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Is This Teacher Competent?  
User currently offlinewukka From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 1017 posts, RR: 16
Posted (2 years 5 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 2177 times:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p59MSsLv7Vc

I understand opinions and all, but I'm confused. Is this truly what is teaching our children? I have no kids, nor do I plan to, but I have never been in a classroom where one can't distinguish who is in charge! And the message? Talk about an agenda. Teachers with a 7th grade mentality shouting down students with a 10th grade mentality seems messed up.


We can agree to disagree.
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User currently offlineAeri28 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 709 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (2 years 5 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 2147 times:

there are over 3 million public school teachers in the US (according to the census).

User currently offlinefr8mech From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 5499 posts, RR: 14
Reply 2, posted (2 years 5 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 1980 times:

Quoting Aeri28 (Reply 1):
there are over 3 million public school teachers in the US (according to the census).


He's not impugning the entire profession.

I read about this earlier, but hadn't heard the the actual exchange.

Boy, really, who is in control in this class? First, politics aside, this teacher really needs to learn to control her emotions, so that she can control the class. The kids clearly know what buttons to push.

And, I can't believe that this teacher actually believes that people were arrested for "saying things bad about Bush..."

"People were arrested for saying derogatory things about Bush."

What a woefully misinformed person. I'd like to know of anyone that was arrested for saying bad things about Mr. Bush.

"...but, they don't read your rights to you every time you're arrested..."

And, you get to not go to jail when that happens.

"As a Social Studies teacher, I can not allow you to slander any president...in here..."

Nice...she needs to learn the difference between slander and criticism. I wonder if she was issued an Presidential Slander Patrol badge during one of her continuing education classes.

And, I love her distinction between a president and a candidate for president. One deserves to be protected from "slander" in a Social Studies class and the other does not.

All in all, not a great showing for this particular teacher.

I'm not sure I want to give kudos to the student, because he was clearly egging her on, but, let's face it, when we were in school, it was always fun to push an easily incensed teacher over the edge.



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User currently offline727LOVER From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 6501 posts, RR: 20
Reply 3, posted (2 years 5 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 1971 times:

Quoting fr8mech (Reply 2):
And, I can't believe that this teacher actually believes that people were arrested for "saying things bad about Bush..."

This is clearly wrong......BUT

After 9/11, there was a feeling that if you disagreed with the Bush administration,....they would paint you as unpatriotic, unAmerican..........I DEFINATELY remember that feeling. There was even an episode of The Simpsons that dealt with this feeling..


But again......NO ONE WAS ARRESTED


Now I'm wondering if she was referring to the PATRIOT ACT



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User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7931 posts, RR: 52
Reply 4, posted (2 years 5 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 1967 times:

Quoting fr8mech (Reply 2):
"...but, they don't read your rights to you every time you're arrested..."

And, you get to not go to jail when that happens.

Actually (and I should know this because I was a criminal justice major) I think there are times when you don't have to read the Miranda rights, you just can't really ask the suspect any questions. Perhaps a lawyer could point me in the right direction. But yeah, I don't think she's thinking about the same thing I am.

As a teacher, I think she'd be the first to know different people have different opinions. It's obvious she's a fan of the President but the way she deals with this kid is unprofessional and as others have pointed out, she has no control over the class. I've seen some teachers more lax about accidental cussing, but kids keep on yelling "shit" and I could be mistaken, but I think I heard her say it too. Maybe not, but the kids kept saying it. Not that it bothers me, but come on...



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User currently offlinefr8mech From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 5499 posts, RR: 14
Reply 5, posted (2 years 5 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 1925 times:

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 4):
but kids keep on yelling "shit" and I could be mistaken, but I think I heard her say it too

No, I'm sure that was a girl in the class. Otherwise, she would have been insulting President Bush, and she had clearly stated that, in her class, no president wouldbe 'slandered'. It really does sound like another girl.

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 4):
Actually (and I should know this because I was a criminal justice major) I think there are times when you don't have to read the Miranda rights, you just can't really ask the suspect any questions. Perhaps a lawyer could point me in the right direction. But yeah, I don't think she's thinking about the same thing I am.

I don't believe you can be arrested. You can be detained. But, I don't think they can arrest you.



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User currently offlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8866 posts, RR: 24
Reply 6, posted (2 years 5 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 1866 times:

Quoting fr8mech (Reply 2):
What a woefully misinformed person. I'd like to know of anyone that was arrested for saying bad things about Mr. Bush.

I'm pretty sure she is not misinformed. She was lying. She wants her students to believe that Obama is wonderful, and will not allow anything bad said about him.

I have a sister in law who is a teacher in California who does the same thing. I looked her up on http://www.ratemyteachers.com/ and http://www.ratemyprofessors.com/ and her students say she is so partisan it's not funny. Argumentative and condescending to show any sign of being anything other than an Obamabot. I've challenged her on it, and she crashes into me with this angry crap you see on Occupy signs. She refuses to allow her son (who was a volunteer for Obama at age 10) to visit her sister (my wife/his aunt) because she is afraid that we might say something that does not agree with her views - the kid is completely brainwashed.

And her school keeps her on, in spite of a lot of very damning ratings by her students.

Edit: Her best score on Rate My Professor = Ease. "It's easy to pass her class - just remember her opinions and repeat them back to her."



Veni Vidi Castratavi Illegitimos
User currently offlinearmitageshanks From UK - England, joined Dec 2003, 3631 posts, RR: 15
Reply 7, posted (2 years 5 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 1727 times:

She's only doing this because she's black and the president is black. Do you think she'd feel as passionate if Bush were still in office? HELL no.

It's a race thing.


User currently offlinewukka From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 1017 posts, RR: 16
Reply 8, posted (2 years 5 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 1721 times:

I was by no means denouncing the profession (thanks, Fr8). I was referring to this particular incident, in which case the class appears to be unruly, but the teacher appears to be MORE unruly.

Hypothetical: This woman is with a group of similar aged individuals and speaks like that. Most would either throw down the gauntlet (and get arrested according to her), or walk out.

Unfortunately, these kids can't walk out without repercussions from the school board. They are forced to "learn" this nonsensical drivel. What do you do as a parent after seeing this? Can you imagine what her tests look like?

Now you might wonder why in the hell you grounded your kid for getting an "F". You might actually applaud them after seeing this!

If my kid walked out, I would pat them on the back and question the school board as to how they let these agenda pushers in the classroom.

I had an agenda pusher back when I was in AP History back in the day (1987). I challenged him with facts that were in our textbooks, no cursing, no disrespect. I told him while calling him out on his factual inaccuracies, that I was, in fact, involved in politics and was volunteering for the Bush / Quayle '88 campaign (regardless how I feel in retrospect); He told me that he would "meet me in front of the school". What? Was he going to show me a new book? No. He threatened to beat my ass. This behavior is nothing new.

The lack of respect for the teacher is appalling, the lack of the teacher's knowledge and ability to maintain respect is beyond the scope of the English language.

Regardless, Aeri28, my question was, "Is this teacher competent?" This teacher. Not the other 2,999,999+, although after adding up those charged / imprisoned with assault, sleeping with students, etc... well, now we have a hot mess.



We can agree to disagree.
User currently offlinetugger From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 5676 posts, RR: 10
Reply 9, posted (2 years 5 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 1713 times:

Ummm... you know this could just be a drama class thing or something that is set up to impugn and elicit just the reaction it has. Not stating that may not be real but is there anything authenticate it or to think that it could not be something other than what it appears? I am sure I could create one just like with a "religious nut" or a "gun nut" or an "occupy nut" or a "liberal nut".

...... hmmm would be an interesting series of "productions" to create.

Tugg



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User currently offlinezrs70 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 3182 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (2 years 5 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 1705 times:

So sad that this is on the net. Did the teacher know she was being taped? So inappropriate for this to have been released.


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User currently offlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8866 posts, RR: 24
Reply 11, posted (2 years 5 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 1668 times:

Quoting zrs70 (Reply 10):

So sad that this is on the net. Did the teacher know she was being taped? So inappropriate for this to have been released.

Welcome to the world of social media and youtube. Unless you are inside your own house with the doors locked and nobody else inside, you can't expect a lot of privacy any more.



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User currently offlinefr8mech From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 5499 posts, RR: 14
Reply 12, posted (2 years 5 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 1631 times:

Quoting zrs70 (Reply 10):
So sad that this is on the net. Did the teacher know she was being taped? So inappropriate for this to have been released.


Why is it inappropriate?

Because what happens in a classroom is supposed to be between a teacher and the students? As a parent, I want to know what's happening in the class. I think this is a great insight into that particular classroom. This teacher allowed a student to take control of the class and manage the discussion. In a structured, controlled environment, letting the students lead is ok, but this teacher clearly ceded control of the class and only began to reestablish it towards the end of the event.

I want to know when that happens in one of my kids' classes. And in a larger context, I'd want to learn if it a pervasive problem.

If we (the parents, society, school administrators, etc.) don't know there is a problem, how do we fix it?



When seconds count...the police are minutes away.
User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39907 posts, RR: 75
Reply 13, posted (2 years 5 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 1600 times:

Sadly this is all too common in public schools today. I know people who are teachers and are exactly the way Dreadnought described in reply #6.
Sounds like this is more commonplace in schools today - especially in courses such as social studies/civics/government as well as history and English classes. All subjects allow teachers to take liberties and shape opinions of students.
This teacher had zero control over her class. Her students have zero respect for her as a teacher and as an adult. Her students were throwing out curse words left & right that normally would warrant a visit to the dean's office.
She is also to a hypocrite for allowing a student to slander Bush but she goes bananas when someone criticized Obama.

Glad to see that there are some younger students that are objective and can sniff through the indoctrination that many of these far-left teachers try to brainwash them with. Sadly many students eat it up and take what these teachers say as gospel. After all, they are teachers and we trust them to be knowledgeable and educate us truthfully right?

Here are some more examples of teachers indoctrinating to praise Obama and another reprimanding a student for not praising Obama.

When I was in grade school, I NEVER recall singing songs about President Carter or President Reagan.
I'm not sure which video is worse.
These 4 videos are disturbing to watch.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5UPFj8NCPY&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hcXBsftqSuM&feature=related

High school students being used to promote Obamacare.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-TPOyIl5oU0&feature=related

Here is a teacher bullying a young student because her parents were voting for John McCain.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSwgerG34s0



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User currently offlineMaverick623 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 5675 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (2 years 5 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 1526 times:

Quoting fr8mech (Reply 2):
"...but, they don't read your rights to you every time you're arrested..."

And, you get to not go to jail when that happens.

Sorry, but I crack up every time I hear that. Your Miranda rights only have to be read before an interrogation. Even then, the only consequence for not "reading someone their rights" is that any evidence gleaned from that specific interrogation is inadmissible.

For example, say you get arrested for robbery. The cop has you in the patrol car, and asks you why you did it without first Mirandizing you. Any answers you give cannot be used in court against you. But, if you get back to the station, are Mirandized, and asked again, any answer you give will now be admissible.

Quoting fr8mech (Reply 2):
I'm not sure I want to give kudos to the student, because he was clearly egging her on

I'm not gonna give kudos either, but she had it coming.



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User currently offlinebjorn14 From Norway, joined Feb 2010, 3574 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (2 years 5 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 1523 times:

This social studies teacher (BTW has a Master's) has obviously not read the Bill of Rights especially the 1st Amendment (She is a government employee). You can only be arrested if you threaten to kill or harm POTUS. Some Miami Obamabot college student just got five years in the slammer for a "prank" because he wanted to get a response from Obama.

IMHO, this teacher should be fired but the unions will probably save her. At least she was suspended.



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User currently offlinefr8mech From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 5499 posts, RR: 14
Reply 16, posted (2 years 5 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 1515 times:

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 14):
Sorry, but I crack up every time I hear that.

I know what you mean, but, you are not going to jail, without being mirandized. It's just not going to happen. I guess you can get arrested, but what's the point? You'll be released.



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User currently offlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8866 posts, RR: 24
Reply 17, posted (2 years 5 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 1506 times:

Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 15):
At least she was suspended.

With pay. Where I'm from, that's called a "vacation".



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User currently offlinecasinterest From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4673 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (2 years 5 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 1490 times:

Quoting wukka (Thread starter):
I understand opinions and all, but I'm confused. Is this truly what is teaching our children? I have no kids, nor do I plan to, but I have never been in a classroom where one can't distinguish who is in charge! And the message? Talk about an agenda. Teachers with a 7th grade mentality shouting down students with a 10th grade mentality seems messed up.

Pretty sad display of teaching.
I once had a Geography teacher tell us that anyone that wasn't a baptist was going to hell. Also thought the Cascades were the rocky mountains. Teachers come in all forms. There are good ones, bad ones, crazy ones, caring ones, and others just trying to get by.



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User currently offlineMaverick623 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 5675 posts, RR: 6
Reply 19, posted (2 years 5 months 12 hours ago) and read 1372 times:

Quoting fr8mech (Reply 16):
you are not going to jail, without being mirandized. It's just not going to happen.

It happens hundreds of times every day, often with D&Ds. Throw them in the drunk tank, wait til they sober up, then kick them back out with a citation. It's pointless to read somebody their rights if they are incapable of understanding them (which is why, after Mirandizing the prisoner, the officer will ask "with your rights in mind, do you wish to talk to me?").



"PHX is Phoenix, PDX is the other city" -777Way
User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39907 posts, RR: 75
Reply 20, posted (2 years 5 months 11 hours ago) and read 1369 times:

Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 15):
This social studies teacher (BTW has a Master's) has obviously not read the Bill of Rights especially the 1st Amendment (She is a government employee).


LOL!  
Hilarious and sad at the same time.
...and Obama is a Constitutional scholar!   
Academia has become a joke.

Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 15):
IMHO, this teacher should be fired but the unions will probably save her.


Yep and she'll get awards as well because she really works hard and is a good teacher - just like Elizabeth Warren.  
Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 17):
With pay. Where I'm from, that's called a "vacation".


Most people would simply be fired for that kind of behavior on the job.



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User currently offlinetugger From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 5676 posts, RR: 10
Reply 21, posted (2 years 5 months 11 hours ago) and read 1360 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 20):
Academia has become a joke.

Excuse me, but what sector has NOT become a joke based on what your apparent standard is? Nowadays everyone likes holding up singular examples that don't truly represent or accurately reflect whatever it is they are being put up to represent. And we seem to fall for it even after stating things like:.

Quoting fr8mech (Reply 2):
He's not impugning the entire profession.

And we end up with what you, Superfly, are now stating, impugning the entire profession.


Tugg



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39907 posts, RR: 75
Reply 22, posted (2 years 5 months 11 hours ago) and read 1356 times:

Quoting tugger (Reply 21):

Relax kido, there are still some good teachers still hanging on.  



Bring back the Concorde
User currently offlinekpitrrat From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 188 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (2 years 5 months 11 hours ago) and read 1353 times:

There is no place for politics in Education. Unless you are teaching about political parties. Not to mention that at the 7th grade level, this is totally absurd.

User currently offlinefr8mech From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 5499 posts, RR: 14
Reply 24, posted (2 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 1304 times:

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 19):

It happens hundreds of times every day, often with D&Ds. Throw them in the drunk tank, wait til they sober up, then kick them back out with a citation.

I guess, I should be more specific...you're not going to bet 'booked' without being mirandized. I've spent an hour or two (or 4 or 5) sitting in the 66th, 68th, 72nd & once in the 62nd precincts, during my mis-guided youth.

Bottom line, she indicates that someone could get arrested without being mirandized. Though technically correct, chances are, if it's going to go anywhere, you will be mirandized.



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