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User currently offlineflipdewaf From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2006, 1577 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 4 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2307 times:
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Why do people who still eat fish call themselves vegetarians? Fish is meat, you eat the muscle, that is meat.

I'm not saying you can't eat fish but if you do then you are not a vegetarian surely? You can't be a vegetarian that eats beef so why is fish different?

Fred

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User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21485 posts, RR: 53
Reply 1, posted (2 years 4 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2282 times:

I agree with you. I eat meat very rarely and just occasionally some fish, but I still wouldn't call myself a vegetarian.

Milk and eggs are generally deemed acceptable to fall within the term ("ovo-lacto-vegetarian"), but vegans are of course closer to the theoretical ideal of vegetarianism.

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User currently offlineakiss20 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 626 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (2 years 4 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2266 times:

I very rarely eat fish (mostly when I go home from uni because my mom wants me to and I don't feel like having that fight again) but when I am at school I almost never do. I typically call myself vegetarian just because a lot more people understand that than "I am an ovo-lacto pescatarian." It is really just an ease issue, if asked further details about my diet or reasons for doing it I always say "well I am actually pescatarian" but most people don't know what that is or care and just consider me vegetarian for the purpose of them cooking.


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User currently offlineCXfirst From Norway, joined Jan 2007, 3075 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (2 years 4 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2248 times:

I know a lot of people that say they are vegetarian eat fish.

However, they are actually pescatarian.

My mums one of those, pescatarian that claims to be "vegetarian"

I always correct her on this....

-CXfirst



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User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12710 posts, RR: 25
Reply 4, posted (2 years 4 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2245 times:

Why so rigid?

There's shades of vegetarianism.

In my case, I do not keep any meat or fish in my house, but will eat fish or meat in cases where it's the right thing to do socially, like if I am invited to someone's home or to a restaurant and there is no vegetarian option.

I don't want others to have to make a huge fuss over me for my dietary choices.

I also don't want to rule myself out of invites due to my dietary choices.

Most of my friends catch on pretty quickly and make sure that there are vegetarian options for me, but I never make a big deal over it.

Others have moral, religious or dietary reasons to be strict vegetarians, but for me vegetarianism is simply a strong preference, not an absolute requirement.



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User currently offlineWingsFan From India, joined Oct 2009, 125 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (2 years 4 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2242 times:

Quoting flipdewaf (Thread starter):
you eat the muscle, that is meat.

Agreed !

It is also very common that when you ask for a vegetarian dish or a dish with no meat at a restaurant ,the waiter would come back with a suggestion of a turkey , fish or even chicken dishes. I find it very frustrating.

I think in US, a meat means red meat. So when you ask for " no meat" you get offered all other options.

Strange.


User currently offlineBlueElephant From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2006, 1813 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (2 years 4 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2203 times:

I'm a Vegetarian. I get asked the question "Oh you're a vegetarian, so you eat seafood right?"

Without starting any religious flame war, or any political argument. I think it stems from something long ago in Christianity. I know a number of people, who during Lent (sic), don't eat meat on fridays, but can eat fish. If someone knows the truth about this...would be interested in understanding.

There are different types of vegetarians - I agree with this...But the major difference to me is if you eat eggs / milk products. Pescatarians are not vegetarians.


User currently onlineflyingturtle From Switzerland, joined Oct 2011, 2441 posts, RR: 14
Reply 7, posted (2 years 4 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2199 times:

As a child, it always mildly disturbed me when people didn't call poultry or fish "meat"... I'm a biologist now. 
Quoting WingsFan (Reply 5):
I think in US, a meat means red meat. So when you ask for " no meat" you get offered all other options.

Perhaps it has to do with fish being Jesus' "meat" – and poultry isn't called "meat" to differentiate it from the more expensive mammalian meat. I know people who don't eat poultry because it is not precious enough...


David



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User currently offlinebabybus From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (2 years 4 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2191 times:

Thanks for bringing up this point.

It always bugs me when people scan a menu for vegetarian options and choose the fish.

Vegetarians should be eating non meat products. Fish is a meat.


User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21485 posts, RR: 53
Reply 9, posted (2 years 4 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2168 times:

Quoting BlueElephant (Reply 6):
Without starting any religious flame war, or any political argument. I think it stems from something long ago in Christianity. I know a number of people, who during Lent (sic), don't eat meat on fridays, but can eat fish.

That's how I know it, too. Certain monastic orders and others eventually extended that exception to swimming mammals such as beavers and otters as well, not to let religious precepts standing in the way of culinary desires...

By the way: There are versions of the New Testament where Jesus teaches his followers to not to eat animals at all. It is conceivable that such a requirement might have impeded quick adoption of the new religion considerably, urging a rewrite to less demanding rules...   


User currently offlinedcaviation From Poland, joined Aug 2011, 216 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (2 years 4 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2163 times:
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If people are vegetarian by choice, well they are loose nuts.
If people are vegetarian because of the dietary (health) reasons that's another thing.


User currently offlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7555 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (2 years 4 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2155 times:

I have a dislike of vegetarians, anyone who doesn't eat meat can't be trusted, in fact I'd rather my children were gay than vegetarian!!! It's abnormal!!!

Every vegan I've ever met has also been obese, for the life of me I can't work that out!!! If you're going to be obese you should at least enjoy getting there!!!


User currently offlinerampart From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 3147 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (2 years 4 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2128 times:

I once toured the monastary of Alcobaca, in Portugal, where the Medieval monks had quite the kitchen set up. They diverted the Rio Alcoa directly into and through the kitchen for quick access to fresh fish. (Picture some hapless novice trying to slap trout out of the canal and onto the preparation table.) Here's the vague connection to this thread: Even with ready access to fish, these monks were not satisfied with only fish for Fridays. One of their abbots decreed that baby rabbits were truly fish, and therefore permissable to eat on Fridays. Rabbits. Baby rabbits. Because they look so much like fish. Ah, the joys of Medieval parsimony.

Pescatarians, you have another choice.

-Rampart


User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12710 posts, RR: 25
Reply 13, posted (2 years 4 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2108 times:

Quoting babybus (Reply 8):
It always bugs me when people scan a menu for vegetarian options and choose the fish.

Vegetarians should be eating non meat products. Fish is a meat.

Why does it bug you?

Quoting dcaviation (Reply 10):
If people are vegetarian by choice, well they are loose nuts.

Thanks for your valued contribution.

By the way, do you eat dog? Why not, it's a meat? Horse? Snake? Insects? Brain matter? Testicles? Livers?

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 11):
Every vegan I've ever met has also been obese, for the life of me I can't work that out!!!

Totally opposite of my experience - the strict vegans I've met are quite thin.



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User currently offlinerampart From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 3147 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (2 years 4 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2093 times:

Quoting dcaviation (Reply 10):
If people are vegetarian by choice, well they are loose nuts.

I think there is a higher than usual rate of vegetarianism amongst college students. While that may seem to prove your point (   ), I think it has more to do with the quality of meat-like substances offered at campus eating establishments. I've also observed that the majority of these college vegetarians are thin. Again, no direct proof between diet and body weight, maybe it's the caffeine and RedBull, but certainly suspicious.


User currently offlineakiss20 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 626 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (2 years 4 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2047 times:

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 11):
I have a dislike of vegetarians, anyone who doesn't eat meat can't be trusted, in fact I'd rather my children were gay than vegetarian!!! It's abnormal!!!

Well you must love me then, I am a gay vegetarian (pescatarian but I call myself vegetarian for the reasons outlined upthread, happy name police?).  

Many a hard-core meat eater screams that vegetarians/vegans are always pushing their dietary preference on them (which I personally hate, I don't do it and don't like it when others do) but then turn around and dictate what they can and cannot call themselves. Let people be!

Also, I am 6'0" and 162 lbs and dropping fat and gaining muscle by working out daily and climbing 1-2x a week. Obese? Used to be, not anymore, and def. not while i've been pescatarian.



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User currently offlineWingsFan From India, joined Oct 2009, 125 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (2 years 4 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2008 times:

Quoting dcaviation (Reply 10):

Yawn....so much for contributing to the thread. Learned a lot ...thanks

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 11):
It's abnormal!!!

Normality is a function of surroundings and circumstances. For me, eating meat was VERY abnormal.Growing up I knew of only handful of people who were meat eaters( chicken) and it was quiet a topic for discussion. And this has been like that for many many generations.

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 11):
Every vegan I've ever met has also been obese, for the life of me I can't work that out!!!

Did they grew up vegan? or are they now trying to fight obesity by adapting diet. Type of diet is secondary to how balanced the diet is .

WingsFan


User currently offlineAlnessW From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 620 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (2 years 4 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1984 times:

Quoting flipdewaf (Thread starter):
Why do people who still eat fish call themselves vegetarians?

Because there are different levels of vegetarianism:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vegetarianism#Varieties_of_vegetarianism

Full vegetarian (no meat or fish products), pescetarian (fish products), vegan (no animal products), etc.

Quoting flipdewaf (Thread starter):
I'm not saying you can't eat fish but if you do then you are not a vegetarian surely?

Nope, it's called being a pescetarian.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pescetarianism

Quoting flipdewaf (Thread starter):
You can't be a vegetarian that eats beef so why is fish different?

See my above comments.

Quoting babybus (Reply 8):
Vegetarians should be eating non meat products. Fish is a meat.

Why do you even care? Obviously you're not a "vegetarian."

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 11):
I have a dislike of vegetarians, anyone who doesn't eat meat can't be trusted, in fact I'd rather my children were gay than vegetarian!!! It's abnormal!!!

Wow. You're making a huge generalization there. So you obviously don't like me AND don't trust me; that makes sense. By the way, what does trust have anything to do with vegetarianism? Because we're "abnormal" and don't meet your outrageous standards?

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 11):
Every vegan I've ever met has also been obese, for the life of me I can't work that out!!!

Where did you get that idea?

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 11):
If you're going to be obese you should at least enjoy getting there!!!

What in the world is this supposed to mean?

Interesting how non-vegetarians always seem to have problems with the different types of vegetarians. I was raised as a vegetarian, and I eat fish, therefore my type of vegetarianism is pescetarianism, and I proudly call myself a vegetarian.


User currently offlineER757 From Cayman Islands, joined May 2005, 2558 posts, RR: 7
Reply 18, posted (2 years 4 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 1960 times:

Quoting dcaviation (Reply 10):
If people are vegetarian by choice, well they are loose nuts.
Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 11):
I have a dislike of vegetarians, anyone who doesn't eat meat can't be trusted,

These comments are just silly. I assume they were meant in jest and you just neglected the smiley faces.
I couldn't be a vegetarian myself, I enjoy meat too much. I don't eat a lot of beef and pork, but poultry and fish are staples of my diet. But I respect those who do choose to follow a meat-free regimen. I tried it for a while and didn't feel it was right for me. Just personal choice.


User currently offlineAeri28 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 709 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (2 years 4 months 19 hours ago) and read 1880 times:

some people consider themselves vegetarian by not eating anything with a face. Interestingly though, some are fine with milk, eggs, butter, ice cream, ie. things provided by the thing with a face.

User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10905 posts, RR: 37
Reply 20, posted (2 years 4 months 18 hours ago) and read 1869 times:

Quoting flipdewaf (Thread starter):
You can't be a vegetarian that eats beef so why is fish different?

Beef comes from an earth creature who lives in the same environment as us humans. Fish lives in the sea or rivers, they are water creatures. They live in an environment different from us humans. We don't live in the water I doubt we could become water creatures.

Vegetarians are those who do not wish to kill to eat these creatures as food.

Those who eat fish should not be labelled vegetarians. It seems that vegetarian means 'eating no live creature life' be it sea or earth creatures.

You can push the logic even further by saying all those who eat animal sub-products such as milk, butter, eggs (and I forget some) are not vegetarians either.

 



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User currently offlinesignol From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2007, 3017 posts, RR: 8
Reply 21, posted (2 years 4 months 18 hours ago) and read 1862 times:

Whilst I have no problem whatsoever with people choosing what to eat from ideological, religious, lifestyle choice, or health reasons, it does need to be noted that these are personal choices, unlike those who have a food allergy (like my wife), who don't have that luxury. Especially things like eating out in restaurants, can be very difficult for us, as not many restaurants show what items she can and cannot eat, yet will clearly show vegetarian options.

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 11):
Every vegan I've ever met has also been obese, for the life of me I can't work that out!!!

I don't know many vegans (only one actually) and she is as skinny as a rake. But in your case, perhaps they are using cheese, and fried food (like chips) as a replacement for meat?

signol



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User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21485 posts, RR: 53
Reply 22, posted (2 years 4 months 17 hours ago) and read 1850 times:

Quoting signol (Reply 21):
I don't know many vegans (only one actually) and she is as skinny as a rake. But in your case, perhaps they are using cheese, and fried food (like chips) as a replacement for meat?
Eating cheese would get your vegan powers revoked immediately.   

Fried food would "work", but vegans are generally thin and under- rather than overweight.


User currently offlinedcaviation From Poland, joined Aug 2011, 216 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (2 years 4 months 16 hours ago) and read 1832 times:
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Quoting Revelation (Reply 13):
By the way, do you eat dog? Why not, it's a meat? Horse? Snake? Insects? Brain matter? Testicles? Livers?

Everything except the dog. Dog is a pet not live stock.


I am a chef and I know how to appreciate food.
I was dating at one point two vegetarian girls (not at the same time, and not one after another). There was always an issue where to go for dinner or lunch.
I would pick a place and she would say that they don't have good vegetarian selection. She would pick the place and was happy, and after that I would have to go for real dinner to wash down grass and soy crap from my system.
Both of them would eat fish. When I asked them why not chicken (technically not a meat), they would say that they eat fish to substitute for vitamins and other things that are not in the vegetables.
Both of them at one point had anemia. They were obsessed with "healthy food", but yet, both of them were catching cold more often than anybody else I know.
Now when it comes to dating a woman, I ask two questions.
- Are you vegetarian?
- Do you have tramp stamp?
If answer to both questions is no, then I go out.


User currently offlineAM744 From Mexico, joined Jun 2001, 1779 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (2 years 4 months 16 hours ago) and read 1819 times:

Quoting BlueElephant (Reply 6):
I think it stems from something long ago in Christianity. I know a number of people, who during Lent (sic), don't eat meat on fridays, but can eat fish. If someone knows the truth about this...would be interested in understanding.

I thought that was a Catholic thing all around the World even to this day. Isn't that so?


25 dcaviation : Health effects Glucose is the body's primary fuel source and is essential for the brain's functioning. When denied glucose for more than 4–8 hours,
26 L-188 : Jello That is the one that i wonder about. While i have people say that it is considered vegetarian because it is so highly processed most of the gela
27 Gunsontheroof : I hear this from time to time and still can't get over how ridiculous it is. Fish are animals and at the very least, not vegetables. If you eat fish,
28 AR385 : Even that has changed nowadays. Some recent Pope decreed that even on Fridays during Lent, the sick, children and the elderly may eat meat. When he w
29 mdsh00 : I am not a vegetarian but as a Hindu there are of course many people in my family who are vegetarian. And by that generally lacto-ovo vegetarian; this
30 Post contains links flyingturtle : I've made a habit of never eating fish on Friday, and when I eat fish... always with a knive. When I visited the old Kartause Ittingen, I learned tha
31 Post contains links QFA380 : I read a study about mice, the control was given unlimited access to food while the tests were given a restricted calorie diet. The restricted mice l
32 KiwiRob : Nothing like a good generalisation! If you're planning on being obese you might as well eat tasty food to get there, becoming obese being a vegan is
33 dcaviation : Its not a problem. Its just my opinion. Also, if any religion for any reason forbids eating certain food, then that is really stupid. I used word stu
34 L-188 : Next month I will have access to a proper kitchen for a while when sometelatives are out of town.... Anybody want to place a bet that I can go that we
35 AR385 : It is pure animal protein based on animal parts harvested through the death of said animals. My opinion is that it is not a vegetarian food.
36 Klaus : Because it is perfectly obvious: Gelatine is as incompatible with a vegetarian diet as it gets. There are various congealing agents which are entirel
37 Revelation : Says you. If you want to know why it is, I can tell you, but it sounds like there'd be no point to doing so. That's just a choice you are making, jus
38 Post contains images AlnessW : Yep, and that's called being a vegan. It's their personal choice. How does that affect you? Why does it bother you so much? See my earlier post. What
39 Post contains links Gunsontheroof : Don't get me wrong, it's not something that I lose sleep over or anything, I just don't understand how anyone could possibly think of fish on a plate
40 lewis : I feel very weird when I meet vegetarians who are vegetarians because of "morality issues" but do not apply the same morality. I have met a few such v
41 Post contains images AlnessW : Well, you answered your own question earlier: Cool, thanks for sharing that link! I had no clue that Lindsay Funke aka Portia de Rossi was a vegan. W
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