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UK Pm Cameron Leaves Daughter Behind In Pub  
User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10895 posts, RR: 37
Posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2077 times:

I know it could happen to anyone, it's easy for a harassed parent to do this, but being the British PM the man has loads of lackeys. You would have thought one of his minders would have noticed.

David Cameron's daughter Nancy left behind at pub

David Cameron and his wife, Samantha, left their eight-year-old daughter, Nancy, in a pub after having Sunday lunch, Downing Street has confirmed.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-18391663

Not that the pub owner can look up PM David Cameron in the phone book and find his number.

 Wow!  


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User currently offlineSmittyOne From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2057 times:

LOL maybe she was acting up and they made good on their threats...

But seriously, somebody other than the PM must be responsible for a head count before his family departs any location (from a security standpoint)!


User currently offlinealoges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8707 posts, RR: 42
Reply 2, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2017 times:

Quote:
After leaving, Mr Cameron went home in one car with his bodyguards and thought Nancy was with his wife and their other children in another car.

Mrs Cameron had assumed her eldest daughter was with her father.

How's that proverb go... "assumption, the mother of all F-ups"?



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User currently offlinescbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12566 posts, RR: 46
Reply 3, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1999 times:
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I often leave my daughters in the pub. They can both drink their old man under the table.












Then, they are 28 and 25.   



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User currently offlineHywel From Uganda, joined Apr 2008, 802 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1988 times:

Quote:
As they went to leave, Nancy went off to the toilet without telling them.

The Prime Minister was driven back to Chequers, which is two miles from the pub, with protection officers in one car, while Mrs Cameron drove their other children in another.

Mr Cameron presumed that Nancy was in the car with his wife, while she thought that their daughter had jumped in with the Prime Minister.

For goodness sake leave them alone - it was a genuine mistake! Parents are NOT perfect, and they're not meant to be!


User currently offlineluv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12110 posts, RR: 48
Reply 5, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 1937 times:
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Quoting Hywel (Reply 4):
For goodness sake leave them alone - it was a genuine mistake! Parents are NOT perfect, and they're not meant to be!

I agree each parent thought the other one had handled it.



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User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6654 posts, RR: 11
Reply 6, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 1908 times:

Next time they'll take only one car, I guess.


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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10895 posts, RR: 37
Reply 7, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 1894 times:

Quoting luv2fly (Reply 5):
I agree each parent thought the other one had handled it.

If I had a young child I'd keep my eye on them at all times especially when out and about and if I was leaving I would make sure they were with me and if they weren't I wouldn't just assume that they are with the mother, assumptions aren't good enough and don't stop bad things from happening. They both made the same assumption, so bad parenting x2.
They left it far too long to find out whether or not the other person had their daughter, I'd have immediately contacted the other person to find out before even leaving.

 Wow!



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User currently offlineajd1992 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 1881 times:

Quoting Hywel (Reply 4):
For goodness sake leave them alone - it was a genuine mistake! Parents are NOT perfect, and they're not meant to be!

But when this moron is supposed to be in charge of a country, you'd think he'd be a bit more aware of his own kids.

As you can see, I am not a fan of the Tory Government  


User currently offlinevegetables2001 From UK - England, joined Mar 2012, 93 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 1861 times:

Quoting ajd1992 (Reply 8):
As you can see, I am not a fan of the Tory Government

So what?



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User currently offlinerfields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 7607 posts, RR: 31
Reply 10, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 1859 times:

Quoting Hywel (Reply 4):
Mr Cameron presumed that Nancy was in the car with his wife, while she thought that their daughter had jumped in with the Prime Minister.

This type thing has happened to EVERY set of parents at one time or another.

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 7):
If I had a young child I'd keep my eye on them at all times especially when out and about and if I was leaving I would make sure they were with me and if they weren't I wouldn't just assume that they are with the mother,

But you apparently don't have a child. And while your statement is true, and something all new parents say - the reality is that if you have more than one child and two forms of transportation - the likelyhood you will 'lose' one at some point is almost 100%.

Quoting Hywel (Reply 4):
Nancy went off to the toilet without telling them.

My father left my sister at a restaurant at 4 am back in 1962 - same reason. He went in for a cup of coffee, and she went to the restroom without telling anyone. He was five miles down the road before my mom woke up - and could only count five kids in the back seat.

I've lost track of my son in a store when he was 'supposed to be' with his mom.

The part of the story which is more frightening to me is that the security detail of the PM could lose track of one of their charges.

---------------------------------

Another note to folks who are not from the UK - we Americans would presume that the PM and his wife were out drinking for an evening, and lost track of the kid due to lack of concentration after partying.

Pubs in the UK can be more like a Chili's or TGIF or Applebees - a restaurant with a good bar.


User currently offlineoldeuropean From Germany, joined May 2005, 2091 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 1856 times:

Quoting rfields5421 (Reply 10):
This type thing has happened to EVERY set of parents at one time or another.

No!



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User currently offlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8841 posts, RR: 24
Reply 12, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 1841 times:

Quoting oldeuropean (Reply 11):
No!

Then either you have never been a parent, or you must be German. oh wait...



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User currently offlineajd1992 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 1841 times:

Quoting vegetables2001 (Reply 9):
So what?

So he's a moron in charge of the country, and he can't even coordinate with his wife where his children are? And people voted for this buffoon?

Quoting rfields5421 (Reply 10):
This type thing has happened to EVERY set of parents at one time or another.

Nuh-uh. NEVER happened to me or my parents and I'm willing to bet it more often doesn't than does.


User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10895 posts, RR: 37
Reply 14, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 1800 times:

So it turns out that this happened a couple of months ago
And it is leaked now?

 Wow!  

“It’s frightening the Prime Minister of Britain can forget something so important as his own daughter.”

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/poli...-Cameron-left-daughter-in-pub.html

Have the pub not thought of contacting the NSPCC Helpline
If you have concerns about a child's safety and wellbeing, including a child in your family, you can use this form to tell the NSPCC Helpline. One of our advisors will read it within 24 hours and decide what action needs to be taken.

https://www.nspcc.org.uk/Applications/Forms/HelplineConcern/the-helpline-online-form.aspx

  



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User currently offlineBongodog1964 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2006, 3585 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 1799 times:

Quoting rfields5421 (Reply 10):
Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 7):
If I had a young child I'd keep my eye on them at all times especially when out and about and if I was leaving I would make sure they were with me and if they weren't I wouldn't just assume that they are with the mother,

But you apparently don't have a child. And while your statement is true, and something all new parents say - the reality is that if you have more than one child and two forms of transportation - the likelyhood you will 'lose' one at some point is almost 100%.

Personal experience tells me that children are as slippery as eels, I've come close to losing my daughter in shops on a number of occasions, she's a few months older than David Cameron's daughter so I probably have some idea of the situation. There are two trains of thought when it comes to handling young children, some never let them out of their sight, accompany them to the toilet, deliver them by car everywhere etc. Others take the view that independence is a good thing and 8 year olds (and a lot younger) can take themselves to the toilet, walk to the village shop, walk round to their friends. My guess is that the Cameron's fall into the latter.

Quoting rfields5421 (Reply 10):
The part of the story which is more frightening to me is that the security detail of the PM could lose track of one of their charges.

In the UK we provide little if any protection to anyone other than senior members of the Royal family and politicians, I would doubt that the Cameron's children are on the list.


User currently offlineluv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12110 posts, RR: 48
Reply 16, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 1781 times:
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Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 14):
“It’s frightening the Prime Minister of Britain can forget something so important as his own daughter.”



What is frighting, is that people don't allow him to be human just like the rest of us. Last time I looked none of us are walking on water at the moment.



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User currently offlinestealthz From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5696 posts, RR: 44
Reply 17, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 1781 times:
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Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 15):
In the UK we provide little if any protection to anyone other than senior members of the Royal family and politicians, I would doubt that the Cameron's children are on the list.

Actually that concerns me, I am not a big fan of the overkill level of security the USA indulges in for the POTUS and other officials but I would think at this period in history the security detail assigned to the head of govt of one of the highest terror targets(arguably the 2nd) would at least have a watching brief over where the children of those leaders were.



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User currently offlineGBLKD From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2011, 345 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 1773 times:

My son has never wandered off when we're out, I always know where he is. My wife on the other hand, blink and she's gone. It doesn't help that she's only 5ft tall so can pretty much disappear behind any display in any shop.

User currently offlineDelboy From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 725 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 1767 times:

Quoting rfields5421 (Reply 10):
This type thing has happened to EVERY set of parents at one time or another.

You are talking absolute drivel, this has never happened to me, any relatives or anyone else I know who has had children and we are now talking about many hundreds of couples now.

To leave a laptop containing vital security information on it in the pub is careless, to leave a child there is indefensible.

Cameron, you're a ******* disgrace!


User currently offlineU2380 From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2010, 325 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 1739 times:

Quoting ajd1992 (Reply 13):
So he's a moron in charge of the country, and he can't even coordinate with his wife where his children are? And people voted for this buffoon?

Yeah, because Ed Milliband is a great alternative? That buffoon can't even speak in a coherent manner, let alone run a country.

Note, I don't think Cameron is a particularly great leader, but he's certainly better than the alternative.

As for leaving is daughter in a pub. It's a non-event, there certainly isn't a link between it and his ability to run a country. An innocent mistake, over-dramaticised by the hopelessly left wing BBC.


User currently offlinealoges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8707 posts, RR: 42
Reply 21, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 1730 times:

Quoting U2380 (Reply 20):
An innocent mistake, over-dramaticised by the hopelessly left wing BBC.

What did they overdramatise? This bit, perhaps?

Quote:
When the prime minister's wife returned to collect Nancy she found her helping staff.

There's no added word about drama anywhere in the article - all they did was quote.



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User currently offlineajd1992 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 1697 times:

Quoting U2380 (Reply 20):
Yeah, because Ed Milliband is a great alternative? That buffoon can't even speak in a coherent manner, let alone run a country.

I didn't say he was - and anyway, why assume I'm a labour supporter? Cameron has f*cked everybody from Lands End to John O'Groats as well, and while Labour wasn't brilliant it was a lot better under Labour than Tory.


User currently offlineU2380 From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2010, 325 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 1690 times:

Quoting ajd1992 (Reply 22):
I didn't say he was - and anyway, why assume I'm a labour supporter?

I didn't assume you were a Labour supporter. If you don't have Cameron you have Miliband, there is no viable alternative.

Quoting ajd1992 (Reply 22):
and while Labour wasn't brilliant it was a lot better under Labour than Tory.

Yeah, they were brilliant. Leading us into illegal and unnecessary wars, giving away power/authority to the EU without holding a referendum, bowing to the every whim of the trade unions and racking up great quantities of debt in the process.

[Edited 2012-06-11 10:35:47]

User currently offlineGDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 13206 posts, RR: 77
Reply 24, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 1650 times:

Quoting U2380 (Reply 20):
As for leaving is daughter in a pub. It's a non-event, there certainly isn't a link between it and his ability to run a country. An innocent mistake, over-dramaticised by the hopelessly left wing BBC.

Erm, the only banner headlines was on The Sun, didn't see the Mail but it'll be very a prominent story, apparently it was on their website.
The Guardian had it as a small story buried inside.

So the theories (paranoia's?) of the likes of Richard Littlejohn, the Murdoch press, don't really hold up, do they?
God knows why anyone not with a stake in Murdoch or the Mail would take their ravings seriously?
Which is where this anti BBC stuff has always come from, in particular, that nice Mr Murdoch and his squeaky clean, not at all deceptive, criminal organisation? Why still lap their shit up?

I don't like Cameron, politics aside it's fairly well known he's not nice to his subordinates, any awkward question in the Commons, not always from the Opposition either, he goes red faced and get's very personal.
But - I don't condemn him or his wife for this lapse, I do believe it when they say they were distraught.

There is a question however about the Personal Protection Officers.
Though we don't want to go down the path of excessive security.
Even though times have changed, in the 1960's PM Harold Wilson would introduce his (single) PPO as this is Fred, his job is to shoot the man who shoots me!


User currently offlinegingersnap From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2010, 893 posts, RR: 5
Reply 25, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1614 times:

Quoting rfields5421 (Reply 10):
This type thing has happened to EVERY set of parents at one time or another.

Nope. Never happened to me in my years as a parent.



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User currently offlineMaverick623 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 5650 posts, RR: 6
Reply 26, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1586 times:

Quoting rfields5421 (Reply 10):

This type thing has happened to EVERY set of parents at one time or another.

Count me among those that can disprove this. While I am not a parent, my parents have never unintentionally left me or my sisters behind, anywhere.



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User currently offlineU2380 From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2010, 325 posts, RR: 0
Reply 27, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1585 times:

Quoting GDB (Reply 24):
So the theories (paranoia's?) of the likes of Richard Littlejohn, the Murdoch press, don't really hold up, do they?
God knows why anyone not with a stake in Murdoch or the Mail would take their ravings seriously?
Which is where this anti BBC stuff has always come from, in particular, that nice Mr Murdoch and his squeaky clean, not at all deceptive, criminal organisation? Why still lap their shit up?

Oh believe me, I don't take any of the Murdoch empires publications seriously, the vast majority of their articles are absolute rubbish written for the ignorant. It doesn't surprise me in the slightest that they would latch onto this story.

However, they don't claim to be impartial. The BBC does. A company which is funded by tax payers money should be impartial and informative, unfortunately the BBC is neither. Every political article written by the BBC has a clear left-wing slant. Heck, even director general Mark Thompson has admitted as such:

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/b...-admits-leftwing-bias-6509105.html
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...2012/may/15/leftwing-bias-bbc-myth

On top of that, their standard of broadcasting is inexcusably dire. The BBC coverage of the Jubilee was embarrassingly poor.


User currently onlinekiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8565 posts, RR: 13
Reply 28, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1542 times:
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Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 26):
my parents have never unintentionally left me or my sisters behind, anywhere.

Did they ever do it intentionally ?  



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User currently offlineMaverick623 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 5650 posts, RR: 6
Reply 29, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1537 times:

Quoting kiwiandrew (Reply 28):
Did they ever do it intentionally ?

I plead the 5th.



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User currently offlinegemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5659 posts, RR: 6
Reply 30, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 1460 times:

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 29):
I plead the 5th.

Not applicable in New Zealand!  

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User currently offlineGDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 13206 posts, RR: 77
Reply 31, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 1318 times:

Quoting U2380 (Reply 27):
The BBC does.

Maybe a better word is tries .

I saw the coverage of this story on the BBC, it was 'a' headline, now the headline. And the coverage, if you count people quoted about it, was sympathetic to the Cameron's.

Their Political Editor was a head of the Conservative Students at his Uni, there is of course higher up, Chris Patten.
Mr Clarkson is no apostle for left wing politics, he gets more leeway then anyone.

What I saw of the Jubilee river pageant was not good, what I saw of the rest of it seemed OK, the river thing was not an easy thing to cover so they went too far the other way in trying to compensate for what was a slow, long event.

For all it's faults, the BBC is a bulwark against excessive media control by, in the case of Murdoch, foreign oligarchs.
Which is why his organisation hates them so.

There have been, since TV became the mass news source, three major flare ups between a government and the BBC.
Two were Labour governments, Wilson in the 1960's - rather more left of centre than the party today, Blair of course over Iraq/David Kelly. And under Tories, no surprise, it was Maggie Thatcher.

The more committed of the pro and anti camps in the Iraq war in 2003, both accused the BBC of 'bias'.
Republic, them of the soggy, miserable demo by the river, constantly accuse them of being too obsequious in Royal coverage, which if true, is not a very left wing position to take.


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