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F1 2012: Canadian Grand Prix  
User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10925 posts, RR: 37
Posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 2771 times:

Canadian Grand Prix June 8-10

Circuit Gilles Villeneuve
Montréal, Canada

Circuit type Street
Circuit Length 4.361kms
Circuit Turns 13
Circuit Direction Clockwise
Capacity 100,000
Established 1978

Known for its tricky hairpin bends and the kilometre-long straight, the circuit is also famous for its "Wall of Champions". Situated at the end of the very long high-speed straight, the chicane has caught out many drivers over the years, notably in 1999 when three world champions - Michael Schumacher, Jacques Villeneuve and Damon Hill - all fell foul of the tricky chicane.

The first lap is notorious for accidents, the cars are funnelled from the grid into the tight Senna curves, and so frequent is the safety car deployed that teams actually prepare strategies with one or two safety-car periods in mind.

June 8: Free practice 1
10:00 local | 14:00 GMT | 16:00 CEST
June 8: Free practice 2
14:00 local | 18:00 GMT | 20:00 CEST
June 9: Free practice 3
10:00 local | 14:00 GMT | 16:00 CEST
June 9: Qualifying
13:00 local | 17:00 GMT | 19:00 CEST
June 10: Race
14:00 local | 18:00 GMT | 20:00 CEST

This year's Canadian F1 Grand Prix is happeninng in the midst of week long protests.
http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/...iolence+Protest/6748347/story.html

Grand Prix news as seen from Montreal
http://www.montrealgazette.com/sport...ore+performance/6748026/story.html

I hope this will be a good race with a lot of action and a Schumi Podium!

        


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User currently offlineGrahamHill From France, joined Mar 2007, 2863 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 2738 times:

Thanks for opening the thread, Madame C. The first session has started, I can hear the sound from the roof of my office! I wish I could be there, but tonight I'm flying back home to go to the 24 Hours of Le Mans.

I'll watch the GP on TV from France!



"A learned fool is more foolish than an ignorant one" - Moliere
User currently offlinegreasespot From Canada, joined Apr 2004, 3085 posts, RR: 20
Reply 2, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 2725 times:

Plus there are protests taking place. But this time the Montreal Police are slamming that door shut before it can affect the race or it's participants. I just hope that they can contain it.

GS



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User currently offlinemoo From Falkland Islands, joined May 2007, 4061 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 2696 times:

Do people actually think that those persons going to see an event are going to look favourably on the topic of any protest that interferes with said viewing?

I don't care what you are protesting, but if you waste my ticket money Im not going to support you, period.


User currently offlineltbewr From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13170 posts, RR: 15
Reply 4, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 2621 times:

Sebastian Vettel will be doing a slow speed test/promotional demo of the route of next year's US F-1 GP of New Jersey on Monday. (the race site is near the Lincoln Tunnel across from mid-town Manhattan, NY City.
http://www.northjersey.com/news/huds...en-West_New_York_route_Monday.html

Hopefully the weather will be warm and no rain. The protesters are mainly students who don't want to end up like their American cousins with massive college loan debt. Montreal is only about 7 hours/400 miles/650 Kms from NYC 2 hours by air so probably why Vettel will do the demo on Monday.
Will it be another driver winning or will there finally be a repeat? The race will be shown on Fox broadcast network here in the USA LIve.


User currently offlinescbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12804 posts, RR: 46
Reply 5, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 2590 times:
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Quoting ltbewr (Reply 4):
Will it be another driver winning or will there finally be a repeat?

Hamilton going very well in practice and he does seem to like this circuit. I wouldn't bet against him making it 7 in 7.



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User currently offlinePs76 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2571 times:

Hi!

I think it's on at 10.30pm tonight here in the UK on the BBC. Looking forward to it. I don't really care who wins as long as it's a good race!

Many thanks,

Pierre


User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10805 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2555 times:

Im surprised how well Massa his doing since Ferrari waved the red flag for him before Monaco. 3rd in the second practise, directly behind his teammate his quite impressive. The Brazilian really must have been sleeping in the first five races this year, as since Monaco he seems to be a different man.

User currently offlinemoo From Falkland Islands, joined May 2007, 4061 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 2530 times:

Did anyone see that Redbull have had their brake ducts deemed illegal and must change them for qualifying?

User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10925 posts, RR: 37
Reply 9, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2505 times:

Canadian Grand Prix Montreal Free Practice results

Free practice 3

Pos Driver Team Time
1 Vettel GER Red Bull 1'14.442
2 Alonso ESP Ferrari 1'14.448
3 Hamilton GBR McLaren 1'14.712
4 Webber AUS Red Bull 1'14.724
5 Maldonado VEN Williams 1'14.755
6 Massa BRA Ferrari 1'14.767
7 Schumacher GER Mercedes 1'14.796
8 Grosjean FRA Lotus 1'14.873
9 Räikkönen FIN Lotus 1'14.977
10 Hülkenberg GER Force India 1'14.992
11 di Resta GBR Force India 1'15.067
12 Perez MEX Sauber 1'15.112
13 Kobayashi JPN Sauber 1'15.126
14 Senna BRA Williams 1'15.237
15 Button GBR McLaren 1'15.327
16 Ricciardo AUS Toro Rosso 1'15.498
17 Petrov RUS Caterham 1'16.268
18 Kovalainen FIN Caterham 1'16.545
19 de la Rosa ESP HRT 1'17.705
20 Glock GER Marussia 1'17.974
21 Karthikeyan IND HRT 1'18.189
22 Pic FRA Marussia 1'18.684
23 Vergne FRA Toro Rosso -
24 Rosberg GER Mercedes -

  


Free practice 2

Driver Teams Time
1 LC Hamilton (GBR) McLaren 1'15.259
2 F Alonso (ESP) Ferrari 1'15.313
3 F Massa (BRA) Ferrari 1'15.410
4 S Vettel (GER) Red Bull 1'15.531
5 P di Resta (GBR) Force India 1'15.544
6 K Kobayashi (JPN) Sauber 1'15.651
7 M Schumacher (GER) Mercedes 1'15.697
8 N Hülkenberg (GER) Force India 1'15.799
9 J Button (GBR) McLaren 1'15.812
10 N Rosberg (GER) Mercedes 1'15.878
11 S Perez (MEX) Sauber 1'15.898
12 M Webber (AUS) Red Bull 1'15.907
13 P Maldonado (VEN) Williams 1'15.987
14 R Grosjean (FRA) Lotus 1'16.360
15 KM Räikkönen (FIN) Lotus 1'16.562
16 H Kovalainen (FIN) Caterham 1'16.981
17 B Senna (BRA) Williams 1'17.022
18 V Petrov (RUS) Caterham 1'17.075
19 JE Vergne (FRA) Toro Rosso 1'17.124
20 D Ricciardo (AUS) Toro Rosso 1'17.716
21 PM de la Rosa (ESP) HRT 1'18.908
22 T Glock (GER) Marussia 1'19.084
23 KRN Karthikeyan (IND) HRT 1'19.378
24 C Pic (FRA) Marussia 1'19.902

  


Free practice 1
Driver Teams Time

1 LC Hamilton (GBR) McLaren 1'15.564
2 S Vettel (GER) Red Bull 1'15.682
3 N Rosberg (GER) Mercedes 1'15.782
4 F Alonso (ESP) Ferrari 1'15.842
5 M Webber (AUS) Red Bull 1'15.897
6 N Hülkenberg (GER) Force India 1'15.986
7 K Kobayashi (JPN) Sauber 1'16.000
8 S Perez (MEX) Sauber 1'16.249
9 M Schumacher (GER) Mercedes 1'16.264
10 J Button (GBR) McLaren 1'16.347
11 P di Resta (GBR) Force India 1'16.460
12 F Massa (BRA) Ferrari 1'16.619
13 P Maldonado (VEN) Williams 1'16.859
14 R Grosjean (FRA) Lotus 1'16.890
15 KM Räikkönen (FIN) Lotus 1'17.014
16 JE Vergne (FRA) Toro Rosso 1'17.352
17 D Ricciardo (AUS) Toro Rosso 1'17.580
18 V Petrov (RUS) Caterham 1'17.935
19 H Kovalainen (FIN) Caterham 1'18.177
20 PM de la Rosa (ESP) HRT 1'18.182
21 B Senna (BRA) Williams 1'18.762
22 KRN Karthikeyan (IND) HRT 1'19.354
23 T Glock (GER) Marussia 1'20.004
24 C Pic (FRA) Marussia 1'20.067

  



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User currently offlinemoo From Falkland Islands, joined May 2007, 4061 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 2501 times:

Apparently Redbull don't have any replacement parts, so will have to run a car that's been deemed illegal, basically guaranteeing any result in their favour will be successfully protested after tomorrows race.

User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10925 posts, RR: 37
Reply 11, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 2486 times:

Canadian Grand Prix
Qualifyings

Q1

Pos Driver Team Laps
1 Vettel GER Red Bull 7 in pits
2 Button GBR McLaren 10 in pits
3 Hamilton GBR McLaren 10 in pits
4 Schumacher GER Mercedes 7 in pits
5 Alonso ESP Ferrari 8 in pits
6 Webber AUS Red Bull 8 in pits
7 Maldonado VEN Williams 11 in pits
8 Senna BRA Williams 11 in pits
9 Räikkönen FIN Lotus 14 in pits
10 di Resta GBR Force India 11 in pits
11 Rosberg GER Mercedes 14 in pits
12 Kobayashi JPN Sauber 12 in pits
13 Hülkenberg GER Force India 10 in pits
14 Grosjean FRA Lotus 13 in pits
15 Massa BRA Ferrari 8 in pits
16 Perez MEX Sauber 11 in pits
17 Ricciardo AUS Toro Rosso 12 in pits
18 Kovalainen FIN Caterham 12 in pits

19 Petrov RUS Caterham 10 in pits
20 Vergne FRA Toro Rosso 12 in pits
21 de la Rosa ESP HRT 8 in pits
22 Glock GER Marussia 10 in pits
23 Pic FRA Marussia 9 in pits
24 Karthikeyan IND HRT 9 in pits   

  

wow that Maldonado spin! he went straight into the wall good thing he did not ruin the car!

Qualifying
Pos Driver Team Laps
1 Vettel GER Red Bull 10 on track
2 Alonso ESP Ferrari 16 on track
3 Hamilton GBR McLaren 15 on track
4 Webber AUS Red Bull 13 on track
5 Schumacher GER Mercedes 12 on track
6 Rosberg GER Mercedes 19 on track
7 Grosjean FRA Lotus 21 on track
8 di Resta GBR Force India 18 on track
9 Massa BRA Ferrari 17 on track
10 Button GBR McLaren 19 on track

11 Kobayashi JPN Sauber 21 on track
12 Räikkönen FIN Lotus 19 on track
13 Hülkenberg GER Force India 18 on track
14 Ricciardo AUS Toro Rosso 16 on track
15 Perez MEX Sauber 16 on track
16 Senna BRA Williams 15 on track
17 Maldonado VEN Williams 16 on track
18 Kovalainen FIN Caterham 12 in pits
19 Petrov RUS Caterham 10 in pits
20 Vergne FRA Toro Rosso 12 in pits
21 de la Rosa ESP HRT 8 in pits
22 Glock GER Marussia 10 in pits
23 Pic FRA Marussia 9 in pits
24 Karthikeyan IND HRT 9 in pits

  

The grid order will be Vettel, Hamilton, Alonso, Webber, Rosberg, Massa, Grosjean, di Resta, Schumacher and Button.

Qualifying
Pos Driver Team Time
1 Vettel GER Red Bull 1'13.784
2 Hamilton GBR McLaren 1'14.087
3 Alonso ESP Ferrari 1'14.151
4 Webber AUS Red Bull 1'14.346
5 Rosberg GER Mercedes 1'14.411
6 Massa BRA Ferrari 1'14.465
7 Grosjean FRA Lotus 1'14.645
8 di Resta GBR Force India 1'14.705
9 Schumacher GER Mercedes 1'14.812
10 Button GBR McLaren 1'15.182
11 Kobayashi JPN Sauber 1'14.688
12 Räikkönen FIN Lotus 1'14.734
13 Hülkenberg GER Force India 1'14.748
14 Ricciardo AUS Toro Rosso 1'15.078
15 Perez MEX Sauber 1'15.156
16 Senna BRA Williams 1'15.170
17 Maldonado VEN Williams 1'15.231
18 Kovalainen FIN Caterham 1'16.263
19 Petrov RUS Caterham 1'16.482
20 Vergne FRA Toro Rosso 1'16.602
21 de la Rosa ESP HRT 1'17.492
22 Glock GER Marussia 1'17.901
23 Pic FRA Marussia 1'18.255
24 Karthikeyan IND HRT 1'18.330

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[Edited 2012-06-09 11:05:19]


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User currently offlineQFA380 From Australia, joined Jul 2005, 2081 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 2432 times:

Congrats to RedBull, Webber managed to pull through in the last practice session to get 4th which isn't bad, crossing my fingers for a podium finish.

Feel sorry for Button, things didn't seem to be going his way and now apparently he'll be starting on old tyres, could be lucky to make it to turn 1 in 10th.

Quoting moo (Reply 10):
so will have to run a car that's been deemed illegal

They've plugged the holes, if it was clearly illegal and everyone was looking at it they wouldn't have pass scrutineering. Not to mention the ridiculous waste of engines, tyres, gearboxes etc it would be racing knowing that any result would be nullified. I really hope you don't think they're that stupid considering they've won the last 2 constructors championships.


User currently offlinemoo From Falkland Islands, joined May 2007, 4061 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2354 times:

Quoting QFA380 (Reply 12):
They've plugged the holes, if it was clearly illegal and everyone was looking at it they wouldn't have pass scrutineering. Not to mention the ridiculous waste of engines, tyres, gearboxes etc it would be racing knowing that any result would be nullified. I really hope you don't think they're that stupid considering they've won the last 2 constructors championships.

Why the hostility?

Its not about stupidity, its about Redbull having run these particular parts for several races and thus thinking they were safe to continue to run them - only this time they got caught out.

Passing scrutineering means little other than the car passed the obvious rules - scrutineers don't disassemble the cars to the constituent parts and examine all of them, they check the main areas of concern. Which is why these particular parts have been run in several races this season already...

There is also an element of opinion involved in determining if something is illegal or not - the F1 Technical Regulations are very wishy washy in places (how else can you deem using the engine in a particular fashion as an "moveable aerodynamic device" as they did in the middle of last season?) and means things can be considered legal one day and illegal the next, with no rule change.

So no, its not about stupidity, its about how relaxed RB were with parts they had run several times - the fact that they can "plug" the holes doesn't mean the car will be legal at the end of the race - what were they plugged with? Can it come off? Can it melt?

And running a car in an illegal state doesn't automatically mean other teams will protest - their floor holes were pretty much accepted to be outright illegal prior to Monaco and yet RB ran the car and no one protested, despite the FIA being almost certain to rule against RB. I think theres more teamship between teams these days - McLaren, Ferrari et al are all likely to run the numbers and probably come out thinking "yeah, it might add 0.01% more downforce to the car, but its not worth £8K to protest it when that comes down to much less than a 100th of a second".


User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10925 posts, RR: 37
Reply 14, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2348 times:

Have the Red Bull cars been entirely "rectified" and re-checked prior to this afternoon's Montreal race?

 



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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10925 posts, RR: 37
Reply 15, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 2312 times:

Schumi is out - DRS failure.

Bad luck for Schumi in this 2012 season. Always his car.

     



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User currently offlinescbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12804 posts, RR: 46
Reply 16, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 2298 times:
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Hamilton wins! What a great drive. Poor strategy decision by Ferrari & Red Bull.   

Quoting scbriml (Reply 5):
I wouldn't bet against him making it 7 in 7.

You read it here first!



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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10925 posts, RR: 37
Reply 17, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 2285 times:

Hamilton wins the Canadian Grand Prix to become the seventh different winner this season. Grosjean second, Perez third, Vettel fourth, Alonso fifth, Rosberg 0.4s off the Ferrari in sixth. Webber seventh, Raikkonen eighth, Kobayahsi ninth and Massa takes a point in tenth.


Race
Pos Driver Team Laps Pits
1 Hamilton GBR McLaren 70 2
2 Grosjean FRA Lotus 70 1
3 Perez MEX Sauber 70 1
4 Vettel FL GER Red Bull 70 2
5 Alonso ESP Ferrari 70 1
6 Rosberg GER Mercedes 70 2
7 Webber AUS Red Bull 70 2
8 Räikkönen FIN Lotus 70 1
9 Kobayashi JPN Sauber 70 1
10 Massa BRA Ferrari 70 2
11 di Resta GBR Force India 70 2
12 Hülkenberg GER Force India 70 2
13 Maldonado VEN Williams 70 1
14 Ricciardo AUS Toro Rosso 70 2
15 Vergne FRA Toro Rosso 69 3
16 Button GBR McLaren 69 3
17 Senna BRA Williams 69 1
18 Kovalainen FIN Caterham 69 2
19 Petrov RUS Caterham 69 2
20 Pic FRA Marussia 67 1
Retirement
Glock GER Marussia 56 2
Schumacher GER Mercedes 43 3
de la Rosa ESP HRT 24 1
Karthikeyan IND HRT 22 0


           



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User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10805 posts, RR: 9
Reply 18, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 2259 times:

Hamiltons win is well deserved. Ferrari made a big mistake in changing tyres only once. Normally Alonso should at least have been in second place.

User currently offlinestealthz From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5724 posts, RR: 44
Reply 19, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 2192 times:
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Quoting moo (Reply 13):
the fact that they can "plug" the holes doesn't mean the car will be legal at the end of the race - what were they plugged with? Can it come off? Can it melt?

If they were told the holes were illegal and must be changed, you can be assured that they will be intact at the end of the race because they will be checked AFTER the race.

Quoting moo (Reply 10):
Apparently Redbull don't have any replacement parts, so will have to run a car that's been deemed illegal, basically guaranteeing any result in their favour will be successfully protested after tomorrows race.

Where did this come from?
Teams like Red Bull are unlikely to NOT have replacement parts.

The above points are mostly moot as they would not have been running the same rear floor in CAnada as they did in Monaco in any case.



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User currently offlinescbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12804 posts, RR: 46
Reply 20, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2140 times:
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Quoting na (Reply 18):
Ferrari made a big mistake in changing tyres only once.

I was surprised how laid-back Alonso was in post-race interviews. He seemed happy that Ferrari's logic was to fight for the win. However, to my way of thinking, as soon as they saw how much quicker Hamilton was on fresh rubber, they should have called Alonso in. Ditto Red Bull (accepting they did eventually call Vettel in).

Had Ferrari called Alonso in, he would almost certainly have finished second and still be leading the WDC. In a very tight season, those squandered points might come back to haunt Ferrari.

So, on to Valencia. Are we going to have an eighth winner, or who will become the first to win two races this season?



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User currently offlinemoo From Falkland Islands, joined May 2007, 4061 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2104 times:

Wow, and the hostility continues...

Quoting stealthz (Reply 19):
If they were told the holes were illegal and must be changed, you can be assured that they will be intact at the end of the race because they will be checked AFTER the race.

"I can be assured"? No I cant - all I could be assured of at that point in time is that Redbull were told to plug the holes, and that Redbull plugged the holes. Whether the plugs were good enough remained to be seen. Those wheels get very very hot, so it would be very easy to screw up on what material to use to carry out the plugging...

Quoting stealthz (Reply 19):
Where did this come from?
Teams like Red Bull are unlikely to NOT have replacement parts.

Where did it come from? From the very fact that they had no replacement parts - the fact that they had to plug their existing rims to satisfy the FIA requirements supports me.

And you know very well I meant *legal* replacement parts.

Quoting stealthz (Reply 19):

The above points are mostly moot as they would not have been running the same rear floor in CAnada as they did in Monaco in any case.

So they say, after the event and after they've been asked to change them.

And a protest while the results were provisional could have changed the result - so no, its not mostly moot at all.

I'm done with discussing F1 on here, its the same rubbish attitudes as it was three years ago.


User currently offlinestealthz From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5724 posts, RR: 44
Reply 22, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 2089 times:
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Quoting moo (Reply 21):
the fact that they had to plug their existing rims to satisfy the FIA requirements supports me.

A media report to that fact hardly reflects the actual process the teams use to engineer a solution.
If you take those reports or even team quotes as an example of the process then you lack an understanding of the sport.

Take it from me(or not, as you please), with over 30 years experience of motor sport at many levels, officiating both at a track and technical level and as team crew, mechanical and operations. If a sanctioning body tells you something is not OK to compete with, you can be assured you will be monitored to ensure you comply and if you get to the end of the event in a non compliant condition you will be penalised for it.
From what I have seen this season Red Bull have not presented an " illegal car"(unlike a certain scarlet team at Melbourne a few years ago) .As you have said earlier, the F1 tech regs in many areas are loose and open to interpretation and clarification. Red Bull interpreted the rules one way*, the FIA clarified them and Red Bull complied.

Quoting moo (Reply 21):
So they say, after the event and after they've been asked to change them.

Well with my limited expertise of current F1 engineering, a downforce producing component of my car I was allowed to change between the ultra downforce conditions of Monaco and the low down force requirements of Circuit Gilles Villeneuve would be something of a no brainer to me.

Quoting moo (Reply 21):
I'm done with discussing F1 on here,

No one is forcing you to stay.

* I am no great fan of Red Bull as a team and especially the management



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