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What Do You Think Of MacBook/MacBook Pro  
User currently offlineDIJKKIJK From France, joined Jul 2003, 1791 posts, RR: 4
Posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 4833 times:

I have some questions to the owners MacBook/MacBook Pros here

1. How long have you had it?
2. What is the performance like?
3. Does it get really slow with age (just like Windows PCs), and does re-installing the operating system fix the problem.
4. How is Apple's tech support?
5. Would you recommend I buy one?

Basically, I have a laptop which needs replacement. It had Windows XP on it when I got it seven years ago. A couple of years back, I removed Windows and installed Linux, and it has been going great since. But it is really showing its age in now and I want to buy a new one. I was considering the MacBook Pro and want to know what people think of it.

[Edited 2012-06-09 00:49:30]


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User currently offlineBrouAviation From Netherlands, joined Jun 2009, 985 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks ago) and read 4799 times:

First I'd say is: wait a couple of weeks, the next generation Macbooks is about to be announced and promise to be a big leap forward.


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User currently onlineJRadier From Netherlands, joined Sep 2004, 4676 posts, RR: 50
Reply 2, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks ago) and read 4784 times:

Quoting BrouAviation (Reply 1):
First I'd say is: wait a couple of weeks, the next generation Macbooks is about to be announced and promise to be a big leap forward.

Most likely on the 11th already!



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User currently offlineTruemanqld From Australia, joined Feb 2007, 1522 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks ago) and read 4775 times:

1. How long have you had it? 1.5 years
2. What is the performance like? Fantastic, for photo/movies/uni work. Not so great for gaming
3. Does it get really slow with age (just like Windows PCs), and does re-installing the operating system fix the problem? Not sure, it has slowed down, but not significantly.
4. How is Apple's tech support? Never had to use it
5. Would you recommend I buy one? Absolutely, completely worth it.


User currently offlineQFA380 From Australia, joined Jul 2005, 2061 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks ago) and read 4775 times:

As to your questions I'm on to my second MacBook, first a Pro and now an Air.
Loved them both.
The Pro would still be soldiering on, the processor broke only months later did I realise that it was a defect in that generation and Apple would have fixed it...oh well.
It survived many, many drops and use and abuse.

Now I have the Air that I bought the day after they were released last year, without even knowing they'd just made a new one which is also a fantastic computer. Thankfully a good deal cheaper than the pro was back in the day... The battery life is not all its chalked up to be though.

As to the slow with age, its not some magic ageing of the computer, its the user not looking after it properly, filling it up with junkware, viruses. Macs will get slow too if you never do simple things like delete old programs, update the ones you use and the OS, clear out the trash etc.

I don't know if you should buy one though. What are your needs in a laptop? Asus has an incredibly fine laptop range and I'd recommend you check them out aswell as the other competition before diving headlong into the Mac. Windows 8 is coming out in October too which I'm thoroughly excited about for my desktop.


User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21442 posts, RR: 54
Reply 5, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 4753 times:

First of all, it is likely that the new generation of MacBook( Pro)s will be announced during the WWDC keynote this monday.

Likely new features:
• the new Ivy Bridge Intel CPU line
• USB3
• some models with high-resolution Retina Displays
• probably some bigger MacBook Air-like models (15")

Quoting DIJKKIJK (Thread starter):
1. How long have you had it?

17" MacBook Pro (late 2006).

Quoting DIJKKIJK (Thread starter):
2. What is the performance like?

Excellent. Still runs great; Just the mechanical harddisk is a major performance bottleneck.

Quoting DIJKKIJK (Thread starter):
3. Does it get really slow with age (just like Windows PCs), and does re-installing the operating system fix the problem.

 
No to both.

The only slow-down effect happens when you've got a mechanical harddisk installed and it's filling up. The data on the first-written outer tracks is read or written quite a bit faster than the data on the later-written inner tracks. This happens on all computers using harddisks, on some in addition to the OS slowing down as well.

If possible, get a model with an SSD where this effect doesn't exist (there is just a certain slowdown on writing after a while, but reading is still a whole lot faster than on any mechanical harddisk, mainly due to not having to move mechanical parts around.

Re-installing the system is generally unnecessary on a Mac. I've bought my MBP in 2006 with Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger and I've never re-installed the system since, just updated it "in place" to 10.5, 10.6 and now 10.7 Lion (which will probably be the last system it supports).

Fragmentation is not an issue since the system de-fragments files automatically in the background.

Quoting DIJKKIJK (Thread starter):
4. How is Apple's tech support?

Usually excellent in my experience. If you get Apple Care, you'll have three years of warranty and extended phone support (including "how to" questions if needed). If you've got Apple Stores in the vicinity, you can get support at their Genius Bar on top of that.

Quoting DIJKKIJK (Thread starter):
5. Would you recommend I buy one?

Of course that depends on what you need it for.

Since all Macs can run Windows and Linux as well (and quite well at that, either natively or in a virtual machine), they are effectively the most flexible computers at this time.

It is not entirely clear whether Apple will update the entire MacBook range in one go at the keynote and it is possible that they'll introduce a third line between MacBook Air and MacBook Pro, so there might be additional choices. Monday will be interesting, that much is certain.

In the end it's all about your actual needs and preferences and how well any of the new machines can match them.

This will of course include the question of price, but if you weren't looking for a high-quality machine (at a corresponding price) you probably wouldn't have asked your question in the first place.

[Edited 2012-06-09 04:24:43]

User currently offlinefxramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7247 posts, RR: 85
Reply 6, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 4746 times:
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Don't waste the money or time. Buy a MacBook Pro that was refurbished. It looks and runs like new and you can get them on the Apple site for $800-$1000.   

User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10677 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 4725 times:

Quoting fxramper (Reply 6):
Don't waste the money or time. Buy a MacBook Pro that was refurbished. It looks and runs like new and you can get them on the Apple site for $800-$1000.   

Good idea for your first one indeed.

I actually use my desktop Mac far more often than the Macbook Pro. I dont like touchpads and the big screen doesnt make me tired as quickly as the laptop does. I can work on my desktop for 6, 7 hours with no stop, no problem, but Im fed up to look at the Macbook after just 2! Also Im fortunately not forced to work outside very often.


User currently offlineLOWS From Austria, joined Oct 2011, 1136 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 4713 times:

Quoting DIJKKIJK (Thread starter):
1. How long have you had it?

I've been a Mac user since I started using computers around 1994(!?).

Quoting DIJKKIJK (Thread starter):
2. What is the performance like?

It's hard to compare with windows machines, because they are so bloated.

Quoting DIJKKIJK (Thread starter):
3. Does it get really slow with age (just like Windows PCs), and does re-installing the operating system fix the problem.

Everything wears out with age, and there are things you can do to speed things up. OS reinstall, cleaning up login items, disk permission etc.

Quoting DIJKKIJK (Thread starter):
4. How is Apple's tech support?

Never had to use it.

Quoting DIJKKIJK (Thread starter):
5. Would you recommend I buy one?

Yes. But learn how to use it. Lots of people I know have bought Macs, but act like it is just like windows. It isn't. A work colleague was freaking out because (after two months of using a Mac at work, after demanding one) she realised that clicking the X doesn't close the application.

I currently use an 11 inch MacBook Air from late 2011 with a massive external monitor. I would have preferred a MacBookPro, but this one has enough power for the time being.

Quoting BrouAviation (Reply 1):
First I'd say is: wait a couple of weeks, the next generation Macbooks is about to be announced and promise to be a big leap forward.

  


User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10677 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 4701 times:

Quoting BrouAviation (Reply 1):
First I'd say is: wait a couple of weeks, the next generation Macbooks is about to be announced and promise to be a big leap forward.

Im not someone who always buys the newest. It often comes with shortfalls. First its more expensive, second, very important to me, it means old applications wont work anymore. It can be wise to buy the older version once a new genaration pops up. I am an Apple user since the early 90s, but imho Apple upgrades their OS system far too often now. Leopard, Snow Leopard, Lion, Mountain Lion,... all in 4, 5 years. Too much change. I want a tool that works in the long term, and not read handbooks every twelve months because of shiny new gadgets I mostly dont need. Frequent change was good in the times when each step was necessary due to the fast leaps in technology, lets say until 2005ish, but now its more about gadgets than real improvements. Its driving cost and is time consuming to constantly upgrade in short intervals, and much less necessary anymore as it once was.

For Mac newbees, refurbished Computers are often the better deal.


User currently onlinealoges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8702 posts, RR: 43
Reply 10, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 4700 times:

Quoting DIJKKIJK (Thread starter):
1. How long have you had it?

3 years, 5 months (15" MacBook Pro, late 2008 version)

What I've done to it since: upgraded the RAM from 2 GB (IIRC) to 4 GB, upgraded the HDD from 250 GB to 1 TB and finally: replaced the HDD with a 120 GB SSD, removed the optical drive and installed the HDD in a purpose-built frame in its place.

Someone must have sat on a corner (there is an otherwise inexplicable bent in the bottom case) and it has received a nasty knock to one side which left another dent. But none of that and other abuse has led to cracks or similar damage.

Quoting DIJKKIJK (Thread starter):
2. What is the performance like?

The only time I wish I had a newer version is when I'm ripping DVDs, which I do because I don't want to take the now external optical drive on trips. My laptop, like many other MBPs, has two GPUs (a slower one that improves battery life and a faster one that drains it quickly), but unlike newer versions it does require logging off and on again to switch between the two. Additionally, the ripping itself is more time-consuming than it would otherwise be.

But on the other hand, the SSD has really made it fly. I can run Windows XP in a virtual machine with no problem at all, the SSD doesn't even break a sweat. Before that, booting the VM required patience and lots of it.

As for everyday applications, this laptop is still much more than I need - that said, I have no interest in games except Civ3 and Solitaire.

Quoting DIJKKIJK (Thread starter):
3. Does it get really slow with age (just like Windows PCs), and does re-installing the operating system fix the problem.

a) No. Maintenance is almost fully automatic and the one operation (repairing access rights) that does require manual activation only does so because it's a strain on HDD performance. But I hardly ever need to run it anyway.
b) I reinstalled Lion after I had installed the SSD. For space reasons, I couldn't simply restore the backup from the 1 TB HDD to the much smaller SSD*, so I decided that it would simply be easier to install a fresh OS and restore only what I needed to the SSD... not something which I would have done with Windows!    And to my pleasant surprise, that gave me no trouble at all - even my Firefox cookies were still in place after all was said and done.

*Restoring from backup did however work perfectly during the earlier upgrade from 250 GB HDD to 1 TB HDD.

Quoting DIJKKIJK (Thread starter):
4. How is Apple's tech support?

No idea, I have never needed it. But there is plenty of helpful information on the web, the user base has long ago reached the critical mass of numbers and knowledge.

Quoting DIJKKIJK (Thread starter):
5. Would you recommend I buy one?

Yes.

Being a student, mine was a very expensive decision and only possible due to lucky circumstances. But I have never once regretted a single Euro that I've spent on it.



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User currently offlinemoo From Falkland Islands, joined May 2007, 3909 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 4681 times:

Quoting Klaus (Reply 5):
I've bought my MBP in 2006 with Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger and I've never re-installed the system since, just updated it "in place" to 10.5, 10.6 and now 10.7 Lion (which will probably be the last system it supports).

In that case, you have in-fact reinstalled the OS - 10.6 onward does a clean install and migration, which removes all of the crud that builds up (orphaned files in ~/Library etc, orphaned Launchd directives, orphaned hooks into the OS - even OSX suffers from those).

In reply to the parent, I cant comment on OSX much these days as I sit in Windows 7 99% of hte time on my Macbook Pro, but I bought it because it had the best screen in its class, I like the hardware and the ease of support.

Its a 17" MBP, 2010 edition, 8GB ram and a 500GB hard disk - its certainly fast enough for everything I want it to do.


User currently offlineeinsteinboricua From Puerto Rico, joined Apr 2010, 3048 posts, RR: 8
Reply 12, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 4672 times:

How life works. Here I am pondering whether I should get a Mac some time this year and a MacBook thread appears.
Today my WiFi driver got corrupted and that was basically the last straw. Even though I managed to fix it, I'm through having my computer slow down (though so far it has yet to crash), having drivers getting corrupted, etc. Besides, I'm expecting to get into grad school so while my laptop has served its purpose well so far, I'm thinking that for grad school I should retire it or only use it for stuff that can only be launched on Windows. I believe installing Windows on a Mac kinda defeats the purpose of having one in the first place.

Quoting fxramper (Reply 6):
Don't waste the money or time. Buy a MacBook Pro that was refurbished. It looks and runs like new and you can get them on the Apple site for $800-$1000.

Hm...interesting. Question: will you still get support? Like, for instance, when the new Mac OSX is released, do you get instant access or would you have to pay for it?

[Edited 2012-06-09 07:32:42]


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User currently offlineBraniff747SP From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 2972 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 4665 times:

Great machines, but wait for a couple of days--Monday is the WWDC, with strong indications that the next generation with Ivy Bridge, (possible) Retina Display, and likely new form factor will be announced.

Quoting einsteinboricua (Reply 12):
Hm...interesting. Question: will you still get support? Like, for instance, when the new iOS is released, do you get instant access or would you have to pay for it?

Yes, you get support, same warranty, etc. Buying refurbished is the best way to buy Apple products unless you are buying one that just came out. Like all machines, though, you need to pay to upgrade to the next OS--but upgrades to the current OS come free.



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User currently offlinemoo From Falkland Islands, joined May 2007, 3909 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 4663 times:

Quoting einsteinboricua (Reply 12):
Hm...interesting. Question: will you still get support? Like, for instance, when the new iOS is released, do you get instant access or would you have to pay for it?

iOS is for iPhones, iPads and iPod Touches only - Mac OSX is what runs on desktops and laptops.

Mac OSX updates are split into two categories - major and minor.

Minor updates are free, and take you from 10.7.0 to 10.7.1. Apple releases these until they don't, basically, but they are always free.

Major updates take you from 10.7 to 10.8.

And they are (usually - there has been one exception thus far, but that was OSX 10.0 to 10.1) paid upgrades only. Thats excluding the upgrade you get for free if you buy a Mac 30 days or so prior to Apple releasing the new version - Apple are nice like that.

If you buy a refurb Apple device, then you get the same level of support as a new device - so long as you bought it from Apple themselves. If you buy a refurb device from a third party, then its a whole different ball game.

You can also buy the AppleCare warranty in the same manner for a refurb device - to Apple they are essentially no different to new devices.


User currently offlineeinsteinboricua From Puerto Rico, joined Apr 2010, 3048 posts, RR: 8
Reply 15, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 4655 times:

Quoting moo (Reply 14):
iOS is for iPhones, iPads and iPod Touches only - Mac OSX is what runs on desktops and laptops.

Oops. Fixed it.  
Quoting moo (Reply 14):
If you buy a refurb Apple device, then you get the same level of support as a new device - so long as you bought it from Apple themselves. If you buy a refurb device from a third party, then its a whole different ball game.

You can also buy the AppleCare warranty in the same manner for a refurb device - to Apple they are essentially no different to new devices.

Excellent. Thanks for this information. Now if only Apple shipped to Puerto Rico...   



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User currently offlineblink182 From Azerbaijan, joined Oct 1999, 5480 posts, RR: 15
Reply 16, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 4643 times:

I have a 15 inch macbook pro

1. How long have you had it?
Soon to be five years.

2. What is the performance like?
Pretty solid. Can't complain. I use my computer mostly for MS Office, mp3 files, photos, skype, and internet browsing, so I don't ride this machine relatively hard.

3. Does it get really slow with age (just like Windows PCs), and does re-installing the operating system fix the problem.
The time it takes for the computer to turn on has increased noticeably, but otherwise my web browser and other files take just as long as when I first acquired the computer in summer 2007. I, to the best of my knowledge, have not had to re-install the OS, though I did upgrade from Tiger to Leopard a few years ago.

Battery life has fallen noticeably though.

4. How is Apple's tech support?
Apple's people are great for expertise and getting the problem solved. I know I had some early teething problems, and the Genius Bar was great for handling those. Nonetheless, my experience is that they also seem all too eager to sell you a bunch of new things, so just know that in advance. Overall though, its great to be able to make an appointment with a real person who is an expert and can fix your computer.

5. Would you recommend I buy one?
If you're looking for something that is going to last you five or six years, then yes.

These computers are expensive, especially the one I use, which was double the price of a fairly comparable Windows machine that my family members used at the time. You're paying a lot of money, and therefore you should expect to get a lot in return; I'm mixed whether Apple delivers their end of the proposition.

I'm happy with mine, but it definitely had some early quirks that resulted in quite a few genius bar trips; some of them were caused by my rookie mistakes and others were hardware problems caused by Apple. The first year and a half I swore I would never buy another mac, but once the kinks were worked out, the computer has run well.

Size-wise, I find my 15 inch to be a bit large and heavy to travel around town with, which I do regularly, and on airplanes. I'm happy to buy another mac, but I'll be looking for a 13 inch that is lighter-weight.



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User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21442 posts, RR: 54
Reply 17, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 4623 times:

Quoting moo (Reply 11):
Quoting Klaus (Reply 5):
I've bought my MBP in 2006 with Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger and I've never re-installed the system since, just updated it "in place" to 10.5, 10.6 and now 10.7 Lion (which will probably be the last system it supports).

In that case, you have in-fact reinstalled the OS - 10.6 onward does a clean install and migration, which removes all of the crud that builds up (orphaned files in ~/Library etc, orphaned Launchd directives, orphaned hooks into the OS - even OSX suffers from those).

No, the upgrade was not noticeably different to the other ones. All upgrades preform some modifications and some cleanup.

An actual fresh installation loses all your preferences and customizations. And that was not the case. Even most of my Unix-level customizations remained intact.

Quoting fxramper (Reply 6):
Don't waste the money or time. Buy a MacBook Pro that was refurbished. It looks and runs like new and you can get them on the Apple site for $800-$1000.

In principle the refurbished offers can be a nice option.

Except exactly when a major model overhaul is due as it is right now.

It can take months until the first refurbished machines of the new generation come trickling into the Store, and until then you're not actually "saving" money but you're just paying less to get a just-outdated computer without the current upgrades and with a resale value likely more reduced than the refurbished price is from the price of an actually new one.

So unless you have exceptional reasons for going the refurbished route even now, I would urgently recommend you to not choose it.

Or at least to wait until the new machines are being offered. At that point you'll really save money while getting essentially the same product (it may have been used but should be as good as new and comes with full support and warranty).


User currently offlinemoo From Falkland Islands, joined May 2007, 3909 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 4610 times:

Quoting Klaus (Reply 17):
No, the upgrade was not noticeably different to the other ones. All upgrades preform some modifications and some cleanup.

All upgrades do, but in 10.6 we switched to just one type of upgrade, which essentially replaced the Archive and Reinstall, but pulled most settings back - it does remove a heck of a lot of cruft from a system.

Quoting Klaus (Reply 17):
An actual fresh installation loses all your preferences and customizations. And that was not the case. Even most of my Unix-level customizations remained intact.

That's because the upgrade process we switched to in 10.6 is really nice - but my point remains, it cleans up a load of cruft at the same time.

Note: I worked at Apple as a contractor between the end of 2008 and start of 2010, one of the things I tangentially worked on was testing the upgrade process for 10.6 in January of 2009 - I know how it works.


User currently offlineKen777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 8219 posts, RR: 8
Reply 19, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 4606 times:

I moved to Macs about a month before 9/11 and took it on my first overseas business trip about a month after 9/11.

That PowerBook was a solid performer, as has been the PacBook Pro that replaced it. Getting slow with age, for me, is either from overloading the hard drive, or from being overloaded by technology. Best example of the latter would be my original G5 iMac (ordered the day it was announced) that has a hard time with the large jpeg files from my new 14 mp digital camera.

Tech support from Apple is why I switched to them. I always purchase Apple Care because it gives you both hardware protection and tech support on the software side. You can call with a "how do I" type of question - or go into a store for the Genius Bar.

Do I recommend them? Yes, for a lot of factors, but customer service is at the top of my list.

For those who need a Windows program (or a few) to run there is Parallels, which lets you run any Windows in a virtual computer. There are periodic "bundle promotions" that will include Parallels on the cheap. One right now is at:

http://www.mupromo.com/

Other bundle information is at:

http://www.macworld.com/article/1167..._bundles_offer_great_bargains.html

Another factor these days in going with a Mac is the emerging iOS running the iPad, iPhone and iPod touch. These devices are also working with Windows, but Apple is bringing them closer to Macs.

It has been mentioned before, but new products are being announced during the WWDC Keynote. It is well worth you time and money to see what goes on Monday morning. Links to sites that are traditionally good for Keybote information are:

appleinsider.com (this site has a good Forum, especially for information/support)
macrumors.com

and macdailynews.com collects stories from other sources. Bit of a fanboy site IMO, but can pick good stories.


User currently offlineDIJKKIJK From France, joined Jul 2003, 1791 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 4607 times:

Thank you for all your comments. Really appreciate it.

Quoting Klaus (Reply 5):
The only slow-down effect happens when you've got a mechanical harddisk installed and it's filling up. The data on the first-written outer tracks is read or written quite a bit faster than the data on the later-written inner tracks. This happens on all computers using harddisks, on some in addition to the OS slowing down as well.

A major reason for slowing down over time in Windows systems is the cluttering up of the registry. This is why it is always a good idea to re-install the OS once a year. Reinstalling the OS also helps get rid of the odd bug not removed by the anti-virus. Of course, both these problems almost never happen in Linux systems or with the Mac.

Quoting na (Reply 9):
For Mac newbees, refurbished Computers are often the better deal.

I'm not a MacNewbie.   I have used their stuff . In my experience, they really slow down with time, much like Windows systems. My workplace is full of old Macs which are technically ok, but are really slow and scratchy, and are simply gathering dust. Anyone needing a PC simply buys a new one. The advantage with Windows powered PCs is that they can be recycled and made as good as new by installing linux once they get too slow and old. I was wondering if doing some such thing was possible with an old Mac.

Quoting blink182 (Reply 16):
These computers are expensive, especially the one I use, which was double the price of a fairly comparable Windows machine that my family members used at the time. You're paying a lot of money, and therefore you should expect to get a lot in return; I'm mixed whether Apple delivers their end of the proposition.

  

Quoting aloges (Reply 10):
Yes.

Being a student, mine was a very expensive decision and only possible due to lucky circumstances. But I have never once regretted a single Euro that I've spent on it.

Man, that's a lot of upgrading you've done in three years. Was it really required, I mean, were there performance issues that made you upgrade?



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User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21442 posts, RR: 54
Reply 21, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 4590 times:

Quoting moo (Reply 18):
All upgrades do, but in 10.6 we switched to just one type of upgrade, which essentially replaced the Archive and Reinstall, but pulled most settings back - it does remove a heck of a lot of cruft from a system.

The internal mechanism doesn't matter in the end when the user-visible effect is a transparent upgrade with pretty much full retention of your configuration, not a new installation where you'd have to manually reconstruct your setup afterwards..


User currently offlinemoo From Falkland Islands, joined May 2007, 3909 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 4586 times:

Quoting Klaus (Reply 21):
The internal mechanism doesn't matter in the end when the user-visible effect is a transparent upgrade with pretty much full retention of your configuration, not a new installation where you'd have to manually reconstruct your setup afterwards..

Just pointing out that it achieves the same thing as a reinstall of Windows does, for much the same reasons - cruft hanging around.


User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21442 posts, RR: 54
Reply 23, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 4584 times:

Quoting moo (Reply 22):
Just pointing out that it achieves the same thing as a reinstall of Windows does, for much the same reasons - cruft hanging around.

Does a fresh Windows installation retain all applications, documents and settings?


User currently offlinemoo From Falkland Islands, joined May 2007, 3909 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 4583 times:

Quoting Klaus (Reply 23):
Does a fresh Windows installation retain all applications, documents and settings?

It can do actually, if you migrate the settings - works a treat.


25 Klaus : Then it's to be hoped that it still filters out the reasons why it became necessary in the first place.
26 moo : But then I don't ever see the fabled "slow down due to cruft" anyway.
27 N243NW : 1.I'm typing this from one of the original MacBooks that slid off the assembly line in June 2006. I'm waiting and waiting for something to happen, bu
28 safetydemo : I'm on my third Windows-based laptop in three years. I can't seem to pick a solid one that can put up with how mobile my life is (I work for an airlin
29 Klaus : Usually soon, if not immediately. This weekend would be the absolute worst time to shop for a new Mac. Wait at least for monday.
30 Braniff747SP : Wait until Monday. The products will be available almost immediately--even if you don't care for it, the current models will drop in price.
31 aloges : Apart from the RAM upgrade (which I did because it was cheaper than buying the 4 GB of RAM directly from Apple), none of it was really necessary. I j
32 Post contains images PHX787 : 1) 2 years 2) SOOOO MUCH BETTER THAN PC and can handle so much. 3) Nope, stays about the same. However mine gets a lot of abuse so that may take a ha
33 Post contains links and images Ken777 : Monday's arrived and the Keynote is close. On the MacBook Pro's the rumor is a significantly improved display - the "Retina" version. Lots of rumors,
34 Post contains images Klaus : Indeed, and it's a whopper: • 15" • 2880 * 1800 pixels (again proper 16:10, not letterboxed 16:9!) • glossy but with a new anti-glare coating
35 Hywel : So in Europe that's gonna be at least 2199 euros... too expensive for me sorry. I'm going with one of the new MacBook Airs instead.
36 Post contains images Ken777 : You'll love it. My wife has one and I get envious. Unfortunately I'm needing a new iMac more than a new notebook. Unfortunately my new iMac wasn't an
37 Hywel : I already have a MacBook Pro but the Air will be nice, much faster with the SSD drive and more portable. The new iMacs were supposed to get announced
38 Braniff747SP : The new 15' MBP will be fantastic--quite expensive, though, so I'll be going for the (upgraded and faster) old-body-with-new-guts 13' MBP.
39 racko : The new one is a beast. Too expensive for me, but what a machine.
40 Post contains links Klaus : The official product pages are online: http://www.apple.com/macbook-pro/features/ The Retina Display is an IPS panel, by the way, just like the iPhone
41 Post contains images moo : 17" MacBook Pro is gone and you can't set the retina display to a native resolution of 2880x1800, just a retina resolution which means you are still s
42 Post contains images Klaus : Its main attraction had been its higher display resolution. I've got an older 17" here, but I might rather go for the new 15" now even if a 17" was a
43 Ken777 : I was hoping for the release, but the Mac Pro desktop had a silent release so maybe the iMac will be the same. I think the biggest factor for the iMa
44 blink182 : Will Macbook Air get a revamp in the next few weeks?
45 Klaus : It already got its update today, together with all the other MacBooks: • new, faster Ivy Bridge CPUs • more, faster RAM • bigger, much faster S
46 racko : Speaking about that, interesting to see Apple giving the finger to the video production crowd like that. Probably a small group of Apple customers, b
47 Braniff747SP : Just got my '13 MBP... Surprisingly, they had it in-store. Blazing fast and good graphics.
48 Post contains images moo : The resolution was precisely why I bought the 17" version Full screen content, such as games or video, will have 2880x900 available to it. OS UI base
49 Klaus : No, you've just fallen for the confusion that is rampant about this issue. The physical "screen real estate" of course remains 15" across. No change
50 moo : Theres absolutely no point in discussing anything with you Klaus, because you miss both the point and content of my posts. Bye.
51 Klaus : Your point was: "The Retina resolution is not addressable." And I explained to you that yes, it is fully addressable, including an explanation of how
52 vinniewinnie : 1. How long have you had it? 2.5 Years (MacBook Pro 13 inch, 2.4 GHZ, 4GB of Ram, 250 GB of Ram) 2. What is the performance like? Amazing other than f
53 Post contains images Klaus : I just checked out a demo machine of the new MacBook Pro in a store. It's mechanically as rock-solid as its predecessors, just thinner and lighter. Th
54 cmf : It is a beautiful package they put together but ridiculously expensive and I do not like the trend of making them very poorly serviceable, pentalobe s
55 Klaus : It may be much more than you need or want to pay for, but for a pro-level notebook of its class with a large SSD and its range of features it is actu
56 cmf : You may think so, I don't. Gluing is always a bad idea for parts that you want to be replaceable. Even worse when you want them to be recycled. It is
57 Klaus : In relation to other machines in the same class? Or in relation to the fact that you would never consider buying any machine of that class anyway? Fa
58 cmf : Of course in relation to similar machines. Not that you can get retina in other machines right now. But then the question is if it is the deciding fa
59 Klaus : Even without the Retina resolution there are not many machines with the combination of quality build, thin, light, fast and long-running in 15". Do y
60 cmf : The usual suspects have them. They have the similar processing performance but the rest of the spec differ a bit. They target the same group and thus
61 Post contains links racko : Battery replacement will be 200 bucks: http://www.macrumors.com/2012/06/15/...n-macbook-pro-with-retina-display/
62 cmf : Some of the increase is down to the higher capacity.
63 Klaus : The fact that you haven't been able to name even a single one is telling. The Retina MacBook Pro 15" substantially undercuts Intel's "Ultrabook" spec
64 cmf : What is telling is that you can't configure a machine. Lenovo T530 with i7-3610QM 16 GB RAM, 2 x 128 GB SSD - 1,760 USD. If you're think your product
65 Post contains images Klaus : Are you for real? It was your point to make, not mine! It's more than double the size, weighs half a kilo more, has a smaller, lower-resolution scree
66 Ken777 : There is as much engineering as there is industrial design. There is also a willingness to commit money to the product - everything from machines to
67 Klaus : As far as I'm aware they still do swap the mass storage unit when replacing Macs, and since it is easily swappable on the new model as well, that sho
68 cmf : I am for real. I'm questioning you. I already said the retina display is where it has an advantage. Though it turns out to be less than first expecte
69 Post contains images Klaus : It's 2880*1800. And the machine is actually made for more than just watching videos on it. You will nevertheless have real difficulty identifying any
70 cmf : The screen is 2880 x 1800 but it is not available to users. The default resolution is 1440 x 900, where you get the retina advantage. The highest use
71 Ken777 : It's really easy. Some people can understand why Apple has such an intense focus on design and some people only consider it "cosmetics". Compared to
72 cmf : Some people think looks is all there is. Some people think it doesn't matter. Most think it is one part of many important things. Fanboys tend to bli
73 mirrodie : 1. How long have you had it? 3 years, 6 months. 2. What is the performance like? Great but a little slower recently. OUt of 320 Gb, I have about 13 Gb
74 Klaus : No, it's most likely a mechanical harddisk. It would have been seriously expensive 3 years ago with an SSD of that capacity. The slowdown is physical
75 Post contains links Ken777 : And some people realize that there is more to good design than making something look pretty. When you have a designer like Jonathan Ive you have some
76 cmf : Absolutely correct. Good design is about much more than looking pretty. It is about functionality. It is about serviceability. It is about cost. More
77 Klaus : The Ethernet functionality is present to 100% with the adapter, at exactly the same performance as if it was installed on the motherboard. To the con
78 cmf : As mentioned before there is a lot more to functionality than that. You also need to consider the risk of forgetting / losing the adapter, additional
79 Post contains images Kaphias : Not for most people, I don't think. If I only use the ethernet port when I'm at home but not when I'm out at the library, or at a class, or just outs
80 cmf : Then you're SOOL when it turns out you need a cable connection, I don't know how you reach the conclusion that including an Ethernet connector would
81 mirrodie : Since I recentlt had the motherboard and 4 gb of ram replaced as well as my screen, would it be possible to change out the mechanical hard disc for a
82 Klaus : Yes, a standard 2.5" SSD should fit.
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