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Mary Cheney Gets Married  
User currently offlineKen777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 8417 posts, RR: 9
Posted (2 years 5 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 1801 times:

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Mary Cheney, the daughter of former vice president Dick Cheney, got married to longtime partner Heather Poe Friday.
“Mary and Heather have been in a committed relationship for many years, and we are delighted that they were able to take advantage of the opportunity to have that relationship recognized,” the Cheneys said in a statement. The news was first reported by the Daily Caller, a conservative Web site.
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“Very happy to announce that as of this morning, Heather and I are legally married (at least in DC),” Cheney wrote on her Facebook page, according to People magazine. “20 years to the day after our first date.”
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...06/22/gJQAHbJsvV_blog.html?hpid=z5

So the Cheney's still cannot say they are happy that their daughter has married.

Cheney was in the WHite House for 8 years and couldn't support his own daughter's life publicly. He couldn't support gay marriage so his daughter could live a normal life. That is most difficult for me to accept as we do have friends with gay kids. Most people over time will have friends in the same situation. I have seen nothing but support for these friends - a clear difference from what I have seen from our previous VP.

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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 20194 posts, RR: 59
Reply 1, posted (2 years 5 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 1781 times:

What this shows is that gay marriage is simple decency and that homophobia is a lack of decency.

User currently offlinekpitrrat From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 194 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (2 years 5 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 1781 times:

And lets understand that the Washington Post is not the most conservative paper in country....

The former VP supports his daughter. Maybe he is not on the warpath for Gay and Lesbian rights but really. Has he ever denounced it publicly? Honestly I do not know the answer to that question and if so then I stand corrected. Still, i dont think you can gather how the Cheney's feel about their daughters marriage based on what any news organization reports, they will say what needs to be said and as a former conservative VP I believe they said the right things.

Quoting Ken777 (Thread starter):
“Mary and Heather have been in a committed relationship for many years, and we are delighted that they were able to take advantage of the opportunity to have that relationship recognized,” the Cheneys said in a statement.

Its like adding an asterisk to this statement. *Was provided by a Conservative news source. Is this really necessary?

Still, I am sure they are absolutely disgusted about this....

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/08/25/politics/campaign/25cheney.html
*This was reported by a Liberal sews source.

[Edited 2012-06-22 20:08:51]

User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 20194 posts, RR: 59
Reply 3, posted (2 years 5 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 1765 times:

Quoting kpitrrat (Reply 2):
The former VP supports his daughter. Maybe he is not on the warpath for Gay and Lesbian rights but really. Has he ever denounced it publicly?

No, he didn't. He was very silent on the issue. He was also in a party that had and still has homophobia written into the party platform, worse in some states. In fact, just this year the Texas GOP removed criminalization of sodomy from their platform for the first time. They wanted a constitutional amendment! I kid you not.

Cheney was part of a party that held those values and he was silent about it. Inaction in the face of injustice is a conscious choice to perpetuate that injustice.


User currently offlinekpitrrat From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 194 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (2 years 5 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 1757 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 3):
Cheney was part of a party that held those values and he was silent about it. Inaction in the face of injustice is a conscious choice to perpetuate that injustice.

I agree 100%. I just believe that due to his occupation there were/are certain things that he "shouldn't" say as a person in the positions he was in. That is the nature of politics. Call me crazy but I am sure there are Liberals that hold some generally conservative views as well. In addition, both parties have beliefs that may be viewed as injustices, again it goes both ways.

While I agree with what you said, I believe it is unfair to say, based on noting that a conservative paper said he and his wife were "delighted" about their daughters marriage, that they couldn't say they were "happy" for their daughter publicly. Doesn't that comment say they are "delighted"? We are really going into degrees of happiness/euphoria? Or does he need to go out and make speeches and write books about this issue to show that he is actually happy for his daughter. They guy has had a few open heart surgeries. Maybe happy would kill him? I feel it is none of our business and to insinuate that he is ashamed of his daughter based on a conservative papers report is wrong IMO. None of us know the family on a personal basis.


User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 20194 posts, RR: 59
Reply 5, posted (2 years 5 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 1740 times:

Quoting kpitrrat (Reply 4):
I just believe that due to his occupation there were/are certain things that he "shouldn't" say as a person in the positions he was in.

He "could have" opposed it. He "could have" been a Democrat, where he could have changed the party line, like Obama just did. He "could have" done a lot. He didn't. He threw his daughter under the bus of his career.


User currently offlinekpitrrat From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 194 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (2 years 5 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 1727 times:

I don't believe that supporting one point justifies changing party lines. However, I do agree he could have done more. As far as changing the Republican ideology of anti-gay marriage. Lets be honest, no matter how hard he would have tried he would not have made a significant difference and as a conservative what would that have gotten him? Not everyone can be a martyr. You need to know when to pick your battles. Sure its sad to say, but thats the nature of people disagreeing on things. Personally I believe that the Republican party votes far too much on religious based issues but I also believe that that they have a more realistic economic policy. Aside from this non-issue (IMO I am for whatever marriage you want, individual decision) I believe Cheney would have had a difficult time being a conservative-democrat. Could such a person exist?

And when did he throw his daughter under the bus? Implying that he is against it because he was not extremely vocal about his daughters sexual orientation is a frivolous arguement. It is possible to support a cause without being an activist.


User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12840 posts, RR: 25
Reply 7, posted (2 years 5 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 1606 times:

Quoting Ken777 (Thread starter):
So the Cheney's still cannot say they are happy that their daughter has married.

Yet they aren't saying we're sickened and disgusted by our daughter's choice to spend twenty years shacked up with a lezzie instead of marrying a nice WASP guy and having nice white conservative Christian sons that would by now be in Yale and soon be heading into Harvard Law and then Congress.

Count your blessings.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 5):

He "could have" opposed it. He "could have" been a Democrat, where he could have changed the party line, like Obama just did. He "could have" done a lot. He didn't. He threw his daughter under the bus of his career.

He could have let his daughter's homosexuality become a trigger to become a rabid anti-gay crusader too.

Now that would be throwing his daughter under the bus.



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User currently offlineKen777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 8417 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (2 years 5 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 1563 times:

Quoting kpitrrat (Reply 4):
I just believe that due to his occupation there were/are certain things that he "shouldn't" say as a person in the positions he was in.

Bull. He was in a unique position to bring a lot of understanding to the situation while he was in the WH. He certainly had no problems taking the lead on other issues (much to our pain) so it wouldn't have been that difficult for him to stand up for his daughter and her relationship.


User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 20194 posts, RR: 59
Reply 9, posted (2 years 5 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 1524 times:

Quoting Revelation (Reply 7):

He could have let his daughter's homosexuality become a trigger to become a rabid anti-gay crusader too.

So because he didn't something even worse that's OK?

"He beat the crap out of that boy every day, but at least he didn't kill him!"

Same flavor of ridiculous.

Quoting kpitrrat (Reply 6):
And when did he throw his daughter under the bus? Implying that he is against it because he was not extremely vocal about his daughters sexual orientation is a frivolous arguement. It is possible to support a cause without being an activist.

Not while being a member of a club that wants to criminalize that same cause.


User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12840 posts, RR: 25
Reply 10, posted (2 years 5 months 2 days ago) and read 1461 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 9):
Quoting Revelation (Reply 7):

He could have let his daughter's homosexuality become a trigger to become a rabid anti-gay crusader too.

So because he didn't something even worse that's OK?

"He beat the crap out of that boy every day, but at least he didn't kill him!"

Same flavor of ridiculous.

If the norm is murder, not murdering is a positive act.

I'm no fan of Cheney, but I don't expect a person of his generation and political persuasion to be strongly pro-homosexual, with or without a homosexual child.

If you're such an idealist, why do you think having a gay child should matter? Anti-gay bias is just as wrong with or without a gay child, isn't it? People seem to be picking on Cheney because he should "know better", but I'm not buying it.



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