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Let's Talk Architecture: The Shard In London!  
User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10884 posts, RR: 37
Posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 5610 times:

The Shard, the controversial novelty skyscraper in London, was designed by Renzo Piano.

This skyscraper was in his books for many years. I could see postings of the Shard drawings on the walls of Renzo Piano architecture studio at street level on the Rue des Archives in the historical neighborhood of Le Marais in Paris. This was many years ago.

Renzo Piano first became famous for the construction of the Pompidou Center in Paris together with architect (Sir) Richard Rogers. The Pompidou Center, completed in 1977 houses the National Museum of Modern Art in Paris. It had many detractors to the point of creating a scandal fbecause of this new construction in that most historic part of Paris named Le Marais.

This is the first I knew about Renzo Piano.

http://www.evaway.fr/s3/evawayus/pho...-29-63-84-1C-0B-9C-7D-06-CC-5D.jpg

http://www.centrepompidou.fr/Pompido...FE?OpenDocument&sessionM=3.1.3&L=2

Renzo Piano also won the international competition to build Kansai International Airport (KIX) on a specially created man made artificial island in the bay of Osaka.

I was very curious about the new Osaka airport at the time and flew into KIX on opening day in September 1994. The much talked about new airport had lots of similarities with the Pompidou center in its structure and aspects. I thought it was wonderful - a feat of civil engineering by all means. There was even a Air France Concorde that had flown in for the inaugural.

http://www.architectoo.com/the-conce...g-in-kansai-international-airport/

THE SHARD

This controversial 300 meters high pyramidal skyscraper is the newest much talked about construction designed by Renzo Piano. When I first saw the drawings in Paris I never thought this building would go up in the sky in London. It seems to have taken much time for Renzo Piano to have his construction authorized and there were some changes made to the original drawings I saw in Paris at the time.

Now The Shard is built and soaring high above near the London Bridge.

Quoting the BBC page:

Towering 95 storeys high into the sky over central London, the Shard is now western Europe's tallest building.

London has a spiky new steel and glass steeple - the Shard. This elongated pyramid is currently the tallest building in the European Union at 310m...

see the video here:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-18438604

The Shard website:
http://the-shard.com/

The same as I went up to the viewing gallery in the Burj Khalifa in Dubai I would like to go to the viewing gallery in The Shard as it seems to offer some fabulous views of the city and the Thames river.

My question is... it is probably very nice to be inside the building but from the outside? Did London really need to have another weird skyscraper after all the controversy that was created when Sir Norman Foster built The Gherkin?

Do you find The Shard beautiful or ugly?

I like skyscrapers, not all of them and I cannot tell yet as I haven't seen it in real life. It is probably a big topic of discussion in London now that it's built, like it or not, it is there now and people will have to get used to it.

So... what do you think? Was it a good or bad idea to build this skyscraper? Is it a good addition to the city of London?

Please discuss.

        


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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19389 posts, RR: 58
Reply 1, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 5592 times:

Quoting MadameConcorde (Thread starter):
Do you find The Shard beautiful or ugly?

Neither. It's mostly inoffensive, which is good. A simple pyramid is a good shape for a skyscraper. It's not overly ornate, nor is it completely boring. There are a few elements that make it stand out, but none that stick out like a sore thumb.

London needs to start building up. European capitals in general are way too horizontal, and this leads to sprawl. I'm glad to see this change.


User currently offlineSmithAir747 From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 1622 posts, RR: 28
Reply 2, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 5563 times:

I've been watching the construction of the Shard for years now.

I lived and studied in London (2004-2007); I attended King's College London, Guy's Hospital campus. The Shard is rising just across the street from the very same campus where I studied.

I miss living in London, and would not mind having a flat in the Shard or somewhere near it!  

To me, the Shard looks unique and beautiful in its own way.

SmithAir747



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User currently offlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7119 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 5521 times:

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User currently offlineaznmadsci From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 3658 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 5430 times:

The building looks stunning, but I still don't get the name. I guess to me "shard" has a connotation of something that has jagged, rough edges. This looks sleek and smooth.


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User currently offlinekngkyle From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 393 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 5426 times:
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I think it looks great. The architectural contrast between classical and contemporary is very attractive. It's one leg up the western cities will always have over the shiny all-glass skylines of Asia and the Middle East.

Photos:
http://www.marcusrichphotography.com/photos/i-TgKFXrS/0/L/i-TgKFXrS-L.jpg
http://constructionchest.smugmug.com/photos/i-QVChLD6/0/X3/i-QVChLD6-X3.jpg


User currently offlinezkojq From New Zealand, joined Sep 2011, 1140 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 5391 times:

I really like it. It looks fascinating and so intricate from each angle, certainly not your average tall rectangular skyscraper. It seems to 'stand upright' rather than 'tower over' its surroundings. The pyramid like shape should help reduce the amount of shadows at ground level (one thing I do hate about skyscrapers is all the shadows they create). I think that The Shard should be a great addition to the city of London. That said, I'm rather sceptical of the 'vertical town' claims. I guess time will tell. And I hate its name; 'The Shard' sounds terrible.


The Shard by Nozahy, on Flickr



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User currently offline2707200X From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 8446 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 5368 times:

I like the design, the first supertall of London does break from the rather conservative skyline and I think in an odd way it does work. It does stand out well in my view. Other interesting building include the Heron Tower and Broadgate Tower.


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User currently offlineha763 From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 3634 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 5341 times:
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Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 8):
A little bit of North Korea in London, Kim would be proud.

I think it looks more like an updated version of the Transamerica Pyramid in San Francisco than that monstrosity in North Korea


User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19389 posts, RR: 58
Reply 9, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 5320 times:

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 8):
A little bit of North Korea in London, Kim would be proud.

The comparison occurred to me, too. But the completed shard looks nothing like the Mother Ship Hotel in Pyongyang. Under construction, the similarities were more obvious.


User currently offlineAirPacific747 From Denmark, joined May 2008, 2373 posts, RR: 21
Reply 10, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 5278 times:

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 8):

A little bit of North Korea in London, Kim would be proud.

I was thinking the exact same thing...


User currently offlineBraybuddy From Ireland, joined Aug 2004, 5633 posts, RR: 32
Reply 11, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 5247 times:

While it's a smart-looking building, it's a pity that it's in such a central location. It's shame that London hasn't confined its skyscrapers to a location outside the city centre, much like in Paris. I know it's for commercial reasons, but very tall buildings block out a lot of daylight, and London is such a beautiful and historic city it's terrible to see it go down this road. Mega skyscrapers look great when they're built in isolation, like the Burj Khalifa in Dubai.

User currently offlinesignol From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2007, 2992 posts, RR: 8
Reply 12, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 5224 times:

Quoting aznmadsci (Reply 4):
I guess to me "shard" has a connotation of something that has jagged, rough edges

The name "Shard" comes from a "piece of broken glass". It does look like a large triangle of glass, with some pointy bits (not many) besides the tip.

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User currently offlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7119 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 5199 times:

Quoting Braybuddy (Reply 12):
I know it's for commercial reasons, but very tall buildings block out a lot of daylight, and London is such a beautiful and historic city it's terrible to see it go down this road.

The part of London where it's been built was in need of regeneration.


User currently offlineBraybuddy From Ireland, joined Aug 2004, 5633 posts, RR: 32
Reply 14, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 5165 times:

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 14):
The part of London where it's been built was in need of regeneration.

Fine, but that can easily done with buildings more in proportion with the surroundings. It's still pretty central, and a stone's throw form the Thames, and it's easy to see how similar sized buildings could mushroom around it, unless the planners put their foot down.

There doesn't seem to be any overall plan for the city, unforuntately, and it's easy to see how, say in 50 years' time, London could be crammed with buildings of equal -- or greater -- height, losing it's character completely.


User currently offlinePs76 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 5162 times:

Hi!

Thanks for asking and this is just my personal opinion but I don't like it at all. It reminds me so much of this hideous hotel I've seen pictures of in Pnoygyang (sp?), North Korea.



I like many of the modern buildings in London like the Gherkin but the Shard is not really to my taste.

Many thanks,

Pierre


User currently offlineFlighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 8403 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 5101 times:

Absolutely horrible. I thought British people had gone against brutalist structures. Apparently not. The way it squashes a great city is ridiculous, awful.

User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11611 posts, RR: 60
Reply 17, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 4999 times:

There is nothing brutalist about the shard, totally different design language.

The Shard is quite special to me, it's what drew me into a career in architecture. Many years ago I was on a school trip to The Tate in London (2003/4 IIRC), which really didn't do much for me, so I browsed the bookshop looking for something exciting and found a publication on new and upcoming London architecture. The Shard's concept renderings captured my imagination with what an intervention can do to the viewer, and from there I looking into the various sub-disciplines and chose landscape architecture, which has ultimately lead to airport design. So I have Renzo Piano to thank.


Dan  



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User currently offlinefrancoflier From France, joined Oct 2001, 3736 posts, RR: 11
Reply 18, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 4997 times:

I like the way London is introducing modern architecture which boldly contrasts against the conservative historic style of the city.

Somehow it works and helps make of London an avantgardist city transitioning to the 21st century, unlike many European cities which fiercely oppose any sort of modern buildings or towers and prefer to turn themselves into museum towns stuck in their once shiny history... *cough*Paris*cough*



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19389 posts, RR: 58
Reply 19, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 4985 times:

Quoting Braybuddy (Reply 12):

While it's a smart-looking building, it's a pity that it's in such a central location. It's shame that London hasn't confined its skyscrapers to a location outside the city centre, much like in Paris.

But that completely obviates the purpose of a skyscraper. The purpose of a skyscraper is to increase the amount of available real estate in a given area of city. It allows a city to increase density while minimizing lateral sprawl, which has environmentally favorable implications. Skyscrapers need to be near major transport options, particularly public transport, because it is not feasible to provide parking for all of the private cars that would be required without this. They also need to be located centrally because the number of people working in them will come from all over the region.

Skyscrapers serve a functional need; they aren't simply built for decoration.

Quoting Braybuddy (Reply 15):
There doesn't seem to be any overall plan for the city, unforuntately, and it's easy to see how, say in 50 years' time, London could be crammed with buildings of equal -- or greater -- height, losing it's character completely.

If London wants to continue to be a major world economic center, those buildings will be necessary.


User currently offlineBraybuddy From Ireland, joined Aug 2004, 5633 posts, RR: 32
Reply 20, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 4881 times:

Quoting francoflier (Reply 19):
Somehow it works and helps make of London an avantgardist city transitioning to the 21st century, unlike many European cities which fiercely oppose any sort of modern buildings or towers and prefer to turn themselves into museum towns stuck in their once shiny history... *cough*Paris*cough

Sure . . . remember Le Corbusier's plans to raze an area north of the Seine, including the Marais, and replace it with rows of 60-storey buildings built on a grid? That would have been avant-garde and forward looking at the time! Wouldn't it be forward-looking to bulldoze central Rome and build a heap of concrete and glass instead?

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 20):
Skyscrapers need to be near major transport options, particularly public transport, because it is not feasible to provide parking for all of the private cars that would be required without this.

For sure, but in a city of London's size with its extensive transport network there's no need to destroy what's left of the city's skyline. For a whle it looked like all the new tall buildings in the city were going up in the Docklands area, which I would have thought ideal, particularly with all its new infrastruture.


User currently offlinefrancoflier From France, joined Oct 2001, 3736 posts, RR: 11
Reply 21, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 4828 times:

Quoting Braybuddy (Reply 21):
Sure . . . remember Le Corbusier's plans to raze an area north of the Seine, including the Marais, and replace it with rows of 60-storey buildings built on a grid?

Well there's an art to it. I don't know how building rows after rows of concrete blocks was ever considered tasteful architecture, even back then. And to be honest, it was more of a way to cheaply and quickly house thousands of inhabitants.

Urban planning and architecture has gone some way since, and there have been examples of modern buildings well and perennially integrated inside classic cities.
Not all of Paris is made of nice Haussmanian buildings and not all of Rome is made of historical buildings or sites. There are many areas made of 40 or 50 years old buildings and warehouses falling to pieces and looking less than pretty which could do with some urbanization which would be, by definition, modern. A tall tower is no less shocking, if well designed, than a low building. The only thing is that since you'll see it from everywhere, you absolutely have to get it right!...
And then, there is no escaping the fact that as cars get less and less popular in cities due increasing costs, pollution and traffic issues, more and more people will want to be living downtown.

Compact cities with high density population make for efficient cities, but they have to be planned well.



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User currently offlinejetblast From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 1231 posts, RR: 10
Reply 22, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 4790 times:

I know some people were calling for a redesign of the Shard but I would much rather see one of its neighbor...

 

I'm happy to see some regeneration anywhere in the city, and Southwark is a lot better than it used to be. I look forward to seeing the positive impact this building will have. While certainly not as glorious as the Palace of Westminster or nearby Tower Bridge it has an impact of its own.



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User currently offlinerampart From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 3103 posts, RR: 6
Reply 23, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 4773 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 1):
London needs to start building up. European capitals in general are way too horizontal, and this leads to sprawl. I'm glad to see this change.
Quoting Braybuddy (Reply 12):
While it's a smart-looking building, it's a pity that it's in such a central location. It's shame that London hasn't confined its skyscrapers to a location outside the city centre, much like in Paris. I know it's for commercial reasons, but very tall buildings block out a lot of daylight, and London is such a beautiful and historic city it's terrible to see it go down this road

Do I recall that London once had a planning regulation to keep buildings below a certain height in it's historic center, allowing tall buildings in new developed areas like the Docklands? Was it sort of an agreement rather than a regulation?

I do like the shape of the building, but seeing it there next to the Tower Bridge was jarring. I agree that the name of it is less than pleasing, I thought "The Shard" was a somewhat joking nickname for it, when in fact that's its official name. Sounds harsh, or broken. I might have suggested "The Spar" (a type of sharp crystal, or a tall mast).

-Rampart


User currently offlinepetertenthije From Netherlands, joined Jul 2001, 3353 posts, RR: 12
Reply 24, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 4766 times:

Quoting rampart (Reply 24):
Do I recall that London once had a planning regulation to keep buildings below a certain height in it's historic center, allowing tall buildings in new developed areas like the Docklands?

Close, but not quite. London has regulated certain sightlines that can not be changed. So for several locations there is a rule that you must see a certain landmark(s). Outside these sightlines pretty much anything goes.

The Shard has been build just North of Guy's hospital (see photo in reply 23). Would it be possible to build another three Shards? One East, one South and one West of Guy's? Anything that will hide that eye-sore gets my vote.



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25 rampart : That's it, thanks for the refresher. -Rampart
26 Flighty : Now THAT is brutalism. But I don't find it ugly. Glass buildings are supposed to be graceful. I suppose I'll withdraw. Shard has an interesting look.
27 Ken777 : It is a creative version of the Transamerica design. I think it will take some years before we know if it is an achievement or an eyesore. But I'll gi
28 Post contains images Rara : As opposed to what, Hong Kong? Urban sprawl is nowhere as bad as in America, and most of the large cities there have skylines..
29 Post contains images jetblast : It's bleeding hideous in person...all that concrete and the constant rain in London leads to a lot of dirt streaking down parts of the building and i
30 babybus : As a Londoner I see this building almost every day. I think it's great. It's a big thumbs up for the south Thames area as all the new skyscrapers tend
31 shamrock350 : Guys Hospital is getting a re-cladding at the moment, I did see some renders somewhere not too long ago and unfortunately it looked even worse! As fo
32 Post contains images jetblast : Didn't think that was possible. Can't wait to see it and have a good vomit
33 Post contains links and images kngkyle : No way! It's certainly nothing great, but its definitely an improvement:
34 SmithAir747 : This thread (like any thread about London) is making me really homesick for London, my home from 2004-2007! Guy's Hospital Tower (yes, some say it's L
35 Post contains images Bill142 : And that building now looks like this, amazingly.
36 Post contains links and images rampart : Ah, so much better! Someone needs to post of picture of the whole Pyongyang skyline including this hotel. The dominance of this structure adds to its
37 francoflier : It would be a fantastic experience to stay in the Ryugyong hotel. It will most probably be empty most of the time apart from government officials wini
38 Post contains images fridgmus : I was last in London in 1982 and thought it was a beautiful city. Loved the architecture. I think The Shard compliments London! Not like that building
39 Post contains links and images MadameConcorde : I do not like the "Gherkin". Sir Norman Foster (Lord Foster of Thames Bank) is certainly one of today's most famous architects but I will never under
40 AirPacific747 : I quite like the Gherkin.. and I also like the Millau bridge.. tried driving across the bridge a few years ago.. very cool!
41 Post contains links shamrock350 : Now that does look good, clearly the idea is make it complement the Shard and its under construction neighbour 'The Place' but I think that's one of
42 Post contains links and images Braybuddy : Lipstick on a pig is still a pig . . . WOW! Now that is some transformation! While the Shard is a fine looking building, it's way out of scale for it
43 Post contains links and images MadameConcorde : Latest Shard news! The Shard to open for business... Tomorrow 5 July with a spectacular Laser show! I hope some of you can be there and take pictures/
44 Post contains links AirPacific747 : Here's a 360 degree view from the top of the building.. beautiful! http://www.the-shard.com/views/360.html
45 Post contains links and images MadameConcorde : Great find and a great view indeed! It will be wonderful to be up there in the viewing gallery looking all around and probably seeing airplanes comin
46 Post contains images AirPacific747 : Credits to my dad
47 kiwirob : So you tired driving over, what stopped you from completing it? Did you get scared in the middle and turn back?
48 Post contains images AirPacific747 : Well I tried and I succeded.. So I went back in the other direction after I had crossed the bridge once
49 Max Q : Is that hotel in North Korea actually occupied ? Looks unfinished.
50 Post contains links and images MadameConcorde : It's today... It's The Shard! I hope some of you will be there to attend the Shard inauguration laser show. The Shard to be unveiled with spectacular
51 LOWS : No, it was stopped in the early 1990s when N. Korea was hit by a major famine. Now some Egyptians are involved somehow. I think the same group who bu
52 na : Looks fine to me. A pyramid shape is inoffensive and it looks much better than most highrises in London, which are just boring. So my town Frankfurt i
53 Post contains links and images MadameConcorde : The Shard was 95% built off Qatari financing. It is the Qatar Prime MInister Hamad bin Jassim bin Jaber Al Thani who will inaugurate the building toni
54 Post contains links and images MadameConcorde : Latest update for those who are interested: The Shard inauguration laser show will be shown live on the Shard website here on this page: http://the-sh
55 na : Starts 10.15, which according to my clock ist still 16minutes away. That huge Facebook window is annoying. Did the Qatar owner buy a lot of FB stocks
56 Post contains images MadameConcorde : I forgot it was British Standard Time. I did not realize I was one hour early when I posted the link. As to the Amir of Qatar owning a part of Fb not
57 AirPacific747 : That's it?! 3,5 minutes?! No fireworks??
58 na : What, that was it? Very short and anything but spectacular. Different colours and some lasers moving around randomly. Quite pathetic for something ann
59 Post contains images MadameConcorde : Waiting to see if there is anything else! I thought they were going to have Sheikh's speeches, the Qatar Prime Minister (probably another one from th
60 Post contains images AirPacific747 : Well done I could not recognize the music but it fit the occasion well. By the way, you could have double clicked the video frame for a full screen v
61 Post contains links and images MadameConcorde : I am on their twitter page - some are saying the Shard inauguration is an epic failure. Maybe this is not the end yet and they will have more? the off
62 757MDE : Nope, but being worked on. I was in Pyongyang in May and they said they hope it may be open in two years time... but that it was not sure. Indeed. Or
63 Max Q : Amazing, maybe they could give it to the 'dear leader...' Do you know how long it has been 'under construction ?'
64 Post contains images zkojq : I thought that it was the dear leader who invented cell-phones? Credit to the Ryugyong Hotel's designers - it looks pretty cool (in the wikipedia pho
65 Post contains links and images shamrock350 : I went down to have a look at the laser light display and it was a bit disappointing, it was the same colours on a loop with three or four lasers poin
66 Post contains links and images MadameConcorde : Thank you very much for posting your pictures and getting the thread back on topic. London and the Shard. This is a picture gallery of what I call th
67 SmithAir747 : I have already received the email announcement for tickets (I registered to receive it). I have been wanting to return to London ever since I graduate
68 757MDE : As far as I know it started in 1987 and was stopped in the very late 80s or early 90s because of the famine, the Soviet Union fall and all that. It r
69 tupolevtu154 : I LOVE this picture! That's a great sense of humour!
70 Post contains links and images MadameConcorde : A beautiful picture gallery from "official" Facebook Shard page where you can see pictures of the inside. Quite some nice quarters with beautiful airy
71 Post contains images NAV20 : Good lively thread, MadameConcorde, well done! It's the ownership thing that bothers me, though. I was professionally involved in both the beginnings
72 Post contains images MadameConcorde : I finally got to see and admire the Shard in person and in the real world. Amazing building I must say. It is different every side you look. I will ha
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