those buses have to go down some pretty narrow streets and negotiate some pretty small spaces. Practical as it may seem, I just don't think it would work.




Oh, you preaching to choir, when you tell me that. I prefer Type D (transits) with front engines, when I have to turn in a tight area. I do not like to making tight turn in nose school buses ( conventional) and even though I have done it, but I had to make, few back up's, and you can forget rear engine Type Ds in a tight turn, talk about a headache.


Now an articulated school bus, could be used for transporting High school students from multiple major stop to their High school, in very big city. Now take in mind, that three companies, Crown, Gillig and Thomas Built, all built tandem axles (10 wheeler, as I call them)school buses. Crown with their 90 passenger Supercoach, Gillig with their I believe, 92+ passenger Tranisit style bus and Thomas Built early 90's, 90 passenger Westcoast Edition Saf-T-Liner.

I would think, these yellow gaints, would be hard to turn in tight places, with those double axles in the back. The largest I have drivine, was a 72 passenger 1996 Blue Bird All American RE, (40 foot I believe) so I would not know how a tandem axles bus drives.



PS: I wanted to tell my experenice with tight turns as I did about.


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