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Let's Talk Architecture: The Shard In London!  
User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10895 posts, RR: 37
Posted (2 years 3 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 5705 times:

The Shard, the controversial novelty skyscraper in London, was designed by Renzo Piano.

This skyscraper was in his books for many years. I could see postings of the Shard drawings on the walls of Renzo Piano architecture studio at street level on the Rue des Archives in the historical neighborhood of Le Marais in Paris. This was many years ago.

Renzo Piano first became famous for the construction of the Pompidou Center in Paris together with architect (Sir) Richard Rogers. The Pompidou Center, completed in 1977 houses the National Museum of Modern Art in Paris. It had many detractors to the point of creating a scandal fbecause of this new construction in that most historic part of Paris named Le Marais.

This is the first I knew about Renzo Piano.

http://www.evaway.fr/s3/evawayus/pho...-29-63-84-1C-0B-9C-7D-06-CC-5D.jpg

http://www.centrepompidou.fr/Pompido...FE?OpenDocument&sessionM=3.1.3&L=2

Renzo Piano also won the international competition to build Kansai International Airport (KIX) on a specially created man made artificial island in the bay of Osaka.

I was very curious about the new Osaka airport at the time and flew into KIX on opening day in September 1994. The much talked about new airport had lots of similarities with the Pompidou center in its structure and aspects. I thought it was wonderful - a feat of civil engineering by all means. There was even a Air France Concorde that had flown in for the inaugural.

http://www.architectoo.com/the-conce...g-in-kansai-international-airport/

THE SHARD

This controversial 300 meters high pyramidal skyscraper is the newest much talked about construction designed by Renzo Piano. When I first saw the drawings in Paris I never thought this building would go up in the sky in London. It seems to have taken much time for Renzo Piano to have his construction authorized and there were some changes made to the original drawings I saw in Paris at the time.

Now The Shard is built and soaring high above near the London Bridge.

Quoting the BBC page:

Towering 95 storeys high into the sky over central London, the Shard is now western Europe's tallest building.

London has a spiky new steel and glass steeple - the Shard. This elongated pyramid is currently the tallest building in the European Union at 310m...

see the video here:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-18438604

The Shard website:
http://the-shard.com/

The same as I went up to the viewing gallery in the Burj Khalifa in Dubai I would like to go to the viewing gallery in The Shard as it seems to offer some fabulous views of the city and the Thames river.

My question is... it is probably very nice to be inside the building but from the outside? Did London really need to have another weird skyscraper after all the controversy that was created when Sir Norman Foster built The Gherkin?

Do you find The Shard beautiful or ugly?

I like skyscrapers, not all of them and I cannot tell yet as I haven't seen it in real life. It is probably a big topic of discussion in London now that it's built, like it or not, it is there now and people will have to get used to it.

So... what do you think? Was it a good or bad idea to build this skyscraper? Is it a good addition to the city of London?

Please discuss.

        


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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19701 posts, RR: 58
Reply 1, posted (2 years 3 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 5687 times:

Quoting MadameConcorde (Thread starter):
Do you find The Shard beautiful or ugly?

Neither. It's mostly inoffensive, which is good. A simple pyramid is a good shape for a skyscraper. It's not overly ornate, nor is it completely boring. There are a few elements that make it stand out, but none that stick out like a sore thumb.

London needs to start building up. European capitals in general are way too horizontal, and this leads to sprawl. I'm glad to see this change.


User currently offlineSmithAir747 From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 1628 posts, RR: 28
Reply 2, posted (2 years 3 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 5658 times:

I've been watching the construction of the Shard for years now.

I lived and studied in London (2004-2007); I attended King's College London, Guy's Hospital campus. The Shard is rising just across the street from the very same campus where I studied.

I miss living in London, and would not mind having a flat in the Shard or somewhere near it!  

To me, the Shard looks unique and beautiful in its own way.

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User currently offlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7377 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (2 years 3 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 5616 times:

madame



User currently onlineaznmadsci From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 3667 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (2 years 3 months 5 days ago) and read 5525 times:

The building looks stunning, but I still don't get the name. I guess to me "shard" has a connotation of something that has jagged, rough edges. This looks sleek and smooth.


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User currently onlinekngkyle From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 404 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (2 years 3 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 5521 times:
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I think it looks great. The architectural contrast between classical and contemporary is very attractive. It's one leg up the western cities will always have over the shiny all-glass skylines of Asia and the Middle East.

Photos:
http://www.marcusrichphotography.com/photos/i-TgKFXrS/0/L/i-TgKFXrS-L.jpg
http://constructionchest.smugmug.com/photos/i-QVChLD6/0/X3/i-QVChLD6-X3.jpg


User currently offlinezkojq From New Zealand, joined Sep 2011, 1216 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (2 years 3 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 5486 times:

I really like it. It looks fascinating and so intricate from each angle, certainly not your average tall rectangular skyscraper. It seems to 'stand upright' rather than 'tower over' its surroundings. The pyramid like shape should help reduce the amount of shadows at ground level (one thing I do hate about skyscrapers is all the shadows they create). I think that The Shard should be a great addition to the city of London. That said, I'm rather sceptical of the 'vertical town' claims. I guess time will tell. And I hate its name; 'The Shard' sounds terrible.


The Shard by Nozahy, on Flickr



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User currently offline2707200X From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 8520 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (2 years 3 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 5463 times:

I like the design, the first supertall of London does break from the rather conservative skyline and I think in an odd way it does work. It does stand out well in my view. Other interesting building include the Heron Tower and Broadgate Tower.


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User currently onlineha763 From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 3659 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (2 years 3 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 5436 times:
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Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 8):
A little bit of North Korea in London, Kim would be proud.

I think it looks more like an updated version of the Transamerica Pyramid in San Francisco than that monstrosity in North Korea


User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19701 posts, RR: 58
Reply 9, posted (2 years 3 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 5415 times:

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 8):
A little bit of North Korea in London, Kim would be proud.

The comparison occurred to me, too. But the completed shard looks nothing like the Mother Ship Hotel in Pyongyang. Under construction, the similarities were more obvious.


User currently offlineAirPacific747 From Denmark, joined May 2008, 2407 posts, RR: 24
Reply 10, posted (2 years 3 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 5373 times:

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 8):

A little bit of North Korea in London, Kim would be proud.

I was thinking the exact same thing...


User currently offlineBraybuddy From Ireland, joined Aug 2004, 5711 posts, RR: 31
Reply 11, posted (2 years 3 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 5342 times:

While it's a smart-looking building, it's a pity that it's in such a central location. It's shame that London hasn't confined its skyscrapers to a location outside the city centre, much like in Paris. I know it's for commercial reasons, but very tall buildings block out a lot of daylight, and London is such a beautiful and historic city it's terrible to see it go down this road. Mega skyscrapers look great when they're built in isolation, like the Burj Khalifa in Dubai.

User currently offlinesignol From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2007, 3005 posts, RR: 8
Reply 12, posted (2 years 3 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 5319 times:

Quoting aznmadsci (Reply 4):
I guess to me "shard" has a connotation of something that has jagged, rough edges

The name "Shard" comes from a "piece of broken glass". It does look like a large triangle of glass, with some pointy bits (not many) besides the tip.

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User currently offlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7377 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (2 years 3 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 5294 times:

Quoting Braybuddy (Reply 12):
I know it's for commercial reasons, but very tall buildings block out a lot of daylight, and London is such a beautiful and historic city it's terrible to see it go down this road.

The part of London where it's been built was in need of regeneration.


User currently offlineBraybuddy From Ireland, joined Aug 2004, 5711 posts, RR: 31
Reply 14, posted (2 years 3 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 5260 times:

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 14):
The part of London where it's been built was in need of regeneration.

Fine, but that can easily done with buildings more in proportion with the surroundings. It's still pretty central, and a stone's throw form the Thames, and it's easy to see how similar sized buildings could mushroom around it, unless the planners put their foot down.

There doesn't seem to be any overall plan for the city, unforuntately, and it's easy to see how, say in 50 years' time, London could be crammed with buildings of equal -- or greater -- height, losing it's character completely.


User currently offlinePs76 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (2 years 3 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 5257 times:

Hi!

Thanks for asking and this is just my personal opinion but I don't like it at all. It reminds me so much of this hideous hotel I've seen pictures of in Pnoygyang (sp?), North Korea.



I like many of the modern buildings in London like the Gherkin but the Shard is not really to my taste.

Many thanks,

Pierre


User currently offlineFlighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 8538 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (2 years 3 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 5196 times:

Absolutely horrible. I thought British people had gone against brutalist structures. Apparently not. The way it squashes a great city is ridiculous, awful.

User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11655 posts, RR: 60
Reply 17, posted (2 years 3 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 5094 times:

There is nothing brutalist about the shard, totally different design language.

The Shard is quite special to me, it's what drew me into a career in architecture. Many years ago I was on a school trip to The Tate in London (2003/4 IIRC), which really didn't do much for me, so I browsed the bookshop looking for something exciting and found a publication on new and upcoming London architecture. The Shard's concept renderings captured my imagination with what an intervention can do to the viewer, and from there I looking into the various sub-disciplines and chose landscape architecture, which has ultimately lead to airport design. So I have Renzo Piano to thank.


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User currently offlinefrancoflier From France, joined Oct 2001, 3761 posts, RR: 11
Reply 18, posted (2 years 3 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 5092 times:

I like the way London is introducing modern architecture which boldly contrasts against the conservative historic style of the city.

Somehow it works and helps make of London an avantgardist city transitioning to the 21st century, unlike many European cities which fiercely oppose any sort of modern buildings or towers and prefer to turn themselves into museum towns stuck in their once shiny history... *cough*Paris*cough*



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19701 posts, RR: 58
Reply 19, posted (2 years 3 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 5080 times:

Quoting Braybuddy (Reply 12):

While it's a smart-looking building, it's a pity that it's in such a central location. It's shame that London hasn't confined its skyscrapers to a location outside the city centre, much like in Paris.

But that completely obviates the purpose of a skyscraper. The purpose of a skyscraper is to increase the amount of available real estate in a given area of city. It allows a city to increase density while minimizing lateral sprawl, which has environmentally favorable implications. Skyscrapers need to be near major transport options, particularly public transport, because it is not feasible to provide parking for all of the private cars that would be required without this. They also need to be located centrally because the number of people working in them will come from all over the region.

Skyscrapers serve a functional need; they aren't simply built for decoration.

Quoting Braybuddy (Reply 15):
There doesn't seem to be any overall plan for the city, unforuntately, and it's easy to see how, say in 50 years' time, London could be crammed with buildings of equal -- or greater -- height, losing it's character completely.

If London wants to continue to be a major world economic center, those buildings will be necessary.


User currently offlineBraybuddy From Ireland, joined Aug 2004, 5711 posts, RR: 31
Reply 20, posted (2 years 3 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 4976 times:

Quoting francoflier (Reply 19):
Somehow it works and helps make of London an avantgardist city transitioning to the 21st century, unlike many European cities which fiercely oppose any sort of modern buildings or towers and prefer to turn themselves into museum towns stuck in their once shiny history... *cough*Paris*cough

Sure . . . remember Le Corbusier's plans to raze an area north of the Seine, including the Marais, and replace it with rows of 60-storey buildings built on a grid? That would have been avant-garde and forward looking at the time! Wouldn't it be forward-looking to bulldoze central Rome and build a heap of concrete and glass instead?

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 20):
Skyscrapers need to be near major transport options, particularly public transport, because it is not feasible to provide parking for all of the private cars that would be required without this.

For sure, but in a city of London's size with its extensive transport network there's no need to destroy what's left of the city's skyline. For a whle it looked like all the new tall buildings in the city were going up in the Docklands area, which I would have thought ideal, particularly with all its new infrastruture.


User currently offlinefrancoflier From France, joined Oct 2001, 3761 posts, RR: 11
Reply 21, posted (2 years 3 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 4923 times:

Quoting Braybuddy (Reply 21):
Sure . . . remember Le Corbusier's plans to raze an area north of the Seine, including the Marais, and replace it with rows of 60-storey buildings built on a grid?

Well there's an art to it. I don't know how building rows after rows of concrete blocks was ever considered tasteful architecture, even back then. And to be honest, it was more of a way to cheaply and quickly house thousands of inhabitants.

Urban planning and architecture has gone some way since, and there have been examples of modern buildings well and perennially integrated inside classic cities.
Not all of Paris is made of nice Haussmanian buildings and not all of Rome is made of historical buildings or sites. There are many areas made of 40 or 50 years old buildings and warehouses falling to pieces and looking less than pretty which could do with some urbanization which would be, by definition, modern. A tall tower is no less shocking, if well designed, than a low building. The only thing is that since you'll see it from everywhere, you absolutely have to get it right!...
And then, there is no escaping the fact that as cars get less and less popular in cities due increasing costs, pollution and traffic issues, more and more people will want to be living downtown.

Compact cities with high density population make for efficient cities, but they have to be planned well.



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User currently onlinejetblast From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 1231 posts, RR: 10
Reply 22, posted (2 years 3 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 4885 times:

I know some people were calling for a redesign of the Shard but I would much rather see one of its neighbor...

 

I'm happy to see some regeneration anywhere in the city, and Southwark is a lot better than it used to be. I look forward to seeing the positive impact this building will have. While certainly not as glorious as the Palace of Westminster or nearby Tower Bridge it has an impact of its own.



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User currently offlinerampart From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 3138 posts, RR: 6
Reply 23, posted (2 years 3 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 4868 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 1):
London needs to start building up. European capitals in general are way too horizontal, and this leads to sprawl. I'm glad to see this change.
Quoting Braybuddy (Reply 12):
While it's a smart-looking building, it's a pity that it's in such a central location. It's shame that London hasn't confined its skyscrapers to a location outside the city centre, much like in Paris. I know it's for commercial reasons, but very tall buildings block out a lot of daylight, and London is such a beautiful and historic city it's terrible to see it go down this road

Do I recall that London once had a planning regulation to keep buildings below a certain height in it's historic center, allowing tall buildings in new developed areas like the Docklands? Was it sort of an agreement rather than a regulation?

I do like the shape of the building, but seeing it there next to the Tower Bridge was jarring. I agree that the name of it is less than pleasing, I thought "The Shard" was a somewhat joking nickname for it, when in fact that's its official name. Sounds harsh, or broken. I might have suggested "The Spar" (a type of sharp crystal, or a tall mast).

-Rampart


User currently offlinepetertenthije From Netherlands, joined Jul 2001, 3369 posts, RR: 12
Reply 24, posted (2 years 3 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 4861 times:

Quoting rampart (Reply 24):
Do I recall that London once had a planning regulation to keep buildings below a certain height in it's historic center, allowing tall buildings in new developed areas like the Docklands?

Close, but not quite. London has regulated certain sightlines that can not be changed. So for several locations there is a rule that you must see a certain landmark(s). Outside these sightlines pretty much anything goes.

The Shard has been build just North of Guy's hospital (see photo in reply 23). Would it be possible to build another three Shards? One East, one South and one West of Guy's? Anything that will hide that eye-sore gets my vote.



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User currently offlinerampart From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 3138 posts, RR: 6
Reply 25, posted (2 years 3 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 4918 times:

Quoting petertenthije (Reply 25):
Close, but not quite. London has regulated certain sightlines that can not be changed. So for several locations there is a rule that you must see a certain landmark(s). Outside these sightlines pretty much anything goes.

That's it, thanks for the refresher.

-Rampart


User currently offlineFlighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 8538 posts, RR: 2
Reply 26, posted (2 years 3 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 4935 times:

Quoting jetblast (Reply 23):
I know some people were calling for a redesign of the Shard but I would much rather see one of its neighbor...

Now THAT is brutalism. But I don't find it ugly.

Glass buildings are supposed to be graceful. I suppose I'll withdraw. Shard has an interesting look. Kind of shocking. But, the WTC in New York would have been equally if not more shocking, back in the day.


User currently offlineKen777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 8269 posts, RR: 8
Reply 27, posted (2 years 3 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4932 times:

It is a creative version of the Transamerica design.

I think it will take some years before we know if it is an achievement or an eyesore. But I'll give it a chance.


User currently offlineRara From Germany, joined Jan 2007, 2088 posts, RR: 2
Reply 28, posted (2 years 3 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 4882 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 1):
London needs to start building up. European capitals in general are way too horizontal, and this leads to sprawl.

As opposed to what, Hong Kong?   Urban sprawl is nowhere as bad as in America, and most of the large cities there have skylines..



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User currently onlinejetblast From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 1231 posts, RR: 10
Reply 29, posted (2 years 3 months 20 hours ago) and read 4784 times:

Quoting Flighty (Reply 26):
Now THAT is brutalism. But I don't find it ugly.

It's bleeding hideous in person...all that concrete and the constant rain in London leads to a lot of dirt streaking down parts of the building and it just looks wretched.

Although I know the time where this kind of architecture was pioneered has long passed, still one of the most beautiful buildings in London....



I guess such architecture being created today would be considered 'uncool' and not 'next-level' enough.



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User currently offlinebabybus From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 30, posted (2 years 3 months 10 hours ago) and read 4720 times:

As a Londoner I see this building almost every day. I think it's great. It's a big thumbs up for the south Thames area as all the new skyscrapers tend to go up only in the City.

There is something about it that draws the eye like no other building in London (apart from the Gherkin). Almost everyone I know was looking for every new floor to be finished.

I believe the deal was that the builders of the Shard had to undertake a renovation of London Bridge Station as well as p[art of their investment.


User currently offlineshamrock350 From Ireland, joined Mar 2005, 6338 posts, RR: 14
Reply 31, posted (2 years 3 months 7 hours ago) and read 4681 times:

Quoting jetblast (Reply 22):

I know some people were calling for a redesign of the Shard but I would much rather see one of its neighbor...

Guys Hospital is getting a re-cladding at the moment, I did see some renders somewhere not too long ago and unfortunately it looked even worse!

As for the Shard, I love it! I commute though London Bridge quite a lot and during it's construction I would walk around to see its progress before catching my train. Such a great addition to the skyline.


User currently onlinejetblast From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 1231 posts, RR: 10
Reply 32, posted (2 years 3 months 7 hours ago) and read 4676 times:

Quoting shamrock350 (Reply 31):
Guys Hospital is getting a re-cladding at the moment, I did see some renders somewhere not too long ago and unfortunately it looked even worse!

Didn't think that was possible. Can't wait to see it and have a good vomit 



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User currently onlinekngkyle From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 404 posts, RR: 1
Reply 33, posted (2 years 3 months 1 hour ago) and read 4644 times:
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Quoting shamrock350 (Reply 31):
Guys Hospital is getting a re-cladding at the moment, I did see some renders somewhere not too long ago and unfortunately it looked even worse!

No way! It's certainly nothing great, but its definitely an improvement:
http://www.willfox.com/images/skyscrapers/guyshospital/reclad.jpg


User currently offlineSmithAir747 From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 1628 posts, RR: 28
Reply 34, posted (2 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 4599 times:

This thread (like any thread about London) is making me really homesick for London, my home from 2004-2007!

Guy's Hospital Tower (yes, some say it's London's ugliest building) is part of my alma mater, King's College London. On floors 27 and 28 of the tower were the home of the Department of Orthodontics and Craniofacial Development, where I began my studies in this field (a field dear to my heart).

The rest of the Guy's Hospital campus was also where I studied anatomy, embryology, etc. I loved its historic buildings, ranging from 1739 through the early 2000s in architectural styles.

When I was attending there, there was no Shard. What I remember was the Southwark Towers rising over the London Bridge station concourse, and there was another tall building (I forget its name) rising from the roadway and bus station area of London Bridge station.

I first heard about the Shard project before I moved to London in 2004, and I was quite excited. Even though I did not get to see it "born" in person whilst I was in London, I am now living the experience vicariously whilst I am out here in San Francisco.

Even though I will always fondly remember Guy's Hospital Tower as it was when I was there, I hope the recladding design will be an improvement on its aged, tired exterior.

Hopefully, before long, I will return at least for a visit to London and revisit my old haunts (King's College London Guy's Hospital campus) and visit the Shard myself.

I have a dream that I will someday move back to London (if my career in craniofacial research provides such an opportunity) and have my own flat or home of some type somewhere in central London. At multimillion-pound prices, the flats in the Shard itself are a bit out of reach, but I can dream! I could live high in the sky, overlooking my world-favourite city.

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User currently offlineBill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8451 posts, RR: 8
Reply 35, posted (2 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 4562 times:

Quoting Ps76 (Reply 15):

And that building now looks like this, amazingly.



User currently offlinerampart From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 3138 posts, RR: 6
Reply 36, posted (2 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 4507 times:

Quoting Bill142 (Reply 35):
And that building now looks like this, amazingly.



Ah, so much better!  
Someone needs to post of picture of the whole Pyongyang skyline including this hotel. The dominance of this structure adds to its eeriness. Here's link, http://www.hotelchatter.com/story/20...ts_%26quot%3BDoomed%26quot%3B_Life
Could be Coruscant.  

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User currently offlinefrancoflier From France, joined Oct 2001, 3761 posts, RR: 11
Reply 37, posted (2 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 4469 times:

It would be a fantastic experience to stay in the Ryugyong hotel.
It will most probably be empty most of the time apart from government officials wining and dining their concubines and agents keeping an eye on the few tourists staying there.

Dozens of deserted floors, disabled lifts.... I'm guessing none of the 5 revolving restaurants will be be revolving for long.

That is if it stays up. It was riddled with structural issues initially. I suppose the new investors saw to that...?

Unfortunately, I think this will just become the World's most expensive cellphone tower.



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User currently offlinefridgmus From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 1442 posts, RR: 10
Reply 38, posted (2 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 4441 times:
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I was last in London in 1982 and thought it was a beautiful city. Loved the architecture. I think The Shard compliments London!

Not like that building that looks like a damn butt plug! Is that the one called "The Gherkin"? Now that's just plain ugly!   



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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10895 posts, RR: 37
Reply 39, posted (2 years 2 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 4400 times:

Quoting fridgmus (Reply 38):

Not like that building that looks like a damn butt plug! Is that the one called "The Gherkin"? Now that's just plain ugly!

I do not like the "Gherkin".

Sir Norman Foster (Lord Foster of Thames Bank) is certainly one of today's most famous architects but I will never understand how/why London city planners allowed that "thing" to be built.

Millau Viaduct is fantastic
http://www.leviaducdemillau.com/en_index.php#/phototheque/

but the "Gherkin"?

 Wow!  



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User currently offlineAirPacific747 From Denmark, joined May 2008, 2407 posts, RR: 24
Reply 40, posted (2 years 2 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 4370 times:

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 39):
I do not like the "Gherkin".

I quite like the Gherkin..

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 39):
Millau Viaduct is fantastic

and I also like the Millau bridge.. tried driving across the bridge a few years ago.. very cool!


User currently offlineshamrock350 From Ireland, joined Mar 2005, 6338 posts, RR: 14
Reply 41, posted (2 years 2 months 4 weeks ago) and read 4278 times:

Quoting kngkyle (Reply 33):
No way! It's certainly nothing great, but its definitely an improvement:

Now that does look good, clearly the idea is make it complement the Shard and its under construction neighbour 'The Place' but I think that's one of the older renders, the design that was eventually approved looks something like this.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/16583702@N04/5605382709/

The blue around the tower is just horrible.


User currently offlineBraybuddy From Ireland, joined Aug 2004, 5711 posts, RR: 31
Reply 42, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 4248 times:

Quoting kngkyle (Reply 33):
No way! It's certainly nothing great, but its definitely an improvement

Lipstick on a pig is still a pig . . .

Quoting Bill142 (Reply 35):
And that building now looks like this, amazingly.

WOW! Now that is some transformation!

While the Shard is a fine looking building, it's way out of scale for its location. Modern architecture can look very well next to old, provided it's to scale. The architects of London's City Hall got it spot on:

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y193/Braybuddy/untitled3-6.jpg

Somehow I can't see the Shard being much (if it's even around then) on the tourist trail in 2112 . . .


User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10895 posts, RR: 37
Reply 43, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 3817 times:

Latest Shard news!

The Shard to open for business... Tomorrow 5 July with a spectacular Laser show!

I hope some of you can be there and take pictures/make videos... and please enjoy!!!!

  

All light on the night: laser show will announce 72-floor £450m Shard is open for business

A spectacular laser show projected onto the Shard next week will be the signal to Londoners that the tower is open for business.

This image released to the Standard shows how the night-time display will light up the city, with 12 lasers and 30 searchlights connecting the latest addition to the skyline with other buildings including the Gherkin, the Tower of London, St Paul’s Cathedral and Tate Modern.

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/londo...-is-open-for-business-7895934.html

I bet Renzo Piano will be a very happy man tomorrow!

I wish the Shard a long, happy and successful life in London with lots of visitors to its viewing galleries!!

  



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User currently offlineAirPacific747 From Denmark, joined May 2008, 2407 posts, RR: 24
Reply 44, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3782 times:

Here's a 360 degree view from the top of the building.. beautiful!

http://www.the-shard.com/views/360.html


User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10895 posts, RR: 37
Reply 45, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3762 times:

Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 44):
Here's a 360 degree view from the top of the building.. beautiful!

http://www.the-shard.com/views/360.html

Great find and a great view indeed!

It will be wonderful to be up there in the viewing gallery looking all around and probably seeing airplanes coming and going as many fly over London to land at Heathrow.

Does anyone have an idea of what is up with the Battersea Power Station refurbishment project?

There was a plan for another skyscraper to be a part of the new project that would create an equilibrium with the Shard.

Oh... and the Shard had its own hackers!

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/ap...shard-hacking-group-sneak-building

I wonder if the Burj Khalifa Franco-British base jump team will make an attempt at this new London landmark?

Editing:
Someone has already base jumped the Shard. He even filmed himself jumping off the skyscraper!
See the video on the Telegraph page:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/news...ting-off-The-Shard-four-times.html


    

[Edited 2012-07-04 12:34:59]


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User currently offlineAirPacific747 From Denmark, joined May 2008, 2407 posts, RR: 24
Reply 46, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3749 times:

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 45):
Great find and a great view indeed!

Credits to my dad  


User currently offlinekiwirob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7377 posts, RR: 5
Reply 47, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3742 times:

Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 40):
tried driving across the bridge a few years ago

So you tired driving over, what stopped you from completing it? Did you get scared in the middle and turn back?


User currently offlineAirPacific747 From Denmark, joined May 2008, 2407 posts, RR: 24
Reply 48, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3735 times:

Quoting kiwirob (Reply 47):

Well I tried and I succeded.. So I went back in the other direction after I had crossed the bridge once  


User currently offlineMax Q From United States of America, joined May 2001, 4521 posts, RR: 18
Reply 49, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3649 times:

Quoting Ps76 (Reply 15):


Thanks for asking and this is just my personal opinion but I don't like it at all. It reminds me so much of this hideous hotel I've seen pictures of in Pnoygyang (sp?), North Korea.



I like many of the modern buildings in London like the Gherkin but the Shard is not really to my taste.

Many thanks,

Pierre

Is that hotel in North Korea actually occupied ?



Looks unfinished.



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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10895 posts, RR: 37
Reply 50, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3633 times:

It's today...

It's The Shard!

I hope some of you will be there to attend the Shard inauguration laser show.

The Shard to be unveiled with spectacular laser show
Europe's tallest building will be officially unveiled in central London tonight, as the Shard is illuminated by a “spectacular” laser show for a grand public inauguration.

The Shard, which stands more than 1,000ft high, will be lit up by a selection of 12 lasers and 30 search lights beaming across the skyline.

Situation on the River Thames at Southwark, the building will be fully illuminated in the show, which will be accompanied by classical music.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/de...d-with-spectacular-laser-show.html

Congratulations Renzo Piano!

http://www.rpbw.com/

        



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User currently offlineLOWS From Austria, joined Oct 2011, 1153 posts, RR: 1
Reply 51, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3609 times:

Quoting Max Q (Reply 49):
Is that hotel in North Korea actually occupied ?

Looks unfinished.

No, it was stopped in the early 1990s when N. Korea was hit by a major famine.

Now some Egyptians are involved somehow. I think the same group who built the North Korean cell phone network.


User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10735 posts, RR: 9
Reply 52, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3596 times:

Looks fine to me. A pyramid shape is inoffensive and it looks much better than most highrises in London, which are just boring.

So my town Frankfurt is now in second place regarding the highest building in Europe.


User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10895 posts, RR: 37
Reply 53, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3595 times:

The Shard was 95% built off Qatari financing. It is the Qatar Prime MInister Hamad bin Jassim bin Jaber Al Thani who will inaugurate the building tonight along with one of the British Royals I forgot which one.

I suppose this will make them the skyscraper's owners and they will rent or sell the space to their fancy. I wonder who owns the leftover 5%?

Any idea if the Qatari also own the land on which the skyscraper was built and the Shard surroundings?

 

Two of the building's two-storey apartments, which have views beyond the M25, are expected to become the London homes of members of the Qatari royal family.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012...7/qatar-city-assets-shard-glencore

Do you think they will ever invite us for tea and a view?

It seems that Qatari are buying off any and all top scale real estate available in Europe.

 Wow!



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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10895 posts, RR: 37
Reply 54, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3517 times:

Latest update for those who are interested:

The Shard inauguration laser show will be shown live on the Shard website here on this page:

http://the-shard.com/inauguration/

It will be starting 5 minutes from now!

     



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User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10735 posts, RR: 9
Reply 55, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 3489 times:

Starts 10.15, which according to my clock ist still 16minutes away.

That huge Facebook window is annoying. Did the Qatar owner buy a lot of FB stocks perhaps?


User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10895 posts, RR: 37
Reply 56, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 3478 times:

Quoting na (Reply 55):
Starts 10.15, which according to my clock ist still 16minutes away.

I forgot it was British Standard Time. I did not realize I was one hour early when I posted the link.

  

As to the Amir of Qatar owning a part of Fb nothing would surprise me.

They buy off anything and everything of value they will find on the market. Europe seems to be their main target.

I don't like that window either. They should live stream in full screen and leave that Fb window to the Fb page.

 

Live feed has now started.



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User currently offlineAirPacific747 From Denmark, joined May 2008, 2407 posts, RR: 24
Reply 57, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 3471 times:

That's it?! 3,5 minutes?! No fireworks??

User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10735 posts, RR: 9
Reply 58, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 3463 times:

What, that was it? Very short and anything but spectacular. Different colours and some lasers moving around randomly. Quite pathetic for something announced as livestream.

User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10895 posts, RR: 37
Reply 59, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 3461 times:

Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 57):
That's it?! 3,5 minutes?! No fireworks??

Waiting to see if there is anything else!

I thought they were going to have Sheikh's speeches, the Qatar Prime Minister (probably another one from the Royal family) presentations of the building with Renzo Piano... All we got so far was the musical theme (I recognized Aaron Copeland Fanfare for the Common Man) with the short laser show and colours and that's it.

Now there is a sign on the screen that says
" The Shard Inauguration Live an on demand version of the stream will be available shortly "

shortly is when?

   Wow!  



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User currently offlineAirPacific747 From Denmark, joined May 2008, 2407 posts, RR: 24
Reply 60, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 3450 times:

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 59):
(I recognized Aaron Copeland Fanfare for the Common Man) with the short laser show and colours and that's it.

Well done   I could not recognize the music but it fit the occasion well.

By the way, you could have double clicked the video frame for a full screen video.. maybe if there is more live streaming, you can try it out..


User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10895 posts, RR: 37
Reply 61, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 3449 times:

I am on their twitter page - some are saying the Shard inauguration is an epic failure.

Maybe this is not the end yet and they will have more?

the official twitter is TheShardLondon

It says 5 minutes until the Laser show.

Wait and see!

  

I don't see anything else coming...

One of the tweets:

Peter Ride ‏@peter_ride
#shard laser people were standing up and down the street in South London with big expectations. all going home disappointed

 

Here's a replay of the "inauguration" on the BBC page

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-1873103...rce=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

another tweet

Lauren O'Callaghan ‏@lcocallaghan
So the #shard laser show was a let down for us south Londeners.Ironic considering the bloody thing is in south London!

[Edited 2012-07-05 14:57:18]


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User currently offline757MDE From Colombia, joined Sep 2004, 1753 posts, RR: 6
Reply 62, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 3377 times:

Quoting Max Q (Reply 49):
Is that hotel in North Korea actually occupied ?

Nope, but being worked on.
I was in Pyongyang in May and they said they hope it may be open in two years time... but that it was not sure.

Quoting LOWS (Reply 51):
No, it was stopped in the early 1990s when N. Korea was hit by a major famine.

Now some Egyptians are involved somehow. I think the same group who built the North Korean cell phone network.

Indeed. Orascom is their name.

----------

As the The Shard, I sort of like it. I think it's a nice addition to London.



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User currently offlineMax Q From United States of America, joined May 2001, 4521 posts, RR: 18
Reply 63, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 3368 times:

Quoting LOWS (Reply 51):

No, it was stopped in the early 1990s when N. Korea was hit by a major famine.

Now some Egyptians are involved somehow. I think the same group who built the North Korean cell phone network.

Amazing, maybe they could give it to the 'dear leader...'

Quoting 757MDE (Reply 62):

Nope, but being worked on.
I was in Pyongyang in May and they said they hope it may be open in two years time... but that it was not sur

Do you know how long it has been 'under construction ?'



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User currently offlinezkojq From New Zealand, joined Sep 2011, 1216 posts, RR: 1
Reply 64, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 3316 times:

Quoting LOWS (Reply 51):
I think the same group who built the North Korean cell phone network.
Quoting Max Q (Reply 63):
Amazing, maybe they could give it to the 'dear leader...'

I thought that it was the dear leader who invented cell-phones?   
Credit to the Ryugyong Hotel's designers - it looks pretty cool (in the wikipedia photo, at least). Pity it was build in North Korea and not somewhere where it will actually get occupied to capacity (with paying tourists).



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User currently offlineshamrock350 From Ireland, joined Mar 2005, 6338 posts, RR: 14
Reply 65, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 3297 times:

I went down to have a look at the laser light display and it was a bit disappointing, it was the same colours on a loop with three or four lasers pointing in the same direction over and over again for about an hour, there was no music played either. The crowds were unbelievable though, it was like New Years Eve with London Bridge closed to traffic, Tower Bridge absolutely packed and the streets lined with people giving it a real festival feel. I didn't expect to see so many people to be honest.

Here's a few pictures from my phone.

http://i1156.photobucket.com/albums/p578/Kev_Andrew/IMG_4757.jpg

http://i1156.photobucket.com/albums/p578/Kev_Andrew/IMG_4772.jpg

http://i1156.photobucket.com/albums/p578/Kev_Andrew/IMG_4835.jpg

Fireworks weren't possible unfortunately due to how close the The Shard is to Guys Hospital tower.

Shamrock350


User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10895 posts, RR: 37
Reply 66, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 3282 times:

Quoting shamrock350 (Reply 65):
I went down to have a look at the laser light display and it was a bit disappointing, it was the same colours on a loop with three or four lasers pointing in the same direction over and over again for about an hour, there was no music played either.

Thank you very much for posting your pictures and getting the thread back on topic. London and the Shard.

This is a picture gallery of what I call the 3 1/2 minute Shardfail laser show.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/pict...-show-in-London.html?frame=2269130

comparing with the Burj Khalifa opening - looking back on the spectacular laser, water, music and fireworks show in Dubai puts London to shame.

http://www.blinkx.com/watch-video/bu...t-1-of-3-hd/sFNWo8cCzmIcpRO4H4KYCA

Qatar owns 95% of the Shard including all the surrounding land. The Emirs have got Billions. They could have made the Shard inauguration a grand event if they had wanted to considering they've got no lack of money. Think that Qatar will host the next football World Cup!

I was really expecting an event a la Burj Khalifa in London for the Shard inauguration.
Most agree that they turned the Shard inauguration into an Epic Fail.

  

The View from the Shard viewing platform opens

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/de...-Shard-viewing-platform-opens.html

Book your tickets here:

http://www.theviewfromtheshard.com/

  



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User currently offlineSmithAir747 From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 1628 posts, RR: 28
Reply 67, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 3274 times:

I have already received the email announcement for tickets (I registered to receive it).

I have been wanting to return to London ever since I graduated King's College London in 2007. Since London was my 2nd home (2004-2007), the Shard is a perfect excuse to return. As soon as I know when I can return to London for a visit (at least), I plan to book myself a ticket.

After all, the Shard is right next to my alma mater!

SmithAir747



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User currently offline757MDE From Colombia, joined Sep 2004, 1753 posts, RR: 6
Reply 68, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 3240 times:

Quoting Max Q (Reply 63):
Do you know how long it has been 'under construction ?'

As far as I know it started in 1987 and was stopped in the very late 80s or early 90s because of the famine, the Soviet Union fall and all that. It remained that way until 2008 I think, when Orascom began working on it.

Quoting zkojq (Reply 64):
I thought that it was the dear leader who invented cell-phones?
Credit to the Ryugyong Hotel's designers - it looks pretty cool (in the wikipedia photo, at least). Pity it was build in North Korea and not somewhere where it will actually get occupied to capacity (with paying tourists).

The few hotels in Pyongyang actually do get occupied with paying tourists. I don't know if 100% or if they have good occupation year-round, but in the Yanggakdo where I was I saw many Malaysians, Germans, Britons and even a few Brazilians. The hotel did not look or "feel" empty at all.
As for the Ryugyong they have said it will not be just a hotel, but also have some office space and apartments or something like that.

-----------

Sorry for hijacking, I think it's interesting information.
Now back to The Shard and London!

[Edited 2012-07-06 17:03:53]


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User currently offlinetupolevtu154 From Germany, joined Aug 2004, 2185 posts, RR: 27
Reply 69, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 3173 times:

Quoting shamrock350 (Reply 65):
http://i1156.photobucket.com/albums/p578/Kev_Andrew/IMG_4772.jpg

I LOVE this picture! That's a great sense of humour!



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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10895 posts, RR: 37
Reply 70, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 3173 times:

A beautiful picture gallery from "official" Facebook Shard page where you can see pictures of the inside.

Quite some nice quarters with beautiful airy interiors. I can just imagine what the Qatari Sheikhs apartments must be like...

The views are incredible!

London Bridge Quarter
By The Shard London · Updated about an hour ago

http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?s...64398.60050.224103870987123&type=1

Probably some great views of passing airplanes too!

     



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User currently offlineNAV20 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 9909 posts, RR: 35
Reply 71, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 3038 times:

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 53):
The Shard was 95% built off Qatari financing. It is the Qatar Prime MInister Hamad bin Jassim bin Jaber Al Thani who will inaugurate the building tonight along with one of the British Royals I forgot which one.

I suppose this will make them the skyscraper's owners and they will rent or sell the space to their fancy. I wonder who owns the leftover 5%?

Good lively thread, MadameConcorde, well done!  

It's the ownership thing that bothers me, though. I was professionally involved in both the beginnings of the London office boom, and most of the later Melbourne one. My field (as a chartered surveyor and valuer) was mainly to assess market potential - basically to make sure, as far as possible, that the buildings would 'wash their faces' in financial terms. In essence, be worth more on completion than they had cost to build.

That remains an important issue. The reason being that such buildings are usually initially financed by 'developers' who borrow money from the banks; and once they are completed and let, they are usually sold off to 'investors' - very largely pension funds etc. Meaning, in effect, that the 'ordinary people' bear most of the risk of such investments; since the banks use ordinary people's bank deposits to finance them, and the pension funds use the same people's retirement savings to invest in them.

The Qatari government may well be funding the development of the Shard; but they'll almost certainly be using tax revenues etc. - or even borrowed money - to do so. And I'd very much doubt that they have any plans to continue as longterm owners. It's normal for the initial developers to sell off such properties (hopefully at a profit) once they're fully 'tenanted up.'

As to the Shard itself, it' looks so 'different' to the stuff I used to work on that I can't even guess at its future (financial) prospects. In my day the 'economic' size of a high-rise office building was around 55 storeys. That allowed for four 'rises' of lifts - lowrise, midrise, highrise, and skyrise. Going higher wasn't sensible for two reasons - more floors meant yet more 'rises' of lifts, which in turn meant less 'lettable floorspace' - and it was also likely to carry the additional disadvantage that people would have had to queue for lifts for an unacceptable period of time before reaching their workplace, or getting out to go home.

Of course, it was only a matter of time before someone realised that 'residents' usually leave for work before the office staff arrive - and return after they've left. Plus the fact that, relatively, there wouldn't be that many of them per square foot. So the addition of a couple of extra (fairly small) lifts would make it possible to add apartments higher up, arguably 'increasing the return.' That principle appears to have governed the design of the Shard.

However, there were (and remain) a couple of snags. The market for residential accommodation tends to be much more volatile than that for office space - much more vulnerable to 'downturns' than the office sector. And there proved to be an unexpected 'conflict' which substantially reduced the 'marketablilty' of such buildings (here in Melbourne anyway). Basically, business people didn't like sharing access with 'mere residents,' and the residents (who obviously had to pay high prices/rents) didn't overly fancy sharing the lift-lobbies/car parks with the hoi polloi either.

So, in commercial terms, few if any such buildings succeeded here - 'succeeding' meaning, in this case, paying a reasonable rate of return back to 'Joe Public,' who had funded them.

In addition, of course, the Shard designers opted for a 'pyramidal' design. Given its height, plus the lift problem, the designers probably had no option; unless they were going to fill say the bottom third of the building with liftshafts.  

But highrise space has always cost a helluva lot to build, per square foot. And, since height in buildings of this sort means higher rents, the leasing agents are going to have a nightmarish task with prospective office tenants. Each and every 'leasing prospect' will have to be told something like, "Well, if you want more floorspace, you'll either have to rent a lower floor, or rent space on two high floors. And yes, sorry about the sloping windows reducing useable floorspace; but that's the way the whole building was designed.......".

So we'll just have to wait and see whether the Shard is a commercial success - and all those 'ordinary people' get a decent return on their investment.

But I for one won't be holding my breath........  



[Edited 2012-07-09 02:35:15]


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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10895 posts, RR: 37
Reply 72, posted (2 years 2 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 2595 times:

I finally got to see and admire the Shard in person and in the real world.

Amazing building I must say. It is different every side you look. I will have lots of pictures though I am in the middle of moving and this is a hectic weekend so I will post later.

The building inside is still in construction. The tenants/renters and owners will not be able to move in until 1 February and that is also when they will open the viewing gallery to the public. I understand there will be another more fiesty inauguration around that time.

I had to do some gymnastics to get some of the pictures from ground to top - I walked from Waterloo station to find the best viewings. That was the best way. Some very lively streets around there.

London has a great atmosphere and so did Heathrow with the upcoming Olympics. Also got to see some really nice airplanes from my room with full panoramic views on 27R and the terminals and Towers.

Got to see Dear Old XH558 Avro Vulcan friend flying at Farnborough. That was a real treat!!!

I wish the weather would have been better. It was atrocious... windy and wet!!!!

The Shard is an awesome building... beautiful... though probably built in the wrong place.

              

[Edited 2012-07-15 23:21:59]


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