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User currently offlineg2scandinavia From Norway, joined Jun 2010, 535 posts, RR: 1
Posted (2 years 3 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 3327 times:

China forbids tourism to Norway

China Have issued a new travel statement regarding Norway. With immediate effect, Chinese tour operators are not allowed to sell tickets for trips to Europe that includes a visit to Norway. China have also forbidden all kinds of marketing for Norway as a tourist destination for chinese tour operators.

Norwegian officials have asked for an explanation for this sudden turnaround.
No explanation has been given, but its likely to be another result of the Nobel Peace prize of 2010.

Approximately 40.000 tourist on package trips to Norway where expected this summer.
As there are no private travel operators in China, the effect will in theory zeroing out the numbers of visitors this year.

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User currently offlineSomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3387 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (2 years 3 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 3249 times:

I guess flights to China are further away now than ever, not that any Norwegian carrier will get landing permits in China anyway

Well, that's the consequences when our stupid politicians are trying to "save the world" by handing out prices to various kinds of suspect people. Even Palestinian terrorists managed to get that stupid peace prize  


User currently offlinebennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7610 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (2 years 3 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 3189 times:

iirc, the Nobel Prize Committee is supposed to be independent.

Do you propose that that ask the permission of China, (or any other government) ?.


User currently offlineatcsundevil From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 1205 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (2 years 3 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 3060 times:

I think it also has to do with Norway trying to block China from gaining a permanent observer seat on the Arctic Council. In other words, they want oil. Since China requires Norway's vote to be put on the council and Norway won't budge, China is pissed.

Go ahead China, throw your temper tantrum. I'm going to start looking at flights to Norway now so I can enjoy it without flocks of tour groups photographing nothing. Norway 1, China 0.


User currently offlineokAY From Finland, joined Dec 2006, 663 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (2 years 3 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 3025 times:

I, for one, salute Norway for Nobel Peace Prize. Without taking part in discussion to whom the Prize is given, I value the work the Nobel Committee is doing, and that they make their choice regardless of the fact that sometimes it can result in such actions as what we have now seen by the Chinese government. Also, as a positive note can be seen the fact that even the all mighty Chinese governement obviously regards Nobel Peace Prize as something important as they go to such extreme measures to show their disatisfaction in the matter.

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User currently offlineNUAir From Malaysia, joined Jun 2000, 1181 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (2 years 3 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2842 times:

I agree with atcsundevil this has everything to do with the arctic council not the nobel prize.

Maybe all these tourists can visit the safe and secure streets of Syria since the Chinese government seems to think nothing bad is happening there.



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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7560 posts, RR: 18
Reply 6, posted (2 years 3 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2708 times:

Quoting g2scandinavia (Thread starter):
No explanation has been given, but its likely to be another result of the Nobel Peace prize of 2010.

Of all the countries in the world for the PRC to forbid, why the heck Norway? Are they really directly involved with the peace prize?



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User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7703 posts, RR: 21
Reply 7, posted (2 years 3 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2679 times:
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Whatever the reason, I doubt Norway will particularly suffer. China should grow up, it's a pretty pathetic move.


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User currently offlineatcsundevil From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 1205 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (2 years 3 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2636 times:

Quoting RussianJet (Reply 7):
I doubt Norway will particularly suffer

They won't! I'm looking for a flight and I'm gonna come spend a crapload of money.

Quoting NUAir (Reply 5):
Maybe all these tourists can visit the safe and secure streets of Syria since the Chinese government seems to think nothing bad is happening there.

Without getting political, I think this qualifies as a "zinger." Being angry at Norway makes about as much sense as declaring a fatwa on neckties.


User currently offlineSKAirbus From Norway, joined Oct 2007, 1737 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (2 years 3 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2626 times:

China is known for playing its childish political games, and uses them to deflect from the real issues in their own country including abject poverty, a government starting to show cracks, an economic boom starting to show signs of slowing, no personal freedoms for anyone, no press freedoms, active oppression by the government against citizens including torture, and death.

Personally, I think Liu Xiaobo is a hero who took on a system that hates and oppresses its people and to work towards freedom and fairness for all. Who cares if there will be no direct flight to Norway from China, I'm sure the Norwegian government don't particularly care. I mean, when it comes down to it, Norway has and always will have the upper hand in this case  .



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User currently offlineatcsundevil From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 1205 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (2 years 3 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2563 times:

Quoting SKAirbus (Reply 9):

Aaaaandddd the thread gets locked in 3...2...1...


User currently offlineqf340500 From Singapore, joined Oct 2011, 160 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (2 years 3 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2303 times:

How can a country just play around like that??? And think they gonna be respected or taken seriously??? Why should the whole world bend their head and knees to China? I applaud everyone who doesnt!

User currently offlinearn777 From Sweden, joined Jul 2010, 201 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (2 years 3 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2217 times:

The Nobel Peace Prize Commitee is separate and independent and does not have anything to do with the official Norwegian Goverment so how China is reacting and behaving in this situation says everything..

Quoting qf340500 (Reply 12):
How can a country just play around like that??? And think they gonna be respected or taken seriously??? Why should the whole world bend their head and knees to China? I applaud everyone who doesnt!

Thumbs up!!


User currently offlinegoosebayguy From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2009, 401 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (2 years 3 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2103 times:

China needs Norway more than Norway needs China.

User currently offlinescouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 3390 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (2 years 3 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2030 times:

Quoting qf340500 (Reply 12):
How can a country just play around like that??? And think they gonna be respected or taken seriously??? Why should the whole world bend their head and knees to China? I applaud everyone who doesnt!

I think that they see themselves similarly to what the UK did 200 years ago and the US in the 20th centuary - a "World power" that snaps its fingers and everyone comes running. Some of their pronouncements are comical though!


User currently offlineByrdluvs747 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 2360 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (2 years 3 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 1978 times:

I support Norway's decision. China doesn't need to be a permanent observer on the Arctic Council. Their current behavior demonstrates their obstructionist/manipulating intent.

I 'm surprised to see that Spain is a permanent memer, but Japan isn't.



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User currently offlineaeroblogger From India, joined Dec 2011, 1363 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (2 years 3 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 1961 times:

This has absolutely nothing to do with the Nobel Prize, and everything to do with the Arctic council. Norway is standing in the way of China's interests, and China is reacting to that. Whether Norway is right to stand in the way is a completely different topic, but I certainly can see why China would be pissed.


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User currently offlineqf340500 From Singapore, joined Oct 2011, 160 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (2 years 3 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 1936 times:

comical indeed....

so now let us ALL go to Norway and make a point that the rest of the world doesnt give a damn  


User currently offlineMillwallSean From Singapore, joined Apr 2008, 1244 posts, RR: 6
Reply 18, posted (2 years 3 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 1765 times:

Ahh hehe China wanna play big bully with the worlds richest country. That will end in a yawn.

China doesn't have enough power to bully any major western country around yet. But to to pick on Norway is easy. They aren't in the EU and thus doesn't have Chinas biggest trading partner and export market supporting their stands. So China knows its not much Norway can do back and they also know they are rich enough not to be hurt by it (ie not creating an eternal enemy)

To get some connection with aviation. Norwegian with a base in Beijing feels hmm far away right now. id say this will be noticed in Scandinavia and i assume we will see quite a few governments take notice. Bad diplomatic play by China most European governments will take notice and are less likely to support China in its global aspirations now.

China seat on the Arctic Council feels hmm even further than ever.
May I who don't know ask what China's claim is to that?
Its hardly Russia, US Iceland, Denmark or Canada etc with a long arctic border. Doesn't make sense.

Perhaps this is more of an accumulative issue. Norway virtually give the finger to China on an annual basis and the Chinese don't like that. Tibet, Arctic, UN resolutions, support for chinese democracy groups etc (the most popular software used to circumvent Chinese government blocks on the net is financed by Sweden 60% plus development and Norway 40%) . Many small creeks eventually becomes a big river.

Ah well, I guess the claim to the arctic seat comes from one of those 400 year old admiral voyages that they claim show that China gave the land on Borneo to the natives and they gave China the oceans and seabed and islands...
Like China sea and the conflicts with Philippines/Malaysia etc. (the fact that its been 100 treaty's after that in the same area is irrelevant to the chinese and that the british rules it all for a century or two also passes them completely.



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User currently offlineZKOJH From China, joined Sep 2004, 1701 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (2 years 3 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 1723 times:

anyone got any links to this!? my partner is due to take a group to Norway next month and she has heard nothing of this, (apart from me of course) is it official that China have lost the plot?!


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User currently offlineQuokkas From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (2 years 3 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 1560 times:

While the Chinese action may be unfortunate and pointless, there will be those in Norway who will be affected by the decision. Tourism operators have already suffered from a decline in the numbers of visitors from other parts of Europe as a result of the financial crisis and rising unemployment. Losing additional tourists will not help the bottom line.

Quote:
Now Norwegian Broadcasting (NRK) has reported that the Norwegian market may see a decline in the roughly 30,000 Chinese tourists who arrived in Norway last year. That was up from 10,000 just a year earlier, and tourism officials had been keenly eyeing more growth in line with growing affluence within China. More Chinese are able to take overseas holiday than ever before, and everyone from hotel owners to sightseeing companies have viewed tourism from Asia as a new growth area.
Source.

So not everyone will be telling the Chinese Government to "take a hike" and "grow up", as desirable as both may be.


User currently offlinezkojq From New Zealand, joined Sep 2011, 1216 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (2 years 3 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 1250 times:

Quoting atcsundevil (Reply 3):

I think it also has to do with Norway trying to block China from gaining a permanent observer seat on the Arctic Council. In other words, they want oil. Since China requires Norway's vote to be put on the council and Norway won't budge, China is pissed.

   It will be about the Arctic Council membership. I really hope Norway doesn't cave in to their demands. If there is one western country that can stand up to China on such matters in the current economic environment, it will be Norway.

Quoting SKAirbus (Reply 9):
China is known for playing its childish political games

   In addition there is the supposed blockade of Airbus orders due to the European Union's ETS legislation and the tantrum the Chinese government always throws when the USA tries to sell Taiwan weapons/military equipment. Unfortunately China seems to use its economic might to bully other nations into submission regularly: One nation challenges China on their human rights record, China threatens to restrict trade, the human rights issues are quickly swept under the carpet. As a cartoon in the New Zealand Herald said recently: 'What is our policy towards Tibet? Our policy towards Tibet is the policy that China wants it to be.'

Quoting SKAirbus (Reply 9):
Personally, I think Liu Xiaobo is a hero who took on a system that hates and oppresses its people and to work towards freedom and fairness for all.

After Liu Xiaobo won the Nobel Peace Prize, China's Ministry of Foreign Affairs said the prize 'will bring damage to two-way relations.' Seems to only be as damaging as China wants it to be.

Quoting qf340500 (Reply 12):
Why should the whole world bend their head and knees to China? I applaud everyone who doesnt!

Me also. It would be nice for some other western nations to join together and standing up to China's immature and childish behaviour. Unfortunately that won't happen in the current economic environment.



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User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6656 posts, RR: 11
Reply 22, posted (2 years 3 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 1090 times:

Quoting Someone83 (Reply 1):
Well, that's the consequences when our stupid politicians are trying to "save the world" by handing out prices to various kinds of suspect people. Even Palestinian terrorists managed to get that stupid peace prize

Suspect people ? Maybe other winners, but I'd say the reaction of the Chinese government says it all, in that case...



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User currently offlineAirPacific747 From Denmark, joined May 2008, 2407 posts, RR: 24
Reply 23, posted (2 years 3 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 883 times:

Meanwhile, Danish politicians have suddenly forgotten their critical questions toward China while Hu Jin Tao is visiting. Tibet comes second when China brings enough money to the country.

[Edited 2012-06-16 03:27:14]

User currently offlineCXB77L From Australia, joined Feb 2009, 2614 posts, RR: 5
Reply 24, posted (2 years 3 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 798 times:
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Quoting qf340500 (Reply 11):
Why should the whole world bend their head and knees to China? I applaud everyone who doesnt!

Likewise.   

Quoting MillwallSean (Reply 18):
May I who don't know ask what China's claim is to that?

That's what I want to know too. What has the Arctic Council got to do with China? China doesn't have a border anywhere near the Arctic.

Maybe Norway should retaliate by prohibiting mainland Chinese carriers from overflying their airspace, forcing them to take a more southerly route to LHR.



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25 Post contains images zkojq : Or begin diplomatic relations with ROC/Taiwan.........if they wanted to be very, very provocative. Imagine China's reaction.
26 texan : For the past day and a half, instead of seeing this topic, I've seen only a blacked out line on my screen. I still can't see the topic in the non-av f
27 Post contains images francoflier : Did A.net de-localize its servers to China, by any chance?
28 flymia : Same thing here! Black line, if I click a different topic it sends me here.
29 mham001 : It's tied to the Post a Picture of Significant Other thread. I read speculation by a mod that Chinese hackers have infiltrated. It would be interestin
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