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That Last Bit Of Belly Fat...grrrr  
User currently offlineAirstud From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 2774 posts, RR: 4
Posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 1789 times:

So, I was totally gross a few weeks ago; seeing myself in the bathroom mirror with quite the gut hanging out; and I made a few dietary changes (nix on cake, pizza; yes on salad, cottage cheese, lean protein). Plus I walk to work (5.67 miles) twice a week, and tend to walk at least that much on at least 2 other days each week. I know that walking isn't a real fat-burning exercise, but it's something I end up doing a lot anyway and hey - can't hurt. (Er... can it?)

I am impressed by the changes I have effected - no more gut sticking way the heck out. In fact I have made what co-workers call infuriating progress in gut reduction  (quoth Homer Simpson, it's my metabomalism).

The thing I can't understand is, WHY, when there is still obviously fat yet to burn (though it is now but a wee gutlet), do the same good habits not effect continued burnage of the fat. It feels like 3 inches came off of my waistline in a 2-week (or less!) span, but now I want to lose another inch or two, and...nope. That gutlet is just sticking around.

(If I suck in my gutlet, I can see my abs. Obviously, I'd prefer my abs to be visible when I'm relaxed but this is still progress: Two or three weeks ago, if I sucked in my gut, I saw... my gut.)

WHY are the same habits that burned off those first several inches with such rapidity, NOT burning off the remaining gutlet, even over a longer span o' time?!?   


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User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21522 posts, RR: 53
Reply 1, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 1766 times:

Our biology is geared towards our survival first and foremost. Our vanity is not its top priority, unfortunately. 

For the most part our bodies still work the way our ston-age ancestors needed it to work, and at that time starvation had been a much bigger threat than bathroom mirrors.

Particularly as we age the body shifts the balance away from building muscle mass to building reserves against starvation, and it tries to hold on to these for as long as possible (with sometimes substantial individual variations).

In the end the key is primarily eating about as much as we actually need, not conducting any fancy diets. Our hunger is usually overexaggerating our need for food a great deal. That's a good strategy when food is scarce and there's a real threat of starvation, but a real problem when food is plentiful and easy to get everywhere we go.

The key is to not take at face value what our hunger is telling us. Yes, we should eat every now and then. But no, not quite as much as it's telling us beforehand. Eating a bit slower and noticing early when the hunger is beginning to be sated is a lot better than embarking on crazy diets or excessive bouts of exercise.


User currently offlineQFA380 From Australia, joined Jul 2005, 2084 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 1761 times:

The Law of Diminishing Marginal Returns. Follow the logarithmic curve, you can either stick at it over time or you can increase the coefficient of your effort.

I must admit, the idea that you'll get ripped abs in a few weeks is absolutely ridiculous. I hope you haven't set your expectations so high that you'll fail.

You say you've made a 'few dietary changes', make some more. If there's any carbonated drinks in your fridge go pour them down the drain. Empty your food cupboard of any junk, poptarts, most breakfast cereals that are full of sugar. Sugar is your enemy. If walking is the only exercise you're doing, do more. Try to do some strength exercises, I recommend a book called Convict Conditioning which may help you get on the right track.

Remember every person and every different lifestyle will lead to a different equilibrium weight and body fat makeup. You could have reached an equilibrium for your genetic endowment and current lifestyle. You can't really change your genetics so if your not happy with your current equilibrium your lifestyle needs more work.

Good luck and ease up on the pancakes especially  


User currently onlineStarAC17 From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 3411 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 1714 times:

Quoting Airstud (Thread starter):
Plus I walk to work (5.67 miles) twice a week, and tend to walk at least that much on at least 2 other days each week. I know that walking isn't a real fat-burning exercise, but it's something I end up doing a lot anyway and hey - can't hurt.

That is a lot of walking and while it may not be strenuous it adds up. Kudos as 5.67 miles twice a week is very good. If you generally enjoy walking then why not take up hiking and that will help immensely. You live in Cali so there must be some rugged terrain near you to give you a challenge.

Quoting Klaus (Reply 1):
In the end the key is primarily eating about as much as we actually need, not conducting any fancy diets. Our hunger is usually overexaggerating our need for food a great deal.

From what I have heard if you don't eat something every 3 hours when awake your body goes into starvation model.

Quoting QFA380 (Reply 2):

You say you've made a 'few dietary changes', make some more. If there's any carbonated drinks in your fridge go pour them down the drain. Empty your food cupboard of any junk, poptarts, most breakfast cereals that are full of sugar. Sugar is your enemy.

No one thing is your enemy, you can have junk in moderation and simply cutting everything bad for you will eventually lead to a binge of it. Also it seems every day what is bad for you isn't and vice versa. I remember in the 90's fat was bad and now carbs are the enemy.

They key is everything in moderation.

Quoting QFA380 (Reply 2):
If walking is the only exercise you're doing, do more.

As I said try hiking, take up a sport and I have been hooked on Yoga (especially hot yoga) its a great workout and it levels you out on the inside. If you try something like power yoga it will stress your core making the muscles even more toned than the present, however it is a fallacy that working out a specific area of the body will burn the fat in that area.

Quoting QFA380 (Reply 2):
Remember every person and every different lifestyle will lead to a different equilibrium weight and body fat makeup.

Also every person has a place where fat accumulates for me and the OP it happens to be the gut and for some people it isn't.



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User currently offlineQFA380 From Australia, joined Jul 2005, 2084 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 1660 times:

Quoting StarAC17 (Reply 3):
don't eat something every 3 hours when awake your body goes into starvation model.

Also known as ketosis, it is when the body switches to using fat for energy rather than relying on regular doses of glucose. The wiki provides some interesting reading.

Quoting StarAC17 (Reply 3):
Also every person has a place where fat accumulates for me and the OP it happens to be the gut and for some people it isn't.

That seems like an admission of defeat, the OP wasn't happy with his appearance and has begun to change that and should be congratulated and encouraged rather than accept it as an inevitability that he has to have fat around his stomach.

Quoting StarAC17 (Reply 3):
They key is everything in moderation.

That is ridiculous, I could say heroin in moderation, seeing as though it was considered good for you at one time. The key is knowing the truth about what you put into your body and the effects it will have on you. Don't rely on the benevolent state or media to inform you what is good for you, they don't really give a rats about you. I stand by my comment that sugar is the enemy of healthy living in humans, with the addendum of saying highly process sugar in all of its forms and names.

If after knowing the effects of things, you determine the benefit outweighs the costs then by all means consume it however the blanket assertion that everything is ok in moderation is patently false.


User currently onlineStarAC17 From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 3411 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 1634 times:

Quoting QFA380 (Reply 4):
That seems like an admission of defeat, the OP wasn't happy with his appearance and has begun to change that and should be congratulated and encouraged rather than accept it as an inevitability that he has to have fat around his stomach.

No I'm not saying that its an admission of defeat, I'm just saying that for some people fat is distributed differently throughout the body, and the mid section tends to make people feel the worst. It is more of a challenge to deal with but it isn't impossible.

Quoting QFA380 (Reply 4):
That is ridiculous, I could say heroin in moderation,

Hereoin is a psychoactive drug it is not the same thing.

Quoting QFA380 (Reply 4):
I stand by my comment that sugar is the enemy of healthy living in humans, with the addendum of saying highly process sugar in all of its forms and names.

So you don't eat any candy, drink or indulge in any fast food at any time?? If you do kudos.
My point is that you can have some things that are not necessarily healthy on occasion perhaps once per week even if you are serious about weight loss.

I do agree about useless refined sugar and have actually been avoiding cereal or sugar in my coffee because I find it makes me feel crappy.

At the end of the day you have to burn more calories than you take in to have any effect on weight loss.



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User currently offlineSeptember11 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3623 posts, RR: 21
Reply 6, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 1577 times:

Airstud, you may want to consider tummy liposuction..


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User currently offlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7848 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 1577 times:

Lift heavy weights, squat a lot, lift more heavy weights and squat some more, muscle burns fat even when you aren't doing anything, build muscle burn fat, easy, and do some squats dammit!!!

It's working pretty well for me, I've dropped 10kg of fat in the last 10 weeks and plonked on 7kg of muscle mass. The gut is reducing whilst everything else is getting bigger.


User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21522 posts, RR: 53
Reply 8, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 1533 times:

Quoting September11 (Reply 6):
Airstud, you may want to consider tummy liposuction..
NO!!!

It's not just regular surgery with many associated health risks, it can also lead to rather unappealing visual results and it is plain unnecessary when you're not morbidly obese but just slightly overweight as apparently in Airstud's case.

It's a myth that you could "fix" everything by surgical means – in many cases the risks and downsides outweigh the benefits, particularly when it's only about cosmetic effects.

It is practically certain that Airstud can manage his remaining fat by regular exercise and proper eating which is by very, very far the more benefitial approach.


User currently offlineAirstud From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 2774 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (2 years 6 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 1491 times:

Thanks for the responses everyone.

I believe I did not sufficiently articulate my very specific question, which is actually a generalized question about physiology. (I.e., I know there's more things I could be doing to burn what little fat remains; cardio, more fastidious dieting, etc.)

But it just made me curious, that so much fat burned away so easily with those simple behavioral changes and yet, even as the better behavior continued, the (nearly automatic) fat-burning stopped - and not because the fat was all gone, because 'twasn't.



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User currently onlineStarAC17 From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 3411 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (2 years 6 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1472 times:

Quoting Airstud (Reply 9):
But it just made me curious, that so much fat burned away so easily with those simple behavioral changes and yet, even as the better behavior continued, the (nearly automatic) fat-burning stopped - and not because the fat was all gone, because 'twasn't.

A lot of the time they body also gets used to the same physical activity if done repeatedly and may not be effective.
You might want to try changing it up a bit and see if you see any more results.



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