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Who Are The Worst Tourists?  
User currently offlinevegetables2001 From UK - England, joined Mar 2012, 93 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 2 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 5987 times:

Which people would you least like to find booked into your hotel? Who have you had really bad experiences with?

Come on everyone share you prejudices: be they nationality, race, class or gender.

 

Me:

British Chavs - I cringe every time I seem em. loud, drunk, national embarrassment. Why go abroad if you just want to eat, sleep and drink Britain. Stay in Britain and claim your dole.
Western sex tourists is SE Asia - Makes me embarrassed to be male. Why would you want to sleep with someone who doesn't want to sleep with you.
Upper class elderly Americans - Cringing cultural insensitivity seems to be built in on manufacture.


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User currently offlineWestJet747 From Canada, joined Aug 2011, 1830 posts, RR: 10
Reply 1, posted (2 years 2 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 5939 times:

Quoting vegetables2001 (Thread starter):
Which people would you least like to find booked into your hotel?

I'm going to pull out my hypocrite card here, but sports teams are the worst. I play for a team, and we have the police called on us for noise complaints every time we travel for games. We've actually been banned from a handful of hotels in cities around eastern Canada. I honestly feel really bad for the paying customers and hotel employees who have to put up with our crap.

Quoting vegetables2001 (Thread starter):
Western sex tourists is SE Asia

Ran into too many of these creeps when I was in Phuket.

A friend of mine used to work in security at YUL. She said that they would always pay special attention to males aged 30+ travelling alone from Thailand, Cambodia, etc. because they very often found illegal pornography in their luggage.



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User currently offlineplanejamie From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2011, 576 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (2 years 2 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 5922 times:

Quoting vegetables2001 (Thread starter):
British Chavs - I cringe every time I seem em. loud, drunk, national embarrassment. Why go abroad if you just want to eat, sleep and drink Britain. Stay in Britain and claim your dole.
Western sex tourists is SE Asia - Makes me embarrassed to be male. Why would you want to sleep with someone who doesn't want to sleep with you.
Upper class elderly Americans - Cringing cultural insensitivity seems to be built in on manufacture

YES! Completely agree, makes me want to burn their tracksuits/football shirts of just chuck them in the pool telling them to a) stop ruining my holiday and b) get a fashion sense (e.g. don't wear those shoes with that tone of jogging pant), wear sports clothes for doing sports or down the gym!

That and someone like Janice off Friends :P


User currently offlineCrimsonNL From Netherlands, joined Dec 2007, 1845 posts, RR: 42
Reply 3, posted (2 years 2 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 5834 times:
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Fellow Dutch people, depending on the area you run into them. They are usually loud and always voicing their opinion in Dutch which nobody understands and/or cares about. I try to avoid them when I'm abroad.

Martijn



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User currently offlineConfuscius From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 3829 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (2 years 2 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 5775 times:

Quoting vegetables2001 (Thread starter):
Western sex tourists is SE Asia - Makes me embarrassed to be male. Why would you want to sleep with someone who doesn't want to sleep with you.

Not exactly. Twenty dollahs, love you long time.



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User currently offlinePs76 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (2 years 2 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 5760 times:

Hi!

I would vote for myself. While not obnoxious or loud (I don't think) I am terribly cheap. I never support local business and always stay in chain motels and hotels, particularly budget ones. When wandering around a city I also always sneak into posh hotels and use their restrooms. While I was in Singapore and Australia years back me and my brother would even sneak into posh hotels and use their pool to break up a day's sightseeing. I don't know about now but security was pretty lax back then in that part of the World and we never had any problems and had some good swims for free!

Many thanks,

Pierre


User currently offlinepetertenthije From Netherlands, joined Jul 2001, 3353 posts, RR: 12
Reply 6, posted (2 years 2 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 5734 times:

Quoting vegetables2001 (Thread starter):
British Chavs - I cringe every time I seem em. loud, drunk, national embarrassment. Why go abroad if you just want to eat, sleep and drink Britain. Stay in Britain and claim your dole.
Quoting CrimsonNL (Reply 3):
Fellow Dutch people, depending on the area you run into them.

That pretty much sums it up for me.



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User currently offlinephotopilot From Canada, joined Jul 2002, 2718 posts, RR: 18
Reply 7, posted (2 years 2 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 5735 times:

Americans.... most especially in a non-English speaking country. They seem to think that shouting their request/comment/instruction louder and slower will make the foreign language person understand what they're saying in English. Too ignorant to learn a few words in the other person's language even though they're visiting a foreign country. The assumption that EVERYBODY speaks English, and EVERYBODY wants US dollars and not their local currency. That's UGLY!!!!

User currently offlineCadet985 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 1551 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (2 years 2 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 5720 times:

Quoting photopilot (Reply 7):
Americans.... most especially in a non-English speaking country. They seem to think that shouting their request/comment/instruction louder and slower will make the foreign language person understand what they're saying in English. Too ignorant to learn a few words in the other person's language even though they're visiting a foreign country. The assumption that EVERYBODY speaks English, and EVERYBODY wants US dollars and not their local currency. That's UGLY!!!!

Not all of us are like that. The first time I went to Israel, I learned some Hebrew beforehand so that I could communicate easier with local merchants, etc., even though I was on a guided trip, and told that there was no need to learn Hebrew. I've continued learning more as I go on more trips there (I've been there 4 times so far), and although I only ever remember a few basic questions, my numbers, etc., I attempt to speak Hebrew, and only ask "Ata medabear angleet?" (Do you speak English?) when I get to a point in the conversation when I am at a loss for words.

And Israelis really do - at least in my experience - love the American Dollar.

Marc


User currently offlinesomething From United Kingdom, joined May 2011, 1633 posts, RR: 21
Reply 9, posted (2 years 2 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 5676 times:

I don't think it depends on the nationality so much as on people's social background. You just think people from nations other than your own aren't so bad, because you don't really know what to think oft them. If you're British, and you see Chavvy people, you feel ashamed and disgusted. If you're in Cuba and see loud Argentinians, you don't necessarily feel the same way about them because you think it's an endearing, South American trait - or something along those lines. Even though they both have comparable social backgrounds in their respective homecountries. Just that you think of one as the deadbeats from the estate, and you think of the other as some nice, new exotic encounter.

I find lower class people in general off putting. Lower class not in terms of their socioeconomic standing, but in terms of their lifestyles. It is reasonable for me to assume I have zero common interest with people who get drunk in the afternoon, shouting along to corny music. I don't have anything against them, personally. I just wish to avoid their proximity.

Scum will be scum, and act accordingly. It really has nothing to do with race, ethnicity, religion or nationality. Except for East Europeans. They look funny to me. No offense.

[Edited 2012-05-27 17:00:35]


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User currently offlineltbewr From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13039 posts, RR: 12
Reply 10, posted (2 years 2 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 5661 times:

I agree with those who suggest 'sex tourists' especially those seeking children (under 18's) for sex, seeing violent sex, either make insultingly low or no payment exploiting very poor prostitutes, unsafe sex or to rape in countries with lax laws or enforcement.

Some others:

'Drinking' tourists. Americans between 17-20 (we have a 21 age minimum nationally) going to places with lower ages mainly to drink and get drunk, often with bad behaviors as a result. Various Europeans where alcohol is expensive or difficult to access going to places with cheap prices and less strict access, too many drinking to excess and with resulting bad behaviors.

Tax-dodgers. Going to various tax and corporate no or low tax havens to drop their riches to avoid taxes. This hurts the tax revenues of their countries of residence/citizenship.

Those with no respect for nature. I have seen far too many examples people getting too close to wild animals, cliff edges, hot springs, some bypassing safety structures or worse; that throw trash around instead of placing it in a collection container.

Those that commit acts of vandalism or graffiti, especially at historical or certain natural sites.

Those that drive too fast, too slow or otherwise show no respect of road laws.

Those who are obnoxious racists or sexists, belittle locals, or otherwise treat with no respect.

Those that speak loud, using insulting, obnoxious, filthy language.

Don't respect tipping 'rules'. This is a problem with many tourists where tipping is not the custom or included in a restaurant or other bill then go to places - especially the USA - where it is a custom to tip and not normally included in the bill and where the tips are an important part of the income of service employees.

Visiting sports fans - especially if the 'home' team wins.

Criminals who go to another country, do their criminal activities and leave before caught.

Religious 'missionaries' who go to a poor country to seek followers offering 'help' but at the cost of getting converts or groups like the Mormons who are looking for souls to steal in foreign countries.


User currently offlineNoUFO From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 7943 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (2 years 2 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 5616 times:

Quoting photopilot (Reply 7):
Americans.... most especially in a non-English speaking country. They seem to think that shouting their request/comment/instruction louder and slower will make the foreign language person understand what they're saying in English. Too ignorant to learn a few words in the other person's language

That's a cliché. I have seen surveys saying that American tourists are among those who are most welcome.

Quoting something (Reply 9):
I don't think it depends on the nationality so much as on people's social background.

   Those tourists are really bad, second only to some British students who spent some days in Berlin with their class, and were caught spraying graffiti on several residential buildings.

A category of its own, albeit mostly harmless, are dumb people: I once ran across a profile page of a British lady on virtualtourist.com who wondered why Berliners would not "repair" Berlin's Memorial Church's tower ruin. In other words this church tower:


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Another lady, I think from the Phillipines, wondered if she could see the Alps while in Dresden or if she had to go to Denmark(!) to see them. Granted those people, while clueless, can still be nice - and my geographical knowledge is limited, too.

Perhaps even the Canadian who got a free sightseeing tour to the next police station is basically a harmless and nice person - albeit totally clueless: He did the Nazi salute standing in front of the Reichstag Building, which, as you all know, accomodates the parliament, and where you won't have a hard time seeing some cops.

People ...

[Edited 2012-05-27 17:57:49]


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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7204 posts, RR: 17
Reply 12, posted (2 years 2 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 5616 times:

Quoting vegetables2001 (Thread starter):
Upper class elderly Americans - Cringing cultural insensitivity seems to be built in on manufacture.

Not to mention that they just absolutely hog all the traffic in Phoenix with their busses.

Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 1):
Quoting vegetables2001 (Thread starter):
Western sex tourists is SE Asia

Ran into too many of these creeps when I was in Phuket.

   I had no clue these types of people actually existed

Quoting ltbewr (Reply 10):
Those that speak loud, using insulting, obnoxious, filthy language.
Quoting ltbewr (Reply 10):
'Drinking' tourists

For the two above, I shamelessly admit when I was in Barcelona with my high school in 2009, we were such tourists- but on purpose. We WANTED apparently to be huge American douchebags.

Quoting ltbewr (Reply 10):
Visiting sports fans - especially if the 'home' team wins.

Oh...my....god....Detroit fans whenever the Red Wings are in Phoenix...THE WORST!!!      



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User currently offlinesomething From United Kingdom, joined May 2011, 1633 posts, RR: 21
Reply 13, posted (2 years 2 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 5590 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 12):
Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 1):
Quoting vegetables2001 (Thread starter):
Western sex tourists is SE Asia

Ran into too many of these creeps when I was in Phuket.

   I had no clue these types of people actually existed

Yeah, it's a new thing. Isn't common every third world country that hosts tourists either.



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User currently offlineSulley From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 524 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (2 years 2 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 5589 times:

In Orlando, the WORST tourists are the Brazilians. They act like animals.


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User currently offlineflymia From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7123 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (2 years 2 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 5580 times:

Quoting photopilot (Reply 7):

These days everyone does speak English  , but I know what you mean.

I really can't think of a group. Every group has their bad apples. I think one thing is age. Younger people will be louder but at the same time I think they are nicer too. Asian tourist in huge groups taking pictures of everything can be annoying but they are polite.

I am trying to think of what type of tourist is the worst down here in Miami. Nothing really comes right to mind. I'm deliberating between the loud braziallian or loud New Yorker. A 25 year old New York male. That might be it for Miami.

As for the tipping most places down here that get a lot of tourist have inserted 18% tip to all checks.



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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7204 posts, RR: 17
Reply 16, posted (2 years 2 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 5572 times:

I should add that some of the students at the English school at ASU are pretty bad, as they act like total jerk tourists....mostly people from Saudi Arabia who come to ASU. One of them a few years back was actually on a no-fly list.


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User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7824 posts, RR: 52
Reply 17, posted (2 years 2 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 5568 times:

Quoting Cadet985 (Reply 8):
Quoting photopilot (Reply 7):
Americans.... most especially in a non-English speaking country. They seem to think that shouting their request/comment/instruction louder and slower will make the foreign language person understand what they're saying in English. Too ignorant to learn a few words in the other person's language even though they're visiting a foreign country. The assumption that EVERYBODY speaks English, and EVERYBODY wants US dollars and not their local currency. That's UGLY!!!!

Not all of us are like that.

This statement shouldn't surprise you knowing that posters constant anti-American remarks on this forum. Purely anecdotal, but when I travel me and my dad always learn words and will thank them in the local language even when they speak English to us the whole time. I'll even learn a lot of the alphabet if they don't use the Latin alphabet (like in Greek for example.) But woe to me... I'm just a stupid American  



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39698 posts, RR: 75
Reply 18, posted (2 years 2 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 5511 times:

Sounds like most of you guys in this forum doesn't travel much.
The worst I have encountered have been from the Middle East. Some can be very rude, pushy obnoxious and worst of all, their entire family act this way with their little children being just as rude, bratty and behavior unchecked by their parents. Many don't wear deodorant either.
Then there is the bus-loads of Russian tourist that are far more obnoxious than the stereotypical American tourist. They get angry because no one speaks Russian outside of Russia.
Then there are the soccer/football hooligans and they come from just about any country in Europe.

[Edited 2012-05-27 20:16:13]


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User currently offlineAR385 From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 6133 posts, RR: 30
Reply 19, posted (2 years 2 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 5483 times:
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I do not like generalizations, but in the spirit of this thread, I will share a few stories.

Mexicans can be nasty. Specially if they are not very cultivated. I was once sitting at a bistro next to Notre Dame´s Cathedral in Paris when a Mexican family sat at a table next to me. The father and the noisy kids ordered their food. He ordered Boeuf Bourgignon. When it arrived, he got out of his bag a can of Mexican "Jalapeños en Vinagre" from Herdez, opened it and dump the chiles on top of the Boeuf Bourgignon.

I almost had a seizure and the French waiter you could tell he wanted to strangle the man. What´s the point of travelloing so many miles to experience another country and its culture if you won´t leave your chiles behind? Absurd.

Then you have the story of the Mexican who during France´s World Cup extinguished the eternal flame on the grave for the Unknown Soldier under the Arch de Triomph by taking a leak... It sparked an international incident, if I recall correctly.

Americans are touch and go. I´ve met excellent behaved Americans on my trips, people I´ve made friends with for life. Polite, friendly, culturally sensitive and overall excellent people. But then you have the average high school or college spring breakers, ugh. I´d rather not get close to them for miles.

Argentines are a tough crowd too. They make comparisons all the time and are very hard to please. They can be very vocal and rude and have a hard time understanding why things are not done like they are done back in Buenos Aires.

It´s all general of course. Scum is scum and you will find it everywhere as has been already said.



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User currently offlineNASCARAirforce From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3178 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (2 years 2 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 5459 times:

Quoting photopilot (Reply 7):
Americans.... most especially in a non-English speaking country. They seem to think that shouting their request/comment/instruction louder and slower will make the foreign language person understand what they're saying in English. Too ignorant to learn a few words in the other person's language even though they're visiting a foreign country. The assumption that EVERYBODY speaks English, and EVERYBODY wants US dollars and not their local currency. That's UGLY!!!!

Well I would like to get to Cuba some day, I don't know much Spanish - but then I would drag my Cuban girlfriend with me - maybe that could be our Honeymoon once Cuba opens up again

Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 1):
Quoting vegetables2001 (Thread starter):
Western sex tourists is SE Asia

Ran into too many of these creeps when I was in Phuket.

The Western Sex tourists saw the name of the place, what do you expect?

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 12):
Oh...my....god....Detroit fans whenever the Red Wings are in Phoenix...THE WORST!!!

Isn't that pretty much your whole arena since there are only about 50 Coyotes fans?

Quoting AR385 (Reply 19):
Then you have the story of the Mexican who during France´s World Cup extinguished the eternal flame on the grave for the Unknown Soldier under the Arch de Triomph by taking a leak... It sparked an international incident, if I recall correctly.

Are you sure you aren't think when Ozzy Osbourne took a piss on the Alamo?


User currently offlineAR385 From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 6133 posts, RR: 30
Reply 21, posted (2 years 2 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 5446 times:
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Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 20):
Are you sure you aren't think when Ozzy Osbourne took a piss on the Alamo?

No. It was really a serious thing. The Mexican Government had to get its Ambassador to France into a ceremony of "dis-agrriveuosness" for the French people. If that term exists, sorry, it´s just too technical-diplomatic jargon, but it was really bad.



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39698 posts, RR: 75
Reply 22, posted (2 years 2 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 5425 times:

I also forgot to add that Americans are ranked as one of the best tourist - second behind the Japanese.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2007/...tain-tourism-idUSL2273073120070523


I thought there were a lot of sophisticated travellers here at A.net but I guess there isn't. I get annoyed by Western tourist that only hang out in enclaves full of other Westerners and do nothing but sit around and people watch. On top of that, they want to start arguments about US politics and these aren't the Americans I'm talking about.
Sounds like we have a lot of these kinds here in the forums.



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User currently offlinebookishaviator From Australia, joined Jun 2009, 246 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (2 years 2 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 5415 times:

The worst tourists are the ones who travel the world only to see it in comparisons.

"You don't have [x] here..."

"Back home, we don't do it that way..."

"This isn't like back home..."

And so on. Sure, on one level it's only natural to use something familiar as a reference point in trying to understand something else, but that's not quite what I'm getting at here. A traveller needs to appreciate places and experiences for their own sake, otherwise why bother stepping out the front door?

Otherwise, I find the Travelling Drunk Aussie Bogan the most annoying and distasteful kind of tourist. I blame the likes of Jetstar and Air Asia X for spreading this particular blight around the world.



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User currently offlinekpitrrat From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 186 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (2 years 2 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 5400 times:

I am surprised I haven't seen more Americans this and Americans that....Hey, I agree we are obnoxious. But as individuals there are a couple of good American tourists out there, I am including myself in that group.  With that being said, I will say that Americans are the worst tourists! I can be honest about things and its true IMO. As Bookishavaitor said he dislikes tourists who say "Its not like this at home." Well there you go. Thats what they (not I) do. I have been to a few places and thats what I have witnessed, American tourists giving the locals grief because they cannot accommodate them to their "standards." The whole point of travelling is to see how the rest of the world is! Its NOT the same. However, ethnocentrism most often prevails in the mindset of that person.

User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7204 posts, RR: 17
Reply 25, posted (2 years 2 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 5646 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 22):
I also forgot to add that Americans are ranked as one of the best tourist - second behind the Japanese.

The Japanese are pretty much trained and conditioned to be polite as all hell, so this isn't surprising. We Americans have been routinely told when we go somewhere to be polite and to not make Americans look bad. We did just the opposite in Catalonia....for one day.

Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 20):
Isn't that pretty much your whole arena since there are only about 50 Coyotes fans?

Whenever the Rangers, the Canadiens, the Canucks, the Kings, the Pens, the Caps, and the Wings are in town, more than half of the fans are fans of the other team.....but I think after this season we'll see more. They're already predicting record season ticket sales- and i mean a shattering of the previous record.



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39698 posts, RR: 75
Reply 26, posted (2 years 2 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 5684 times:

Quoting bookishaviator (Reply 23):
Air Asia X



I had the mis-fortune of flying them 3 weeks ago - for the first and LAST time.

First & Last Time On Air Asia Bangkok-Kuala Lumpur (by Superfly May 14 2012 in Trip Reports)

Quoting kpitrrat (Reply 24):



..and there goes another one that doesn't travel much and yet make such broad sweeping generalizations based on stereotypes. The only place you find those kind of American tourist is at the 'made for tourist' resorts in the Caribbean or the ones that go to England as their 'exotic' getaway.



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User currently offlinebookishaviator From Australia, joined Jun 2009, 246 posts, RR: 0
Reply 27, posted (2 years 2 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 5730 times:

Quoting kpitrrat (Reply 24):
As Bookishavaitor said he dislikes tourists who say "Its not like this at home." Well there you go. Thats what they (not I) do. I have been to a few places and thats what I have witnessed, American tourists giving the locals grief because they cannot accommodate them to their "standards."

To be fair, what I was referring to was a type of idiocy that seems to be universal - I've witnessed it in many different places from people of all sorts of backgrounds.



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User currently offlinekpitrrat From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 186 posts, RR: 0
Reply 28, posted (2 years 2 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 5723 times:

Quoting bookishaviator (Reply 27):
To be fair, what I was referring to was a type of idiocy that seems to be universal - I've witnessed it in many different places from people of all sorts of backgrounds.

I know, I was not saying that your implying American toursits, I just agree with that attitude you were describing. I was just saying that that is what I have witnessed on my travels, and I would have to say I was quite embarassed for them and myself since I was around them when I saw how they were acting.

[Edited 2012-05-27 23:05:54]

User currently offlineCadet985 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 1551 posts, RR: 4
Reply 29, posted (2 years 2 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 5703 times:

The worst tourists I have seen don't fit into a nationality. A couple of years ago, I was in Israel over the High Holidays - the 2 most important holidays on the Jewish calendar. I saw a couple of people - their accents sounded Canadian to me, but I'm not sure - complaining LOUDLY that for 2 days, nothing would be open. Now, this is just me...if I'm going to a holy country, I research any holidays during my trip beforehand and prepare for them. So my worst tourist is the one who goes someplace - even in their own country - not knowing what they're getting in to. Example...I love Washington, DC...but am not a big fan of crowds, so unless I'm going there for something like an airshow, I'll plan my trip around any events, protests, etc. that are going on.

Marc


User currently offlineBongodog1964 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2006, 3535 posts, RR: 3
Reply 30, posted (2 years 2 months 20 hours ago) and read 5541 times:

Quoting ltbewr (Reply 10):
Don't respect tipping 'rules'. This is a problem with many tourists where tipping is not the custom or included in a restaurant or other bill then go to places - especially the USA - where it is a custom to tip and not normally included in the bill and where the tips are an important part of the income of service employees.

Here lies my problem with this, the dictionary defines a tip as an "optional gratuity for good service" if its optional how can there be rules attached ?

Quoting flymia (Reply 15):
These days everyone does speak English , but I know what you mean.

Try going to France and see how you get on , they may speak english, but few will admit to it, even in the hospitality industry, certainly snapped us out of "lazy mode"

I've witnessed some fairly appalling travellers over the years, most of whom appear to want everything to be just as it is back home, I wonder why they travel, why not stay at home and make us all happier people ?

I tend to avoid places where British chavs are likely to hang out, with a bit oif research this isn't normally a problem, as the media is full of reports of drunken behaviour by British tourists across Europe. On that basis the obnoxious ones are usually from other nations, and US citizens tend to appear as the worst. rarely by behaviour as US citizens appear to me to drink rather less than Europeans, and appear to be on the whole readily able to obey laws. The problem seems to be on the lines of "we wouldn't put up with this at home" be it the hotel bed, the meals, even the water pressure in the shower.
The result was that I had a vision of a litter free nation, everything freshly painted, marvellous cuisine, and a shower with water pressure that stung your skin. Then I went and visited the US for the first time !
I now realise that the US has just as many instances of litter, poor hotel rooms, poor service etc as we have.


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26853 posts, RR: 58
Reply 31, posted (2 years 2 months 20 hours ago) and read 5530 times:

Hard to generalise really Ive met good and bad in all places I have been . Brits/Germans/French/Dutch/Italians/Greeks/Americans/Canadians/Spanish etc.....

I would avoid the Spanish resorts of Benidorm and Magaluf etc... they are horrible and full of people I prefer not to mix with.

Alot of my vacations are cruise ship ones so you don't get many hooligans on those especially the off peak and longer ones.


User currently offlineAM744 From Mexico, joined Jun 2001, 1773 posts, RR: 0
Reply 32, posted (2 years 2 months 20 hours ago) and read 5486 times:

Quoting AR385 (Reply 19):
Then you have the story of the Mexican who during France´s World Cup extinguished the eternal flame on the grave for the Unknown Soldier under the Arch de Triomph by taking a leak... It sparked an international incident, if I recall correctly.

Ahhh... I remember that one. Who was that guy? Probably a son-of-a-politician dilapidating tax money.

For the record, I've found most American tourists to be polite and respectful. Sure, youngsters can be noisy but most of the time they abide by the rules. Family kids tend to be well educated and polite.


User currently offlineNASCARAirforce From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3178 posts, RR: 4
Reply 33, posted (2 years 2 months 19 hours ago) and read 5398 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 25):
Whenever the Rangers, the Canadiens, the Canucks, the Kings, the Pens, the Caps, and the Wings are in town, more than half of the fans are fans of the other team.....but I think after this season we'll see more. They're already predicting record season ticket sales- and i mean a shattering of the previous record

There are a lot of ex Detroit people in Phoenix. Probably they are Coyote fans during 78 of the 82 games, but when Wings come to town they are Wings fans.

It is the same in Tampa. I am a Wings and Lightning fan. Against other teams I go for the Lightning at St. Pete Times Forum, but when Wings come to down (which is only once ever other year) I wear my Wings jersey. When Wings came last winter - the Forum was 90% redwings jerseys and I recognized a lot of the people there that normally wear Vinny Lecavlier and Stamkos Lightning jerseys wearing Datsyuk and Zetterberg Redwing jerseys when the Wings came. Plus it also helps when the Lightning General Manager is a former Redwing captain and legend.

With the new NHL alignment Wings and Coyotes will only play each other twice a year once home and once away this coming up fall.


User currently offlineCadet985 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 1551 posts, RR: 4
Reply 34, posted (2 years 2 months 17 hours ago) and read 5330 times:

Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 30):
Try going to France and see how you get on , they may speak english, but few will admit to it, even in the hospitality industry, certainly snapped us out of "lazy mode"

One of my friends had a stopover in CDG. Now, I don't know how true this story is, but this happened in the airport. In between flights, he goes to get a coffee. He asks the cashier is they take credit cards. Her response, "Huh?" This goes on for about ten minutes, him trying to find out if they'll take his credit card. Mind you, he already has his drink. Finally, someone behind him in line just yells at the cashier, "carte de crédit!" and she understood.

Now, I know the European and Asian schools systems teach numerous foreign languages, but the American school system is not like that. I think anyone working in a major airport that handles a large amount of international traffic should have at least basic English skills...especially when "credit card" and "carte de crédit" are very close in terms of pronunciation.

Even before this, France was way down, close to the bottom on my list of countries to visit.

Now I did have an experience in Israel, where, if you saw one of my above posts, I had been told before my first trip that "everyone speaks English." One night, our group was in downtown Tel Aviv. Most people opted for schawrma, but myself and a couple other people opted to go to a burger place. My Hebrew at this point was horrible. It was my turn to order, and in Hebrew, I asked the cashier "I'm sorry, but I don't speak Hebrew, do you speak English?" She said she didn't. No one else in the restaurant did. So I had to call my Israeli friend who was also on the trip over from another restaurant to help us order. After he ordered, he looked at me. "By the way, she understood everything you said, she was just screwing with you."

Marc

[Edited 2012-05-28 09:27:12]

User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17343 posts, RR: 46
Reply 35, posted (2 years 2 months 17 hours ago) and read 5327 times:

Quoting photopilot (Reply 7):
Americans.... most especially in a non-English speaking country
Quoting NoUFO (Reply 11):
I have seen surveys saying that American tourists are among those who are most welcome.
Quoting AR385 (Reply 19):
Americans are touch and go.

Americans used to be the worst, but they ain't got nothin on the Chinese tour group.



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User currently offlineAR385 From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 6133 posts, RR: 30
Reply 36, posted (2 years 2 months 17 hours ago) and read 5290 times:
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Quoting AM744 (Reply 32):
Ahhh... I remember that one. Who was that guy? Probably a son-of-a-politician dilapidating tax money.

I don´t remember. But you are probably right. Maybe someone from Elba´s entourage.



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User currently offlinefridgmus From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 1442 posts, RR: 11
Reply 37, posted (2 years 2 months 17 hours ago) and read 5298 times:
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Quoting photopilot (Reply 7):
Americans.... most especially in a non-English speaking country. They seem to think that shouting their request/comment/instruction louder and slower will make the foreign language person understand what they're saying in English. Too ignorant to learn a few words in the other person's language even though they're visiting a foreign country. The assumption that EVERYBODY speaks English, and EVERYBODY wants US dollars and not their local currency. That's UGLY!!!!

I completely agree Photopilot! Although a couple of times in Germany, I had my little German phrasebook out and had practiced a few phrases in German with the employees of the small hostels I was staying at, all the German merchants wanted to do is speak English! They wouldn't speak German to me!

At all the other places, they patiently suffered while I butchered their beautiful language and a few even corrected me and replied in slow, easier to understand German. One place even fixed my sunglasses for free and thanked me in English for trying to speak German.

No matter how bad you butcher a language, your hosts do appreciate the effort and it goes a long way! Especially in the more rural places.

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User currently offlinevegetables2001 From UK - England, joined Mar 2012, 93 posts, RR: 0
Reply 38, posted (2 years 2 months 17 hours ago) and read 5281 times:

Quoting Confuscius (Reply 4):
Twenty dollahs, love you long time.

Not him he too big....



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User currently offlineLOWS From Austria, joined Oct 2011, 1113 posts, RR: 1
Reply 39, posted (2 years 2 months 15 hours ago) and read 5247 times:

Generally, I don't like anyone who gets in my way whilst walking. I don't care if they're from Freilassing. Just don't get in my way, please.

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 35):
Americans used to be the worst, but they ain't got nothin on the Chinese tour group.

Worst in Austria

1. Americans
They can be very touchy and in your face. I once gave bus directions to a guy who was from some suburb in Detroit who tried to give me a hug after I helped him out. Also, they always assume that everyone speaks English. Not just at the airport, but everywhere. So, they begin talking in English.

2. Japanese
I don't understand why they take pictures of everything. Not just buildings. EVERYTHING. One time, on a bus, I saw a Japanese guy take a picture of a machine where you validate your ticket. It was just a metal box.

3. Chinese
They can be very rude.

4. British
Loud, obnoxious. Trying to get from the train from Kaprun or Kitzbühel to the airport for their FR flight back to STN. Can also be very rude. Two weeks ago, I was at an outdoor bar and two male british tourists had to be dealt with by the police because they'd gotten out of control. They were trying to urinate in a small fountain. The toilets were 10m away.

I know a lot of people, and agree with this view to a degree, that wish that Austria in general, and Salzburg in particular, didn't have so many tourists. From April through October, it is the worst here, and I avoid parts of the Salzburg Altstadt altogether. A close friend of mine recently turned down a job here in Salzburg to move back to Augsburg. She said she just couldn't stand the tourists after 6 years at university here.


User currently offlineCadet985 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 1551 posts, RR: 4
Reply 40, posted (2 years 2 months 14 hours ago) and read 5214 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 35):
Americans used to be the worst, but they ain't got nothin on the Chinese tour group.

I HATE Chinese tourists. They take three steps on the sidewalk in front of some random building or hell...even a trashcan...then have to pose for a family picture.

Marc


User currently offlineOzGlobal From France, joined Nov 2004, 2711 posts, RR: 4
Reply 41, posted (2 years 2 months 13 hours ago) and read 5136 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 35):
Americans used to be the worst, but they ain't got nothin on the Chinese tour group.

Agreed. Chinese and Russians are the new 'Ugly Americans' and they have taken things a quantum leap further!



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User currently offlinetype-rated From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 4949 posts, RR: 19
Reply 42, posted (2 years 2 months 13 hours ago) and read 5105 times:

Quoting AR385 (Reply 19):
I almost had a seizure and the French waiter you could tell he wanted to strangle the man.

Seen that for myself! But it was the waiter who almost had a seizure! I loved the way you put it. I fell off my chair laughing!

I find the Japanese usually to be very nice. They may be hard to understand sometimes though. I find that they have a curiosity about everything they see. That's maybe why they take so many photos. They also like to bow a lot. If I see that they are going to do this even here in America, I'll usually reciprocate.

One time in front of the Palmer House in Chicago there was a large group of Japanese tourists lined up. They were taking cabs to their destination. They were all standing in a perfect line. When a cab came, 4 or 5 would get in the cab and then the entire line would bow before the cab door closed and departed. They did this each time a cab came and picked some of this up. Since they were all wearing business suits I figured that they were there for business.



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User currently offlinephotopilot From Canada, joined Jul 2002, 2718 posts, RR: 18
Reply 43, posted (2 years 2 months 13 hours ago) and read 5085 times:

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 17):
This statement shouldn't surprise you knowing that posters constant anti-American remarks on this forum.

I wonder why it is then that there are so many Americans travelling with Canadian flags sewn onto the back of their backpacks?

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 17):
But woe to me... I'm just a stupid American

Well, congratulations on at least being self-aware!! 


User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39698 posts, RR: 75
Reply 44, posted (2 years 2 months 12 hours ago) and read 5078 times:

Quoting photopilot (Reply 43):
I wonder why it is then that there are so many Americans travelling with Canadian flags sewn onto the back of their backpacks?

It's because they're stupid backpackers.   



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User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17343 posts, RR: 46
Reply 45, posted (2 years 2 months 12 hours ago) and read 5062 times:

Quoting AR385 (Reply 19):
dump the chiles on top of the Boeuf Bourgignon.

Almost sounds like an improvement 
Quoting LOWS (Reply 39):
I once gave bus directions to a guy who was from some suburb in Detroit who tried to give me a hug after I helped him out.

How did you cope with such a horrific experience ?

Quoting Cadet985 (Reply 40):
They take three steps on the sidewalk in front of some random building or hell...even a trashcan...then have to pose for a family picture.

I don't mind the pictures too much, although they show zero restraint whether it's the Eiffel Tower or say, a poor minority dressed differently even within their own Chinese borders. It's more the consistent lack of awareness as they steamroll right over those around them without any acknowledgement.

Quoting photopilot (Reply 43):
I wonder why it is then that there are so many Americans travelling with Canadian flags sewn onto the back of their backpacks?

Because those Americans are lame and think the world hates them and is just waiting to beat them up, when in fact most people (perhaps all even?) realize the American government does not necessarily equate to the American tourist.



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User currently offlineflyingturtle From Switzerland, joined Oct 2011, 2320 posts, RR: 13
Reply 46, posted (2 years 2 months 12 hours ago) and read 5049 times:

German ones have told me that the English ones were the worst.


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User currently offlineLOWS From Austria, joined Oct 2011, 1113 posts, RR: 1
Reply 47, posted (2 years 2 months 12 hours ago) and read 5049 times:

Quoting OzGlobal (Reply 41):
Agreed. Chinese and Russians are the new 'Ugly Americans' and they have taken things a quantum leap further!

Oh god, I forgot about the Russians. They are really awful. Transaero flies them in by the 744 full in the winter.

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 45):
Quoting LOWS (Reply 39):
I once gave bus directions to a guy who was from some suburb in Detroit who tried to give me a hug after I helped him out.

How did you cope with such a horrific experience ?

When I got back to my office, I changed my shirt.


User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7204 posts, RR: 17
Reply 48, posted (2 years 2 months 12 hours ago) and read 5027 times:

Quoting LOWS (Reply 39):
I don't understand why they take pictures of everything. Not just buildings. EVERYTHING. One time, on a bus, I saw a Japanese guy take a picture of a machine where you validate your ticket. It was just a metal box.

Japanese like remembering things.......and find that taking photos of the weirdest shit possible is the best way to memorize stuff. When I was in Tokyo, on a train, going back to my hotel from Harajuku, there were these middle school girls who were taking 100s of photos of me on the train....simply because i looked like some musician (which i kinda am)....and I was quite honored to say the least.



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User currently offlineflymia From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7123 posts, RR: 9
Reply 49, posted (2 years 2 months 12 hours ago) and read 4999 times:

My 5 months I spent studying in BCN and traveling around europe never had a problem being American. Most people wanted to know more. In Spain I fitted in well and spoke Spanish but even when speaking Spanish or in the other countries it would come up and I never had a problem. Most people wanted to know where I was from in the states, what I thought of their country and how much they either want to travel to the states or how much they enjoyed it. Those fake Canadians I don't get it. They are just scared I guess.


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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39698 posts, RR: 75
Reply 50, posted (2 years 2 months 11 hours ago) and read 5005 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 45):
Because those Americans are lame and think the world hates them and is just waiting to beat them up, when in fact most people (perhaps all even?) realize the American government does not necessarily equate to the American tourist.


  
On top of that, they only hang out with other Westerners and do the same exact thing they do back in the US - hang out in coffee shops & Internet cafes talking left-wing politics among the Euro-trash that don't even respect them anyway.
Yet when they return to the US, they brag about what an 'exotic experience' they had.

A lot depends on where you go.
When I lived in San Francisco, there were plenty of British tourist and they were very pleasant to have around as tourist. Yet here in Thailand, I've been exposed to the low-class soccer hooligans that I've never encountered in California. San Francisco is not a cheap getaway so that may have a lot to do with it.
The Americans that come this way are great and make it a point to understand the language & culture. Most are well seasoned travelers. Asia is a very expensive getaway for Americans so that may have a lot to do with it. Not to mention, you really are in a different world. Europe is just an older, dirtier version of America with more Mosque.    However the low-class Americans go to The Caribbean and a few popular destinations in Western Europe such as London & Paris. Europe is an easy vacation for a lot of Americans that don't want to get too far out of their comfort zone.


Hell on earth is Pattaya during Ramadan. If anyone has had the mis-fortune of visiting there during that time will know exactly what I mean.

Quoting LOWS (Reply 39):
I once gave bus directions to a guy who was from some suburb in Detroit who tried to give me a hug after I helped him out.


Aw, he probably just thought you were cute.   
Quoting LOWS (Reply 39):
Generally, I don't like anyone who gets in my way whilst walking. I don't care if they're from Freilassing. Just don't get in my way, please.


Sounds like you need to stay inside the house.
Otherwise you can just walk around them. It's a reality you have to deal with when out in public.



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User currently offlineelbandgeek From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 753 posts, RR: 0
Reply 51, posted (2 years 2 months 11 hours ago) and read 4965 times:

Quoting Sulley (Reply 14):
In Orlando, the WORST tourists are the Brazilians. They act like animals.

This.

My sister works for Disney and I'm a pretty frequent visitor so we have a lot of firsthand experience. It's unbelievable how obnoxious they are and don't have the slightest hint of respect for other guests. My personal favorite story was when my sister worked at Expedition Everest one of her coworkers was actually from Brazil and one day a tour group start causing a scene by shoving and cutting in line. They blatantly ignored everything the other cast members said and pretended not to understand English so the girl who was from Brazil went and thoroughly chewed them out in Portuguese. They shut up and got in line *very* quickly.


User currently offlineNASCARAirforce From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3178 posts, RR: 4
Reply 52, posted (2 years 2 months 11 hours ago) and read 4910 times:

Quoting LOWS (Reply 39):
1. Americans
They can be very touchy and in your face. I once gave bus directions to a guy who was from some suburb in Detroit who tried to give me a hug after I helped him out. Also, they always assume that everyone speaks English. Not just at the airport, but everywhere. So, they begin talking in English.

Wow first of all I find it hard to believe that an American would try to get close - usually Americans are known for being kinda cold and standoffish. When I work in the international terminals at either DTW or MCO, usually people from some other countries kinda freaked me out by getting really close in my face when they talked to me, where I usually stepped back because I felt they were invading my space.

I also find it surprising that someone from Detroit area (must have been from Royal Oak, Ferndale or Ann Arbor) was trying to hug you - people from most other areas of Detroit would probably try to shoot you instead. Us Detroiters (well in my case former) are known for being well... basically a great lakes version of a New Yorker.

Quoting LOWS (Reply 39):
2. Japanese
I don't understand why they take pictures of everything. Not just buildings. EVERYTHING. One time, on a bus, I saw a Japanese guy take a picture of a machine where you validate your ticket. It was just a metal box.

The Japanese are great tourists. Yeah they get a little annoying with their cameras but they are very polite and friendly when they come to the U.S. I remember when I worked at DTW a Northwest flight from KIX came in late, most of the Japanese missed their connections - they were cool about it, the Americans on that flight were the ones making a big uproar.


User currently offlineLuftfahrer From Germany, joined Mar 2009, 1012 posts, RR: 2
Reply 53, posted (2 years 2 months 11 hours ago) and read 4909 times:

Quoting LOWS (Reply 39):
Also, they always assume that everyone speaks English. Not just at the airport, but everywhere. So, they begin talking in English.

My job requires communication with people from all over the world. Remarkably, Americans are the only ones who ask me if I speak English before they start a conversation with me - although from the position that I have, this is likely going to be the case. They are also exceptionally respectful and easy to get along with in my experience.

Quoting LOWS (Reply 39):
2. Japanese
Quoting LOWS (Reply 39):
3. Chinese

Perhaps the second most kind folks. I think it's rather funny that Japanese take photographs of everything that comes in their way. I think I would do the same with technical appliances in Japan that seem unusual to me - of which I'm sure they exist!   

What I should add is that the vast of majority of those people are away on business, so they may be more well-traveled and culture-sensitive than the average leisure traveler.



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39698 posts, RR: 75
Reply 54, posted (2 years 2 months 11 hours ago) and read 4891 times:

Quoting elbandgeek (Reply 51):
My sister works for Disney....They blatantly ignored everything the other cast members said and pretended not to understand English..... They blatantly ignored everything the other cast members said and pretended not to understand English.....thoroughly chewed them out in Portuguese.



  
Ok what character was your sister?  
I now have an image of Mickey Mouse, Dumbo and Donald Duck getting an attitude and putting some hot but obnoxious Brazilian gals in check.   

Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 52):
Wow first of all I find it hard to believe that an American would try to get close - usually Americans are known for being kinda cold and standoffish



That is what I was thinking. After-all we have bigger houses and bigger cars because we like to have our space.

Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 52):
must have been from Royal Oak


Royal Oak for sure. He must have been hitting on LOWS and was pretending to be lost just to break the ice and get a feel to see which way he swings.  
Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 52):
people from most other areas of Detroit would probably try to shoot you instead.


LOL!  
Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 52):
Us Detroiters (well in my case former) are known for being well... basically a great lakes version of a New Yorker.



Don't insult yourself or your city. Detroiters are much cooler and down to earth folks that don't take any mess. New Yorkers can be very arrogant and pretentious.



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39698 posts, RR: 75
Reply 55, posted (2 years 2 months 11 hours ago) and read 4899 times:

Quoting Luftfahrer (Reply 53):
I think it's rather funny that Japanese take photographs of everything that comes in their way.

I've even found images of myself at a few Japanese adult websites......



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User currently offlineConfuscius From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 3829 posts, RR: 1
Reply 56, posted (2 years 2 months 10 hours ago) and read 4850 times:

Quoting vegetables2001 (Reply 38):
Quoting Confuscius (Reply 4):
Twenty dollahs, love you long time.

Not him he too big....

Superfly?!   



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User currently offlineU2380 From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2010, 325 posts, RR: 0
Reply 57, posted (2 years 2 months 10 hours ago) and read 4836 times:

Hmm, the one that came instantly to mind was Americans. Although, I think that's just cultural differences. American tourists are very rarely deliberately rude. It's just that I don't like being asked how my day is going every 10 seconds, it's very annoying. Also, the noise a single American can make without even realising is astounding.

By far the most annoying thing however, is the American tipping culture, which is slowly infecting the world. It is unbelievably unnecessary anywhere outside of the US.

However, upon further thought, I've come to the conclusion that the worst type of tourists are the antisocial hooligans that are mass produced in the UK.

[Edited 2012-05-28 16:22:10]

User currently offlineluckyone From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 2163 posts, RR: 0
Reply 58, posted (2 years 2 months 9 hours ago) and read 4807 times:

Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 30):
Try going to France and see how you get on , they may speak english, but few will admit to it, even in the hospitality industry, certainly snapped us out of "lazy mode"

My experiences in France have been far different. I have never had a problem communicating with people in English. As soon as one says "bonjour" they know you're not a native speaker. For a great many French people that I've run into, they find it almost quaint that someone even attempts to speak French, and it will never be quite right. Either way, as soon as it's obvious they're not dealing with a French speaker, most of them will indeed address you in English, with little muss or fuss.

Quoting photopilot (Reply 43):
I wonder why it is then that there are so many Americans travelling with Canadian flags sewn onto the back of their backpacks?

The small number of people actually doing that are as ignorant as those who think that Canadians are without their own obnoxious behavior.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 55):
I've even found images of myself at a few Japanese adult websites......

Now there's a pleasant thought...   

Quoting Luftfahrer (Reply 53):
Remarkably, Americans are the only ones who ask me if I speak English before they start a conversation with me - although from the position that I have, this is likely going to be the case. They are also exceptionally respectful and easy to get along with in my experience.

Most Americans who are able to travel are well aware how fortunate we are to have the "international language" as our mother tongue.

Quoting Cadet985 (Reply 40):
I HATE Chinese tourists. They take three steps on the sidewalk in front of some random building or hell...even a trashcan...then have to pose for a family picture.

That can be annoying. Not so much the picture taking, but the fact that they will indeed literally just stop in the middle of the street with no notice or apology, completely oblivious to this thing called rush hour!


User currently offlineKent350787 From Australia, joined May 2008, 962 posts, RR: 0
Reply 59, posted (2 years 2 months 9 hours ago) and read 4779 times:

The worst tourists are any who openly express base ignorance or uncaring cultural insensitivity. I don't care about the nationality and have observed it from many. I think Americans have copped it more than others as its wealth allowed mass international tourism - there are bad apples in any bunch. I may cringe at times at Americans expressing a narrow world view, but at leats the ones I've met overseas are exploring outside this.

And I think boorish people from ones own nationality are probably the worst overall/most embarrassing - unless you're unlucky enough to visit Barcelona at the same time as the ManU supporters club end of season trip......


User currently offlinesoftrally From Canada, joined Mar 2012, 81 posts, RR: 0
Reply 60, posted (2 years 2 months 9 hours ago) and read 4766 times:

Quoting bookishaviator (Reply 23):

The worst tourists are the ones who travel the world only to see it in comparisons.

"You don't have [x] here..."

"Back home, we don't do it that way..."

"This isn't like back home..."

Yes...My parents are like that. That's what makes it so annoying to travel with my parents. Seriously, they should respect other cultures and accept that they are different.  



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User currently offlinezhiao From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 394 posts, RR: 0
Reply 61, posted (2 years 2 months 8 hours ago) and read 4746 times:
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Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 30):
I now realise that the US has just as many instances of litter, poor hotel rooms, poor service etc as we have.

I think the US is ranked high in terms of its service industry, so I think you are wrong there.


User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7204 posts, RR: 17
Reply 62, posted (2 years 2 months 8 hours ago) and read 4740 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 55):
I've even found images of myself at a few Japanese adult websites......
Quoting Confuscius (Reply 56):
Quoting vegetables2001 (Reply 38):
Quoting Confuscius (Reply 4):
Twenty dollahs, love you long time.

Not him he too big....

Superfly?!

        



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User currently offlineHOONS90 From Malaysia, joined Aug 2001, 3000 posts, RR: 53
Reply 63, posted (2 years 2 months 7 hours ago) and read 4728 times:
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I'm sure quite a number of Korean tourists have caused some scorn by forgetting to tip, or having no idea about the tipping culture in North America, especially since there isn't one in Korea.


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User currently offlineKiwiinoz From New Zealand, joined Oct 2005, 2165 posts, RR: 5
Reply 64, posted (2 years 2 months 7 hours ago) and read 4704 times:

Having worked in hotels all around the world I have seen a lot. Often local dislike of tourists from a particular country results from cultural misunderstanding going both ways. But I agree with some of the previous comments that in general, tourists who travel with a totally insular mindset are generally the worst.

On a personal level, these are mine:

Drunken Aussies, (and kiwis but to a lesser extent). The bogan traveller is a scourge, especially in Asia. Now, I in no way condone terrorism, but when I walk through Kuta, in Bali on a Saturday night and see what goes on there, I shake my head in wonder at why the locals allow that to happen. I guess it in some way motivated the bombers there a few years back. Drunk, disrespectful, and completely irresponsible.

Older Americans: This is where the "insular" thing comes in. However I have some sympathy for the reasons behind it. Firstly, older people are more set in their ways. Secondly, Americans travel less internationally through their working lives than other nationalities, (for various good reasons). Therefore, quite often, when we meet older American tourists in a foreign land, it may be the first time they have spent in another countries

Sex tourists: Man have I seen some creepy stuff with these guys....yuck. And whilst we are picking on nationalities, I find most of them to be German, American and Australian

Rich Saudis: By my standards, very very rude. Spoilt, entitled brats.


User currently offlinefridgmus From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 1442 posts, RR: 11
Reply 65, posted (2 years 2 months 6 hours ago) and read 4674 times:
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Quoting Superfly (Reply 50):
Hell on earth is Pattaya during Ramadan. If anyone has had the mis-fortune of visiting there during that time will know exactly what I mean.

Fly, can you please explain that to me/us? In all my trips to Thailand, I just never made it to Pattaya! Thanks.

Quoting Kiwiinoz (Reply 64):
Rich Saudis: By my standards, very very rude. Spoilt, entitled brats.

Couldn't agree more Kiwi, but the Russian tourists, damn, they are by far the worst I've ever had the misfortune to meet. I'll take the UK hooligans over the Russians any day! They have completely taken over the Red Sea resorts in the Sinai and have even had run-ins with the US Army there on Peacekeeping duty.

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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39698 posts, RR: 75
Reply 66, posted (2 years 2 months 5 hours ago) and read 4659 times:

Quoting fridgmus (Reply 65):
Fly, can you please explain that to me/us?


On top of being very rude, loud, pushy and condescending, they are notorious for gang-raping and torturing ladies from the bars. They'll have 1 guy going in and get a lady to bring back to hotel only to have 5 - 10 guys waiting at the hotel room to gang-rape. I've even seen them burn bar girls with their cigarettes! Many bar owners will not let them in and some even close at night during Ramadan to avoid dealing with drunken Middle-easterners celebrating Ramadan. They're probably the only tourist that make the Russians look good. This only happens during Ramadan in Pattaya.
Otherwise it's little Moscow throughout the rest of the year. The Russians that have been living outside of Russia for a long time or the super-wealthy ones are good and travel well.
You should still visit Pattaya and it's not as bad as people make it out to be. Just don't go during Ramadan.


The so-called 'sex tourist' don't bother me. It isn't fair to dump on those old uys when just about all single ladies that visit Jamaica, Dominican Republic as well as Kenya are sex tourist too.
It doesn't matter to me if someone gets laid with someone across town or across the ocean. As long as no one is forced in to doing something they don't want to do, then it's no one else's business.

Quoting Kent350787 (Reply 59):
unless you're unlucky enough to visit Barcelona at the same time as the ManU supporters club



Can someone tell me when soccer season ends? It seems like it's year round!   
I played it as a kid and it was fun - when I was a kid.
I really do not like being around soccer/football fans when a game is on. The screaming and shouting over what I consider a kids game is just kinda silly.  



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User currently offlinecorocks From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 1213 posts, RR: 0
Reply 67, posted (2 years 2 months 5 hours ago) and read 4638 times:

For me it is the hippie European, regardless of the country, who is backpacking across x country staying in hostels and smelling like crap that seem to hate America so much that all they can do all day long is complain about it. I have had this happen many, many times before. The second we say we are from the US, they go into some rant about how America this or that...

On the flip side, when I have been in a 3rd party country and met Europeans that are professionals, have real jobs, etc - I have found them delightful. We can go on for hours comparing experiences, and getting along. Have kept up with many people from Europe that I have met on travels to Asia or South America.

Of course this is a generalization, but it has been my experience so far.


User currently offlinebohica From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2671 posts, RR: 0
Reply 68, posted (2 years 2 months 5 hours ago) and read 4633 times:

The worst tourists I ever dealt with had nothing to do with nationality, race, ethnic background, etc. The worst ones are those who are stupid, ignorant, and inside of an automobile. I used to live in the Washington, DC area and nothing pissed me off more than tourists in rental cars, or with out-of-area license plates who drive really slow, blocking the flow of traffic, to sightsee from their cars. I have even seen them stop in a traffic lane and get out to take pictures. They are very ignorant because they are too stupid to have half a brain to pull off the road and park somewhere to see whatever they want to see or to take a picture.

User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17343 posts, RR: 46
Reply 69, posted (2 years 2 months 5 hours ago) and read 4629 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 66):
just about all single ladies that visit Jamaica, Dominican Republic as well as Kenya are sex tourist too.

And the Gambia, where I sat confused (briefly) on the beach watching these dowdy, frumpy older white women walking with these Adonis-like young black men. I thought "wow these couples are all so progressive...ooooooooooh waaaaaaait a minute..."

Quoting zhiao (Reply 61):
I think the US is ranked high in terms of its service industry

 checkmark  That gratuity is a strong incentive

[Edited 2012-05-28 21:40:31]


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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39698 posts, RR: 75
Reply 70, posted (2 years 2 months 5 hours ago) and read 4640 times:

Quoting corocks (Reply 67):
hippie European.......backpacking across x country staying in hostels and smelling like crap that seem to hate America so much that all they can do all day long is complain about it.


No kidding. We have a backpacker ghetto here in Bangkok called Khaosan Road and it's infested with the backpacker, Euro-snobs and Americans that pretend to be Canadian with their fake Canadian flag.
I stayed there on my first trip to Thailand in 2006. My goodness, all they ever talked about in the bars & restaurants was how bad America is and how much they hated Bush and the war in Iraq. If that is how they spend their vacation, they must seriously be miserable people.



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Quoting corocks (Reply 67):
On the flip side, when I have been in a 3rd party country and met Europeans that are professionals, have real jobs, etc - I have found them delightful. We can go on for hours comparing experiences, and getting along. Have kept up with many people from Europe that I have met on travels to Asia or South America.


  
Amen to that!
I've made great friendship with people in business while working here in Thailand from all over the world and none of these nationalistic attitudes come out. It's mainly the handful of those on holiday that make fools of themselves.

[Edited 2012-05-28 22:13:44]


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User currently offlinezhiao From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 394 posts, RR: 0
Reply 71, posted (2 years 2 months 4 hours ago) and read 4610 times:
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@Superfly,

The thing is now, unlike 2006, is that there's the Eurozone crisis, so now those wannabe intellectuals have much less to talk about and more time to reflect on their own homeland. Trust me, they aren't talking about Iraq anymore!


User currently offlinezhiao From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 394 posts, RR: 0
Reply 72, posted (2 years 2 months 4 hours ago) and read 4603 times:
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And yes, those young backpacking white people always smell bad. They think they know it all when they don't and live off people's food and couches like roaches.

User currently offlineConfuscius From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 3829 posts, RR: 1
Reply 73, posted (2 years 2 months 4 hours ago) and read 4593 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 66):
They'll have 1 guy going in and get a lady to bring back to hotel only to have 5 - 10 guys waiting at the hotel room

Ten for the price of one, what a bunch of cheapskates! Are you sure they were not secret service agents?

Me no love you long time.  



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39698 posts, RR: 75
Reply 74, posted (2 years 2 months 4 hours ago) and read 4600 times:

Quoting zhiao (Reply 71):


Never understood why some people go through life without regard to personal hygiene. It's mind-boggling that many of them act so snooty, preachy and judgemental.



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39698 posts, RR: 75
Reply 75, posted (2 years 2 months 4 hours ago) and read 4588 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 69):
And the Gambia, where I sat confused (briefly) on the beach watching these dowdy, frumpy older white women walking with these Adonis-like young black men. I thought "wow these couples are all so progressive...ooooooooooh waaaaaaait a minute..."

I'm glad there is a place where women like that can go and get laid - cause I sure as hell ain't touching that!
They are progressive though. There was an American hippie woman raised as a Communist that met a guy in Kenya and had a baby there that would eventually come to America and endup in the White House in the United States.

Quoting Confuscius (Reply 73):
Ten for the price of one, what a bunch of cheapskates! Are you sure they were not secret service agents?

Me no love you long time.

I wish it was as innocent as that.



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User currently offlineSSTeve From United States of America, joined Dec 2011, 695 posts, RR: 1
Reply 76, posted (2 years 2 months 2 hours ago) and read 4527 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 75):
There was an American hippie woman raised as a Communist that met a guy in Kenya and had a baby there that would eventually come to America and endup in the White House in the United States.

If that were true, well then, awesome-- what's the issue? Maybe his father should've been a state governor? Perhaps we need an aristocracy.


User currently offlineKiwiinoz From New Zealand, joined Oct 2005, 2165 posts, RR: 5
Reply 77, posted (2 years 2 months 2 hours ago) and read 4525 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 70):
No kidding. We have a backpacker ghetto here in Bangkok called Khaosan Road and it's infested with the backpacker, Euro-snobs and Americans that pretend to be Canadian with their fake Canadian flag.

I know the place well, as it is also infested with the other scourge, the drunken Aussie lout


User currently offlineBongodog1964 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2006, 3535 posts, RR: 3
Reply 78, posted (2 years 2 months 1 hour ago) and read 4483 times:

Quoting zhiao (Reply 61):
Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 30):I now realise that the US has just as many instances of litter, poor hotel rooms, poor service etc as we have.I think the US is ranked high in terms of its service industry, so I think you are wrong there.

I think you are living in a state of delusion, where you believe that everything in the US is better. I have received excellent service in many countries including my own, just as I have received poor service.

To give one example, every where I have hired a car, apart from the USA you are shown to the car and asked if you understand the controls, and asked to confirm any existing damage, in the US you are given a key and a bay number and left to get on with it, is that poor service or no service at all ?


User currently offlineMillwallSean From Singapore, joined Apr 2008, 1239 posts, RR: 6
Reply 79, posted (2 years 2 months ago) and read 4458 times:

I don't know for me it depends where I am.
In the med its definitely the brits. The people we send down there isn't exactly Britain's finest...

Otherwise the Asian tourists are only a pain if there is a buffet at the hotel. They run amok to get all they can times three and preferably two more meals in napkins just in case. Same at airplanes, they love to steal the metal cutlery. Its hilarious. Otherwise take as many pictures as you wish doesn't disturb me.

The Americans - if someone just could make them stop screaming. I don't know why the entire MRT, restaurant, airplane needs to know what they have been up to. Some consideration doesn't hurt. Apart from that they tend to be ok. Usually not the Jimmy-Bob types from Alabama that travels luckily...
A mate of mine has a pub in Holland Village Singapore he usually lets loud Americans know that unless they start speaking like the rest of the patrons hell cut their tongue out. He always says it with a smile but I truly believe him...
Somehow though Americans rarely seem to be included among the other westerner groups and expats but stick to themselves.

Cant stand the robe dressed middle easterners that assume everything is for sale and always are impolite and rude. Not sure if they are from the gulfstates / Saudi or what, probably the lot. But I cant stand them and how they look down on Asians and others. Usually walk straight into me as well when they come walking with their entourage of three wives and two servants. These days I keep my elbows high and stare the man in the eyes to avoid a collision. Their kids tend to be completely uncontrollable at hotel breakfasts. The poor filippinas looking after them runs around and the robe dressed men doesn't care at all despite the children making them look like fools.

Add on those annoying WestAfricans we see all over SE Asia. Up to no good, selling drugs, cheating and constantly complaining and causing issues at bars, pubs and restaurants. Spreading HIV too. They also ensure I get delayed in every passport queue there is since half the Nigerians seem to travel on false documents or overstay their visas. Avoid queues with WestAfricans in it at all Asian destinations. Add on that they are cheap Charlies and always always need to have a debate about bills and purchases. I cant stand them. Funny because East Africans or South Africans tend to be decent.

Drunk Russians. Stupid people when drunk, big, loud and obnoxious. Almost wonder if it was drunken Russians that taught the Americans to be loud. All is cash for them and they believe queues are for wimps. I do enjoy the Russians when not drunk. Always good for a laugh and quiet beer at the pool. Often fit women and potbellied men.

Did I forget Argentinians and latinos in general ah well always thinking they are the centre of everything refusing to move and littering everywhere. Somehow they cant accept things like queues, order and take turns.

That was my stereotyping done...
feels much better now.



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User currently offlineSuperCaravelle From Netherlands, joined Jan 2012, 233 posts, RR: 0
Reply 80, posted (2 years 2 months ago) and read 4452 times:

I've never had negative experiences with Americans. In Europe, a lot of people have negative prejudices towards the US, based on the stereotype redneck religious zealot. We don't see these people (if they exist) around here a lot, so I see many European people being pleasantly surprised at the sophistication of the American tourist compared to their expectations.

For me, I mostly hate the tourists that only visit my country for the drugs. They are usually loud and in groups, and always annoying. Not really nationality specific, but Brits tend to visit Amsterdam while groups from bordering countries stay close to the border.


User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39698 posts, RR: 75
Reply 81, posted (2 years 2 months ago) and read 4448 times:

Quoting SSTeve (Reply 76):
If that were true, well then, awesome-- what's the issue?


Who said it was an issue? Politics aside, Obama is an accomplished man. My point was that it's unfair when some people give Western men grief for being 'sex-tourist' when women do the exact same thing in the Caribbean and Africa. In fact there was a movie that glorified this - 'How Stella Got Her Groove Back'. It was about a well to do female lawyer in San Francisco that got a young studly boytoy from Jamaica.
Just imagine the uproar if there was a film named 'How Stanley Got His Groove Back' about a man who went to The Philippines and fell in love with a local. The double-standards need to stop. There are many children that come from these sort of relations and some grow up to be accomplished people such as our President.

Quoting Kiwiinoz (Reply 77):
I know the place well, as it is also infested with the other scourge, the drunken Aussie lout


The drunken Aussie's are amusing but I understand what you mean.

Quoting MillwallSean (Reply 79):
Cant stand the robe dressed middle easterners that assume everything is for sale and always are impolite and rude. Not sure if they are from the gulfstates / Saudi or what, probably the lot. But I cant stand them and how they look down on Asians and others. Usually walk straight into me as well when they come walking with their entourage of three wives and two servants. These days I keep my elbows high and stare the man in the eyes to avoid a collision. Their kids tend to be completely uncontrollable at hotel breakfasts. The poor filippinas looking after them runs around and the robe dressed men doesn't care at all despite the children making them look like fools.

  
It can be really ugly at the MBK mall. I've even seen a kid that was probably 10 years old just trow his order of food at the young lady cashier at a KFC because he didn't like the taste. The parents didn't do anything. In fact the parents yelled at the cashier too as well as cut in line. I can't staqnd that place but that is where I buy my Herpa Wings and large farang sized clothes.  
Quoting MillwallSean (Reply 79):
Add on those annoying WestAfricans we see all over SE Asia. Up to no good, selling drugs, cheating and constantly complaining and causing issues at bars, pubs and restaurants. Spreading HIV too.

  
Why on earth do they come to Asia? I never interact with them in any business capacity and they're not in the tourist areas either. Not sure what they're up to.

Quoting MillwallSean (Reply 79):
Often fit women and potbellied men.

That's the way it SHOULD be!
I admire the Russians for this.   



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User currently offlineTripleDelta From Croatia, joined Jul 2004, 1117 posts, RR: 6
Reply 82, posted (2 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 4375 times:
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For me, the worst have to be people who drive to Croatia in weak, overloaded and old cars - and especially those who sometimes spend 12+ hours on the road (the finger of blame usually points to the former Eastern Block, but I've seen plenty of such visitors from Western Europe as well).

Minor issues are those tourists on the highways who - driving 20-year old caravans packed with everything but the kitchen sink - start overtaking lorries doing 90 km/h by going 100 in the left lane... where most locals do 130-150. Apart from making the journey more expensive for everybody - when you have to accelerate back to cruise upward of a dozen times - they also pose a safety hazard. Quite a few tailbacks were caused this way...

On the smaller regional roads, the problems are fewer since fewer people know of them - but again every dozen or so kilometers you end up behind a tourist driving an old clunker significantly below the speed limit and swerving unpredictably from side to side through exhaustion from an overnight drive. Usually, the situation cumulates when the locals in the queue behind lose it and start overtaking wherever they can... many a fatal car accident had happened this way (Croatian backroads are very hilly and twisty, with a lot of blind brows and bends).

EDIT: then again, the same can also be said for Croats going to visit their families in Germany, Austria and Italy, especially over the winter holidays (and Croats living in said countries driving back to Croatia)  Smile.

[Edited 2012-05-29 03:55:26]


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User currently offlineLOWS From Austria, joined Oct 2011, 1113 posts, RR: 1
Reply 83, posted (2 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 4369 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 50):

Quoting LOWS (Reply 39):
Generally, I don't like anyone who gets in my way whilst walking. I don't care if they're from Freilassing. Just don't get in my way, please.


Sounds like you need to stay inside the house.
Otherwise you can just walk around them. It's a reality you have to deal with when out in public.

  

When the walkway or, more likely street in the Altstadt, is 3m wide, and they are blocking 2,99m of it, where exactly should I go? Unfortunately, I have not yet developed the ability to fly.

There are whole parts of Salzburg that residents avoid because it is just too difficult to get around even after saying „excuse me“ in three different languages.


User currently offlineljw81 From UK - England, joined Mar 2011, 5 posts, RR: 0
Reply 84, posted (2 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4353 times:

The UK Chavs have to be the worst. They all tend to flock to the same locations.

Benidorm
Magaluf
Ibiza
Falaraki
Tenerife

Probably many other places too, but these are the hotspots from my experience

By the way, I am not saying that everybody who goes to these locations is a scratter, just that these places seem to attract them more than others.


User currently offlineoffloaded From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2009, 871 posts, RR: 0
Reply 85, posted (2 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4331 times:

Well as a long time resident of the Algarve (Portugal), I'd say you can't put it down to a couple of particular nationalities. Every nation has "chavs" and these days, with the relatively low costs of holidays and flights, tourism is for the masses, and that includes those at the lower end of the scale.

Sure the Brits get a bad reputation as being beered up yobs hell bent on drinking their way through the day, but is that all of them? Of course not. And at least they are spending money, and generally quite a bit more than some other nationalities. "Worst tourists" ... well a lot of our dear friends from Lisbon and Porto seem to think that the Algarvians are country bumpkins and when they get here in August don't exactly endure themselves with their superior attitude. That and their ability to make a coffee and a water last 4 hours! Some of the emigrants that work in France are really something else. They insist on speaking French and like to drive the biggest car they can find to show how successful they are.

Other honourable mentions must go to the Spanish who at times seem genuinely surprised that Portugal is a seperate county and to the motorhome community if nothing else for keeping the letters to the editors page going, as to whether or not they put anything at all into the local economy!



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User currently offlineus330 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 3867 posts, RR: 14
Reply 86, posted (2 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4259 times:

Quoting NoUFO (Reply 11):
I think from the Phillipines, wondered if she could see the Alps while in Dresden or if she had to go to Denmark(!) to see them. Granted those people, while clueless, can still be nice - and my geographical knowledge is limited, too.

Perhaps even the Canadian who got a free sightseeing tour to the next police station is basically a harmless and nice person - albeit totally clueless: He did the Nazi salute standing in front of the Reichstag Building, which, as you all know, accomodates the parliament

Geographical ignorance is one thing--that's a simple, innocent mistake. But the cultural ignorance is beyond that. The Holocaust memorial in Berlin is barely a five minute walk from the Reichstag. How stupid/insensitive could this guy be?

Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 30):
Here lies my problem with this, the dictionary defines a tip as an "optional gratuity for good service" if its optional how can there be rules attached ?

True, but that's not how it is applied in the U.S..Tipping in the U.S. is very much a cultural phenomenon. Many waitstaff get paid below minimum wage with the expectation that tips will make up for it--Americans know this, but not all foreigners do.

Quoting fridgmus (Reply 37):
No matter how bad you butcher a language, your hosts do appreciate the effort and it goes a long way! Especially in the more rural places.

True. Tis the benefit of low expectations.

Quoting LOWS (Reply 39):
2. JapaneseI don't understand why they take pictures of everything. Not just buildings. EVERYTHING. One time, on a bus, I saw a Japanese guy take a picture of a machine where you validate your ticket. It was just a metal box.

The Japanese don't bother me at all. Yes, they take pictures of everything, and tend to cluster in groups, which can make passing them on a sidewalk difficult, but in general, they are very respectful and often incredibly nice and friendly. They also do a lot of shopping, which helps the local merchants.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 70):
all they ever talked about in the bars & restaurants was how bad America is and how much they hated Bush and the war in Iraq. If that is how they spend their vacation, they must seriously be miserable people.

Some are like that, but not all. There are plenty of backpackers (I was one and still am occasionally) who are simply trying to travel to some great places, but don't have the funds to spend at nice hotels, and enjoy the occasional cameraderie of meeting other people from a similar age range. There are plenty of those who fall into the druggie/pseudo hippie stereotype who aren't the most educated, but there are also others who don't, and are just eager to see the world with open eyes.

Of course, I purposely avoided getting into any political conversations with people relating to the U.S., because I knew I would stick out like a sore thumb and have to defend my beliefs from people that were either less educated on the topic, or simply were so set in their views that they resorted to ad hominem attacks rather than attacking my argument. The only exception was when people just wanted an explanation so that they could better understand U.S. politics.

And yes, I've been to Khao San Road, which isn't nearly as bad as Superfly makes it out to be--yes its a backpacker and guesthouse ghetto, but it pales in comparison to IMHO the worst case of backpacker abuse of a local culture for their own means: Vang Vieng, in Laos. A pretty little town, and fast internet, but otherwise one of the most horrible places I've ever been to--a drug-fueled place filled with deadbeat westerners and other backpackers combining all sorts of pills and alcohol, and then deciding to go rafting in a river. It's a wonder more haven't died there given the poor state of Laos' medical facilities and the relative remoteness of the town (no airport, three hours by bus to Vientiane, and additional hour from Vientiane to the nearest decent medical facilitiy....across the border, in Thailand).

Quoting Superfly (Reply 81):
I've even seen a kid that was probably 10 years old just trow his order of food at the young lady cashier at a KFC because he didn't like the taste. The parents didn't do anything.

Characteristics of worst tourists:
--people who can't control their kids
--people who berate service people and low-level employees for things that are beyond their control and have no ability to fix
--people who do not do proper due diligence and commit culturally offensive faux pas or refuse to adapt to certain social norms that have a direct financial impact on the locals (ie not knowing the U.S. tipping culture--much has been written about it, it's included in nearly every guidebook) or on obvious norms that other locals respect (ie standing in line)

In general, I've found the worst tourists to be those from mainland China, with those from South Asia and the Middle East (including Israel) coming in second place. They tend to be very demanding and are super aggressive, with the attitude of its my vacation, and I can do what I want.

Drunk westerners fortunately can be isolated, and avoided since they all tend to hang out in groups or at certain locations that specifically cater to those individuals.

With me, not knowing the language doesn't bother me as much if the tourists in question are at least respectful and don't make a scene, and recognize that they are the ones that are at fault, not the local.


User currently offlineJJJ From Spain, joined May 2006, 1789 posts, RR: 1
Reply 87, posted (2 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 4246 times:

Quoting us330 (Reply 86):
Some are like that, but not all. There are plenty of backpackers (I was one and still am occasionally) who are simply trying to travel to some great places, but don't have the funds to spend at nice hotels, and enjoy the occasional cameraderie of meeting other people from a similar age range

Same here, still backpacking occasionally backpacking well into my 30s.

I already get enough fancy hotels when I travel for business, I'd rather get a closer feel of the country when I travel for pleasure (hostels, couchsurfing, etc.).


User currently onlineSOBHI51 From Saudi Arabia, joined Jun 2003, 3419 posts, RR: 17
Reply 88, posted (2 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 4208 times:
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Quoting Superfly (Reply 66):
On top of being very rude, loud, pushy and condescending, they are notorious for gang-raping and torturing ladies from the bars. They'll have 1 guy going in and get a lady to bring back to hotel only to have 5 - 10 guys waiting at the hotel room to gang-rape. I've even seen them burn bar girls with their cigarettes! Many bar owners will not let them in and some even close at night during Ramadan to avoid dealing with drunken Middle-easterners celebrating Ramadan

Do not believe how this statement is full of prejudice and with wrong facts.
Muslims including spoiled Saudi's will never come near a bar in Ramadan, Ramadan is 28-30 days long it is usually fasting during day time and praying at night. They can be terrible during the other 11 month's of the year but not in Ramadan, so please get your facts right.

Now if you can give us some proof about those gang rapes, cigarettes burning i would much appreciate it.

BTW Saudi's are not allowed to travel to Thailand, so that makes those statements worthless.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 18):
The worst I have encountered have been from the Middle East
Quoting Superfly (Reply 50):
dirtier version of America with more Mosque.  

No comment. More of the usual.

[Edited 2012-05-29 06:39:31]


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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7204 posts, RR: 17
Reply 89, posted (2 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 4204 times:

Quoting corocks (Reply 67):
The second we say we are from the US, they go into some rant about how America this or that...

When Obama was originally elected, that was the year I went to Catalonia for a few weeks, and everybody was like "Wow those Americans are lucky! They're going to get so much tax breaks." psshhhhh

Quoting SOBHI51 (Reply 88):
BTW Saudi's are not allowed to travel to Thailand, so that makes those statements worthless.

Where else can't they go?



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User currently onlineSOBHI51 From Saudi Arabia, joined Jun 2003, 3419 posts, RR: 17
Reply 90, posted (2 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 4197 times:
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Quoting PHX787 (Reply 89):
Where else can't they go?

Israel for obvious reasons



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User currently offlineCrimsonNL From Netherlands, joined Dec 2007, 1845 posts, RR: 42
Reply 91, posted (2 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 4141 times:
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Quoting SuperCaravelle (Reply 80):
For me, I mostly hate the tourists that only visit my country for the drugs. They are usually loud and in groups, and always annoying. Not really nationality specific, but Brits tend to visit Amsterdam while groups from bordering countries stay close to the border.

I completely agree! I can always recognize them at the airport. They are usually groups of young men from the UK or Italy, who haven't shaved in 3 days and have Amsterdam written on every piece of souvenir clothing. They always make noise and smell bad. I'm glad the government is finally starting to reduce drug-tourism. I'd rather have 3 elderly in Americans asking me if Denmark is the capital of Amsterdam then these guys!

Another thing that really really gets on my nerve, is when tourists address me in their native language (Usually either Chinese, French or Spanish), without greeting me and asking me if I speak that language. Lady, you're in a Dutch airport, talking to someone working with a German airline, you can't expect me to speak Chinese!

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User currently offlineslider From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6785 posts, RR: 34
Reply 92, posted (2 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 4137 times:

Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 78):
To give one example, every where I have hired a car, apart from the USA you are shown to the car and asked if you understand the controls, and asked to confirm any existing damage, in the US you are given a key and a bay number and left to get on with it, is that poor service or no service at all ?

That's a cultural difference as clear as day on display there: we're a nation of drivers. You rent a car, jump in, drive. It just is what is is. Plus, thanks to the VIP clubs and such, I can just go right to my car--a Godsend--without having to wait in another BS line. I love it this way. But if someone needs/wants more service, all you have to do is ask.

Quoting ljw81 (Reply 84):
The UK Chavs have to be the worst. They all tend to flock to the same locations.

Benidorm
Magaluf
Ibiza
Falaraki
Tenerife

Oh, they've made their way to Cancun too. Braided cornrows and bad cigarettes, the lot of them.


User currently offlineus330 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 3867 posts, RR: 14
Reply 93, posted (2 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 4122 times:

Quoting SOBHI51 (Reply 88):
Saudi's are not allowed to travel to Thailand,

Forgot about that--goes back to the Blue Diamond Affair, which reads like something out of a novel or a murder mystery. The poor Saudi-Thai relationship is one of the more overlooked contemporary diplomatic spats.


User currently offlineslider From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6785 posts, RR: 34
Reply 94, posted (2 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 4114 times:

Quoting SOBHI51 (Reply 88):
Now if you can give us some proof about those gang rapes, cigarettes burning i would much appreciate it.

Well, I can't speak to his specific invocation of this, but there is penty of gang raping going on.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xoiCYwoJKrE&feature=player_embedded

Whether you want to call them tourists, they’re certainly not natives and absolutely not assimilating in most cases. And even happening in their respective homelands. So yeah, we can play this game all you like too and I can dig up plenty of evidence.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-18200190

And more waves of rape in London….

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...fing-website-aimed-travellers.html
http://barenakedislam.com/2012/01/29...ault-dutch-woman-in-tahrir-square/

What Western woman would go to Egypt these days??


User currently onlineSOBHI51 From Saudi Arabia, joined Jun 2003, 3419 posts, RR: 17
Reply 95, posted (2 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 4063 times:
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Quoting slider (Reply 94):
So yeah, we can play this game all you like too

Ok let's play

Quoting slider (Reply 94):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xoiCYwoJKrE&feature=player_embedded

This a Norwegian anti Muslim propaganda and we already know how much Islam is liked there.

Quoting slider (Reply 94):
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-18200190

So rape cases grew by 53% in the UK, what does that have to do with our discussion?

Quoting slider (Reply 94):
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...fing-website-aimed-travellers.html

Ok first it's the daily mail so i will take this story as they say with a pinch of salt, but a woman from Hong Kong agrees via email to go and sleep in somebody house without even knowing who this guy is? Come on.

Quoting slider (Reply 94):
http://barenakedislam.com/2012/01/29...ault-dutch-woman-in-tahrir-square/

Tahrir square was full of over a million people, Muslim and Christians, from where did this paper knew that it was Muslims who raped her? Did the women asked there religion while being raped.

Quoting slider (Reply 94):
What Western woman would go to Egypt these days??

Plenty, in Cairo, Sharm, Luxor etc...



I am against any terrorist acts committed under the name of Islam
User currently offlineslider From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6785 posts, RR: 34
Reply 96, posted (2 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 4036 times:

Quoting SOBHI51 (Reply 95):
This a Norwegian anti Muslim propaganda

LOL! Yes, just a dirty lie, I'm sure.... None are so blind as those who refuse to see.

Quoting SOBHI51 (Reply 95):
So rape cases grew by 53% in the UK, what does that have to do with our discussion?

Obviously you didn't read the largest demographic of the perpetrators. Just good Muslim boys on holiday, right? Again, I saw holiday because when you immigrate somewhere but don't assimilate you're not native, but alien, hence tourist. And I'm sure there are plenty of Londoners in paticular who would concur.

***

But don't deny that Islamists don't rape innocents. My point was to support the prior poster's statement.


User currently offlineGDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 13168 posts, RR: 78
Reply 97, posted (2 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 4016 times:

Smuggling charlie into Bali is hardly being a good tourist;

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-18241357


User currently onlineSOBHI51 From Saudi Arabia, joined Jun 2003, 3419 posts, RR: 17
Reply 98, posted (2 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 4014 times:
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Quoting slider (Reply 96):
But don't deny that Islamists don't rape innocents. My point was to support the prior poster's statement

The following is a statistics of crime rates including rape cases in the USA, are all those rape cases committed by Islamists? I wonder
http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/uscrime.htm


I am not denying that there are rapists everywhere including the Middle East but it is not that spread.
Do you know that the penalty for raping children in Saudi is death?



I am against any terrorist acts committed under the name of Islam
User currently offlinelxa333 From United States of America, joined Nov 2008, 280 posts, RR: 0
Reply 99, posted (2 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 4000 times:

Granted it was during study abroad, I once had this american chick in my study abroad program complaining how there wasnt any gatorade in Paris and complained constantly how they don't do things in the american way. Lol and this girl wanted to attend harvard for grad school, 3 years back god knows where she is now. Lol and the pronounciations from americans kill me, "when are we going to the notre dame church" thinking its the university in Indiana. Then there are people who try to act sophisticated as if they are not american, and they lie and say that they are canadian. Who are you trying to fool?!


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User currently onlineSOBHI51 From Saudi Arabia, joined Jun 2003, 3419 posts, RR: 17
Reply 100, posted (2 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3998 times:
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Quoting slider (Reply 96):
Obviously you didn't read the largest demographic of the perpetrators. Just good Muslim boys on holiday, right?

Could not find what r you talking about, not in the link you provided anyhow.



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User currently offlinelewis From Greece, joined Jul 1999, 3623 posts, RR: 5
Reply 101, posted (2 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3995 times:

The ones that get drunk and obnoxious and the ones who always complain how things are better back home. It is not limited to specific nationalities.

User currently offlinezhiao From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 394 posts, RR: 0
Reply 102, posted (2 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3919 times:
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Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 78):
I think you are living in a state of delusion, where you believe that everything in the US is better. I have received excellent service in many countries including my own, just as I have received poor service.

To give one example, every where I have hired a car, apart from the USA you are shown to the car and asked if you understand the controls, and asked to confirm any existing damage, in the US you are given a key and a bay number and left to get on with it, is that poor service or no service at all ?

Why are you putting words in my mouth, as I never said that. In terms of customer service, i.e. when you walk into a retail store, restaurant, hotel, you generally find that US service is very good and certainly better than where you live, where the people rarely smile and ask how you are as the customer. I bet most visitors to the US can attest to this. The US airline industry is really the only industry where service levels do not excel above int competition. But in restaurants, electronic stores, clothing stores, forget it, I've seen no other country do it better.


User currently offlinelewis From Greece, joined Jul 1999, 3623 posts, RR: 5
Reply 103, posted (2 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3898 times:

Quoting zhiao (Reply 102):

I think it has more to do with the fact that service staff in the US (waiting, bar tending etc) rely a lot on their tips to earn a living and this is why they jump around to provide good service and mostly with a smile. If it wasn't for that, the average experience would be the same - if not worse (on par with the airline industry).


User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39698 posts, RR: 75
Reply 104, posted (2 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3892 times:

Quoting LOWS (Reply 83):
When the walkway or, more likely street in the Altstadt, is 3m wide, and they are blocking 2,99m of it, where exactly should I go? Unfortunately, I have not yet developed the ability to fly.

  
Sorry but your comments sound very anti-social. I don't like people in the way either but I just walk around and I hate when people expect me to get out of their way if I unintentionally get in their way.
You're not that important for people to move for you to walk down the street.

Quoting us330 (Reply 86):
The Japanese don't bother me at all. Yes, they take pictures of everything, and tend to cluster in groups, which can make passing them on a sidewalk difficult, but in general, they are very respectful and often incredibly nice and friendly. They also do a lot of shopping, which helps the local merchants.

  
I appreciate the fact that groups of Japanese take lots of photos. It's a very easy way to pick up on girls if there is any cute ones in the group. Striking up conversations about where their from, their type of camera or simply asking if they all want to take a group photo so none of their friends have to be the photographer. I found this to be a roundabout way of finding out if they speak English or not without asking if they speak English. I've met so many cute girls this way. Once I've broken the ice and got a conversation going, that is when I throw on my irresistible Superfly charm.


Quoting us330 (Reply 86):
And yes, I've been to Khao San Road, which isn't nearly as bad as Superfly makes it out to be

Oh yes it is. It's a total $h!thole and the ONLY place in Thailand where hotels openly discriminate against local Thai people.

Quoting us330 (Reply 86):
Drunk westerners fortunately can be isolated, and avoided since they all tend to hang out in groups or at certain locations that specifically cater to those individuals.

At least they have to be drunk first.
The people I pointed out are sober and still horrible to deal with.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 89):
When Obama was originally elected, that was the year I went to Catalonia for a few weeks, and everybody was like "Wow those Americans are lucky! They're going to get so much tax breaks." psshhhhh

LOL!               
I've ran in to Canadians and Europeans that ask me why can't all the American people get behind Obama and stop questioning him.     Wow!
Quoting SOBHI51 (Reply 88):
Do not believe how this statement is full of prejudice and with wrong facts.
Muslims including spoiled Saudi's will never come near a bar in Ramadan,

Just going by my observations and stories from several business owners. Please don't feel offended as I'm not sure which country they come from. I just know they're from the Middle-east celebrating Ramadan. Maybe not the strict interpretation as alcohol is forbidden but many break this rule.

Quoting SOBHI51 (Reply 88):
Now if you can give us some proof about those gang rapes, cigarettes burning i would much appreciate it.

These are what locals and expats have mentioned to me and it's common knowledge. The only article I've came across online was in Thai, not English.

Quoting SOBHI51 (Reply 88):
BTW Saudi's are not allowed to travel to Thailand, so that makes those statements worthless.

Again, not sure which Middle-eastern country they come from and I apologize if I offended. I know not all of them act this way but a lot that visit Pattaya do.

Quoting CrimsonNL (Reply 91):
I'm glad the government is finally starting to reduce drug-tourism.

Perhaps it should be legal in every country so they don't have to go to AMS to get stoned.

Quoting SOBHI51 (Reply 95):
Quoting slider (Reply 96):
But don't deny that Islamists don't rape innocents. My point was to support the prior poster's statement.

I really didn't want to lead this thread in that direction but this is sort of brutality is more common from certain groups than others.

Quoting SOBHI51 (Reply 98):
The following is a statistics of crime rates including rape cases in the USA, are all those rape cases committed by Islamists? I wonder

We have a xenophobia denier in another active thread about an upcoming soccer/football match using this same logic in an attempt to divert attention from the real problem.
The 53% pointed out by Slider is an alarmingly high number for such a vicious crime.

Quoting lxa333 (Reply 99):
this girl wanted to attend harvard for grad school, 3 years back god knows where she is now.

George W Bush, Barack Obama and Elizabeth Warren went there. Surprised it's still regarded as an elite institution. You just need lots of money and connections to get in to that school.



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User currently offlinesrqmuc From Germany, joined Jun 2010, 58 posts, RR: 0
Reply 105, posted (2 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3875 times:

Quoting lewis (Reply 101):
The ones that get drunk and obnoxious and the ones who always complain how things are better back home. It is not limited to specific nationalities.

Couldn’t have said it better!


User currently onlineSOBHI51 From Saudi Arabia, joined Jun 2003, 3419 posts, RR: 17
Reply 106, posted (2 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3862 times:
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Quoting Superfly (Reply 104):
The 53% pointed out by Slider is an alarmingly high number for such a vicious crime.

But he is claiming that the 53% rise in rape crime is caused by Islamists while there is nothing in the article which even hint to that fact.



I am against any terrorist acts committed under the name of Islam
User currently offlineslider From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6785 posts, RR: 34
Reply 107, posted (2 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3843 times:

Quoting SOBHI51 (Reply 106):
But he is claiming that the 53% rise in rape crime is caused by Islamists while there is nothing in the article which even hint to that fact.

Well, that’s partially because the police don’t report the ethnicity of the perps. But there's plenty of evidence beyond the 'official' police report. And when you consider what many Londoners have witnessed, stated elsewhere AND juxtapose it to the 40%+ increase in sexual harassment, it’s not a stretch to correlate the unchecked rise in inbound Islamic immigration and make that connection. And let’s not forget the wave of Muslim taxi cab driver rapists…there’s a nice list of names in one of the sites.

http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/20...esky-rape-waves-now-in-london.html
http://muslimrapegangs.com/
http://barenakedislam.com/2009/04/16...ing-muslim-immigration-to-the-u-s/

When you further weight intellectually that Islam is a misogynistic culture that treats women like property, is anyone surprised? Listen, we’re getting offtrack from the original thread, but SOBHI, once again man you just baffle people with your deliberate head-in-the-sand denial of what the rest of the world knows as fact.


User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 13968 posts, RR: 63
Reply 108, posted (2 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3847 times:

Not everybody from a Muslim country, who behaves bad, is an Islamist. I recently found out that a former boss of mine is currently serving a two year prison term in England because he worked under forged LAME licenses. In fact, he used to have both a CAA GA maintenance license and a FAA A&P license, but both had been revoked years ago. So he simply photshopped his name into somebody else´s license and made it up to maintenance manager of a large central Asian airline, not to mention the fact that he got fired from the company we both worked for (him as a station manager, me as a mechanic) for pencil whipping in large style (pencil whipping means certifying for work nnot carried out).
Oh, and the guy was British but originaly came from Yemen (AFAIK his father was working for the British when Yemen was still a British colony and followed the British forces to the UK when Yemen became independent).
I posted this news on another forum, where one American member responded immediately that this guy MUST be an Islamic terrorist.
No way. The guy was a w@nker, a choleric martinet (this is why everybody was happy when he got fired and all of my former colleagues who still knew this guy grinned when they heard that he was in jail), a bad maintenance engineer, and a criminal fraudster.
He might come from a Muslim background, but when I knew him he was drinking like a fish and chasing anything in skirts (even though he was married in the UK and was paying maintenance for one or two ex-wives), but an islamic fanatic, he wasn´t.

Jan


User currently onlineSOBHI51 From Saudi Arabia, joined Jun 2003, 3419 posts, RR: 17
Reply 109, posted (2 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3824 times:
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Quoting slider (Reply 107):
http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/20...esky-rape-waves-now-in-london.html
http://muslimrapegangs.com/
http://barenakedislam.com/2009/04/16...-u-s/

Great references, please do not try to insult everybody by referring to yellow papers, if your information is from lets say the
Times, Independant, Washington post or any respectable source i will be more than happy to respond, but quoting those garbage newsletters if you even can call them that is really absurd.

Quoting slider (Reply 107):
once again man you just baffle people with your deliberate head-in-the-sand denial of what the rest of the world knows as fact.

I do not baffle people because i am standing up to what i believe is right, i am not saying everything in my world is perfect,
but there no perfect world. In all my posting i always respect other people religion, ethnic background and nationality, i never put anybody down, that why i have my head up and i am proud to be what i am.



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User currently offlineBongodog1964 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2006, 3535 posts, RR: 3
Reply 110, posted (2 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3806 times:

Quoting zhiao (Reply 102):
Why are you putting words in my mouth, as I never said that. In terms of customer service, i.e. when you walk into a retail store, restaurant, hotel, you generally find that US service is very good and certainly better than where you live, where the people rarely smile and ask how you are as the customer. I bet most visitors to the US can attest to this. The US airline industry is really the only industry where service levels do not excel above int competition. But in restaurants, electronic stores, clothing stores, forget it, I've seen no other country do it better.

Do you even have a passport ?
I would suggest that at your tender age, you might not have the experience of some others   


User currently offlineNASCARAirforce From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3178 posts, RR: 4
Reply 111, posted (2 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 3782 times:

Quoting bohica (Reply 68):
I used to live in the Washington, DC area and nothing pissed me off more than tourists in rental cars, or with out-of-area license plates who drive really slow, blocking the flow of traffic, to sightsee from their cars.

We get plenty of that in Orlando in the winter with the snowbirds, and over Easter break and during summer with the families with young kids.

Quoting zhiao (Reply 72):
And yes, those young backpacking white people always smell bad. They think they know it all when they don't and live off people's food and couches like roaches.

Aren't they called Hipsters?

Quoting SuperCaravelle (Reply 80):
In Europe, a lot of people have negative prejudices towards the US, based on the stereotype redneck religious zealot. We don't see these people (if they exist) around here a lot,

They definitely exist, I see them in Florida. Fortunately for the rest of the world they are poor white trash that live in trailers and can't afford to go elsewhere nor are they interested in going any place "furin"

Quoting Superfly (Reply 104):
I just know they're from the Middle-east celebrating Ramadan. Maybe not the strict interpretation as alcohol is forbidden but many break this rule.

Just like there are plenty of Christian hypocrites, I am sure there are plenty of Muslim hyprocrites too.


User currently offlineSpeedbird741 From Portugal, joined Aug 2008, 654 posts, RR: 0
Reply 112, posted (2 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 3712 times:

Quoting offloaded (Reply 85):

I must confess that, as a proud Algarvian, I had a good laugh with your remarks and quite agree!

Speedbird741



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User currently offlinezhiao From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 394 posts, RR: 0
Reply 113, posted (2 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 3709 times:
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Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 110):
Do you even have a passport ?
I would suggest that at your tender age, you might not have the experience of some others

Of course I do, and I have travelled quite a bit outside the western hemisphere. Besides, much of this perception is based on what other living outside the US have told me. Your car rental example is rediculous, because it's assumed that a person whose driven before knows where the buttons are.

Quoting lewis (Reply 103):
I think it has more to do with the fact that service staff in the US (waiting, bar tending etc) rely a lot on their tips to earn a living and this is why they jump around to provide good service and mostly with a smile. If it wasn't for that, the average experience would be the same - if not worse (on par with the airline industry).

Good point! But much of the service industry does not rely on tips and service is still better, like in electronic and clothing stores. It's not just personal service, but things like return policies on merchandise and refunds.


User currently offlinedc9northwest From Switzerland, joined Feb 2007, 2269 posts, RR: 7
Reply 114, posted (2 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 3706 times:

My opinion: Brits on stag party trips.

Well, those are the only "tourists" that ever annoyed me, really. I use "tourists" lightly because I don't consider drinking and subsequently pissing in the public square tourism.

OK, It's kind of a bother when you have, say, Japanese tourists, stopping for pictures... But sometimes the locals do the same. I wouldn't call that bad tourists. Quite the opposite.

IME Americans abroad aren't as bad as described... especially off the beaten path. Those who don't know about foreign places won't go, so that improves the pool. Of course, then you have the missionary trips. OK, please go to Uganda to help, but how about leaving Jesus at home?

Other parts of the world... I can imagine any nationality causing trouble. But yeah, British stag party guys is my nomination.


User currently offlinelewis From Greece, joined Jul 1999, 3623 posts, RR: 5
Reply 115, posted (2 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3700 times:

Quoting zhiao (Reply 113):
but things like return policies on merchandise and refunds.

Very true, but this is also based on laws regarding consumer protection and the general corporate culture, not necessarily a cultural trait of Americans. From my experience in Europe, there are as lax with return policies as the law tells them to and not one bit more.

For other stores in general and the service received I will have to agree.


User currently offlineairportugal310 From Palau, joined Apr 2004, 3582 posts, RR: 2
Reply 116, posted (2 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3652 times:

Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 78):
To give one example, every where I have hired a car, apart from the USA you are shown to the car and asked if you understand the controls, and asked to confirm any existing damage, in the US you are given a key and a bay number and left to get on with it, is that poor service or no service at all ?

Get over yourself, chief-o. I rent a car every two weeks or so for work here in the good ol' USA and I am always asked to look around and make sure there is no damage etc...and this is with "elite status" with a well known company.

Just because you have one experience does not make it a "trend".

Such pretentiousness on here...yikes



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User currently offlineEL-AL From Israel, joined Oct 2001, 1294 posts, RR: 5
Reply 117, posted (2 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3572 times:

Quoting us330 (Reply 86):
And yes, I've been to Khao San Road, which isn't nearly as bad as Superfly makes it out to be--yes its a backpacker and guesthouse ghetto, but it pales in comparison to IMHO the worst case of backpacker abuse of a local culture for their own means: Vang Vieng, in Laos. A pretty little town, and fast internet, but otherwise one of the most horrible places I've ever been to--a drug-fueled place filled with deadbeat westerners and other backpackers combining all sorts of pills and alcohol, and then deciding to go rafting in a river. It's a wonder more haven't died there given the poor state of Laos' medical facilities and the relative remoteness of the town (no airport, three hours by bus to Vientiane, and additional hour from Vientiane to the nearest decent medical facilitiy....across the border, in Thailand).

When I was there I was almost got beaten up by an Australian just because I asked him to be quite at 3 am. The Israelis going aren't from very high quality too, but behave way better then the Europeans and the Aussies.

Drunk Australians and Brits are worst tourists I saw. In Israel, young americans tend to be loud and rude while older americans are usually very nice. Russians also usually behave nicly in Israel, i guess also because they have no language problem (many Israelis speak Russian).

Young French tend to kiss and make out in places where it's not welcome, like Vietnam or religious places in Israel.



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User currently offlinesimonriat From UK - England, joined Jul 2010, 135 posts, RR: 1
Reply 118, posted (2 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3567 times:

With regard to tipping in the States. Perhaps if the owners of the restaurants (where I have the most experience of where tips are expected) were not so greedy and paid their staff a proper wage instead of relying on their customers to pay their wages. I tend to only tip if the service has been excellent (bearing in mind I am a yorkshireman too). I hate the thought that I am perhaps helping the owner to buy another restaurant or perhaps a new car while their staff struggle to make ends. Anyway rant over.

With regards to Amsterdam, which would you rather have a drunk or stoned tourist? I wonder how many people are employed because of those special establishments. For the record I have been many years ago while I was a student, and yes may have frequented an establishment or 2 but at least I wasn't ready to bash one of the locals or other tourists, unlike a lot of the drunks.

Back to op.
I find the
1.Brits are the worst especially the tracksuit tattooed variety with rather large beer bellies,
followed by the
2. Brazilians (who don't seem to understand the concept of queueing) and finally the
3. French where only if you speak perfect french can you get anything actually done.

Perhaps on the other side:- (nice ones)
1. Americans mostly polite and willing to talk both about where they are from and where you are from.
2. Australians everywhere I went people, were just friendly and laid back.
3. Canadians again very friendly and laid back


User currently offlineBrouAviation From Netherlands, joined Jun 2009, 985 posts, RR: 1
Reply 119, posted (2 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3531 times:

Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 78):

To give one example, every where I have hired a car, apart from the USA you are shown to the car and asked if you understand the controls, and asked to confirm any existing damage, in the US you are given a key and a bay number and left to get on with it, is that poor service or no service at all ?

I have experienced exactly the opposite, I was never shown to the car except in the US of A. It was delivered in front of me at the exit/entrance of the airport terminal. Couldn't be better. Your (nor mine) experience alone have zero value.

Quoting airportugal310 (Reply 116):

Just because you have one experience does not make it a "trend".

Exactly, well said. Posts like this where n=1 just don't add anything to this discussion.



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User currently offlineBarfBag From India, joined Mar 2001, 2207 posts, RR: 6
Reply 120, posted (2 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3537 times:

Westerners visiting India who insist upon heading to the seediest part of town in search of every stereotype they have of the country - search for the slums and beggars whom they then insult by giving a piddling Rs.2 or Rs.5 to pose for pics, performing animals and snake charmers (if any). Considering they come from a culture that deems staring to be impolite, I find their unabashed voyeurism of poverty to be hypocritical.

The only subgroup whose behavior disappointed me is that of young Israelis vacationing in India after military training. Quite a few are unpleasant and treat locals badly. Considering the excellent relations between the two countries and the fact that we're the first country to their east that doesn't want to destroy them, you'd think they'd be more grateful and well behaved.



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39698 posts, RR: 75
Reply 121, posted (2 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 3519 times:

Quoting EL-AL (Reply 117):
When I was there I was almost got beaten up by an Australian just because I asked him to be quite at 3 am.

Wow. That really sucks but I must say, Khaosan road is the last place to expect peace & quietness. It's noisy 24/7.
What really repulses me about that place is the apartheid system they have with some hotels. Many hotels there have signs discriminating against local Thai people and Thai women. About 5 years ago, a hotel I had stayed at had gave my friend a very hard time and totally disrespected her and wouldn't allow us to go to my room together. Even though she was a customer service agent for Thai Airways, they were calling her a bar girl.
Another friend of mine had this problem when him and his girlfriend who was Thai was visiting Thailand. She was born & raised in Los Angeles but just so happened to be Thai but she was 100% American. He was white American and the hotel they checked in at in Khaosan road didn't want to let her in. They gave her the 3rd degree of questioning and started saying rude and derogatory things to her in Thai. They chose to stay in another part of town.
I found out later that many Khaosan road hotels have this policy because many backpackers travel with their girlfriends and many feminist oriented NGOs stay in the area and are racist towards Western men that have Thai girlfriends or wives.
I find that so ironic considering that they think of themselves as so 'liberal' and 'tolerant' and see themselves as some sort of liberator that is somehow going to 'change the world'. Yet they're ok with such blatant racist policies that aim to appease western feminist prejudices. They're just jealous.

Quoting EL-AL (Reply 117):
Young French tend to kiss and make out in places where it's not welcome, like Vietnam or religious places in Israel.

I like the French for this very reason.  
Love and affection should be welcome everywhere. If they want French tourist that bring lots of money, then they'll need to accept some of their norms. Never understood why some people can be such prudes. Nothing wrong with a little kissing and grab-ass. 
Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 111):
Just like there are plenty of Christian hypocrites, I am sure there are plenty of Muslim hyprocrites too.

True. I just don't see this kind of behavior from Christmas holiday travelers. Just sayin'.

Quoting BarfBag (Reply 120):
Westerners visiting India who insist upon heading to the seediest part of town in search of every stereotype they have of the country - search for the slums and beggars whom they then insult by giving a piddling Rs.2 or Rs.5 to pose for pics, performing animals and snake charmers (if any). Considering they come from a culture that deems staring to be impolite, I find their unabashed voyeurism of poverty to be hypocritical.

  
Spot on!



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User currently offlineBongodog1964 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2006, 3535 posts, RR: 3
Reply 122, posted (2 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 3471 times:

Quoting zhiao (Reply 113):
Of course I do, and I have travelled quite a bit outside the western hemisphere. Besides, much of this perception is based on what other living outside the US have told me. Your car rental example is rediculous, because it's assumed that a person whose driven before knows where the buttons are.

How can any one driver always know where the buttons are on the huge range of cars the hirers provide, generally you don't even know the make until they hand over the keys, and the handbook is always conveniently missing wherever in the World you rent.

Quoting airportugal310 (Reply 116):
Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 78):To give one example, every where I have hired a car, apart from the USA you are shown to the car and asked if you understand the controls, and asked to confirm any existing damage, in the US you are given a key and a bay number and left to get on with it, is that poor service or no service at all ?Get over yourself, chief-o. I rent a car every two weeks or so for work here in the good ol' USA and I am always asked to look around and make sure there is no damage etc...and this is with "elite status" with a well known company.Just because you have one experience does not make it a "trend". Such pretentiousness on here...yikes

One experience ? afraid not have hired cars from San Francisco, Los Angeles, San Diego, Miami and Orlando, on a number of occasions, the experience was always the same. My wife has been doing so for over 30 years and tells me its never been any different.


User currently offlineEL-AL From Israel, joined Oct 2001, 1294 posts, RR: 5
Reply 123, posted (2 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 3481 times:

Quoting BarfBag (Reply 120):
The only subgroup whose behavior disappointed me is that of young Israelis vacationing in India after military training. Quite a few are unpleasant and treat locals badly. Considering the excellent relations between the two countries and the fact that we're the first country to their east that doesn't want to destroy them, you'd think they'd be more grateful and well behaved

I just want to say that the Israelis going to India do not represent most young Israelis, they are very low-class, looking for cheap place for long vacation. There is a lot of criticism of their bad behavior in Israel and also among other Israeli travelling in India, because they give bad reputation to all of us.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 121):
Wow. That really sucks but I must say, Khaosan road is the last place to expect peace & quietness. It's noisy 24/7

Actually I ment Vang Vieng. I didn't like the Kho San area too. I was there only when I first landed in Thailand, next times in Bangkok I slept in other areas of the city.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 121):
I like the French for this very reason.  
Love and affection should be welcome everywhere. If they want French tourist that bring lots of money, then they'll need to accept some of their norms. Never understood why some people can be such prudes. Nothing wrong with a little kissing and grab-ass. 

No, no no. Absolutely not. Kissing in the hart of Ultra orthodox jewish neighborhood in Jerusalem or making out in the walling wall is rude behavior that do not respect local culture.



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39698 posts, RR: 75
Reply 124, posted (2 years 1 month 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 3464 times:

Quoting EL-AL (Reply 123):
No, no no. Absolutely not. Kissing in the hart of Ultra orthodox jewish neighborhood in Jerusalem or making out in the walling wall is rude behavior that do not respect local culture.

Prudes!     

Quoting EL-AL (Reply 123):
Actually I ment Vang Vieng.

I haven't been to Vietnam yet. It's not high on my places to visit. It seems to be a popular destination for backpackers.



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User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10654 posts, RR: 9
Reply 125, posted (2 years 1 month 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 3418 times:

I dont think "bad tourists" can be attributed to a certain country.

Most bad tourists I have seen were drinking parties and mostly younger people. If they are from Britain, Scandinavia or Germany doesnt matter much. They are mainly to be found in places I avoid: "cheap" islands/holiday areas in Southern Europe, namely Spanish. I noticed a certain kind of "white trash" Brits in several places who cant behave. Young women squatting in a roadside corner and laughing at what running down the street from underneath them. Appalling. Tattoed young men in dresses not meant to wear ouside the "hood", often sunburned, having drinks at midday and blocking the roaside. But, well, I think there are Germans in El Arenal/Mallorca who arent much different.

A type of tourist I dont like is the one who obviously have no mirror or who have read their last fashion mag back in the 80s. Like the typical lower class German around 65 wearing tennis socks in brown sandals (sandals for men are a sin anyway), and who ask for Schnitzel all around the world. There number is shrinking, but can somebody please tell them that this looks ridiculously bad and they make a joke of themselves?


User currently offlineus330 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 3867 posts, RR: 14
Reply 126, posted (2 years 1 month 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 3415 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 121):
Another friend of mine had this problem when him and his girlfriend who was Thai was visiting Thailand. She was born & raised in Los Angeles but just so happened to be Thai but she was 100% American. He was white American and the hotel they checked in at in Khaosan road didn't want to let her in

Kind of shocking. Didn't they ask for her passport or even her driver's license? How she was dressed alone should have given her away as an American and not a bar-girl.

Quoting EL-AL (Reply 117):
When I was there I was almost got beaten up by an Australian just because I asked him to be quite at 3 am

Completely believable. One of the restaurant owners told me that he hated what the place had become, but felt that he had no choice but to cater to those drug-fuelled backpackers because otherwise his family would starve.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 124):
I haven't been to Vietnam yet. It's not high on my places to visit. It seems to be a popular destination for backpackers.

Vang Vieng is in Laos, and is an exception--Laos is a great country to travel in, just as long as you avoid Vang Vieng--and you can spot the people that frequented it from a mile away.


User currently offlineslider From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6785 posts, RR: 34
Reply 127, posted (2 years 1 month 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 3345 times:

Quoting SOBHI51 (Reply 109):
really absurd.
Quoting SOBHI51 (Reply 109):
i am not saying everything in my world is perfect,

But that's exactly what your position has been...that's the problem. You refuse to acknowledge any improperness and defend--blindly so--Islam universally.

Quoting dc9northwest (Reply 114):
Of course, then you have the missionary trips. OK, please go to Uganda to help, but how about leaving Jesus at home?

Um, isn't that their whole point of going?

Quoting Superfly (Reply 121):
I like the French for this very reason.
Love and affection should be welcome everywhere. If they want French tourist that bring lots of money, then they'll need to accept some of their norms. Never understood why some people can be such prudes. Nothing wrong with a little kissing and grab-ass.

Except on a beach on Dubai, amirite?  


User currently offlineNASCARAirforce From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3178 posts, RR: 4
Reply 128, posted (2 years 1 month 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 3333 times:

Quoting simonriat (Reply 118):
With regards to Amsterdam, which would you rather have a drunk or stoned tourist?

If I was a restaurant owner in Amsterdam - the stoned tourist, he will get the munchies.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 121):
True. I just don't see this kind of behavior from Christmas holiday travelers. Just sayin'.

Easter holiday travellers - ie Spring Break, this kind of stuff happens in Florida and Cancun


User currently offlineGDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 13168 posts, RR: 78
Reply 129, posted (2 years 1 month 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 3265 times:

Quoting simonriat (Reply 118):
With regard to tipping in the States. Perhaps if the owners of the restaurants (where I have the most experience of where tips are expected) were not so greedy and paid their staff a proper wage instead of relying on their customers to pay their wages. I tend to only tip if the service has been excellent (bearing in mind I am a yorkshireman too). I hate the thought that I am perhaps helping the owner to buy another restaurant or perhaps a new car while their staff struggle to make ends. Anyway rant over.

You know the sequence at the start of the film 'Reservoir Dogs', the gang just had breakfast in a diner, the Steve Buscemi character refusing to tip, to the irritation of the others?
Four years before that movie was made, I had a similar experience with a group of friends when we were travelling around Florida, one did not like tipping and I explained why he should, in fact, I got a real sense of deja vu when I saw that film, even how some of the conversation went!


User currently offlinedc9northwest From Switzerland, joined Feb 2007, 2269 posts, RR: 7
Reply 130, posted (2 years 1 month 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 3238 times:

Quoting slider (Reply 127):
Um, isn't that their whole point of going?

So it's impossible for them to help someone out unless they can convert them to Jesus?

Excellent people, in that case  


User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39698 posts, RR: 75
Reply 131, posted (2 years 1 month 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 3222 times:

Quoting us330 (Reply 126):
Kind of shocking. Didn't they ask for her passport or even her driver's license? How she was dressed alone should have given her away as an American and not a bar-girl.


It shouldn't matter. There is no excuse to put any guest through that sort of humiliation. When I stayed in that part of town on my first trip, I was bringing, Aussie, British and French gals to my room and the hotel didn't seem to care about that at all.

Quoting us330 (Reply 126):
Completely believable. One of the restaurant owners told me that he hated what the place had become, but felt that he had no choice but to cater to those drug-fuelled backpackers because otherwise his family would starve.


Which partially answers the questions you had above. The hotel owners that are starving for the backpackers at the $12 hotels in Khaosan road are so afraid of offending these worthless, self-righteous, feminist, NGOs and save-the-world types that hate cross-racial relations between Westermen and local women honor the request of these losers and enact these policies just to stay in business.

Quoting slider (Reply 127):
Except on a beach on Dubai, amirite?


Totally criminal in those countries. It's really sad.

Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 128):
Easter holiday travellers - ie Spring Break, this kind of stuff happens in Florida and Cancun



I've been to both places and I've never seen drunken frat boys burning their cigarettes on woman just for fun and gang-raping. Besides, spring break really isn't a religious holiday. It just so happens to occur during Easter, Good Friday & Passover. Only college students and kids k-12 get spring break anyway.



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User currently onlineSOBHI51 From Saudi Arabia, joined Jun 2003, 3419 posts, RR: 17
Reply 132, posted (2 years 1 month 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 3208 times:
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Quoting slider (Reply 127):
Quoting SOBHI51 (Reply 109):
i am not saying everything in my world is perfect,

But that's exactly what your position has been...that's the problem. You refuse to acknowledge any improperness and defend--blindly so--Islam universally.

Strange statement from you , you are quoting me as saying that not everything in my world is perfect, but then you accuse me of blindly defending Islam universally? I am confused.
Also the subject we were discussing was about people in the Middle East, not religion, but region.



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User currently offlineslider From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6785 posts, RR: 34
Reply 133, posted (2 years 1 month 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 3183 times:

Quoting dc9northwest (Reply 130):
So it's impossible for them to help someone out unless they can convert them to Jesus?

Excellent people, in that case

Clearly you're not familiar with what mission trips do; they do exactly that--help the communities, provide clean water, health services, education, etc. Sorry, off track from post, but wanted to clarify your ignorance of the subject.


User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39698 posts, RR: 75
Reply 134, posted (2 years 1 month 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 3171 times:

Quoting SOBHI51 (Reply 132):
Also the subject we were discussing was about people in the Middle East, not religion, but region.

Sorry if my earlier comments came off as insulting to your religion or nationality. I know you're not cut from the same cloth as the ones I mentioned above.

Quoting dc9northwest (Reply 130):
So it's impossible for them to help someone out unless they can convert them to Jesus?

I met a cute Holy-roller on an Olympic Airways A340 from Athens to New York back in 2006.
I converted her to my world of Hedonism and sin.  
It was easy because the guys in her Holy-roller group were dorks.



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User currently offlinedc9northwest From Switzerland, joined Feb 2007, 2269 posts, RR: 7
Reply 135, posted (2 years 1 month 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 3120 times:

Quoting slider (Reply 133):
Clearly you're not familiar with what mission trips do; they do exactly that--help the communities, provide clean water, health services, education, etc. Sorry, off track from post, but wanted to clarify your ignorance of the subject.

So, what's Jesus have to do with all that? You still haven't mentioned that.

"Nothing" should be the answer, but when I talked to some missionary lady all she did was trying to convert me for the whole 8-hr flight to AMS... If she does that, I can't believe she won't try to convert the whole wide world.

What I am saying is that you can do everything that they do without trying to spread your religion. Because, if you're unfamiliar with how the Catholic Church, for instance, "helped" Africa... By saying, "don't use condoms"... well, they didn't, and a quarter of the population (in some countries) now has AIDS. Thanks yet again, religion! And yes, I know there are other causes as well.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 134):
I met a cute Holy-roller on an Olympic Airways A340 from Athens to New York back in 2006.
I converted her to my world of Hedonism and sin.  
It was easy because the guys in her Holy-roller group were dorks.

Good for you. And, I suspect, for her  

Good on you. That was your good deed for the day, hehe.


User currently offlineBrouAviation From Netherlands, joined Jun 2009, 985 posts, RR: 1
Reply 136, posted (2 years 1 month 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 3116 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 131):

Totally criminal in those countries. It's really sad.

It's not. It's great! I hate it when people make out in public. Not because I don't feel comfortable with it, but either

- it's so awful and gross it makes me puke, making me want to slap them for doing it within my range of vision
- it's so good (and admittedly, the French are good at it  ) it is a source of distraction which can be extremely inconvenient at certain moments.

Just keep your love and intimacy to yourself please, and behave yourself in public.



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39698 posts, RR: 75
Reply 137, posted (2 years 1 month 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 3115 times:

Quoting dc9northwest (Reply 135):
Good on you. That was your good deed for the day, hehe.


LOL!   
It was my pleasure.

Quoting BrouAviation (Reply 136):
Just keep your love and intimacy to yourself please, and behave yourself in public.



I hate prudes!   



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User currently offlineluckyone From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 2163 posts, RR: 0
Reply 138, posted (2 years 1 month 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 3087 times:

Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 122):
How can any one driver always know where the buttons are on the huge range of cars the hirers provide, generally you don't even know the make until they hand over the keys, and the handbook is always conveniently missing wherever in the World you rent.

It's not rocket science. The gear shift is in one of two places. Same for the turn indicator, the wiper control, and the lights (if they're not already automatic). All the rest is superfluous to driving. We Americans grow up in cars. Perhaps it's just intuitive for us. How many people want to spend ten minutes having something like the air conditioning or radio explained to them? Most likely it's going to go in one ear and out the other, anyway.


User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39698 posts, RR: 75
Reply 139, posted (2 years 1 month 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 3082 times:

Quoting luckyone (Reply 138):
How many people want to spend ten minutes having something like the air conditioning or radio explained to them?

If you bought a 1986 Cadillac Cimarron, the car came with a 25 minute cassette tape that explained all of those features to you.  



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User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 13968 posts, RR: 63
Reply 140, posted (2 years 1 month 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 3072 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 139):
Quoting luckyone (Reply 138):
How many people want to spend ten minutes having something like the air conditioning or radio explained to them?

If you bought a 1986 Cadillac Cimarron, the car came with a 25 minute cassette tape that explained all of those features to you.

If you got yourself a Prius about everything, from starting the engine to adjusting the aircon, is different. I don´t know what rode the designers when they placed a largeb touchscreen on the dashboard. If you want to adjust e.g. the air fans or the cabin temperature, you´ll have to click through several menus to get to the right page. Obviously you can´t can´t control a touchscreen by feel, you´ll have to watch what you are doing. A bad thing as my mother found out when she slowly coasted into the back of another car at a traffic light while she was trying to shut down the air fans. Fortunately for her the guy in front had a trailer hook and his car wasn´t damaged, but her bumper had a nice dent the size of a chicken egg. Also fortunately for her Toyota made this piece still out of sheet metal, so is can be repaired quite easily by a bit of tin bashing and some body filler to smoothen out the rest, not like replacing a broken, overpriced plastic part.

I want to have discrete manual switches in my car, where I can adjust everything by feel, even at night and where I don´t have to take my eyes off the road.

Jan


User currently offlinedc9northwest From Switzerland, joined Feb 2007, 2269 posts, RR: 7
Reply 141, posted (2 years 1 month 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 3071 times:

Quoting luckyone (Reply 138):
It's not rocket science. The gear shift is in one of two places. Same for the turn indicator, the wiper control, and the lights (if they're not already automatic). All the rest is superfluous to driving. We Americans grow up in cars. Perhaps it's just intuitive for us. How many people want to spend ten minutes having something like the air conditioning or radio explained to them? Most likely it's going to go in one ear and out the other, anyway.

Yeah, hey, (some) Americans don't even need a real driving school, either. I was on the winning end of this myself, never had to attend classes on this subject  


User currently onlineSOBHI51 From Saudi Arabia, joined Jun 2003, 3419 posts, RR: 17
Reply 142, posted (2 years 1 month 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 3021 times:
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Quoting Superfly (Reply 134):
Sorry if my earlier comments came off as insulting to your religion or nationality. I know you're not cut from the same cloth as the ones I mentioned above.

Superfly, we do have different points of views on some items in life, but i do have a lot of respect towards you, so no need for an apology.



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User currently offlineEL-AL From Israel, joined Oct 2001, 1294 posts, RR: 5
Reply 143, posted (2 years 1 month 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 3013 times:

Quoting us330 (Reply 126):
Vang Vieng is in Laos, and is an exception--Laos is a great country to travel in, just as long as you avoid Vang Vieng--and you can spot the people that frequented it from a mile away.

Couldn't agree more! spent a month in Lao PDR and like every second, except Vang Vieng:

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User currently offlineBarfBag From India, joined Mar 2001, 2207 posts, RR: 6
Reply 144, posted (2 years 1 month 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 2946 times:

Quoting EL-AL (Reply 123):
I just want to say that the Israelis going to India do not represent most young Israelis, they are very low-class, looking for cheap place for long vacation. There is a lot of criticism of their bad behavior in Israel and also among other Israeli travelling in India, because they give bad reputation to all of us.

I'm glad this is known as a problem in Israel. I would like to point out that it is not merely a matter of class, but ignorance on the part of these louts. This land protected the way of life of their forefathers for 2000 years, before they had a country of their own. I can almost understand them being apathetic and boorish in Germany, but in India ? A community that is keenly aware of the historical injustices they faced, should also be aware of those few who graciously gave them a home and left them alone to pursue their way of life. In that regard, perhaps I expect more from Israelis than the average bad western tourist, who will in any case be boorish wherever he goes.



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User currently offlineQuokkas From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 145, posted (2 years 1 month 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 2922 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 137):
I hate prudes!

Me too. If people want to copulate in the Oval Office during inauguration of the President or on the altar of Westminster Abbey during a State Funeral they should be allowed to.

If people want to display their prowess in public they could volunteer for a David Attenborough documentary. (hushed voice-over as camera pans scene) "Here we are on a beach in Dubai and a group of British Tourists have migrated here to take part in an annual ritual..."  

[Edited 2012-05-30 22:46:34]

User currently offlineBrouAviation From Netherlands, joined Jun 2009, 985 posts, RR: 1
Reply 146, posted (2 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 2864 times:

My worst tourist? Easy: the Dutch.

Not because they misbehave or anything, but I recognize them from miles away and I don't like to see them when I traveled thousands of miles just to get away from it all. My favourite holiday is the one where I meet fellow Dutchmen for the first time, at the gate for the flight home.

Quoting dc9northwest (Reply 135):
Thanks yet again, religion!

Oh no, not this crap again. I do agree with you that the condom-thing wasn't smart or right, but it's so easy to make up your own facts. First, they said: sleep with only one person in your life and don't use condoms for you should multiply.

Had they listened to the first part, the latter (not using condoms) would not have been a problem.

AIDS was created by African males not being loyal to their wives, and doing it like rabbits with every creature with a hole in it (sorry for being blunt but honest). Yes, using a condom might have stopped things getting worse. But that doesn't mean it's the primary cause of the mess Africa is in now.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 137):

I hate prudes!

I thought I explained clear enough it has nothing to do with being prude, but with being civilized.

[Edited 2012-05-31 01:22:53]


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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39698 posts, RR: 75
Reply 147, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 2635 times:

Quoting SOBHI51 (Reply 142):
Superfly, we do have different points of views on some items in life, but i do have a lot of respect towards you, so no need for an apology.

Thanks man! It's a touchy subject for some and this thread.

Quoting BrouAviation (Reply 146):
I thought I explained clear enough it has nothing to do with being prude, but with being civilized.



Public display of affection is considered uncivilized in your book? Wow.



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User currently offlinezippyjet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 5478 posts, RR: 13
Reply 148, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2629 times:

Quoting something (Reply 9):
If you're British, and you see Chavvy people,



What does "Chawy" people mean?

Before working in the airline industry, I had several jobs as a bellman. The last luggage schlepping job I had was at a four star hotel. So my perspective was from being a tipped employee's perspective. Of couse the rude and the drunk sucked. And this cut across multi racial, economic and cultural backgrounds.
Some of the worst in no particular order. Some are celebrities

Steven Dorph
Melanie Griffith
Rite Aid Convention
Mary J. Blige

They were not the worst but I was less than impressed when Baltimore held the NAACP convention
Peter Angelo's and his family (owners of Orioles)

Now the best/really good

The Modell family (Not the sporting goods store but the former owners of the Baltimore Ravens)
Lou Diamond Phillips
John Waters
Rev: Al Sharpton
Penn Gillette
I believe her name is Leslie Visser (CBS news/sports)
Former Oakland A's owner Charlie Finley
MInk Stole
Pam Shriver
Arnold Schwarzenegger and Maria Shriver (This was when Maria's mom Eunice was really sick)
Patty Hearst
Smokey Robinson
Jerry Springer

I could go on and on with the good and the bad.

Regarding the sex tourists in Thailand, how about the ones that "date" women of age and pay for what they want and not rape or abuse them?



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User currently offlinevegetables2001 From UK - England, joined Mar 2012, 93 posts, RR: 0
Reply 149, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2592 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 147):
Public display of affection is considered uncivilized in your book?

He's right. No excuse for it if you're over 14.



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39698 posts, RR: 75
Reply 150, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2581 times:

Quoting vegetables2001 (Reply 149):

No he's not.
If you're offended my something so trivial then it's best to just not go out in public at all.



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User currently offlineBrouAviation From Netherlands, joined Jun 2009, 985 posts, RR: 1
Reply 151, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2527 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 147):

Public display of affection is considered uncivilized in your book? Wow.

Where did I say that?

Quoting Superfly (Reply 150):

If you're offended my something so trivial then it's best to just not go out in public at all.

With you, it's either black or white, isn't it? Makes life hard, you know.

Yes, there is nothing wrong with showing affection, but there is a difference between having sex and giving each other a quick hug. Somewhere between those, I think there is a line which you shouldn't cross in public. And yes, I think that is all about manners and being civilized.

There are plenty of things which are perfectly normal, appropriate, commendable, even praiseworthy to do, just not in public. Cutting your toenails, to name just one example  .



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39698 posts, RR: 75
Reply 152, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2527 times:

Quoting BrouAviation (Reply 151):
Public display of affection is considered uncivilized in your book? Wow.

Where did I say that?

Right here;

Quoting BrouAviation (Reply 146):
it has nothing to do with being prude, but with being civilized.

You're indicating that their behavior is not civilized - which is the same as saying uncivilized.


Quoting BrouAviation (Reply 136):
I hate it when people make out in public.
Quoting BrouAviation (Reply 151):
there is nothing wrong with showing affection, but there is a difference between having sex

Agreed but you weren't talking about people having sex in public earlier and I have yet to see French tourist having sex in public. If so, please point me that direction.  
Quoting BrouAviation (Reply 151):
Cutting your toenails, to name just one example

I agree with you on that one. I also hate it when some people suck their teeth. That sound makes me cringe.   



Bring back the Concorde
User currently offlineblink182 From Azerbaijan, joined Oct 1999, 5480 posts, RR: 15
Reply 153, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 2468 times:

Agreement with much of the above, especially the overly obnoxious and loud tourists, usually, but not always, in mass groups, who complain about why everything differs from their homelands and lacking any sensitivity of place and are merely there to check off lists. Loud, chatty, obnoxious, and horrifyingly ignorant of their surroundings. Nothing new, as this thread has covered these types ad nauseum.

I'm surprised this hasn't come up yet, but what about the holier-than-thou complaining tourist who has been everywhere? Great example would be "I didn't like Bangkok because it was chock-full of tourists, and frankly, I thought the Mexican food there sucked in comparison to Brussels." Or "Rwanda and Timbuktoo are cool, but there were too many tourists, which really pissed me off" or "I had this host, and he wouldn't let me speak a word of Tagalog, and he insisted on speaking English. It sucked, because I couldn't use any of the five words of Tagalog I studied." This type of tourist, or I'm sorry, traveler, can drive me equally as crazy as the first type.



Give me a break, I created this username when I was a kid...
User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7204 posts, RR: 17
Reply 154, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2408 times:

Quoting vegetables2001 (Reply 149):
He's right. No excuse for it if you're over 14.

or under 14   



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User currently offlineFlyboyOz From Australia, joined Nov 2000, 1985 posts, RR: 25
Reply 155, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2331 times:

Well I always joined the tour with ALL young australians. Most of them are really nice and some aren't nice. I have warned them thousand times to be very careful and don't do stupid things. They said "YES MOM!". Later some reported to me and other friends that they had done very silly things. We were all shocked but I wasn't because I knew that already! It will happen again and again thousand times. However, I enjoyed watching them and listening to their stories. My best part is when there were five naive girls running around the hotel and bar. They ordered a bottle of wine and finished all of it very quickly. They became drunk and danced and yelled around the quiet hotel and bar and disturbed the aged tourists (make them scary hehe) and flirted with totally strangers. That made my day!

I have seen lots of hong kongers and airlines crew dont like to travel with local chinese tourist cos of weird behaviour. They are rude, don't respect others and don't obey the rules. For example, when the plane is flying to China, flight attendants force them to them behave themsevles and follow the rules - such as sit down when take off. Local old chinese men liked to keep yelling when they are drunk. I have no idea why they wear that ugly business suit except young people.



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User currently offlinexpat From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 634 posts, RR: 0
Reply 156, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2193 times:

Quoting bookishaviator (Reply 23):
The worst tourists are the ones who travel the world only to see it in comparisons.

"You don't have [x] here..."

"Back home, we don't do it that way..."

"This isn't like back home..."

I dislike feeling at home when I'm abroad. ~George Bernard Shaw.



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