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"Five Wives" Vodka Banned In Idaho  
User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12856 posts, RR: 25
Posted (2 years 6 months 1 day ago) and read 1913 times:

Strange world we live in:

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SALT LAKE CITY (AP) - Five Wives Vodka was named in bad taste and won't be stocked or special ordered at stores operated by the state of Idaho, regulators said.

The middle-shelf vodka is made by Ogden's Own Distillery in Utah, where the Mormon church is based. Its label carries the name and an image of five women, an apparent reference to polygamy, a practice abandoned by the church more than a century ago.

Idaho State Liquor Division administrator Jeff Anderson said the brand is offensive to Mormons who make up over a quarter of Idaho's population.

Five Wives Vodka has been approved for sale in Utah, a state dominated by members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

Note that the product is not only approved for sale in Utah, it's made there too!

Ref: http://www.klewtv.com/news/offbeat/I...offensive-to-church-155691515.html

For the other side of the story:

Quote:

They're "five wives who just like to get together and have a cocktail."

They're not meant to be a direct reference to polygamy and those kittens they're holding in their laps are ... just part of a photograph that's reflective of the 1890s to early 1900s.

For all anyone knows, they might be lesbians.

Those are some of the things that Five Wives Vodka director of marketing Steve Conlin had to say this afternoon to All Things Considered co-host Robert Siegel about the news that the company's product has been banned in Idaho because its label and its name might offend Mormons and women.

Ref: http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/...ves-vodka-says-it-meant-no-offense

So many places to go with this, such little time...


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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 20247 posts, RR: 59
Reply 1, posted (2 years 6 months 22 hours ago) and read 1858 times:

Cue First Amendment lawsuit in 3... 2... 1...

And to think people are worried about MUSLIM Sharia law in the US...  


User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 40036 posts, RR: 74
Reply 2, posted (2 years 6 months 21 hours ago) and read 1839 times:

Expect to see a lot of references to the Mormon Church this election year to scare people from voting for a certain Mormon candidate.
I wouldn't mind drinking 5 wives vodka. I'm sure it taste better than Fleischmann's Vodka.



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User currently offlineL410Turbolet From Czech Republic, joined May 2004, 5741 posts, RR: 19
Reply 3, posted (2 years 6 months 21 hours ago) and read 1838 times:

They should send a case or two of their vodka to that Idaho State Liquor Division administrator... so much free (inter)national publicity at the cost of bing banned in a state with only miniscule population, seems like a pretty good deal to me.

User currently offlinesrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (2 years 6 months 21 hours ago) and read 1824 times:

There's been similar situations with beers in some states. Flying Dog could not get their "Raging Bitch" beer approved for sale in Michigan because the name. There's been some states that also banned some beers in which Santa Claus or his elves were on the label.

User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 40036 posts, RR: 74
Reply 5, posted (2 years 6 months 21 hours ago) and read 1806 times:

Quoting srbmod (Reply 4):
Flying Dog could not get their "Raging Bitch" beer approved for sale in Michigan because the name.

Makes sense to me because many of the women I've meet from Michigan were....... well you get my point.  
Quoting L410Turbolet (Reply 3):
They should send a case or two of their vodka to that Idaho State Liquor Division administrator... so much free (inter)national publicity at the cost of bing banned in a state with only miniscule population, seems like a pretty good deal to me.

Exactly.
I've never even heard of this vodka until reading this story. Now I want to drink a bottle.
More importantly, I'd like to celebrate with a bottle of Five Wives Vodka at Mitt Romney's victory party coming this November! ! ! !                        



Bring back the Concorde
User currently onlinefr8mech From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 5603 posts, RR: 15
Reply 6, posted (2 years 6 months 20 hours ago) and read 1772 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 1):
And to think people are worried about MUSLIM Sharia law in the US...


Except, I don't see this as a religious argument...I see it as a busy body government regulatory agency determining who is offended and by what they are offended.

I read a couple of articles from different sites about this topic, and didn't see where a member of the LDS Church complained about it.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 5):
I've never even heard of this vodka until reading this story.


Not really a fan of Vodka. The wife mixes it with beer and orange juice. Makes some kind of party concoction that a lot of our friends like. I find it a little too foo-fooey for my taste.



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User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12856 posts, RR: 25
Reply 7, posted (2 years 6 months 18 hours ago) and read 1695 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 2):
Expect to see a lot of references to the Mormon Church this election year to scare people from voting for a certain Mormon candidate.

Could be, but I doubt this is one. We're talking about Idaho here. If Mitt doesn't take Idaho with its 1/4th Mormon population, he should pack it in now.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 2):
I wouldn't mind drinking 5 wives vodka.

Yes, but from your posts in the marriage thread, you sure as heck don't want 1 wife, never mind 5 wives! 
Quoting srbmod (Reply 4):
There's been similar situations with beers in some states. Flying Dog could not get their "Raging Bitch" beer approved for sale in Michigan because the name. There's been some states that also banned some beers in which Santa Claus or his elves were on the label.

That reminds me of a story on BBC where the UK Parliament's member's bar (yes, they have a bar!) banned a beer that one member introduced because another member objected. The name of the beer had a controversial word in it (I think it was 'tart', or some such) and the label had a picture of a buxom female with a low cut dress on. Needless to say the objector was a feminist and the supporter was a member just trying to get business for the brewer, and of course that's exactly what he got when the feminist complained!

BTW can you imagine a US Congressional Bar? Maybe they'd all get along better if they were in the habit of drinking in the same room, but these days, they'd need to have bouncers at the ready and every employee would need judo training so they could smack down the congress members once they got a buzz on and got horny!

Quoting Superfly (Reply 5):
I've never even heard of this vodka until reading this story. Now I want to drink a bottle.
More importantly, I'd like to celebrate with a bottle of Five Wives Vodka at Mitt Romney's victory party coming this November! ! ! !

Are you sure you haven't started drinking early? 



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User currently offlineWestJet747 From Canada, joined Aug 2011, 1909 posts, RR: 10
Reply 8, posted (2 years 6 months 17 hours ago) and read 1676 times:

It's just a name, geez...

Quoting Superfly (Reply 2):
I wouldn't mind drinking 5 wives vodka. I'm sure it taste better than Fleischmann's Vodka.

...or better than any "Russian" vodka not actually from Russia.

Quoting L410Turbolet (Reply 3):
They should send a case or two of their vodka to that Idaho State Liquor Division administrator... so much free (inter)national publicity at the cost of bing banned in a state with only miniscule population, seems like a pretty good deal to me.
Quoting Superfly (Reply 5):
I've never even heard of this vodka until reading this story. Now I want to drink a bottle.

   If I see a bottle up here I'm definitely buying it just out of sheer curiosity.

Quoting fr8mech (Reply 6):
Not really a fan of Vodka. The wife mixes it with beer and orange juice.

Ugh, that sounds awful! In my experience, mixing beer and liquor usually results in me screaming into the porcelain telephone when I get home.

Quoting Revelation (Reply 7):
UK Parliament's member's bar (yes, they have a bar!)

Toronto Police headquarters has a bar for commanding officers as well.



Flying refined.
User currently onlinefr8mech From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 5603 posts, RR: 15
Reply 9, posted (2 years 6 months 17 hours ago) and read 1645 times:

Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 8):
Ugh, that sounds awful! In my experience, mixing beer and liquor usually results in me screaming into the porcelain telephone when I get home.


Maybe it was Vodka, Beer and Lemonade?

Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 8):
Toronto Police headquarters has a bar for commanding officers as well.


We used to have beer in the Coke machine at the firehouse (a long time ago).

Quoting srbmod (Reply 4):
"Raging Bitch"


I can see where "Raging Bitch" may be considered offensive by some, especially those that don't relate the word to a dog. But, in my humble, free market opinion, except in very narrow cases, it is up to the public, via their wallets to decide what is offensive and what is not. Not, some unelected bureaucrat.



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User currently offlinesrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (2 years 6 months 13 hours ago) and read 1575 times:

Quoting Revelation (Reply 7):
That reminds me of a story on BBC where the UK Parliament's member's bar (yes, they have a bar!) banned a beer that one member introduced because another member objected. The name of the beer had a controversial word in it (I think it was 'tart', or some such) and the label had a picture of a buxom female with a low cut dress on. Needless to say the objector was a feminist and the supporter was a member just trying to get business for the brewer, and of course that's exactly what he got when the feminist complained!


Five Wives is far from the first alcoholic beverage to poke a little fun at the Mormons. There's a brewery in Utah that sells a beer called Polygamy Porter and the tagline for the brew is "Why Have Just One?" They've had billboard companies in Utah refuse their billboards.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=92216&page=1#.T8kPwNVYtyE

I'm also reminded of one of Laguinitas' beers, called Kronik that the brewery was forced to drop the name because of the drug reference. They now call it "Censored" and the packaging is the same packaging they used for Kronik just with a black bar saying "Censored" over the name.


User currently offlinegarnetpalmetto From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5423 posts, RR: 52
Reply 11, posted (2 years 6 months 12 hours ago) and read 1565 times:

Quoting srbmod (Reply 10):

I'm also reminded of one of Laguinitas' beers, called Kronik that the brewery was forced to drop the name because of the drug reference. They now call it "Censored" and the packaging is the same packaging they used for Kronik just with a black bar saying "Censored" over the name.

Thanks for solving a big mystery for me Steven! I love Lagunitas Censored but always wondered *what* was censored as you could see there was a name under the bar. I also thought immediately of Polygamy Porter (the brewery is Squatter's Pub...just a little walk/stumble from Temple Square!)



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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7859 posts, RR: 19
Reply 12, posted (2 years 6 months 9 hours ago) and read 1478 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 1):
Cue First Amendment lawsuit in 3... 2... 1...

   Yeah, really.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 5):
More importantly, I'd like to celebrate with a bottle of Five Wives Vodka at Mitt Romney's victory party coming this November! ! ! !

I'd join you in that party, Fly!   



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User currently offlinebraybuddy From India, joined Aug 2004, 5795 posts, RR: 32
Reply 13, posted (2 years 6 months 8 hours ago) and read 1461 times:

WOW! An ad man's wet dream! If nobody ever heard of Five WIves vodka they sure will now. Was this a stunt dreamed-up by their advertising agency, I wonder?

User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 20247 posts, RR: 59
Reply 14, posted (2 years 6 months 4 hours ago) and read 1408 times:

Quoting fr8mech (Reply 6):
Except, I don't see this as a religious argument...I see it as a busy body government regulatory agency determining who is offended and by what they are offended.

Turn it around for a moment. Suppose someone came up with, say, "70 Virgins" Vodka/Beer/Whatever and a busybody government regulatory agency put the kibosh on it because Muslims might be offended.

How long do you think it would take for the "Sharia" people to come out of the woodwork?


User currently offlineseb146 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 11768 posts, RR: 15
Reply 15, posted (2 years 6 months 2 hours ago) and read 1374 times:

Idaho is such a wierd state. Mormons in the southeast, Nazis in the far north, near normalcy in the southwest, party in the north-central... it is all very strange. In the far north (Coeur d'Alene/Moscow/Lewiston) no one would care about the name of this vodka. Probably not even drink it after the first bottle. Treasure Valley (Boise) would probably have a bar or two claim how up-scale they are with this vodka and the southeast would not stock it at all; that is where the Mormon population is centered.


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User currently offlineSSTeve From United States of America, joined Dec 2011, 727 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (2 years 6 months 1 hour ago) and read 1359 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 1):
Cue First Amendment lawsuit in 3... 2... 1...

If the Idaho liquor board can come up with some sort of consistent rule, a lawsuit might not go far. In Utah, they tended to ban any sort of beer label that might "appeal to children," so any beer with Santa Claus on the label was verboten. That's not really a free speech issue, s'far as I can tell. The other issue is... who's going to pay for suing Idaho? Cetainly not a small distillery in Ogden.

Quoting srbmod (Reply 10):
There's a brewery in Utah that sells a beer called Polygamy Porter and the tagline for the brew is "Why Have Just One?"

To some extent, Utah's DABC knows which battles to pick. They go hard on anything that might allow them to invoke "think of the children!" However, they've let some things go, like Polygamy Porter and Provo Girl. I do seem to recall some sort of issue with a "Jack Mormon" Stout recently-- it's more that mainstream LDS might be offended, versus tweaking polygamists, who aren't mainstream.

[Edited 2012-06-02 04:35:13 by srbmod]

User currently offlineGoldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 6101 posts, RR: 14
Reply 17, posted (2 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1322 times:

Quoting SSTeve (Reply 17):
I do seem to recall some sort of issue with a "Jack Mormon" Stout recently-- it's more that mainstream LDS might be offended, versus tweaking polygamists, who aren't mainstream.

And that's where the stupidity comes in. Those that are complaining about the name are 0% likely to drink it. Why should they care what a drink is called? This is exacerbated by too much time spent in the Utah legislature arguing over alcohol related issues than over real issues, like father's rights.

[Edited 2012-06-02 03:10:00]


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User currently onlinefr8mech From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 5603 posts, RR: 15
Reply 18, posted (2 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 1262 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 14):
Turn it around for a moment. Suppose someone came up with, say, "70 Virgins" Vodka/Beer/Whatever and a busybody government regulatory agency put the kibosh on it because Muslims might be offended.

How long do you think it would take for the "Sharia" people to come out of the woodwork?

Again, my concern is with a regulatory agency determining what is 'offensive' vs. allowing the market to determine it. I could care less if it was banned because it offended Muslims, LDS members or Jedi's, it's not up to the government to ban it because it may offend.

Let's read the mission statement of the Idaho State Liquor Division:

"The mission of the Idaho State Liquor Division is to provide control over the importation, distribution, sale, and consumption of distilled spirits; to curtail intemperate use of beverage alcohol; and to responsibly optimize the net revenues to the citizens of Idaho."

Don't really see anything about offending anyone, do you?

It's another form of 'governmental mission creep'.



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User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12856 posts, RR: 25
Reply 19, posted (2 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 1195 times:

Quoting srbmod (Reply 10):
Quoting Revelation (Reply 7):
That reminds me of a story on BBC where the UK Parliament's member's bar (yes, they have a bar!) banned a beer that one member introduced because another member objected. The name of the beer had a controversial word in it (I think it was 'tart', or some such) and the label had a picture of a buxom female with a low cut dress on. Needless to say the objector was a feminist and the supporter was a member just trying to get business for the brewer, and of course that's exactly what he got when the feminist complained!

Thanks for tracking that down.

I have to say the image of the female is far more modest than the report lead me to think.

I'm sorry the lady MP couldn't have found something more useful to do with her time and energy than complain about that.



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