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Microsoft Becoming A Cool Company?  
User currently offlineQFA380 From Australia, joined Jul 2005, 2081 posts, RR: 1
Posted (2 years 4 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 2108 times:

We read it every day at the top of the non-av forum, and snicker to ourselves how someone (Johan?) could think other people thought Microsoft was a cool company.

It seems these days that every where I look they seem to be starting to live up to that. By no means do I mean that they've become perfect but it seems in a short amount of time they've started lining up their ducks.

Windows 8 has been in the works for a while now, and looks very nice. I'm very excited though I admit I haven't tried the beta. Anyone has have any opinions?
The Kinect they released last year has incredible applications and rather than what you'd expect Microsoft to do, locking it up, they've allowed developers to let their imaginations run wild.
Windows phone is an excellent platform that has a great deal of potential and I'll be considering one for my next phone.
There is Microsofts Smartglass they announced at E3 which looks very cool.
We're hearing rumours of a new Xbox 720 for next year.
The gaming community looks pretty happy with what went down games wise at E3.
Today they announced their new tablet, the Surface which (on first impressions) looks decent and unlikely to end up like the Zune.

The new metro interface has allowed them to reach an unprecedented level of device integration, providing the user a seamless experience on their console, computer, phone and tablet.

All seems like pretty incredible stuff. Anyone have any opinions? Disagreements? Things to add?

BTW, the 'A' word and Klaus are banned from this thread  

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User currently offlinemham001 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3681 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (2 years 4 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 2082 times:

If Bill Gates tried to control half the things Steve Jobs insisted upon controlling, there would be screams to have his head.

Perception is not reality.


User currently offlinealoges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8724 posts, RR: 43
Reply 2, posted (2 years 4 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 2077 times:

I don't think so. But then again, I don't consider Apple (or IKEA, Google and all others) a cool company either.


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User currently offlineBirdwatching From Germany, joined Sep 2003, 3823 posts, RR: 51
Reply 3, posted (2 years 4 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 2075 times:

Good thing you started the discussion again! After all, this is the big question the NonAv forum was created for, back on April 26, 2000 (who else remembers this?)

In those 12 years we've only discussed the question 4 times, so I think it is time again.

So, Is Microsoft A Cool Company Or Not? (by Christianbothe May 4 2000 in Non Aviation)
Why You Think Microsoft Is A Cool Company? (by TWA Dec 30 2000 in Non Aviation)
Is Microsoft A Cool Company? / Never Buy A Nissan? (by Birdwatching May 24 2006 in Non Aviation)
Why You Think Microsoft Is A Cool Company (by Nighthawk Jan 31 2008 in Non Aviation)

Now there's just one question left...
Why will you never buy a Nissan?

Soren   



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User currently offlinemt99 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 6609 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (2 years 4 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 2052 times:
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Quoting QFA380 (Thread starter):
By no means do I mean that they've become perfect but it seems in a short amount of time they've started lining up their ducks.

It certainly looks like they are trying to combine computers, xbox, tablets, phones into one ecosystem. It looks pretty cool. They whole "ecosystem" concept has a few years head start with the "A" company though.

So we will see, sometimes the second company at something is more successful than the first, and although its a few years late. Microsoft has a huge natural base of users that might make thing easier for them.

As long as Windows 8 does not crash, get slow, get viruses..



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User currently offlineRara From Germany, joined Jan 2007, 2111 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (2 years 4 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 2042 times:

Quoting QFA380 (Thread starter):
I'll be considering one

I think that's where the main problem of Windows Mobile lies.   Everybody "considers one", but I've yet to see an Android or iOS user actually buying it.

Quoting mham001 (Reply 1):
If Bill Gates tried to control half the things Steve Jobs insisted upon controlling, there would be screams to have his head.

Indeed. Standards have certainly gone down since the great "OMG Microsoft is so evil!!1" craze of the 1990s. In many ways, the software giants are now doing what Microsoft was suspected of doing back in the day, but was never able to pull off - either for lack of ability or for lack of evilness.  



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User currently offlinekngkyle From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 408 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (2 years 4 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 2039 times:
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Their Surface tablet looks promising. A tablet that has the full functionality of a laptop, which is the only kind I'd really be interested in. Not enough distinction between my phone and a regular tablet to warrant having both. A tablet that works as a laptop though... that I could find a use for.

[Edited 2012-06-19 08:14:24]

User currently offlinetugger From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 5670 posts, RR: 10
Reply 7, posted (2 years 4 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 2025 times:

Quoting kngkyle (Reply 6):
Their Surface tablet looks promising. A tablet that has the full functionality of a laptop, which is the only kind I'd really be interested in. Not enough distinction between my phone and a regular tablet to warrant having both. A tablet that works as a laptop though... that I could find a use for.

Well the king maker for the Surface tablet as it currently is presented will be industry and enterprise application. Other tablets have been made use of but really aren't in the same universe (no pun intended, but hey there it is!) as MS and Windows for business. And they are less concerned about a higher price.

I think that many, many businesses will utilize the Surface instead of any other tablet and that will help affirm its place. I also think that beyond what was offered yesterday another version should be created that slots in below the three shown and is fully integrated with the Xbox.

I will be very curious to see what the price points are.

Tugg

P.S. I don't think MS can ever be a "cool company" as long as Steve Ballmer is CEO. I mean just look at him   :

Sorry Steve....

Tugg

[Edited 2012-06-19 09:21:44]


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User currently offlineBraniff747SP From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 2997 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (2 years 4 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2007 times:

I have to give them credit with their new tablet; especially the new SmartCover-esque keyboard. If that piece works well, then I'll have to concede that it's fantastic. *shudders*  


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User currently offlinefr8mech From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 5489 posts, RR: 14
Reply 9, posted (2 years 4 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 1946 times:

Quoting kngkyle (Reply 6):
Their Surface tablet looks promising.

They just complicated the birthday gift I fully expect to recieve from my wife in October: iPad 2.

I like the looks of it, and what I've read of it. Of course, the price point they enter at and the technology/features that Microsoft comes up with will have a lot to do with my (wife's) decision.

Anyone see a release date?



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User currently offlinecaliatenza From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1577 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (2 years 4 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 1882 times:

Quoting Rara (Reply 5):

I think that's where the main problem of Windows Mobile lies. Everybody "considers one", but I've yet to see an Android or iOS user actually buying it.

I was an Android user and now i have a Windows Phone  . The Tiles seduced me  


User currently onlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39905 posts, RR: 75
Reply 11, posted (2 years 4 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 1877 times:

Microsoft is cooler than that Cupertino based company named after a fruit.


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User currently offlinecanoecarrier From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2841 posts, RR: 12
Reply 12, posted (2 years 4 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 1843 times:

Quoting QFA380 (Thread starter):
Windows 8 has been in the works for a while now, and looks very nice. I'm very excited though I admit I haven't tried the beta.

Windows 8 has a lot of promise. For those of you that haven't seen what Windows 8 is, here's a brief demo from MS:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Hq95vtoS28

Quoting QFA380 (Thread starter):
Today they announced their new tablet, the Surface which (on first impressions) looks decent and unlikely to end up like the Zune.

The Zune gets much bashed on tech sites, but it did include a HD radio, which at the time the iPod did not. It was a good device with poor integration into a store like Apple had. Funny how I now listen to FM radio on my iPod when it wasn't even an option when the Zune was released.

Quoting Rara (Reply 5):
I think that's where the main problem of Windows Mobile lies. Everybody "considers one", but I've yet to see an Android or iOS user actually buying it.

The Windows Phone is amazing. Granted I live in Seattle so a number of my friends work at MS and have them, but it is a great phone with a great mobile OS.

So, back on topic. About 5 years ago I started working 3 blocks from the MS Redmond campus. Until then I thought it wasn't a cool company. Probably thought about it something like IBM. But, my bike commute to work took me right through the heart of MS's campus everyday. It's a cool company. They have artificial turf soccer fields for their employees to use during their breaks, they have the absolute best "Bike to Work Day" giveaways in the entire Seattle area, and a fleet of shuttle buses for their employees (not contractors) to use so they don't have to drive. Those are just a few examples.

The Surface tablet may be one of the most important hardware creations to come out of MS since the XBox. If priced right it (as well as Amazon's Kindle Fire) will cut deep into the iPad sales.



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User currently offlineLOWS From Austria, joined Oct 2011, 1165 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (2 years 4 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 1700 times:

I long distance dated a guy who lived in SEA and works for Microsoft. Even most MS employees use Android or iOS phones...

User currently offlinemham001 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3681 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (2 years 4 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 1639 times:

Quoting LOWS (Reply 13):

I long distance dated a guy who lived in SEA and works for Microsoft. Even most MS employees use Android or iOS phones...

Why would that surprise you? Windows phones have not been out long.


User currently offlineelbandgeek From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 758 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (2 years 4 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1595 times:

Anyone who ever bashed the Zune never used one. I had two and they were better than any iPod I ever had. Now I have a Windows Phone, which essentially counts as my third Zune.

The fact of the matter is it's cool to hate Microsoft because the media has a hardon for Apple. TV writers use Macs so why would Windows EVER be portrayed in a good light?

The last few years Microsoft has come out with some really amazing stuff and people choose not to notice. When Windows 8 and Windows Phone 8 launch this fall they will have the single most complete ecosystem of any tech company. Phone, TV (via Xbox), and every screen in between, far beyond what Apple and Google have. Their entire consumer product line will be seamlessly integrated and have all the necessary services in house including games, music/videos, productivity, search, and just about everything anyone would need.

The last step for them is taking their image into their own hands. They rely on 3rd party OEMs in order to handle the volume of PCs there are in the world, but no matter how good Windows 7 is (and 8 will be...I'm using it now and it's REALLY good) people are going to blame them for the shoddy build of their 300 dollar Dell. The Surface, while set to piss off a lot of their OEM partners is a clear message to them that they need to step it up because their ruining Microsoft's reputation. It's the same reason they're investing in retail space, not to "copy" Apple but to actually make sure their products are displayed in the best light since you walk into a Best Buy and there's a table full of junky HPs next to the mini Apple store.

Now as for the Surface itself, I am very impressed. They knew if they were going to enter the tablet market themselves, they needed something to clearly push it beyond the iPad, not just match it (which is really the biggest mistake they made with Zune). They definitely delivered on that with the touch cover. The industrial design actually has a good hint of Zune legacy to it. One of the reasons I originally switched to Zune was because I personally prefer square angles as opposed to Apple's taped edges. It's an entirely superficial thing, but it made the difference for me.
So I'll definitely be getting one, although I'm not sure yet if I'll go for the RT or Pro version. In any case, once I have one and Verizon launches a WP8 Nokia for me to upgrade from my Trophy, I am going to be a very happy person.

[Edited 2012-06-20 11:38:13]

User currently offlineAirPacific747 From Denmark, joined May 2008, 2432 posts, RR: 24
Reply 16, posted (2 years 4 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 1555 times:

Windows Phone 8 just announced.. looks awesome!

But I think M$ is letting a lot of their customers down by not being able to offer WP8 to current devices.. I hope for the customers that WP 7.8 will be very very similar to WP8.

Both the Surface tablet and WP8 looks very good! I was thinking about buying a Lumia 900, but now I'd rather wait.

Quoting tugger (Reply 7):
P.S. I don't think MS can ever be a "cool company" as long as Steve Ballmer is CEO. I mean just look at him   :

Well, I think Joe Belfiore seems pretty cool though.. more so than Tim Cook  Wink

[Edited 2012-06-20 13:48:25]

User currently offlineelbandgeek From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 758 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (2 years 4 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 1536 times:

Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 16):
But I think M$ is letting a lot of their customers down by not being able to offer WP8 to current devices.. I hope for the customers that WP 7.8 will be very very similar to WP8.

It's really no different than the asterisks attached to new iOS releases on older devices. If anything, they're just being more honest about it by giving it a different version number. Most of the updates are hardware dependent anyway so the only real loss is natively coded apps, and even then they're encouraging developers not to go that route unless they absolutely have to (like with games, which may not run as well on older hardware anyway). Worst case scenario, older devices are getting updated at all which still beats the Android model of "we'll update it if we feel like"


User currently offlinetugger From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 5670 posts, RR: 10
Reply 18, posted (2 years 4 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 1528 times:

Quoting fr8mech (Reply 9):
They just complicated the birthday gift I fully expect to recieve from my wife in October:

I think the big unaswered question is what do they mean by "priced similar to other tablets"? THey had better be meaing the iPad and not any of the others as teh iPad is the only one that really matters. With that that means the price should be anywhere from $399 to $829 for the RT version and from ~$1,000 up to $2,100 (the Air's price) for the Pro version.

Quoting canoecarrier (Reply 12):
The Surface tablet may be one of the most important hardware creations to come out of MS since the XBox. If priced right it (as well as Amazon's Kindle Fire) will cut deep into the iPad sales.

I think it's biggest initial market will be business/enterprise/medical. But if they do it right it could also be big in the consumer market.

Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 16):
But I think M$ is letting a lot of their customers down by not being able to offer WP8 to current devices.. I hope for the customers that WP 7.8 will be very very similar to WP8.

I can understand why it can't be done (the hardware required is different and the kernel is too). Quite frankly I am impressed that they thought of the current market and created a new and separate update for it. I think it is smart and was very much needed but it wouldn't be the first time a company did neither (smart & needed).

Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 16):
Both the Surface tablet and WP8 looks very good! I was thinking about buying a Lumia 900, but now I'd rather wait.

And that is always the problem with these types of announcements.

Tugg



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User currently offlineAirPacific747 From Denmark, joined May 2008, 2432 posts, RR: 24
Reply 19, posted (2 years 4 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 1524 times:

Quoting elbandgeek (Reply 17):
Worst case scenario, older devices are getting updated at all which still beats the Android model of "we'll update it if we feel like"

True that.. what pissed me off about my Android phones and why I will never own one again.. way too fragmented.. I waited for Android 4.0 for my Galaxy Note, and waited and waited.. I gave up and sold it. I know this may be Samsungs fault, but this doesn't matter to me.. I just want an updated phone no matter who made the Android device.. yes I know you can root the phone and install a custom rom yourself, but I don't really want to go that far and risk bricking a phone... Android is just not my cup of tea.. I like WP much more.. and iOS too for that matter.

And no, I didn't like the Galaxy Nexus.. didn't like the design and the feel of the phone, so not an option..

Quoting tugger (Reply 18):
I can understand why it can't be done (the hardware required is different and the kernel is too). Quite frankly I am impressed that they thought of the current market and created a new and separate update for it. I think it is smart and was very much needed but it wouldn't be the first time a company did neither (smart & needed).

As long as there are not major visual differences between 7.8 and 8.0, then it's okay.

[Edited 2012-06-20 14:00:55]

User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21484 posts, RR: 53
Reply 20, posted (2 years 4 months 2 days ago) and read 1418 times:

The software mothership is starting to fire at its own hardware support fleet in an attempt to escape the changing winds in the computing market. Or at least it has announced upcoming hostilities in MS-typical vapourware style.

Difficult not to be reminded of their "Plays for Sure" platform which they first pushed to be adopted by multiple hardware vendors, before then shooting them down from behind when they embarked on their Zune strategy. I'm certain that none of their PC hardware partners will miss the parallels.

This is a desperate and late attempt and dubious to succeed, with a strategy based on four mutually incompatible OS platforms (Windows 8 on Intel full classic / Intel Metro and Windows RT on ARM rudimentary classic / ARM Metro) crammed into two mutually incompatible hardware platforms that nevertheless pretend to be one and the same and with the users being thrown back and forth between two disjointed user interfaces.

John Gruber has posted his analysis of the announcement and his views on Microsoft's likely reasoning behind it. It's well worth a read:
Surface: Between a Rock and a Hardware Place


User currently offlineelbandgeek From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 758 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (2 years 4 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 1332 times:

Klaus saying everything Microsoft does is wrong
Shocking


User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21484 posts, RR: 53
Reply 22, posted (2 years 4 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 1317 times:

Personal comments instead of actual arguments: Same old, same old.

User currently offlineAirPacific747 From Denmark, joined May 2008, 2432 posts, RR: 24
Reply 23, posted (2 years 4 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 1305 times:

Quoting Klaus (Reply 22):

But criticism of all other companies than Apple coming from you is just not very believeable.. Sorry, but you just seem too biased.. No matter how well you argue and how many sources you can back up your statements with, it just has to be taken with a grain of salt.

Before it was a problem that MS didn't provide its own hardware. Now apparently, it is a problem that they are providing their own hardware...?!


User currently offlineStuckInCA From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 1986 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (2 years 4 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1292 times:

Quoting Klaus (Reply 20):
John Gruber has posted his analysis of the announcement and his views on Microsoft's likely reasoning behind it. It's well worth a read:

That guy comes off as a serious blowhard. Early on he quotes himself in a past post to say "see, I was right!" even though his quote wasn't really providing any opinion that wasn't shared and stated by others at the time. Then at the end he throws out his prognostication that MS will buy Nokia, again something that's hardly an original thought. I look forward to his "see, I was right!" post.


25 elbandgeek : I won't the effort of a real argument because you will never listen to it anyway. What part of "no one here wants to hear your opinion" do you contin
26 Klaus : Looks like I'm the only one around here interested in the actual topic and its actual background. I think the matter of who's indulging in personal at
27 Ken777 : My wife owned a 75 Datsun 510. Not a bad car IMO. To make it worse, Apple will probably deliver the next generation iPad by then. And an iPhone5. Bil
28 StuckInCA : The blog post you want to discuss is bombastic and lacking any real technical discussion. What topic did you really want to discuss? "Incompatible" O
29 Post contains links Klaus : The main topic of this thread is Microsoft trying to reinvent itself, in the process resorting to all kinds of hyperbole, which actually isn't entire
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