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Mitt Romney: The Republican John Kerry?  
User currently offlineKFLLCFII From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 3309 posts, RR: 30
Posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 1974 times:

The similarities between the lead-ups to the 2004 and 2012 elections are striking to me. On one side you have an incumbent who, in the eyes of the opposition, must be defeated at all cost lest they suffer unimaginable doom, while on the other side this opposition becomes stuck with a candidate who isn't very appealing to the base, seems to go whichever way the wind blows, and for all intents and purposes a vote for him is a just a vote for "not the other guy".

I wasn't on the side of John Kerry, but I'm pretty sure I know what the opposition to the incumbency in 2004 must have felt when I look at Mitt Romney in 2012. All suit, hair, and money, trying to appeal to everyone (in the face of unimaginable doom ), while really appealing to no one.

I have a feeling Mitt Romney will go the way of John Kerry. And it pains me to say it.

Thoughts?


"About the only way to look at it, just a pity you are not POTUS KFLLCFII, seems as if we would all be better off."
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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 40066 posts, RR: 74
Reply 1, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 1951 times:

The only similarities is that they both were elected to statewide office in Massachusetts.

Quoting KFLLCFII (Thread starter):
this opposition becomes stuck with a candidate who isn't very appealing to the base


Not true at all. The left-wing LOVED John Kerry. Just look at his voting record in the Senate.

Quoting KFLLCFII (Thread starter):
All suit, hair, and money, trying to appeal to everyone (in the face of unimaginable doom ), while really appealing to no one.



John Kerry appealed to a lot of voters - on the left.
John Kerry even won the independent vote. The right-wingers were more successful in getting their people out to the polls. Also, the gay-marriage issue on the ballot in Ohio in 2004 brought out the religious right in southern Ohio in droves to barely put Dubya & Co over the top in Ohio. Had Kerry won Ohio, he would have been the 44th President.

Also, the Democrats united behind John Kerry early on during the primaries. It wasn't so easy for Mitt Romney dealing with that basket case named Rick Santorum and the Ron Paul cultist.



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User currently offlineKen777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 8478 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 1881 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 1):
The right-wingers were more successful in getting their people out to the polls

And, the critical factor in that election, the Swift Boat attacks. A pretty good demonstration that a wealthy person can throw in a pile of cash and garbage and shift an election.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 1):
It wasn't so easy for Mitt Romney dealing with that basket case named Rick Santorum and the Ron Paul cultist.

The great thing about the GOP primaries is that those left on the side of the campaign trail have provided the Democrats with a treasure trove of sound bites against Romney. I have a feeling that we will be seeing them this fall.

I believe that Romney is a lot like Kerry in some ways. Wealth, for sure. Both "good guys". Know how to dress well and can get a seat in a good restaurant.

Kerry served in the Navy. What did Romney do besides his two years in Paris for the Mormon Church? That is the start of the differences, but not a big deal these days.

Romney is also going to need to address his years as governor. RomneyCare is going to be continuous. As will his poor performance on jobs - 48th is not something you want to run on.


User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 40066 posts, RR: 74
Reply 3, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 1879 times:

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 2):
A pretty good demonstration that a wealthy person can throw in a pile of cash and garbage and shift an election.


Just like President Obama who is expected to raise $1BILLION ! ! !
That is a lot more than Romney and it looks like Obama has a lot of 1%ers donating to his campaign. Don't think they're donating to him out of the goodness of their heart.

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 2):
provided the Democrats with a treasure trove of sound bites against Romney.


Well of course because Obama can't run on his own accomplishments.

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 2):
Know how to dress well and can get a seat in a good restaurant.


So can Obama.

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 2):
What did Romney do besides his two years in Paris for the Mormon Church?



Don't EVEN go there!

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 2):
RomneyCare is going to be continuous.


...and he's already explained that and will be very happy to explain what he had accomplished with bi-partisan support with RomneyCare in MA. The voters in MA elected Republican Scott Brown to block Obama's health-care bill.



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User currently offlinecasinterest From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4792 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 1874 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 3):
Don't EVEN go there!

Why not?
It's a valid point. Especially for the Freedom Fries cheer crew.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 3):
The voters in MA elected Republican Scott Brown to block Obama's health-care bill.

So voters in Mass are one issue dimwits?


Romney is john Kerry all over. Bland entitled politician who feels he has "earned" the shot at the presidency.



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 20340 posts, RR: 59
Reply 5, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 1868 times:

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 2):
I believe that Romney is a lot like Kerry in some ways. Wealth, for sure. Both "good guys". Know how to dress well and can get a seat in a good restaurant.

This isn't the first time I've heard the comparison between Kerry and Romney. The big common factor between the two is that they are just too...what's the word...shiny? They both were a lot like the CO (now UA) livery. Bland, boring, and cheerfully inoffensive. Just...stiff. And Romney I think has that problem even worse than Kerry did. In fact, Kerry looked downright gritty as compared to Romney, who seems to be still in his shrink-wrap or something.

Something that you need to beat an incumbent is passion. You really need to be able to rile up your base to go to the polls and turn out. Unfortunately for Romney, I just don't think he has it.


User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 40066 posts, RR: 74
Reply 6, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 1863 times:

Quoting casinterest (Reply 4):
Why not?
It's a valid point. Especially for the Freedom Fries cheer crew.

Because going in to Obama's past unearths many shady characters including terrorist.

Quoting casinterest (Reply 4):
So voters in Mass are one issue dimwits?

Quite possibly. Scott Brown might lose to a fake Indian.
Quoting DocLightning (Reply 5):
The big common factor between the two is that they are just too...what's the word...shiny?

....and Obama is sooooo rugged and gritty!
LOL!



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 20340 posts, RR: 59
Reply 7, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 1854 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 6):
....and Obama is sooooo rugged and gritty!

Hey, he smoked some herb when he was a kid (and now is on some bizarre unpopular crusade against it, admittedly), spent a lot of his childhood in Indonesia, is biracial from a time before that was even "cool," and doesn't look half-bad with his shirt off. He has the feel of a man who has lived a bit.

Romney, in all likelihood, has never touched alcohol, let alone herb. He's probably only ever had sex with his wife. Probably doesn't even swear. He's just a little too picture-perfect, and I think that's going to alienate him from some voters simply because they can't relate to someone that squeaky-clean.


User currently offlineKen777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 8478 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 1852 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 6):
....and Obama is sooooo rugged and gritty!

At least he can play a bit of basketball.

Romney probably doesn't dribble - him Mommy would have told him that it wasn't the thing to do.

I say we need a game of 1 On 1. On TV. Prime time.

Romney will probably wear well pressed jeans & wingtips.         


User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 40066 posts, RR: 74
Reply 9, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 1849 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 7):
Romney, in all likelihood, has never touched alcohol, let alone herb. He's probably only ever had sex with his wife. Probably doesn't even swear. He's just a little too picture-perfect, and I think that's going to alienate him from some voters simply because they can't relate to someone that squeaky-clean.



That is why I was for Newt Gingrich in the end. He is far from perfect. He is ugly, mean, a total d--k and is unpredictable. That is what I really wanted to see go up against that pretty boy in the White House right now.

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 8):
At least he can play a bit of basketball.


...yet throws a baseball like a girl.  
Quoting Ken777 (Reply 8):
I say we need a game of 1 On 1. On TV. Prime time.



I say we send Obama on a 1 way ticket to Hollywood to be with his friends. He is a much better actor than a politician.
Yes Romney is boring and square which I'm totally OK with. I'm not looking to elect someone for their 'cool' factor.



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User currently offlineeinsteinboricua From Puerto Rico, joined Apr 2010, 3377 posts, RR: 8
Reply 10, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 1841 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 9):
Quoting Ken777 (Reply 8):
At least he can play a bit of basketball.


...yet throws a baseball like a girl.

So he's not perfect. Do you expect Michael Phelps to bowl a perfect game?

Quoting Superfly (Reply 9):
That is why I was for Newt Gingrich in the end. He is far from perfect. He is ugly, mean, a total d--k and is unpredictable. That is what I really wanted to see go up against that pretty boy in the White House right now.

So, if I understood this correctly, you'd rather have someone who flipflops on every issue and then not owe you an excuse rather than have someone who may consistently maintain a position on an issue and justify it whether he changes his stance or not? No wonder the US is going down the drain...  



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 40066 posts, RR: 74
Reply 11, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 1834 times:

Quoting einsteinboricua (Reply 10):
No wonder the US is going down the drain...

....and who is the President right now?

Quoting einsteinboricua (Reply 10):
Do you expect Michael Phelps to bowl a perfect game?

Of course not.

Quoting einsteinboricua (Reply 10):
So he's not perfect.

You can't say that!
He is perfect!
-well according to the press and his supporters.



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User currently offlineeinsteinboricua From Puerto Rico, joined Apr 2010, 3377 posts, RR: 8
Reply 12, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 1821 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 11):
Quoting einsteinboricua (Reply 10):
So he's not perfect.

You can't say that!
He is perfect!
-well according to the press and his supporters.

I'm a supporter and don't believe what the media says all the time. I can recognize by myself whether a candidate is suitable or not. I'm satisfied with what he's done and I'd like to see him win a second term.



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 20340 posts, RR: 59
Reply 13, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 1777 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 9):
That is why I was for Newt Gingrich in the end. He is far from perfect. He is ugly, mean, a total d--k and is unpredictable. That is what I really wanted to see go up against that pretty boy in the White House right now.

The trouble wit Newt is that he was OK with himself being an adulterous womanizer, but he's going to tell everyone else about morality. Hypocrites fall somewhere below serial killers on my list of people for whom I have a use. Serial killers have some theoretical uses.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 11):
....and who is the President right now?

Who is in charge of actually making laws right now? That's the bigger question.


User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12961 posts, RR: 25
Reply 14, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 1777 times:

Quoting KFLLCFII (Thread starter):
seems to go whichever way the wind blows

IMHO Romney is a flip-flopper just like Kerry. He so desperately wants the job, he'll take whatever position he thinks he needs to take to get the job.

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 2):
And, the critical factor in that election, the Swift Boat attacks. A pretty good demonstration that a wealthy person can throw in a pile of cash and garbage and shift an election.
Quoting Superfly (Reply 3):
Just like President Obama who is expected to raise $1BILLION ! ! !
That is a lot more than Romney and it looks like Obama has a lot of 1%ers donating to his campaign. Don't think they're donating to him out of the goodness of their heart.

Yes, Obama is projected to raise more than $1B, but if you throw in the PACs and SuperPACs, Romney is projected to raise something like 30% more money than Obama, and it's that money that ends up being used for things like the Swift Boat attack ads, because the campaign can blame the SuperPAC for going negative if the ads end up going a step too far.

It seems the conservative side is splintered but each of those splinters (guns, anti-abortion, anti-gay, tea party, "patriots", etc) are very effective at getting their supporters to part with their money.

I heard that an insider said that if you live in a swing state you should just throw your TV out, because all you will be seeing this fall are attack ads.



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 40066 posts, RR: 74
Reply 15, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 1772 times:

Quoting Revelation (Reply 14):
Romney is projected to raise something like 30% more money than Obama


I hope you're right.

Quoting Revelation (Reply 14):
that money that ends up being used for things like the Swift Boat attack ads, because the campaign can blame the SuperPAC for going negative if the ads end up going a step too far.


Actually Romney can emphasize Obama's record as President. He can run a clean campaign on the issues and point out Obama's record as President.

Quoting Revelation (Reply 14):
I heard that an insider said that if you live in a swing state you should just throw your TV out, because all you will be seeing this fall are attack ads.


People should throw out their TVs anyway. Nothing worth watching since the Three's Company went off air.
Besides, those negotiations about Obamacare never aired on C-span as he promised.  



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 20340 posts, RR: 59
Reply 16, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 1750 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 15):
Nothing worth watching since the Three's Company went off air.

The Discovery Channel's show: "Wings."

All your arguments are invalid.  
Quoting Revelation (Reply 14):

It seems the conservative side is splintered but each of those splinters (guns, anti-abortion, anti-gay, tea party, "patriots", etc) are very effective at getting their supporters to part with their money.

The Conservative side is very united in their hatred for Obama. So united that you will see Evangelical Christians voting for someone who only months ago, they would have said was a "dangerous cultist."


User currently offlinecasinterest From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4792 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 1746 times:

Quoting Revelation (Reply 14):
I heard that an insider said that if you live in a swing state you should just throw your TV out, because all you will be seeing this fall are attack ads.

I am already planning on canceling cable subscription. It is already so fricken annoying . the half facts and falsehoods are just annoying from both sides.



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User currently offlineKen777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 8478 posts, RR: 9
Reply 18, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 1716 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 3):
Just like President Obama who is expected to raise $1BILLION ! ! !

First, I was talking about one guy with a lot of money funding the Swift Boat BullShit. I consider that a low point in politics.

Secondly, it looks like the GOP will raise more money this time around, especially with Citizens United allowing corporations pour shareholder's money into campaigns.

This is an election where, dollar wise, the advantage will go to the GOP.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 3):
Well of course because Obama can't run on his own accomplishments.

He can start with stopping the horrid financial collapse in this country (the Bush/Cheney Great Recession - remember?)

Then the point to the health reform, which was part of his 08 campaign. Anyone with a pre-existing condition can remember that one.

Then there is the improvement in international relations. Taking us away from the Ugly American of the Bush/Cheney Years.

Then, of course, his use of SEAL Team 6 multiple times, including the killing of OBL. That beat the hell out of the Bush/Cheney EGO War in Iraq.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 3):
So can Obama.

But Romney was able to from birth. Romney was born with money and connections - thanks to wonderful cars, like the Lark and Gremlin.

Obama was born at a lower economic level, to understate the situation.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 3):
Don't EVEN go there!

Why not? It is a Church with a lot of "secret mystics", was founded on polygamy and (until recently) excluded blacks.

And they have magic underwear!   

Quoting Superfly (Reply 3):
...and he's already explained that

Sure he has - to his satisfaction. Unfortunately RomneyCare did establish a mandate in the country - first state to do so. Personally I prefer core care based on a Medicare type program with gap available. RomneyCare type programs hold costs down, but don't really reduce costs.

RomneyCare will be a sticking point until the election.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 3):
Well of course because Obama can't run on his own accomplishments.

Do you really believe that the GOP has never used sound bites from Democratic primaries? Come on, you know they have and will continue to do it in the future whenever possible.

It is just that the GOP primaries presented so many opportunities for soundbites and they were, in many cases, pretty brutal.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 9):
He is far from perfect. He is ugly, mean, a total d--k and is unpredictable.

And he would have ended up having more problems with the GOP than Willard. I'll give him credit when it comes to campaigning - at least on the debate stage. He would have been exposed to some hard hits that make the Swift Boat game look pretty tame and probably was unelectable because of his dark side.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 9):
...yet throws a baseball like a girl.

And he scores. The guy can hit a 3 pointer and you don't like his form?

Quoting Superfly (Reply 11):
....and who is the President right now?

The guy that came in to clean up the massive FUMAR of the Great Recession.

The guy who is pulling troops out of Iraq after the GOP invaded it for so called WMDs.

The guy who was able to kill OBL without invading an entire country.

Quoting Revelation (Reply 14):
He so desperately wants the job, he'll take whatever position he thinks he needs to take to get the job.

Ain't that the truth!

What we need to wait for is the name of the running mate. Chances of getting someone like Cheney is pretty scary, with Romney not being the strongest of political wills. A Cheney type VP would control him with ease - just like Cheney appears to have done with W.


User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20822 posts, RR: 62
Reply 19, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 1698 times:

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 18):
Then, of course, his use of SEAL Team 6 multiple times, including the killing of OBL. That beat the hell out of the Bush/Cheney EGO War in Iraq.

And DADT was repealed under his watch, where DoMA was enacted under Clinton. In my opinion, Obama has been very shrewd in his first three years. He's given something, not a lot, and not everything promised, but something, to almost every partisan group out there.

I recall all the posts here in 2008 claiming that Obama wasn't CiC material. But he drew down forces in Iraq without the country going into civil war, while Afghanistan is still a work in progress. No major wars I can think of have broken out under his watch. No large-scale acts of terrorism have taken place. These are all things that are going to appeal to a wide audience who are looking for some stability to enable the economy to recover further.

I won't claim that I've been totally happy with Obama, but I certainly don't have that "we've really gotta get this guy out of office" that I felt towards Bush in '04. There are probably many others out there with the same point of view.



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User currently offlineKen777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 8478 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 1659 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 19):
And DADT was repealed under his watch

I'd forgotten that one. During my time in the Navy (late 60s) I probably served with a total of around 2,500 to 3,000 people on board 2 ships. One would have to be naive to believe that none were gay, but none were "identified" or came out.

At least these days there is no fear about the being outed.

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 19):
No large-scale acts of terrorism have taken place.

I don't believe any President can take credit for that, now or in the future. Boots on the ground will be what protects us, just like it has since 9/11. The issue for politicians will be to finance those boots, provide training, equipment, any needed recruitment, etc.

Where Obama has bested Bush is in going after the terrorists. Looks like another one has felt Obama's bite:

Quote:

Al-Qaeda’s No. 2 leader killed in U.S. airstrike
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/...6/05/gJQAHTZiFV_story.html?hpid=z1

thumbs up for the Boots and credit to Obama for this approach. Far better, more effective and far less expensive than an invasion & 10 year unnecessary war.

Maybe we need to thoroughly vent kWillard on which President h will mirror - Bush or Obama - when it comes to terrorists.  Wow!


User currently offlineeinsteinboricua From Puerto Rico, joined Apr 2010, 3377 posts, RR: 8
Reply 21, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 1645 times:

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 20):
Where Obama has bested Bush is in going after the terrorists. Looks like another one has felt Obama's bite:

Quote:

Al-Qaeda’s No. 2 leader killed in U.S. airstrike
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/...6/05/gJQAHTZiFV_story.html?hpid=z1

thumbs up for the Boots and credit to Obama for this approach. Far better, more effective and far less expensive than an invasion & 10 year unnecessary war.

Indeed...that Muslim loving president which shows mercy as far as terrorists are concerned. I bet you anything that people in the GOP somehow wish that news about Al Qaeda leaders being killed would disappear from the media or were made up. In less than four years, Obama has managed to strike top leaders countless times, the most notable, of course, Osama bin Laden. Having struck again at the top of the organization, Al Qaeda is at its weakest point (though still poses a threat).

[Edited 2012-06-05 18:07:36]


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User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12961 posts, RR: 25
Reply 22, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 1620 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 15):
He can run a clean campaign on the issues and point out Obama's record as President.

Both sides will do their best to make sure their man stays above the fray, while they carefully orchestrate massive mud slinging campaigns using their PACs.

The campaign could go either way, and I don't know what will be worse: 4 more years of the Republicans putting sticks in between Obama's spokes, or 4 years of that gormless stuffed shirt Romney making GWB look like a genius in comparison.



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User currently offlineeinsteinboricua From Puerto Rico, joined Apr 2010, 3377 posts, RR: 8
Reply 23, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 1619 times:

One thing we can expect from a GOP victory: they'll do exactly what they have criticized Obama for doing these years: blame the predecessor. But, since it's the GOP, it's all good. Because all GOP presidents are perfect in every aspect. It's only the Democrat presidents that mess up the economy.


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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 40066 posts, RR: 74
Reply 24, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 1583 times:

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 18):
I was talking about one guy with a lot of money funding the Swift Boat BullShit. I consider that a low point in politics.


Hey I agree that was B.S. That is partially why I voted for Kerry.

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 18):
Then there is the improvement in international relations. Taking us away from the Ugly American of the Bush/Cheney Years.


Hah! You really believe that huh?

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 18):
Then, of course, his use of SEAL Team 6 multiple times, including the killing of OBL.



Whatever, Obama get's so much credit for that. Obama didn't get Osama.

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 18):
Romney was born with money and connections


So? Roosevelt and Kennedy was born with money and connections too.

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 18):
Why not? It is a Church with a lot of "secret mystics", was founded on polygamy and (until recently) excluded blacks.

And they have magic underwear!


....and Obama defends a religion that started slavery in Africa and practiced it for hundreds of years longer than in the US and defends a religion that still oppresses women today. You may want to read up on that. If you really want to go there, just look at what side Romney's Church was on during the Civil War.
I'm no fan of Romney's religion either but luckily he has never imposed his religious beliefs in business or as an elected official. Obama on the other hand....

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 18):
The guy can hit a 3 pointer and you don't like his form?


I don't care about basketball.

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 18):
The guy who is pulling troops out of Iraq after the GOP invaded it for so called WMDs.


They were able to do it with Democratic support.



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25 Ken777 : I've been more than a little embarrassed during the Bush/Cheney Years (especially after an unnecessary innovation) when traveling overseas. The in-la
26 Post contains images Superfly : Have you been hanging out with Michelle Obama? You're sounding like a self-loathing lefty that thinks the world hates them and is just waiting to bea
27 Revelation : I think any administration in modern times would have taken the shot. For instance, I think the geriatric and the MILF from LensCrafters would have h
28 Post contains images Superfly : Well of course but the endearing press is trying to give Obama all the credit. Dubya was a horrible President. No argument there. Doesn't excuse the
29 DocLightning : Not sure. Some of his advisers told him not to. You know what? He has the most uncooperative congress since the Civil War and yet STILL the economy i
30 Superfly : Wrong. Obama had a veto-proof majority his first 2 years in office. Wrong again. The press claims that the economy is recovering but it is not. There
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