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User currently offlineHOONS90 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (2 years 2 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2769 times:
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This is one of the most disturbing things I've ever read:

http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/05/30/luka-rocco-magnotta-manhunt/

A few days ago, the Conservative Party of Canada's HQ in Ottawa received two suspicious packages that turned out to be a human hand and foot. They were later found to be sent from someone who murdered another man with an ice pick, dismembered his body and did all sorts of nasty stuff with it. He's still on the lam.

He even filmed the whole thing and uploaded it. Makes me sick to my stomach.

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User currently offlineajd1992 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (2 years 2 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2721 times:

It reminds me of the 3 guys 1 hammer thing that happened in Ukraine.

Pretty sickening.

(By the way, I will add a disclaimer - do NOT google that if you value your eyesight. I did out of curiosity and well... I wished I hadn't.)


User currently offlinejamincan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (2 years 2 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2671 times:

I got to watch the breaking news non-stop coverage of it while waiting for my car to be serviced yesterday. I can kind of understand how people do rash and terrible things when they are in the heat of a moment; however, something like this is so completely incomprehensible to me.

User currently offlineWestJet747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (2 years 2 months 1 day ago) and read 2636 times:

Unfortunately I don't have a source to post, but I was listening to the news on my drive into work this morning and apparently a man in Montana or Oregon had contacted the FBI and Toronto Police Service the day after Magnotta posted the murder video online saying that he was worried it was real. Apparently he was shut down time and time again, only being listened to after the story broke, and after Magnotta had disappeared. I can't help but think that if the authorities had taken this man's calls seriously, they could have caught Magnotta before he fled (they now think he fled to France).

Quoting jamincan (Reply 2):
in the heat of a moment

Speaking of "in the heat of the moment", at the bottom of the article for this story on The Toronto Sun website, there's a poll asking if Canada should reinstate the death penalty...81% say yes. Of course The Sun is baiting these responses by putting the poll on the same page as this horrendous story, but even in a biased environment I think 81% is high!


User currently offlineL-188 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (2 years 2 months 18 hours ago) and read 2535 times:

And you all thought amnerican politics where tough

User currently offlineajd1992 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (2 years 2 months 18 hours ago) and read 2532 times:

Quoting L-188 (Reply 4):

And you all thought amnerican politics where tough

*American
*Were

 

This isn't a political issue as such - this is a murderer who's posting body parts to political parties. He could be posting them anywhere and for all we know, he has and they just haven't arrived yet.


User currently offlinecpd From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (2 years 2 months 15 hours ago) and read 2478 times:

It's on SMH this morning (www.smh.com.au). It's disgusting. What makes people do this sort of sick stuff?

I won't link to the article, it's not nice reading.  


User currently offlinescrubbsywg From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (2 years 2 months 13 hours ago) and read 2449 times:

Quoting HOONS90 (Thread starter):
A few days ago, the Conservative Party of Canada's HQ in Ottawa received two suspicious packages that turned out to be a human hand and foot. They were later found to be sent from someone who murdered another man with an ice pick, dismembered his body and did all sorts of nasty stuff with it. He's still on the lam.

The hand was found at a Canada Post depot and was addressed to the Liberal Party of Canada.


User currently offlinebabybus From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (2 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2346 times:

Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 3):
(they now think he fled to France)

This is where we get to see how effective border controls are, or are not.

Was this the same guy who filmed himself mutilating cats? How best to deal with sickos like this? I have no idea.


User currently offlineWestJet747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (2 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2343 times:

Quoting babybus (Reply 8):
Was this the same guy who filmed himself mutilating cats?

That's what they allege. I don't think it was ever concrete proof it was him though.

Quoting babybus (Reply 8):
How best to deal with sickos like this?

I predict he'll spend a very long time in a mental institution. Maybe he'll even be buddies with Vincent Li.


User currently offlineconnies4ever From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (2 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2325 times:

Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 3):
Unfortunately I don't have a source to post, but I was listening to the news on my drive into work this morning and apparently a man in Montana or Oregon had contacted the FBI and Toronto Police Service the day after Magnotta posted the murder video online saying that he was worried it was real. Apparently he was shut down time and time again, only being listened to after the story broke, and after Magnotta had disappeared. I can't help but think that if the authorities had taken this man's calls seriously, they could have caught Magnotta before he fled (they now think he fled to France).

I believe I see the Blue Wall forming up here.    If they'd at least have looked at it, possibly this creep could have been apprehended at the airport.

Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 3):
Speaking of "in the heat of the moment", at the bottom of the article for this story on The Toronto Sun website, there's a poll asking if Canada should reinstate the death penalty...81% say yes. Of course The Sun is baiting these responses by putting the poll on the same page as this horrendous story, but even in a biased environment I think 81% is high!

So we change the law to meet an exception ? There has not been an execution in Canada (ironically, an American) for 50 years. It has been shown to a) not be a deterrent, and b) much more expensive than life imprisonment. Of course the Sun will play this up since their mission is to cater to mouth-breathers and droolers.

Quoting L-188 (Reply 4):
And you all thought amnerican politics where tough

        

Quoting cpd (Reply 6):
It's on SMH this morning (www.smh.com.au). It's disgusting. What makes people do this sort of sick stuff?

He's whacked, that's why. There is no really logical way to explain it, unless you happen to be a shrink and are on TV.

Quoting babybus (Reply 8):
Was this the same guy who filmed himself mutilating cats? How best to deal with sickos like this? I have no idea.

Drowning them, I believe.

Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 9):

I predict he'll spend a very long time in a mental institution. Maybe he'll even be buddies with Vincent Li.

But Vince Li now gets supervised outings. At the end of the day, I hope a dark cell where he can play with himself until he dies in anonymity.


User currently offlinegolfradio From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (2 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2317 times:

Quoting connies4ever (Reply 10):
Quoting babybus (Reply 8):Was this the same guy who filmed himself mutilating cats? How best to deal with sickos like this? I have no idea.

Drowning them, I believe.

Kittens. Apparently stuffing them in a plastic bag and then vacuuming the air out. He is a Psycho. The victim in this murder is believed to be a missing Chinese student.


User currently offlineWestJet747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (2 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2288 times:

Quoting connies4ever (Reply 10):
I believe I see the Blue Wall forming up here. If they'd at least have looked at it, possibly this creep could have been apprehended at the airport.

I read on The Toronto Star website last night that some officials have "expressed regret" about their inaction. Turns out the guy who was making these calls to authorities is apparently a lawyer.

Quoting connies4ever (Reply 10):
much more expensive than life imprisonment

But is the extensive appeal and review process really more extensive than, say, an extra 20 years of paying for someone's imprisonment?

Quoting connies4ever (Reply 10):
But Vince Li now gets supervised outings. At the end of the day, I hope a dark cell where he can play with himself until he dies in anonymity.

I wouldn't be too heartbroken if this Magnotta guy was thrown in a dark cell for a while, but I'm more curious to see what the results would be of his indepth mental assessment. I highly doubt he has severe schizophrenia like Vince Li.


User currently offlineconnies4ever From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (2 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2284 times:

Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 12):
Quoting connies4ever (Reply 10):
much more expensive than life imprisonment

But is the extensive appeal and review process really more extensive than, say, an extra 20 years of paying for someone's imprisonment?

Tying up court time is a very expensive business. The Crown has a ton of people deployed on cases like this, and the defendant, access to expert witnesses, yadda yadda. If a capital case, even moreso. As well, since this creep likely has no resources, we pay for all the lawyers. Then, of course, in the event an error of fact or law is found (I surely hope not here), you can release him (or maybe it's "it", seems to be androgynous in some sense).

Capital punishment will always be argued both pro and con. One thing in Canada is absolutely clear from the stats: the homicide rate in Canada since CP was abolished in 1974 has dropped 50% per capita. Despite this sicko, I think we're a better off society for it.


User currently offlinesquared From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (2 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2267 times:

The more details that come out, the more I'm utterly disturbed.

Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 3):
Speaking of "in the heat of the moment", at the bottom of the article for this story on The Toronto Sun website, there's a poll asking if Canada should reinstate the death penalty...81% say yes. Of course The Sun is baiting these responses by putting the poll on the same page as this horrendous story, but even in a biased environment I think 81% is high!

It is high, but polls have consistently shown a majority of Canadians are in favour of the death penalty. Despite the support, it's not coming back.

Quoting connies4ever (Reply 13):
Tying up court time is a very expensive business. The Crown has a ton of people deployed on cases like this, and the defendant, access to expert witnesses, yadda yadda. If a capital case, even moreso. As well, since this creep likely has no resources, we pay for all the lawyers. Then, of course, in the event an error of fact or law is found (I surely hope not here), you can release him (or maybe it's "it", seems to be androgynous in some sense).

Capital punishment will always be argued both pro and con. One thing in Canada is absolutely clear from the stats: the homicide rate in Canada since CP was abolished in 1974 has dropped 50% per capita. Despite this sicko, I think we're a better off society for it.

Exactly. Not to mention the courts have essentially made the return of the death penalty a non-starter. The Supreme Court has effectively stated that the death penalty is unconstitutional (see: United States v. Burns).


User currently offlineCompensateMe From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 2100 times:

This thread would probably draw more interest if the snuff film was mentioned in the title.

Interestingly, this guy was apparently a big aviation buff. I wonder if he ever participated within these forums?


User currently offlineL-188 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 2098 times:

Speaking of feet, did they ever figure out the story behind all those feets they kept finding out on the beaches around Victoria and Vancouver?

User currently offlineaerorobnz From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 2088 times:

Quoting CompensateMe (Reply 15):
Interestingly, this guy was apparently a big aviation buff. I wonder if he ever participated within these forums?

FLAIRPORT....


User currently offlineconnies4ever From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 1992 times:

Just in on BBC World: arrest made in Berlin of Luka Rocco Magnotta on an Interpol warrant.

And so the extradition proceedings begin, which I believe should be pro forma, and then his trial in Canada. If there is a conviction, and I presuppose nothing, I believe he will be designated as a "dangerous offender", which means, notwithstanding the 25 year term of a life sentence, he never gets out. Same as Paul Bernardo.


User currently offlinePanHAM From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 1984 times:

mmmhh, just seen that on TV, they catched him in an internet cafe. What a cozy place to spend the weeks and months before extradition. He could not have picked a better city to spend a vacation before he gets to see the Canadian jail system. .

User currently offlinespeedbird217 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 1973 times:

Let's hope they can fly him back to Canada. Who knows...with the current Berlin airport situation they probably have to send him back by ship... 

Anyway, good to see this sick creature behind bars.


User currently offlineDocLightning From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 1928 times:

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 17):
FLAIRPORT....

        

What bugs me about this whole thing is that I understand that he never had a criminal past and that this sort of behavior wasn't characteristic for him. Then, one day, he tortures a kitten. Then he carves up his boyfriend.

WTF went wrong in his brain? Mini-stroke or injury to some nerve pathway involved in empathy?


Quoting babybus (Reply 8):
Was this the same guy who filmed himself mutilating cats? How best to deal with sickos like this? I have no idea.

My opinion? Euthanasia. But that is indistinguishable from "Death Penalty" and the procedures by which we would ensure that such a system is not abused are problematic. This is why a few victims of the death penalty have been exhonerated posthumously. Since there is no way to mathematically prove guilt to 100.0% confidence, my second suggestion is solitary confinement for life.


User currently offlineCompensateMe From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 1871 times:

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 17):
FLAIRPORT....

Well, considering that he's very effeminate, I was thinking of EmiratesA350 (or something similar, his real name is Mark and he's from YYZ IIRC).

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 21):
What bugs me about this whole thing is that I understand that he never had a criminal past and that this sort of behavior wasn't characteristic for him. Then, one day, he tortures a kitten. Then he carves up his boyfriend.

He was able to cut through human limbs in a matter of seconds. It's likely he's had years of experience torturing animals yet wasn't caught. Apparently he tipped off his identity to an internet sleuth group (attempting to find the person responsible for the kitten videos) who then contacted the police in Canada, but they weren't interested.

And he was promoting his latest video weeks before he filmed it, while simultaneously responding to ads on Craigslist's M4M section. His victim likely was somebody meeting up with for a hook-up rather than an ex-lover.


User currently offlineimiakhtar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 1736 times:

According to news reports, Jun Lin got whacked by an ice pick in his head. Perhaps Magnotta was a Stalinist?

User currently offlinePanHAM From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 1719 times:

and Jun Lin a Trotzkist?

Germany should extradite the guy to China, they would deal with him quickly. But we don't do that, even when we extradite killers to the US (US citizens) the justice makes sure that the US cannot apply capital ounishment.

If he is uncooperative he will spend a long time in Germany.


25 Post contains links and images WestJet747 : It appears he is being quite cooperative: ‘Canadian Psycho’ suspect Luka Magnotta will not fight extradition[Edited 2012-06-06 06:55:08]
26 CompensateMe : He was mimicking Basic Instinct, his favorite movie.
27 AF1624 : Well, the sources vary. Some other sources say he has an overly narcissistic personality. Having tried to reach fame via traditional means (first try
28 Post contains images Rara : Well Berlin police is certainly on a roll this week. Yesterday they've located the Canadian ice-pickle psycho, and today they've only gone and found m
29 connies4ever : Hand and foot delivered to separate schools in Vancouver yesterday, I believe it was yesterday. Looks probably like more of the unfortunate Mr Lin. No
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