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User currently offlineplanejamie From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2011, 576 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 1007 times:

I was wondering if anyone has any ideas on an affordable video camera, I ideally need the following features:

- Good night/low light video capabilities (e.g. filming on a street in a city at night)
- Ideally high definition (720p will do)
- Good sound quality from an inbuilt microphone
- Compact (point and shoot digital camera sized)
- Below £300

I might be asking a lot, but I didn't want to post this in the Photography forum as it wouldn't be used for aviation photography that much and I'm not looking for a huge DSLR (though that probably would fulfil all the criteria but would be too expensive and not compact enough). It would be used for Vlogging and other short films (I have many ideas, many people willing to be involved but not the right equipment)

Thanks,
Jamie  

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User currently offlineajd1992 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 1005 times:

Contour do some amazing stuff as do GoPro.

I'm looking at the Roam but they do the Contour+ as well.

Only problem - no screen, and the videoing settings have to be set via computer, not on the go.


User currently onlinealberchico From United States of America, joined exactly 10 years ago today! , 2921 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 975 times:

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produc..._E10BUS_GZ_E10_Full_HD_Everio.html

JVC makes good entry level hd cams.



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User currently offlineplanejamie From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2011, 576 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 974 times:

Quoting ajd1992 (Reply 1):
Contour do some amazing stuff as do GoPro.

I'm looking at the Roam but they do the Contour+ as well.

Only problem - no screen, and the videoing settings have to be set via computer, not on the go.

I came so close to buying a GoPro and I could have used it for a whole bunch of different things but the lack of a screen (well there is one for about £60) and the inability to review/delete footage that I don't want on the go puts me off a bit. If I was going to record using a computer, I'd buy a decent HD webcam instead, but that would mean lugging a laptop round with you, Contour I've not heard of, so I'll take a look and see what they're like  
Quoting alberchico (Reply 2):

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produc..._E10BUS_GZ_E10_Full_HD_Everio.html

JVC makes good entry level hd cams.

That's actually a really good one to consider, pretty much exactly what I'm looking for - the only issue is how well would it be in low light, everything else seems fine   Thanks


User currently offlineManuCH From Switzerland, joined Jun 2005, 3011 posts, RR: 47
Reply 4, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 960 times:
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If you would consider a compact digital camera which also acts as a camcorder, have a look at the Canon Powershot S100

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canons100

I have one, which I've purchased mainly for taking photos when I don't have my DSLR with me, and I'm also considering using it for vlogging.

I've done some tests so far and I'm quite satisfied. The video quality is extremely good for a compact camera.

Pros:
- probably the best compact camera around as far as photos are concerned
- all-manual settings, like on a DSLR
- small
- fast
- bright lens (f/2)

Drawbacks:
- in very silent situations (like, in your house when nobody is talking and you want to talk to the camera alone) you hear the autofocus motor in the movie. By putting it into manual focus you don't hear it anymore.
- autofocus struggles a bit in very low light
- 720p is 30p (which is good), but 1080p is only 24p, and very jerky when panning
- you need to carry a spare battery (but it's very small), as it has below-average battery life (about 200 photos or 45 minutes of filming)

Of course if you're really looking for a camcorder, this won't help you. Just thought I might put it into the mix.



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User currently offlineplanejamie From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2011, 576 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 943 times:

ManuCH - That's actually what I'm looking for, I'd use it for stills too. I currently have a Cannon Powershot A430 but that's getting on a bit and well it's far from HD haha! 1080p being 24 frames per second wouldn't be an issue for me as I edit in that format and the video I currently get off my phone (720p) is like that (plus being in the UK where they use PAL rather than NTSC, everything is 24/25 frames per second). Chances are on video, I'd manually focus it anyway for effect.

Can it charge/run off USB power? The reason I ask is because if I was on the go, I would charge it in my car through a USB car adapter I have and use with my iPod & Phone (from Belkin). Another question is as you actually use it, is it any good at video in low light?

This is certainly one to consider and is certainly affordable   Thanks for the advice there


User currently offlineManuCH From Switzerland, joined Jun 2005, 3011 posts, RR: 47
Reply 6, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 934 times:
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Quoting planejamie (Reply 5):
1080p being 24 frames per second wouldn't be an issue for me as I edit in that format and the video I currently get off my phone (720p) is like that (plus being in the UK where they use PAL rather than NTSC, everything is 24/25 frames per second).

I live in a PAL country too, but I prefer doing my vlog videos in 30p. I prefer the look of 30p vs 24p - and I will be uploading the videos to Youtube or Vimeo anyway. I'm not transferring it to film to show it in a cinema. But other people prefer the look of 24p. At the end I guess it's a matter of personal preference, and whether you do any panning or not.

Quoting planejamie (Reply 5):
Can it charge/run off USB power? The reason I ask is because if I was on the go, I would charge it in my car through a USB car adapter I have and use with my iPod & Phone (from Belkin).

No, you can't charge it or run it directly off USB power or through a car adapter. But there are very cheap car chargers for its NB-5L battery. For example this one: http://goo.gl/3HCZM

Quoting planejamie (Reply 5):
Another question is as you actually use it, is it any good at video in low light?

I have yet to try it in complex low light situations. Static filming from out of the window at night was good so far   but I want to test it in situations like traffic on a road or in general while moving, to see how autofocus behaves. So I don't have a conclusive answer on this for you. When do you have to decide on your purchase? I may have some low light test videos for you in the next couple of weeks or so.



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User currently offlineplanejamie From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2011, 576 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 924 times:

Quoting ManuCH (Reply 6):
I have yet to try it in complex low light situations. Static filming from out of the window at night was good so far   but I want to test it in situations like traffic on a road or in general while moving, to see how autofocus behaves. So I don't have a conclusive answer on this for you. When do you have to decide on your purchase? I may have some low light test videos for you in the next couple of weeks or so.

Yeah I don't do any panning or anything but if I'm honest I've never noticed much between 30 and 24p... I've not got to decide for a few weeks yet, though if it does static low light quite well I think the night time low light should be alright - I'm planning on a video set to M83 - Midnight City or possibly another song but essentially driving in a city centre with a camera mounted to the dashboard in the evening/night time. I got the inspiration recently when I was driving home from the cinema in my local town late at night (technically a 'city' but not that large to be honest) and my mate who's into photography said "with little traffic and all the multistory car park lights, buildings, street lights and traffic lights these would make good photos" which gave me the idea. I've just recently started vlogging as a speak to camera type thing, but I've not been keeping it up much lately (only 2 videos up). It would be shot in real time though I could speed it up a little bit to fit the music possibly.

With car power, I don't think that would be a problem charging it like that as I have two cigarette-lighter style sockets in my car near the front (just no cigarette lighter bit for some reason, they both have a plastic cover with "12V" on them, probably because I've never seen anyone use one of those in-car lighters!)


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