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What The Hell Is Wrong With Kids These Days?  
User currently onlineGoldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 6003 posts, RR: 14
Posted (2 years 2 months 16 hours ago) and read 4757 times:

So I was looking through my twitter feed, and I come across a link to this donation pool to give a bus monitor a vacation. Fair enough, I suppose that she probably can't afford one. Then I saw the attached video.

Dude, seriously, WTF is wrong with some kids? With all of the anti-bullying stuff I see left and right lately, did it somehow miss these kids? No one should be treated like this. Nobody. Ever. Period. Especially one's elders.

Seriously, WTF?

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User currently offlineHOONS90 From Canada, joined Aug 2001, 3006 posts, RR: 52
Reply 1, posted (2 years 2 months 16 hours ago) and read 4717 times:
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I read the description first, and just couldn't bear to watch the video.

Hopefully Karen knows that there are thousands of people that support her versus the few vile scumbags that tormented her.



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User currently offlinedarthluke12694 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (2 years 2 months 15 hours ago) and read 4701 times:

Wow. That is crazy. And to think these are middle school kids! Wait until they get to high school. I just graduated from high school, and unfortunately I have seen things like this happen before (not as bad though). Not to bus monitors (we don't even have monitors), but to teachers. And you know what the bad thing is? Teachers just put up with it. Sometimes the teacher gives the student a referral, but it never does any good. And this is becoming all too common.

It's really sad how some students act. And it's not just verbally either. I've been in a class where a student set a trash can on fire, put a piece of paper on fire, put a condom on the teachers water bottle, throw something at her, an even curse a teacher out. And the students barely got punished, if at all. It's very messed up. The whole "punishment" system is all messed up. Punishments never do any good. They aren't severe enough. The "ultimate" punishment would be to have the student expelled from school. But guess what? Schools are afraid to do that, because it goes against their drop out rate. And if the rate gets too high (about 50 students in my school out of about 1700 students), the state comes in and takes over and the whole administration is at risk of getting fired.

I just think the whole education system is VERY messed up. It is RIDICULOUS how hard teachers have to work just to have one student pass their class, when the student doesn't even care to begin with. But guess what? If the student fails, it goes against the teachers record and also against the schools drop out record, because once a student fails a class, the chance of them dropping out rises significantly.

I'm glad that I am out of high school, and that I am going to college and that I will actually get to be with students that actually want to learn (or at least for the most part). For the most part, I took honors and AP classes, so I definitely didn't see all that I could have. But the few regular classes I did have, it was very different.....


User currently offline2707200X From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 8490 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (2 years 2 months 15 hours ago) and read 4685 times:

We don't just have kids bulling kids these day is seems now they bully parents, I saw at a 99 cent store about two years ago a seven or eight year old boy threaten out loud that if his mom did not buy cookies for him he would soil his pants in public and now a school staff member of the school is subjected to kid bullying. There is no excuse for bad behavior even in a bad economy but this is particularly grotesque. I must ask, what is going on at home?


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User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21552 posts, RR: 55
Reply 4, posted (2 years 2 months 15 hours ago) and read 4651 times:

Every kid who abused that woman (and that's what it is: abuse) should, at the very minimum, lose their bus-riding privileges. Make their parents drive them to school and pick them up at the end of the day. And if the parents can't spare the time, too damn bad - maybe then they can impress upon their kids how important it is to treat people with respect.

Nobody deserves to be treated like that simply for trying to do their job. And I'm glad to see that so much money has been raised in support of her.

-Mir



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19495 posts, RR: 58
Reply 5, posted (2 years 2 months 15 hours ago) and read 4621 times:

What the hell is wrong with kids?

Their parents. That's what's wrong.


User currently offlineEricR From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 1904 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (2 years 2 months 14 hours ago) and read 4609 times:

I think it has more to do with the parents than the kids. I also think part of the problem is that parents and schools no longer discipline kids the way they used to.

User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19495 posts, RR: 58
Reply 7, posted (2 years 2 months 14 hours ago) and read 4601 times:

Quoting EricR (Reply 6):
I also think part of the problem is that parents and schools no longer discipline kids the way they used to.

I don't know that it's any worse, because today's crappy parents must have been raised by crappy parents.


User currently offlineGSPflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 369 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (2 years 2 months 14 hours ago) and read 4583 times:

Props to her for not flipping out on the little stuck up pricks. If that would've happened, one of the kids parents would have gone to the school the next morning, talked to the principal, and had her fired.

Quoting darthluke12694 (Reply 2):
And the students barely got punished, if at all. It's very messed up. The whole "punishment" system is all messed up. Punishments never do any good. They aren't severe enough. The "ultimate" punishment would be to have the student expelled from school. But guess what? Schools are afraid to do that, because it goes against their drop out rate.

Yep. I graduated High School in 2010. My school expelled a few kids, but most punishments were out of school suspension. Great idea, make the kid go home for 5 days so he can be home alone and invite over all of his friends who were also suspended and they can all smoke pot together. That will teach them. For less serious offenses, the student got a referral, which does nothing. Maybe they would get in-school suspension, where they couldn't socialize with anyone all day. ..one step above out of school suspension.

I think my middle school had the right idea for punishment, even though it was only an alternate to suspension, or to have a (virtually meaningless) referral wiped off your record. It was called "boot camp" where the school resource officer led the group of students who would have to do military type drills during the school day, and do their classwork as well. It was a good way to teach them discipline. It made examples of the students as well, when they would have to do drills or stand at attention in front of their classmates. Looking at their website, I can't find any mention of the program, so I guess they did away with it. Probably a pissed off parent of an embarrassed kid threatening to sue.


User currently offlinestratosphere From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 1651 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (2 years 2 months 14 hours ago) and read 4553 times:

Holy Christ I wish I was on that bus I would have grabbed that little bastard by the throat I don't care if I went to jail for it. I would have said ok my fat ass has you by the throat what are you going to do now? F'kn punk ass kids have no respect for elders these days. I would have got my ass beat if I ever came even close to what they did and of course I would never have done that since I was raised properly.


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User currently offlinedarthluke12694 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (2 years 2 months 14 hours ago) and read 4553 times:

Quoting GSPflyer (Reply 8):
Maybe they would get in-school suspension, where they couldn't socialize with anyone all day. ..one step above out of school suspension.

Totally agree with you. ISS does way more than OSS. At least with ISS, you can't enjoy yourself because you can't talk to anyone and do busy work all day (not that I would know, I've never even had a referral, just what I've heard).

Quoting GSPflyer (Reply 8):
I can't find any mention of the program, so I guess they did away with it. Probably a pissed off parent of an embarrassed kid threatening to sue.

That's the problem. One parent gets mad, then it all goes to heck. See at least one story about a parent getting mad each week on the news. I know in my middle school, the principal was able to paddle the students, as long as the parents gave permission. Of course they might have done away with that by now.


User currently offlineDarksnowynight From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 1355 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (2 years 2 months 14 hours ago) and read 4549 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 5):

What the hell is wrong with kids?

Their parents. That's what's wrong

I don't know. I think it's real easy to say that, but I don't think it's the whole story either. By way of anecdote, I have a seven year old that I've yet to send to her room, and she's generally very well behaved. Manipulative as all hell, but generally polite, and likely the type who'd be embarrassed to be seen with the types in the video. Her ten year old sister, OTOH is a bit more... active. Though most of the time that one is well enough behaved not to be a liability, she has been subject to disciplinary and/or counseling actions in the past, and requires a bit more attention.

Both are growing up in the same home, but again, for the smaller one, virtually all form of discipline is surplus to her needs.

As for the kids in the video, what has me concerned is that I hear a lot of "peer pressure" going on there. They're antagonizing this woman with a complete lack of stimulus, which tells me someone started it to be "cool" and the rest are jumping on to one up one another. They may well be otherwise good kids. As a parent, that would be the type of thing I'd want to look out for, as there will not be signs of this behavior at home.



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User currently offlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7250 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (2 years 2 months 13 hours ago) and read 4518 times:

I'd say the problem with kids these days is political correctness and anti smacking laws, here in Norway you can't smack a kid, the schools drill this into them at an early age, if mum or dad give you a wack you have to report them, parents are too scared to discipline them so they become horrible unruly kids, just imagine what they sort of adults they will turn into.

User currently offlineseb146 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 11572 posts, RR: 15
Reply 13, posted (2 years 2 months 13 hours ago) and read 4515 times:

Quoting darthluke12694 (Reply 2):
And you know what the bad thing is? Teachers just put up with it. Sometimes the teacher gives the student a referral, but it never does any good. And this is becoming all too common.

Every parent believes their child in an angel. Their precious would never do anything like that. Teachers are not allowed to do anything but give a referral. If they do any real discipline, they are fired and sued by the parents becuase it would scar their children. HA!! Maybe the parent's should get involved in their child's life.

Quoting darthluke12694 (Reply 2):
Schools are afraid to do that, because it goes against their drop out rate.

Thanks to No Child Left Behind...



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User currently onlineBraniff747SP From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 2972 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (2 years 2 months 12 hours ago) and read 4495 times:

Quoting Goldenshield (Thread starter):
What The Hell Is Wrong With Kids These Days?  

A great question I'd like to know the answer to! I'm merely a year or two older than these kids... while the kids at the school I've attended for middle and ninth grade (transferring this summer elsewhere) where not like this with faculty and staff (likely because it was a private school and booting people out is much easier) they could be with fellow students. What amazes me about this is the sheer stupidity of these kids. Saying things like this to an employee of the school district... and recording it while they are at it! And putting it online! Anyone with half a brain would realize that this would be an incredibly stupid thing to do... then again, kids my age don't do very much thinking before they act (that is, if they think at all.) . And this is the generation that I will have to live with; that's what worries me!



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User currently offlineTheCommodore From Australia, joined Dec 2007, 2827 posts, RR: 8
Reply 15, posted (2 years 2 months 12 hours ago) and read 4468 times:

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 12):
I'd say the problem with kids these days is political correctness and anti smacking laws,

Absolutely !

And ironically, its probably been brought on by these kids very parents   

Bring back corporal punishment.

The sooner the better IMHO !



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39825 posts, RR: 74
Reply 16, posted (2 years 2 months 11 hours ago) and read 4452 times:

I say whip these kids arses AND their parents arses and then we'll see some results.


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User currently offlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7250 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (2 years 2 months 10 hours ago) and read 4414 times:

Quoting seb146 (Reply 13):
Every parent believes their child in an angel.

I don't, I have good kids but they can be right little #¤%&'s at times, especially when you want them to behave.

Quoting TheCommodore (Reply 15):
Bring back corporal punishment.

I agree bring it back. Caning was banned in my second to last year at school; you can imagine the chaos at an all boys school without any viable method of punishment, detention don't work. I was caned a few times, it hurt but it worked.


User currently offlineautothrust From Switzerland, joined Jun 2006, 1595 posts, RR: 9
Reply 18, posted (2 years 2 months 10 hours ago) and read 4393 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 5):
What the hell is wrong with kids?

Their parents. That's what's wrong.

So true. The Kid's today are extremly spoiled, don't know where the limit's are, have no manners, they even talk utterly bad to each other.

Because they have everything and can do everything they are bored and do not know what to do. So the torture people for fun.

Even in the school a teacher that punish a student for something has not the backup from the parents, instead they get trouble with the parents and schoolboard.

IMO there should be a driving license to get kids and learn how to educate them. I would join that without hesitation.



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User currently offlineRabenschlag From Germany, joined Oct 2000, 1007 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (2 years 2 months 9 hours ago) and read 4367 times:

I really dislike their behavior, but isn't that a genuine part of our culture that the winners are entitled to make fun of the losers? I think most people do it here and there, albeit not as raw and uncultured as these kids.

User currently offlineSmittyOne From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (2 years 2 months 8 hours ago) and read 4320 times:

Quoting Rabenschlag (Reply 19):
I really dislike their behavior, but isn't that a genuine part of our culture that the winners are entitled to make fun of the losers? I think most people do it here and there, albeit not as raw and uncultured as these kids.

Perhaps...but who the hell are a bunch of middle school kids to deem anyone else a "loser"!

Here is a 68-year old lady who is still healthy, able to live independently, work, and continue to contribute to society. Probably after raising a family etc. THAT IS WIN.

Getting bullied by a bunch of nosepickers who have accomplished absolutely NOTHING yet.


User currently offlinealoges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8702 posts, RR: 43
Reply 21, posted (2 years 2 months 8 hours ago) and read 4318 times:

Quoting Goldenshield (Thread starter):
What The Hell Is Wrong With Kids These Days?

I think it's that their childhoods are so micro-managed that little time remains to explore. If you can't do that, you have a much lower risk of failing, e.g. at climbing a tree - but failure teaches you about your own limits and it shows you that guidance from others (as well as cooperation with them) is valuable.

Another symptom of that micro-management is that the children don't learn to deal with boredom as much as they used to. When they're told to do this, that and the other all day long, they get bored and hence aggressive when they aren't given some sort of occupation. Daydreaming has been declared an unproductive waste of time, yet I'm sure it was an important part of the childhoods of most a.netters.

To all the supporters of corporal punishment: Do you honestly believe that beatings will instill respect in children? They may well make them "behave", but solely out of fear - a fear that nurtures hatred for the beating authoritarian and admiration for the bully who stands up to him. Respect is mutual and cannot be conjured up through violence.



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User currently offlineflipdewaf From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2006, 1568 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (2 years 2 months 8 hours ago) and read 4291 times:
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I shall tell you a "hypothetical" story here.

Lets say there was a person in my life who is around 30 years my senior and used to be a teacher.

He was teching a geography class and there was an annoying little brat teasing another child who was larger than the other children. The larger child was obviosly getting annoyed with the little brat calling him names and poking him in the tummy etc. My father The teacher decided to ignore it and could see the larger boy becoming angry untill he lashed out at the brat, being bigger than the brat the larger boy did some damage (black eye etc) but only one hit. The brat then started to wail "sir, sir he hit me, HE HIT ME!", the teacher then raised his eyebrows to the brat and said "well I didn't see anything and I can't think of any reason why he would hit you", the protests stopped and I think justice was done. The brat was much better behaved after he learned about the real word.

I was taught something very important by my father and that was with discipline (works for both kids and animals) that it doesn't matter too much where the line of discipline is drawn but it must always remain in the same place, people need to know the limits. A routine can aid this tremendously and I think that thats what a lot of young people today don't have.

Although:

Quoting aloges (Reply 21):
I think it's that their childhoods are so micro-managed that little time remains to explore.

This is also important, but it should fit around a framework. Children do need to play and adventure (I think they learn a lot from it) and they do need to be allowed to hurt themselves (not catastrophically of course but a bloody knee will be ok).


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User currently offlineKBOS From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 429 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (2 years 2 months 7 hours ago) and read 4255 times:

Hopefully, they will no longer be able to ride the bus to school. Maybe the parents can teach them some manners when they have to drive them in every morning.......


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User currently onlineGoldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 6003 posts, RR: 14
Reply 24, posted (2 years 2 months 7 hours ago) and read 4232 times:

Quoting seb146 (Reply 13):
Every parent believes their child in an angel. Their precious would never do anything like that.

And that's part of the problem. Many parents are too short-sighted to see that their kid is still a kid, and that being a kid, they will not follow strict moral code 100% of the time; they will do dumb things; they will make stupid decisions. Since this is on Youtube, it's likely that this video will haunt these kids for the rest of their lives.

Quoting aloges (Reply 21):
I think it's that their childhoods are so micro-managed that little time remains to explore. If you can't do that, you have a much lower risk of failing, e.g. at climbing a tree - but failure teaches you about your own limits and it shows you that guidance from others (as well as cooperation with them) is valuable.

Having been witness to many a nagging parent when it comes to music studies, I can say that there's truth to this. In the case of the music, the kids aren't allowed to play around musically with what they've learned, and the parents will yell at them if they aren't practicing exactly what's on the lesson. The kid can't grow if he's trapped in the shell.



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25 us330 : Without minimizing how horrible the incident is--and how much each of us would teach each of those kids a lesson--let's not use this incident as a jum
26 blink182 : I can't play the parent/no parent/peer pressure angle, because that's all speculation, though its videos like this that make me wonder whether the old
27 darthluke12694 : As long as it is reasonable, then yes. And I don't think any of us mean giving the kid a black eye. I'm sure most of us mean spanking the kid. Spanki
28 AviRaider : To make matter worse I heard on the radio this morning, that she is widowed and lost her son to suicide 10 years ago. Good news though, through donati
29 windy95 : Left me speechless. Makes you wonder what their parent's are doing.
30 JetBlueGuy2006 : This is just wrong on so many levels. This is part of the reason I am no longer very interested in K-12 Education. I guess the small victories is that
31 ImperialEagle : Exactly. The problem is they have no fear of consequences. I grew-up in the deep south. The old Southern Baptists had a mantra about kids----"beat 'e
32 MD11Engineer : Back in highschool one 16 year old male student became extremely fresh and insulting towards a male teacher, thinking probably "what can the teacher d
33 EricR : About a year ago, an elementary school principle was interviewed regarding how schools no longer had the ability to discipline students in the same m
34 mt99 : While I generally agree - Think about it this way: the kids that were "disciplined" years ago are the parents of the kids doing these things.
35 Charles79 : To further expand on your thought, if I may, this incident makes me wonder what we (as a society) could do but are NOT doing. I don't think these kid
36 mmedford : "America, beat yo' kids" -RIP Bernie Mac
37 Post contains images TheCol : Violence would imply the element of anger or hate. Parents need to be clear on their motives for punishing their children in any situation. Not mine.
38 Post contains images EricR : This is so true! So are you saying that the old way of disciplining kids (which kept them in check) ultimately created bad parenting skills? I don't
39 TheCommodore : No good these days. Then teacher would be looking for a new job the following day.
40 Post contains images mandala499 : Parents! In almost all likelihoods, it's always either: 1. Parents don't give a damn or lacking it... 2. Parents fear punishment for "disciplining" t
41 Post contains links AF1624 : The good thing is according to French news (source: http://www.lepoint.fr/insolite/usa-u...obilise-21-06-2012-1476246_48.php) she earned $ 176.000 in
42 Post contains images TheCommodore : I agree. ! With what the woman has been through, she deserves every penny Only, I'd make the family of the little bastard pay, twice in fact, once to
43 Post contains links and images StarAC17 : For both posts this photo says it all. That isn't new, suspensions have been occurring for decades and the potential do that is the same as its alway
44 SmittyOne : Agreed. And I don't think it needs to go as far as physical punishment in most cases. Most kids rely on their parents for a lot of 'luxuries' that ca
45 StarAC17 : More effective than hitting them usually. It creates a lot of resentment towards your parents, I read an article that argued that the Tiger Mom and E
46 KiwiRob : You turned out alright didn't you?
47 usflyer msp : I think this whole thing is out of control. She deserves an sincere apology and the little brats deserve a good lashing but I am I the only one bother
48 ImperialEagle : No! LOL
49 stlgph : I completely agree. When I got taunted on the playground went home crying the first time, my dad told me to toughen up and fight back. Next time it h
50 moose135 : I said the same thing to a friend earlier. I thought her job was to supervise the students on the bus. If she couldn't do that, what would she do if
51 mt99 : Eh,, think that not a single individual has given her $500k. Individuals give $20 or so.. so , you have to as is $20 too much.
52 Post contains images EA CO AS : Who made you the arbiter of what level of spontaneous public generosity is appropriate? [Edited 2012-06-22 16:42:07]
53 Post contains images usflyer msp : I am very qualified If I were this woman I would be thanking these kids for showing their character so that the world would give my pitiful butt over
54 type-rated : I think that beating kids will result in future parents that beat their kids. Just like when kids grow up in a household where the father beat the mo
55 usflyer msp : And that is a problem how? As long as CP is used appropriately it is a great parenting tool.
56 EA CO AS : Oh, I see...she "let" them? Really? Did she "let" them upload that video and allow it to go viral, humiliating her in the process, too? Because frank
57 Post contains images aloges : It isn't necessarily - if those $500,000 came from parents who told their unruly children "this is where your pocket money is going this week", it's
58 WestJet747 : Just heard on the radio this morning that she said she plans on keeping enough to retire and donating the rest to a charity for children with special
59 zippyjet : It's time for a "Zippy Rant." In no particular order: 1. The Dr. Spock method of raising kids 2. Lawyers running our society into the toilet with all
60 Ken777 : "What's wrong with kids these days" is a generational phrase. Been going on since I was in high school & we just had out 50th reunion tonight. At
61 TheCommodore : Do "bus monitors" get paid, or it it something done on a voluntary basis ? My thoughts too ! Great idea Ken777. Anecdotal evidence says, hitting peop
62 Post contains links AR385 : http://sociedad.elpais.com/sociedad/.../actualidad/1340392754_868819.html Sorry, in Spanish only. According to the link above more than $400,000 Euro
63 usflyer msp : Bus monitors are paid. Not alot but decently considering they only work a few hours a day. Yes, Really. It is her job to maintain order on the bus so
64 mt99 : So.. the kids are the victims?
65 EA CO AS : Authority cannot be exercised when it's not respected to begin with. And it's clear these brats had absolutely no respect for it whatsoever.
66 usflyer msp : No. That is a big jump. The kids are horrible little brats in need of a good spanking. However, Ms. Klein never should have been hired to be a bus mo
67 Post contains links mandala499 : What's wrong with these kids lately? Well, we adults are to blame... especially when we have silly things such as Woman Sues Little League Player (by
68 nwaesc : As someone who, um, had a bit of experience with both, I can say that ISS is *infinitely* worse; all the more so if you have a short attention span.
69 Post contains links TheCommodore : Ok, thanks for that. What authority dose she actually have ? Dose she have the same authority as a teacher ? A very good point indeed ! So who's faul
70 usflyer msp : Almost as much. Yes, true. But Ms. Klein never even told them to stop or that their behavior was not acceptable. She just sat there.
71 Post contains images zkojq : This is really disgusting, I couldn't watch more than two minutes of it. I really like to see elderly people out in the community interacting with you
72 TheCol : Sounds like it was an ongoing issue, not just the one time when the video was shot. She probably told them to behave themselves the first couple of t
73 Post contains links Ideekay : The four seventh-graders got a expulsion from school and care for the elderly as punishment. The four students were suspended for one year from the re
74 zrs70 : I think the school should demand these kids do community service in a senior facility where they have to clean up the defecation of patients.
75 alberchico : So basically ruining their chances of being accepted by a good high school is their punishment ? Here in NYC no private school would accept a student
76 stratosphere : Well if parents could kick their asses instead of what parents do today which is nothing or parents being afraid of going to jail for it maybe it wou
77 Mir : I really hope it doesn't. They're in middle school - we're all idiots one way or another at that age, and most of us turn out to be very decent peopl
78 usflyer msp : I concur. This punishment was way too harsh. Kids who are physically violent don't even get year long suspensions from school. When I was in school (
79 Goldenshield : While I can agree with the spirit of what you're saying, back in the 90's, we didn't have these handy little recording devices to quickly capture it,
80 darksnowynight : I don't know about that. A friend of my daughters got beat up last year. The perpetrator still has another Four Years to serve out an alternative sch
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