I understand opinions and all, but I'm confused. Is this truly what is teaching our children? I have no kids, nor do I plan to, but I have never been in a classroom where one can't distinguish who is in charge! And the message? Talk about an agenda. Teachers with a 7th grade mentality shouting down students with a 10th grade mentality seems messed up.
fr8mech From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 4265 posts, RR: 12 Reply 2, posted (1 year 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 1163 times:
Quoting Aeri28 (Reply 1): there are over 3 million public school teachers in the US (according to the census).
He's not impugning the entire profession.
I read about this earlier, but hadn't heard the the actual exchange.
Boy, really, who is in control in this class? First, politics aside, this teacher really needs to learn to control her emotions, so that she can control the class. The kids clearly know what buttons to push.
And, I can't believe that this teacher actually believes that people were arrested for "saying things bad about Bush..."
"People were arrested for saying derogatory things about Bush."
What a woefully misinformed person. I'd like to know of anyone that was arrested for saying bad things about Mr. Bush.
"...but, they don't read your rights to you every time you're arrested..."
And, you get to not go to jail when that happens.
"As a Social Studies teacher, I can not allow you to slander any president...in here..."
Nice...she needs to learn the difference between slander and criticism. I wonder if she was issued an Presidential Slander Patrol badge during one of her continuing education classes.
And, I love her distinction between a president and a candidate for president. One deserves to be protected from "slander" in a Social Studies class and the other does not.
All in all, not a great showing for this particular teacher.
I'm not sure I want to give kudos to the student, because he was clearly egging her on, but, let's face it, when we were in school, it was always fun to push an easily incensed teacher over the edge.
727LOVER From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5722 posts, RR: 20 Reply 3, posted (1 year 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 1154 times:
Quoting fr8mech (Reply 2): And, I can't believe that this teacher actually believes that people were arrested for "saying things bad about Bush..."
This is clearly wrong......BUT
After 9/11, there was a feeling that if you disagreed with the Bush administration,....they would paint you as unpatriotic, unAmerican..........I DEFINATELY remember that feeling. There was even an episode of The Simpsons that dealt with this feeling..
But again......NO ONE WAS ARRESTED
Now I'm wondering if she was referring to the PATRIOT ACT
DeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 5318 posts, RR: 47 Reply 4, posted (1 year 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 1150 times:
Quoting fr8mech (Reply 2): "...but, they don't read your rights to you every time you're arrested..."
And, you get to not go to jail when that happens.
Actually (and I should know this because I was a criminal justice major) I think there are times when you don't have to read the Miranda rights, you just can't really ask the suspect any questions. Perhaps a lawyer could point me in the right direction. But yeah, I don't think she's thinking about the same thing I am.
As a teacher, I think she'd be the first to know different people have different opinions. It's obvious she's a fan of the President but the way she deals with this kid is unprofessional and as others have pointed out, she has no control over the class. I've seen some teachers more lax about accidental cussing, but kids keep on yelling "shit" and I could be mistaken, but I think I heard her say it too. Maybe not, but the kids kept saying it. Not that it bothers me, but come on...
fr8mech From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 4265 posts, RR: 12 Reply 5, posted (1 year 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 1108 times:
Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 4): but kids keep on yelling "shit" and I could be mistaken, but I think I heard her say it too
No, I'm sure that was a girl in the class. Otherwise, she would have been insulting President Bush, and she had clearly stated that, in her class, no president wouldbe 'slandered'. It really does sound like another girl.
Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 4): Actually (and I should know this because I was a criminal justice major) I think there are times when you don't have to read the Miranda rights, you just can't really ask the suspect any questions. Perhaps a lawyer could point me in the right direction. But yeah, I don't think she's thinking about the same thing I am.
I don't believe you can be arrested. You can be detained. But, I don't think they can arrest you.
Dreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 7789 posts, RR: 22 Reply 6, posted (1 year 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1049 times:
Quoting fr8mech (Reply 2): What a woefully misinformed person. I'd like to know of anyone that was arrested for saying bad things about Mr. Bush.
I'm pretty sure she is not misinformed. She was lying. She wants her students to believe that Obama is wonderful, and will not allow anything bad said about him.
I have a sister in law who is a teacher in California who does the same thing. I looked her up on http://www.ratemyteachers.com/ and http://www.ratemyprofessors.com/ and her students say she is so partisan it's not funny. Argumentative and condescending to show any sign of being anything other than an Obamabot. I've challenged her on it, and she crashes into me with this angry crap you see on Occupy signs. She refuses to allow her son (who was a volunteer for Obama at age 10) to visit her sister (my wife/his aunt) because she is afraid that we might say something that does not agree with her views - the kid is completely brainwashed.
And her school keeps her on, in spite of a lot of very damning ratings by her students.
Edit: Her best score on Rate My Professor = Ease. "It's easy to pass her class - just remember her opinions and repeat them back to her."
Maverick623 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 4744 posts, RR: 6 Reply 7, posted (12 months 4 days ago) and read 848 times:
Quoting fr8mech (Reply 2): "...but, they don't read your rights to you every time you're arrested..."
And, you get to not go to jail when that happens.
Sorry, but I crack up every time I hear that. Your Miranda rights only have to be read before an interrogation. Even then, the only consequence for not "reading someone their rights" is that any evidence gleaned from that specific interrogation is inadmissible.
For example, say you get arrested for robbery. The cop has you in the patrol car, and asks you why you did it without first Mirandizing you. Any answers you give cannot be used in court against you. But, if you get back to the station, are Mirandized, and asked again, any answer you give will now be admissible.
Quoting fr8mech (Reply 2): I'm not sure I want to give kudos to the student, because he was clearly egging her on
I'm not gonna give kudos either, but she had it coming.
bjorn14 From Norway, joined Feb 2010, 2776 posts, RR: 2 Reply 8, posted (12 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 845 times:
This social studies teacher (BTW has a Master's) has obviously not read the Bill of Rights especially the 1st Amendment (She is a government employee). You can only be arrested if you threaten to kill or harm POTUS. Some Miami Obamabot college student just got five years in the slammer for a "prank" because he wanted to get a response from Obama.
IMHO, this teacher should be fired but the unions will probably save her. At least she was suspended.
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fr8mech From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 4265 posts, RR: 12 Reply 9, posted (12 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 837 times:
Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 14): Sorry, but I crack up every time I hear that.
I know what you mean, but, you are not going to jail, without being mirandized. It's just not going to happen. I guess you can get arrested, but what's the point? You'll be released.
casinterest From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3283 posts, RR: 1 Reply 11, posted (12 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 812 times:
Quoting wukka (Thread starter): I understand opinions and all, but I'm confused. Is this truly what is teaching our children? I have no kids, nor do I plan to, but I have never been in a classroom where one can't distinguish who is in charge! And the message? Talk about an agenda. Teachers with a 7th grade mentality shouting down students with a 10th grade mentality seems messed up.
Pretty sad display of teaching.
I once had a Geography teacher tell us that anyone that wasn't a baptist was going to hell. Also thought the Cascades were the rocky mountains. Teachers come in all forms. There are good ones, bad ones, crazy ones, caring ones, and others just trying to get by.
Older than I just was ,and younger than I will soo be.
Maverick623 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 4744 posts, RR: 6 Reply 12, posted (12 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 694 times:
Quoting fr8mech (Reply 16): you are not going to jail, without being mirandized. It's just not going to happen.
It happens hundreds of times every day, often with D&Ds. Throw them in the drunk tank, wait til they sober up, then kick them back out with a citation. It's pointless to read somebody their rights if they are incapable of understanding them (which is why, after Mirandizing the prisoner, the officer will ask "with your rights in mind, do you wish to talk to me?").
Superfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 38512 posts, RR: 80 Reply 13, posted (12 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 691 times:
Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 15): This social studies teacher (BTW has a Master's) has obviously not read the Bill of Rights especially the 1st Amendment (She is a government employee).
LOL!
Hilarious and sad at the same time.
...and Obama is a Constitutional scholar!
Academia has become a joke.
Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 15): IMHO, this teacher should be fired but the unions will probably save her.
Yep and she'll get awards as well because she really works hard and is a good teacher - just like Elizabeth Warren.
Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 17): With pay. Where I'm from, that's called a "vacation".
Most people would simply be fired for that kind of behavior on the job.
Excuse me, but what sector has NOT become a joke based on what your apparent standard is? Nowadays everyone likes holding up singular examples that don't truly represent or accurately reflect whatever it is they are being put up to represent. And we seem to fall for it even after stating things like:.
Quoting fr8mech (Reply 2): He's not impugning the entire profession.
And we end up with what you, Superfly, are now stating, impugning the entire profession.
Tugg
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kpitrrat From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 135 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (12 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 675 times:
There is no place for politics in Education. Unless you are teaching about political parties. Not to mention that at the 7th grade level, this is totally absurd.
fr8mech From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 4265 posts, RR: 12 Reply 17, posted (12 months 1 day ago) and read 626 times:
Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 19):
It happens hundreds of times every day, often with D&Ds. Throw them in the drunk tank, wait til they sober up, then kick them back out with a citation.
I guess, I should be more specific...you're not going to bet 'booked' without being mirandized. I've spent an hour or two (or 4 or 5) sitting in the 66th, 68th, 72nd & once in the 62nd precincts, during my mis-guided youth.
Bottom line, she indicates that someone could get arrested without being mirandized. Though technically correct, chances are, if it's going to go anywhere, you will be mirandized.
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