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TLV Security Now Checking Personal Email Accounts  
User currently offlinemcogator From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 183 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 4133 times:

Interesting new tactic by the security at TLV. Seems like they want to make it as difficult as possible for an Arab American to visit.

Original Article

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomac...te-email-accounts.premium-1.434509

No registration required article

http://www.businessweek.com/ap/2012-06/D9V70V280.htm


Fair use excerpt from Haaretz:


"The first part of the interrogation began with questions like: Do you feel more Arab or more American?" (to which the interrogator supplied her own answer:"Surely you must feel a little more Arab.") "Will you go to Al-Aqsa?" and "Why are you coming now for the third time? You can go to Venezuela, to Mexico, to Canada. It is much closer to New York, and much less expensive!"

Then, according to Doughman, her interrogator said, "Okay, we are going to do something very interesting now!" As Doughman describes it, the harsh stare on the security woman's face gave way to a slight smirk. She typed www.gmail.com on her computer, turned the keyboard torward Doughman and demanded that she log in to her personal account.

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User currently offlinemagyar From Hungary, joined Feb 2000, 599 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 3935 times:

What can I say? Another day in "the only democracy of the ME".

User currently offlinetugger From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 5675 posts, RR: 10
Reply 2, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 3687 times:

Pretty dumb if you ask me. At least if they are trying to actually catch anyone dangerous at the airport. Of course all they are really doing is fishing for information on other people (those is the emails and friends on FB) so they can further investigate those names.

And if you are wondering why I say it is dumb is they are actually trying to catch someone dangerous there, it is because anyone who is truly dangerous has hidden email accounts, alternates that they don't use or keep records of or save otherwise.

Tugg



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User currently offlinemcogator From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 183 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 3558 times:

Quoting tugger (Reply 2):
And if you are wondering why I say it is dumb is they are actually trying to catch someone dangerous there, it is because anyone who is truly dangerous has hidden email accounts, alternates that they don't use or keep records of or save otherwise.

It makes sense if these people were on some sort of a terrorist watch list, but they're not. They're on a Israeli political activist watch list, which is absolutely crazy to deny them entry, when they most likely do not pose a security threat. The Israeli's are just making it as hard as possible for Arab's to visit their native country, so in turn they will not visit anymore. This of course is just my opinion. Hopefully they won't stop Ron Paul supporters from visiting there in the future.


User currently offlineraffik From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2006, 1716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 3408 times:

Terrible. It makes me wonder why anyone would endure these security measures in order to travel to Israel.
It sounds like thoroughly dreadful experience.



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User currently offlinereadytotaxi From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2006, 3319 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 3331 times:

Quoting tugger (Reply 2):
And if you are wondering why I say it is dumb is they are actually trying to catch someone dangerous there, it is because anyone who is truly dangerous has hidden email accounts, alternates that they don't use or keep records of or save otherwise.

Agree.   Sounds very low level.



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User currently offlineLOWS From Austria, joined Oct 2011, 1168 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 3081 times:

This is insanity. If that had happened to me, I would have asked to be put on the next flight back.

Quoting mcogator (Reply 3):
Hopefully they won't stop Ron Paul supporters from visiting there in the future.

Dear God, what does Ron Paul have to even remotely do with this situation?


User currently offlinecpd From Australia, joined Jun 2008, 4879 posts, RR: 37
Reply 7, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 3061 times:

The devils advocate in me would say that it is their country, they are free to do that.

Of course, I have no intention to visit Israel since nothing about the country even remotely interests me, and a good friend of mine also got this style of rude and aggressive interrogation as well, but many years ago.

Israel with these measures will succeed in deterring the majority of people from visiting their country. They probably won't stop terrorism or the like, but the ordinary traveler will just think, I don't have to go through that - and will take their money elsewhere, perhaps Dubai or Abu Dhabi.


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25759 posts, RR: 50
Reply 8, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 3061 times:

Hey if employers require prospective new employees to turn over passwords to things like Facebook, why should a border control agency not be able to do it?

Anyhow I believe everyone accepts they can search through your bags, papers, laptop, phones already at a border control, so why not look at material of yours stored on a cloud server?



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User currently offlinezkojq From New Zealand, joined Sep 2011, 1270 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 3032 times:

Crazy, I guess this is another reason not to visit.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 8):
Hey if employers require prospective new employees to turn over passwords to things like Facebook, why should a border control agency not be able to do it?

Ummm... because it is unethical and any actual security benefits it will provide seem rather dubious.



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User currently offlinecpd From Australia, joined Jun 2008, 4879 posts, RR: 37
Reply 10, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 3030 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 8):

Maybe in the USA, but elsewhere that doesn't happen and any employer trying to do that is putting themselves on a unwritten blacklist that job seekers tend to have, especially in certain fields where most of the people tend to know each other very well. Word about 'bad' employers or recruiters gets around fast.

In my view, Israel is setting themselves up for a whole world of problems with this. And it doesn't really achieve anything useful other than alienating people who would otherwise bring money to the country.

Knowing what others have experienced means I will avoid travel to Israel or through it if possible. It's just not safe. And incidents like the following also don't engender confidence in the country:

http://m.smh.com.au/opinion/politics...inging-betrayal-20100302-pg9e.html

The average, ordinary traveler who is already wary about security is going to be scared off by interrogations like what is mentioned before and incidents like what was mentioned by SMH. But it won't deter the people Israel really should be deterring.

[Edited 2012-06-06 14:53:26]

User currently offlinefr8mech From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 5491 posts, RR: 14
Reply 11, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 3007 times:

They have the right to control access to their country. Is what they're doing right? Not by my standards, but then again, I don't have just about every nation around me arrayed against me, politically & physically.

Is it effective? The looking at the email part is probably not very effective. The reaction that the security folks do get may provide some insight...and then again, it might not.

Their country, their rules, their loss of tourism (if they're actually losing tourism).

Quoting cpd (Reply 10):
Maybe in the USA, but elsewhere that doesn't happen and any employer trying to do that is putting themselves on a unwritten blacklist that job seekers tend to have, especially in certain fields where most of the people tend to know each other very well. Word about 'bad' employers or recruiters gets around fast.


That's a very interesting notion. I understand that there are bad employers and good employers. I understand that in a good economy, folks would tend to flock to the good employers (absent high compensation considerations), but in a bad economy, you go where the work is.

[Edited 2012-06-06 15:02:35]


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User currently offlineCadet985 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 1600 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2995 times:

Quoting cpd (Reply 10):
Knowing what others have experienced means I will avoid travel to Israel or through it if possible. It's just not safe. And incidents like the following also don't engender confidence in the country:

Not trying to start a fight here, but you know what a few have experienced. How about all the people who go to Israel in a daily basis and have no issues? I've been there four times, and am probably going again later this year...always felt safe, never had any issues with security, of everyone I know who has been there, I know of nobody who has (and a LOT of people I know have been to Israel).

Marc


User currently offlinecpd From Australia, joined Jun 2008, 4879 posts, RR: 37
Reply 13, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2953 times:

Quoting Cadet985 (Reply 12):
Not trying to start a fight here

Well you have your views, I have mine - they diverge wildly, so I'll refrain from any further comments to avoid it escalating.  Smile
Quoting fr8mech (Reply 11):

That's a very interesting notion.

Yeah, it is interesting. But it probably occurs because the economy here isn't so bad and in certain fields of employment, the candidates all seem to be members of professional associations (not unions as such) and they all network a hell of a lot. So word of bad experiences (unrelated to pay) gets around very quickly. Employers just discover that they don't get many replies to their job adverts, or they just don't find suitable candidates responding.

That's the power that young professionals have now - they know there is demand out their for their skills, so they are able to do this.

[Edited 2012-06-06 16:34:53]

[Edited 2012-06-06 16:35:56]

User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7931 posts, RR: 52
Reply 14, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2953 times:

Quoting cpd (Reply 10):
The average, ordinary traveler who is already wary about security is going to be scared off by interrogations like what is mentioned before and incidents like what was mentioned by SMH. But it won't deter the people Israel really should be deterring.

I think it's just hype. I've been to a lot of countries and actually, Israel had some of the quickest and easiest security I've seen. Then again, I don't think I'm the kind of person they'd profile for



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User currently offlineImperialEagle From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2630 posts, RR: 23
Reply 15, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2910 times:

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 14):
I think it's just hype. I've been to a lot of countries and actually, Israel had some of the quickest and easiest security I've seen.
Quoting fr8mech (Reply 11):
Their country, their rules

  

Yeah, hyperbole.
BTW can you imagine what security is like at Damascus about now.



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19951 posts, RR: 59
Reply 16, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2888 times:

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 14):
I think it's just hype. I've been to a lot of countries and actually, Israel had some of the quickest and easiest security I've seen.

You're a white kid with a non-descript name from America. Of course you breezed through. If your name was Omar Saleh, I guarantee it wouldn't have been so easy.

The bit that bothers me is that, from the description, the behavior of the border agent was sadistic, and if not that, then certainly unprofessional.


User currently offlineltbewr From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13140 posts, RR: 15
Reply 17, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2885 times:

The basic intent by Israel is to intimidate and keep out anyone that does not agree with their political and territorial policies as well as keep out anyone who might encourage wars, terror acts or any act of defense in the occupied territories. Of course, these attempts will be futile, they can be easily gone around, it will mean more 'Arabs' traveling through Jordan to get to the territories. You can't halt all e-mails or text messages, you can use coded messages, people can be taught to give the right answers and get past the tough ones. Don't forget not all Arabs are Muslims, small percentages are Christians as well as Jewish and could get by these extreme methods.

User currently offlinemcogator From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 183 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2804 times:

Quoting LOWS (Reply 6):

Dear God, what does Ron Paul have to even remotely do with this situation?

Ron Paul was known as being Anti-Israel prior to his recent election run, just do a Youtube search. Israel takes the extra step, so why stop at middle aged Arab-American women?

Quoting ltbewr (Reply 17):
Don't forget not all Arabs are Muslims, small percentages are Christians as well as Jewish and could get by these extreme methods.

But it's not just the Muslims who are being pulled aside by the Israeli's. The Christian Palestinians are treated poorly as well by the Israeli's and do have trouble visiting, or returning home.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/features...y-claiming-we-are-welcome-1.420718


User currently offlineTheCommodore From Australia, joined Dec 2007, 2890 posts, RR: 8
Reply 19, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2782 times:

Quoting mcogator (Thread starter):
Seems like they want to make it as difficult as possible for an Arab American to visit.

They should learn not to bite the hand that feeds them.

Quoting raffik (Reply 4):
Terrible. It makes me wonder why anyone would endure these security measures in order to travel to Israel.
It sounds like thoroughly dreadful experience.

That's an understatement

Quoting cpd (Reply 7):
and a good friend of mine also got this style of rude and aggressive interrogation as well

Yes, this is what I have heard from people who have traveled there too, they wont do it again as they were made to feel guilty for NO reason.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 8):
so why not look at material of yours stored on a cloud server?

For the one simple reason, its private !

Quoting cpd (Reply 10):
The average, ordinary traveler who is already wary about security is going to be scared off by interrogations like what is mentioned before and incidents like what was mentioned by SMH. But it won't deter the people Israel really should be deterring.

   Absolutely

Quoting fr8mech (Reply 11):
I don't have just about every nation around me arrayed against me, politically & physically.

This will not help change that will it ?

Buy them a shovel, because the hole they are digging is going to be very deep with this.

Quoting Cadet985 (Reply 12):
I've been there four times, and am probably going again later this year...always felt safe, never had any issues with security, of everyone I know who has been there, I know of nobody who has (and a LOT of people I know have been to Israel).

Well I will take a guess at why you had no problems, and its because you are probably Jewish, and have family there. ?

Quoting ImperialEagle (Reply 15):
Yeah, hyperbole.

Really ? With the reputation that Israeli security has, I wouldn't call it Hyperbole at all. Fact, is a word that comes to mind.

Quoting ImperialEagle (Reply 15):
BTW can you imagine what security is like at Damascus about now.

Whats that got to do with the price of fish ?

Quoting mcogator (Reply 18):
The Christian Palestinians are treated poorly as well by the Israeli's and do have trouble visiting, or returning home.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/features...20718

And until Israel is pulled into line by the rest of the world, then unfortunately, this will continue to happen.  



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User currently offlineSFBdude From United States of America, joined Apr 2011, 129 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2769 times:

I went twice during high school back in 99/2000. Never went back since. Most of my family live there and as much as I'd love to visit them and the country in general, it just isn't worth the vacation time or money imo. The airport experience and the actual trip itself was definitely nothing I'd want to go through again. There is nothing hyped up about that either.

User currently offlineCadet985 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 1600 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2744 times:

Quoting TheCommodore (Reply 19):
Well I will take a guess at why you had no problems, and its because you are probably Jewish, and have family there. ?

Yes, I happen to be Jewish. It does not say so on my passport, and I do not advertise my religion, so how would they know whether I'm Jewish, Christian, etc.? In fact, the only place I even wear some religious garb is at the Western Wall.

No, I have no family there...just a friend who is like a brother to me.

Marc


User currently offlinezrs70 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 3182 posts, RR: 9
Reply 22, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2734 times:

Quoting cpd (Reply 7):
They probably won't stop terrorism or the like

Well, Israeli security has a proven record of being very effective in stopping terrorism. Doesn't mean that terrorism doesn't happen. But security measures have done incredibly at making things much safer.

I feel safer in Israel than I do anywhere else in the world.

And the TSA could learn something from Israeli security. In Israel, they are trained to search for terrorists. In the US, they are trained to look for weapons.



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User currently offlineTheCommodore From Australia, joined Dec 2007, 2890 posts, RR: 8
Reply 23, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 2718 times:

Quoting Cadet985 (Reply 21):
Yes, I happen to be Jewish. It does not say so on my passport, and I do not advertise my religion, so how would they know whether I'm Jewish, Christian, etc.? In fact, the only place I even wear some religious garb is at the Western Wall.

Having never been to Israel, I'm not exactly sure of the entry requirements are, but do you have to declare your religion on entry documents or when applying for a visa ?

If so, then there's your answer.

Quoting zrs70 (Reply 22):
Well, Israeli security has a proven record of being very effective in stopping terrorism. Doesn't mean that terrorism doesn't happen.

Um, isn't that a contradiction, I mean, it either has stopped terrorism or it hasn't ?

Quoting zrs70 (Reply 22):
I feel safer in Israel than I do anywhere else in the world.

Ever lived in Australia ?

Quoting zrs70 (Reply 22):
And the TSA could learn something from Israeli security. In Israel, they are trained to search for terrorists. In the US, they are trained to look for weapons.

I doubt that very much.
But I would imagine that the American constitution and peoples "civil" rights/liberty's, would play havoc with that !

[Edited 2012-06-06 23:07:01]


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User currently offlineStarAC17 From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 3385 posts, RR: 9
Reply 24, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 2703 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 8):
Hey if employers require prospective new employees to turn over passwords to things like Facebook, why should a border control agency not be able to do it?

If one did that to me, I would ask why to try and get a reason. If I thought the reason was just I would show them the profile inside and out with them present. If they gave me no reason I would leave, but I am not desperate.

They can fish for my profile all they like but they aren't getting the password, most people wouldn't give the password to their partners if requested.

Quoting mcogator (Reply 18):
Ron Paul was known as being Anti-Israel prior to his recent election run, just do a Youtube search. Israel takes the extra step, so why stop at middle aged Arab-American women?

He isn't anti-Israel he just wants the US to stop bankrolling them.

Quoting raffik (Reply 4):
Terrible. It makes me wonder why anyone would endure these security measures in order to travel to Israel.
It sounds like thoroughly dreadful experience.

It supposed to be the best and their methods are not that intrusive and they look at your behaviour more so that what is in your shoes.

If this happened to me I would show them because they can gladly go through 7000 e-mails all they want.

Quoting fr8mech (Reply 11):
That's a very interesting notion. I understand that there are bad employers and good employers. I understand that in a good economy, folks would tend to flock to the good employers (absent high compensation considerations), but in a bad economy, you go where the work is.

Yeah but do a lot of companies really need to look at your facebook profile, much less get your password to look at the apps you have and your personal messages that could be dirty talk with your partner.

Why is that relevant.

Quoting TheCommodore (Reply 23):
Having never having been to Israel, I'm not exactly sure of the entry requirements are, but do you have to declare your religion on entry documents or when applying for a visa ?

As an Aussie I don't think you need a visa at all.



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25 mad99 : Security at tlv is more thorough than most airports but only when leaving! Arrival is no different to any other airport (unless you fly on EL-AL, they
26 falstaff : That is illegal in Michigan now.
27 fr8mech : The only person that can make you 'feel guilty' is yourself. No amount of questioning should make you feel guilty. Remember, the questioning itself,
28 flyingturtle : A note to the security personnel at TLV: - If I don't type the password and don't let you access my private mail, you think I could be a terrorist, bu
29 EL-AL : Yesterday alone 140 people killed in Syria, most of them women and children. The Syrian border is 93 km (58 mi) from TLV airport. No doubt you guys fo
30 Post contains links mcogator : The security in Israel goes directly by your looks and name first. She wasn't the only one who was sent back. It says there are three other known cas
31 mcogator : Yes, deflection. Lets forget about the 64 years of atrocities being committed in Israel. Bashar Assad might win an election in Israel right now.
32 Cadet985 : I'm not sure about the entry requirements from Australia, but for me (or any other American...not sure about other countries) to go there, you buy a
33 jetblueguy22 : I read the article/blog the woman wrote while browsing the other day and it kind of shocked me. I have always wanted to visit Israel but this really m
34 fr8mech : That's another argument. Their name is on the lease, they own security, they get to make the rules. If the rules are have the effect of discouraging
35 daviation : Wow, this is an interesting discussion. This is really where all the hidden political agendas suddenly become unhidden. Israel's tourism is way up, so
36 Post contains links mcogator : They are profiled mostly by name, since both sides tend to look alike, except for the European Ashkenazim. Yes, the lease. If you consider land taken
37 Post contains links mcogator : Here is a "unbiased" report on U.S. aid to Israel. http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/mideast/RL33222.pdf "Israel is the largest cumulative recipient of U.S.
38 flyingturtle : In German, we have two words, "recht" und "richtig". Something can be lawfully right, or something can be morally right. By asking travellers to allo
39 fr8mech : Again, it's their right (and the right of any sovereign nation) to deny entry based on whatever criteria they want. They want to exclude you because
40 Post contains images flyingturtle : It is, but still worthy of criticism. They can, if they have double citizenship (e.g. U.S. and Israeli). But they can't travel on their Israeli passp
41 daviation : Well, MCOGATOR, you've certainly made your agenda clear! And there is nothing I can say that will change your misguided opinion. Acquisition of land b
42 LAXintl : This discussion should have nothing to do with what might have occured in 1967, or issues like about Arabs living in Israel. Instead the concept is a
43 Emirates773ER : Try being a brown guy in his late twenties and a muslim. I was held for 13 hours under the pretense of interrogation and asked some of the most ridic
44 fr8mech : So, don't go back. They can do what they want. Heck, this is the modern version of searching your luggage. It may not be morally correct, but it is w
45 Post contains images flyingturtle : A demeaning and dishonoring experience.
46 lewis : An email is like the old-style paper mail. People can of course read it without your permission but that doesn't make it right. I am not sure if it i
47 Post contains links and images TheCommodore : Ok, But when applying for a visa (for those that are required to do so) must you declare what religion you are ? And are you asked this upon entering
48 Cadet985 : Here in America, we go to malls, park our cars and just walk in. In Israel, cars get checked and a brief chit chat with the driver before entering th
49 daviation : Commodore, you know you can spin statistics anyway you'd like. In Israel, there are substrata of Jews (from Arab countries, from Africa) who are also
50 Post contains links LAXintl : Using company computer, or email system, I don't expect to have privacy. I know it can, and is monitored. Crossing a border is not having your boss c
51 fr8mech : Security, or a feeling of security, is relative. Let's see what happens if a suicide bomber (or 2 or 3) blows himself up in a suburban mall.
52 Post contains images mandala499 : Actually, I'd keep coming back just for the fun of it ! Yeaps. The world isn't like America... I get my car checked and go through metal detector and
53 lewis : Didn't specify company computer or not, you said everything in digital form is subject to access or review by the government, employer or spouse. My
54 Quokkas : The actions by Israeli officials in requesting to see the contents of a gmail account is little different to the rights of Australian officials to do
55 Post contains images prebennorholm : When was it last time we bought an airline ticket without giving our email address? For me, some distant century. They are trained to ask questions t
56 TheCommodore : Hi Quokkas I have never heard of boarder officials (Australian immigration) requesting passwords to websites. They may well inspect your computer etc
57 Cadet985 : Very honestly speaking, after 9-11, the Israelis were willing to help us with airline security. We turned them down. I feel safe in Israel. I know th
58 mad99 : Once leaving TLV a man next to me started to change is story regarding he's final destination. The security man asked "why are you lying to me" they
59 AirPacific747 : Can you really blame Israel for doing something like this? Most of their closest neighbours want to wipe them off the map even if they don't want to a
60 flyingturtle : Not this myth again. We've heard enough echoes from the wars of 1948 and 1967. To say that Israel is in danger amounts to an insult to the top-notch
61 AirPacific747 : Well, agree to disagree. I trust that you won't come and visit Israel anytime soon. I am keen on going soon though.
62 Quokkas : Hi Commodore. Australian Customs and Border Protection Officers have coercive powers of questioning under the Customs Act 1901 and the Crimes Act 1914
63 PanHAM : yes, on my most recent trip I had 2 bags and I decided to take both carry-on. After checking in (which is right after the firswt "interrogation point
64 Post contains images Quokkas : I suspect that they are not alone in that. Intelligence Agencies around the world, if given the resources, will be doing the same. The only question
65 PanHAM : I am absolutely relaxed about the scanning. I just mentioned it, I mean some here question the interrogation by Israeli security before boarding a fl
66 Post contains images Quokkas : On the whole, so am I. Please do not take me the wrong way. I know what you mean. I just raised the question generally as there is no simple answer t
67 LAXintl : False. Even Google says so. As a law abiding company they share materials with police or government authorities as lawfully requested. In 2010 alone
68 Quokkas : Thank you for your reply. I was a bit puzzled about whether you accept things as being inevitable or whether you accept that they should be that way.
69 Post contains images flyingturtle : Statistical noise will defeat such crude keyword searches. I've suggested posting as much as random and nonsensical drivel as possible on Facebook or
70 Cadet985 : Here's my typical experience at TLV (when using a shuttle, not having a friend drop me off): Shuttle stops at airport border, and agent gets on to ta
71 Post contains images PanHAM : For starters you can try to put as many of the 317 key words in your signature here
72 lewis : Not being on my person does not mean not mine. I am not carrying my thumb drive on my person every day but it and its contents are still mine. The Is
73 bigorange : I agree! If I wanted to visit Israel, I'd drive the 2 miles from home to Lakewood, NJ which has more synagogues than Brooklyn.
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