GuitrThree From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1988 posts, RR: 9 Posted (10 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3237 times:
I know a lot of you here think Obama's reelection is a lock. But this goes to show how much he is in trouble. At first, when I heard about this, I thought it was a joke. But no, Obama, on his website, is asking you to donate to his campaign not just giving by giving money yourself, but if you are buying a gift for someone else, like a wedding, birthday, or anniversary, instead of giving that person/persons a gift, you make a donation to Obama in their name instead.
Seriously, how pathetic is that? Wedding gifts are traditionally supposed to help new couples out by giving them things they can't afford at the moment to get their new life going. And Obama asks you not to do that, but give him the money.
I'm sorry, but this shows how (1) Narcissistic he is, (2) Out of touch he is, and (3) how desperate he is for money.
How anyone can defend this utter embarrassing begging for money is beyond me. I've never heard of this before and if someone did it in the past, well then they are on the same level. I don't care who they are.
MadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10241 posts, RR: 40 Reply 1, posted (10 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3222 times:
Quoting GuitrThree (Thread starter): if you are buying a gift for someone else, like a wedding, birthday, or anniversary, instead of giving that person/persons a gift, you make a donation to Obama in their name instead.
Obama Campaign: Tell Your Wedding Guests to Send Us Money
Got a birthday, anniversary, or wedding coming up?
Let your friends know how important this election is to you—register with Obama 2012, and ask for a donation in lieu of a gift. It’s a great way to support the President on your big day.
ltbewr From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 12328 posts, RR: 12 Reply 2, posted (10 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3215 times:
Oh I can see the comedians and Republicans bashing this big time.
We have so badly twisted the 1st Amendment of Freedom of Speech, most recently with the infamous Citizens United Supreme Court decision, that the greedy need for money is well exceeding good taste and reason. Obama isn't getting any money from 'Wall Street' despite how much he continued to save their sorry asses continuing policies started by President Bush and not going after the criminals who got us in part into our sick economy.
I hope 1000's e-mail get sent to the campaign to say that this idea is just plain wrong, stupid and smells like desperation of the worst kind.
It's for people who'd rather support a cause of theirs than receive yet more material gifts that they hardly need.
I don't know how common it is for one of those causes/campaigns to offer online registration of your event for that purpose, but seeing how money-centred both political campaigns and personal events have become (e.g. online bridal registries) I don't see an issue with this - it's in less bad taste than e.g. attack ads.
His campaign is up against some of the wealthiest ranks of the American Upper Class (e.g. Sheldon Adelson) whose individual donations outclass even much-popularised fundraising dinners. It's an unpleasant, but well-known fact that money swings elections.
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Superfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 38485 posts, RR: 80 Reply 4, posted (10 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3168 times:
I'm speechless.
Just when you thought his narcissistic behavior couldn't get any worse.
What's next? A chance to win an ipod with speeches to remind us how great he is?
Or is that a special gift that only the Queen of England deserves?
Worth noting, Obama's campaign is now spending more money than it's taking in.
After all of his mudslinging against Romney and blaming everyone for all of the nation's problems, I have yet to hear him give us any reason to re-elect him. I have yet to hear of him boast of any accomplishments that his administration has achieved.
http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/Rom...1/id/443033?s=al&promo_code=F435-1
From the article; Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney surged ahead of President Barack Obama in fundraising for the first time last month — and a senior Obama adviser concedes that Obama will be the first incumbent president to be out-raised by his opponent.
Looks like Sarah Jessica Parker, Anna Wintour, George Clooney and other rich ...err.....99%ers will need to host more $40,000 a plate fundraisers to stay relevant.
Quoting ltbewr (Reply 2): the infamous Citizens United Supreme Court decision
Dreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 7754 posts, RR: 22 Reply 5, posted (10 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3134 times:
Quoting Superfly (Reply 4): Worth noting, Obama's campaign is now spending more money than it's taking in.
LOL, with the budget deficits he seems to love, why should anyone be surprised.
Quoting aloges (Reply 3): His campaign is up against some of the wealthiest ranks of the American Upper Class (e.g. Sheldon Adelson) whose individual donations outclass even much-popularised fundraising dinners. It's an unpleasant, but well-known fact that money swings elections.
Excuse me, but who's fault is that? Obama in 2008 outspent the McCain by more than 2 to 1, breaking every campaign spending record in history. Can you blame the GOP for rising to the challenge?
And don't feel so sorry about Obama's fundraising. Hollywood alone could provide all the funding he needs. There are a number of Leftist Hollywood types worth as much or more than the Kochs or Adelson, not to mention Soros.
Mir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 19687 posts, RR: 56 Reply 6, posted (10 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3129 times:
Quoting GuitrThree (Thread starter): But no, Obama, on his website, is asking you to donate to his campaign not just giving by giving money yourself, but if you are buying a gift for someone else, like a wedding, birthday, or anniversary, instead of giving that person/persons a gift, you make a donation to Obama in their name instead.
No. Read it again. It's for you - if you would rather people donate to the campaign than give you a gift, you can ask them to, and they can. In no way are they asking you to give money to them instead of gifts to someone else.
Quoting aloges (Reply 3): It's for people who'd rather support a cause of theirs than receive yet more material gifts that they hardly need.
Non-profits and other organizations that fundraise do this ALL THE TIME. Complete non-story.
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ZANL188 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 3244 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (10 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3123 times:
Quoting aloges (Reply 3): It's for people who'd rather support a cause of theirs than receive yet more material gifts that they hardly need.
Casts the Obama campaign in an elitist tint doesn't it??
Quoting Superfly (Reply 4): Looks like Sarah Jessica Parker, Anna Wintour, George Clooney and other rich ...err.....99%ers will need to host more $40,000 a plate fundraisers to stay relevant.
That'll be the the day when us 99%ers can host $40K aplate fundraisers....
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StarAC17 From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 3211 posts, RR: 9 Reply 8, posted (10 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3115 times:
Quoting GuitrThree (Thread starter): I'm sorry, but this shows how (1) Narcissistic he is, (2) Out of touch he is, and (3) how desperate he is for money.
1 and 2 apply for all politicians especially in this race.
3) Is anyone surprised he is desperate for money, the Koch brothers alone might put in $400 million to try and defeat him. Money tends to win elections and Obama won in 2008 largely because he raised more money.
windy95 From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 2554 posts, RR: 5 Reply 9, posted (10 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3104 times:
Quoting aloges (Reply 3): His campaign is up against some of the wealthiest ranks of the American Upper Class (e.g. Sheldon Adelson) whose individual donations outclass even much-popularised fundraising dinners. It's an unpleasant, but well-known fact that money swings elections.
So when Obama outspent McCain 3 to 1 last election that was okay? Some of the well know billionaire supporters are Buffet, Soros, Winfrey, Diller, Eisner, Blank, Tisch, Lear, Pritsker and Geffen. Then toss in the Hollywood elite like George Clooney, Jeffrey Katzenberg, Steven Spielberg amongst the many. Then we can add Google chief executive Eric Schmidt , Google co-founder Larry Page, Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer, Financier Ken Griffin, leader of Chicago hedge fund Citadel.
Asking people for gift's like this campaign is now doing very low end. What a joke.
Flighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 7427 posts, RR: 2 Reply 11, posted (10 months 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 3049 times:
Typical Obama: earning money is demonic. Taking money is angelic. Government must destroy the good situations so we can be more equal, the hard workers and the lazy.
I am reasonably liberal, but not destructively so.
that of the voters, more precisely those swing voters that are swayed by expensive campaign items rather than issues
All the personal appearances, all the TV ads and all the phone calls that are supposed to sway people this or that way have to be paid for. To get noticed between the myriad of other (i.e. commercial) campaigns, a political candidate has to invest loads of money just like McDonald's, Pepsico and Citibank do. For a change to that, you could e.g. allot to each party a given and equal amount of airtime and/or ad space that has to be provided to them for free, barring them from purchasing any more... but I suppose that would be socialism, right?
Anyway, if swing voters took or perhaps even had the time to ponder the promises of each candidate, those expensive campaigns would soon lose much of their meaning. And if you had fewer Olbermanns and Limbaughs, well... I can dream, can't I?
Quoting ZANL188 (Reply 7): Casts the Obama campaign in an elitist tint doesn't it??
I don't think anyone could hope to become a senator, let alone run for reelection as President of the US, without being part of some sort of elite. It can be the financial elite (e.g. Romney), educational elite (e.g. Obama) or, as it were, an established elite (e.g. the Kennedy and Bush families). Essentially, you have to be part of some sort of network if you want to have a chance at a high political office.
Quoting windy95 (Reply 9): So when Obama outspent McCain 3 to 1 last election that was okay?
That was then, this is now. Obama isn't going up against McCain and his supporters, he's challenged by Romney and his. And as I have just said, the ludicrous expenses for campaigns have never been a good thing.
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Pyrex From Portugal, joined Aug 2005, 3536 posts, RR: 28 Reply 14, posted (10 months 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 3008 times:
Quoting ltbewr (Reply 2): Oh I can see the comedians and Republicans bashing this big time.
No you won't, Comedy Central is in the bag for that hack. They had pure comedic gold in the Elizabeth Warren situation and nobody even touched it.
Quoting ltbewr (Reply 2): We have so badly twisted the 1st Amendment of Freedom of Speech, most recently with the infamous Citizens United Supreme Court decision
Oh boy, here we go again... liberals having problems with the law treating media and non-media companies the same way. What is the value of the free print-space and air-time that Democrats get every single day?
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Aesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 4768 posts, RR: 9 Reply 16, posted (10 months 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2985 times:
Well, as long as money in elections is not controlled, this will continue.
Here a presidential campaign must not cost more than 22 millions € per candidate or it's canceled. Somehow the candidates still manage to get their point across, make numerous meetings, travel across the country on a daily basis, in fact by election time people are quite tired of the show. I'm sure the same could be done in the US with, let's say, 200 millions $ per candidate.
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okie From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2346 posts, RR: 3 Reply 17, posted (10 months 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2979 times:
Quoting Superfly (Reply 4): After all of his mudslinging against Romney and blaming everyone for all of the nation's problems, I have yet to hear him give us any reason to re-elect him. I have yet to hear of him boast of any accomplishments that his administration has achieved.
seb146 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 9798 posts, RR: 17 Reply 18, posted (10 months 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2963 times:
unbelievable...
All these people think Obama is evil for asking his own citizens for campaign contributions are the exact same people who are fine with multi-national corporations giving billions of dollars to decide the outcome of our elections.
I know a few Obama haters (and I know the main reason why they hate him) so it might be fun to send a few dollars in their names.
Quoting GuitrThree (Thread starter): I'm sorry, but this shows how (1) Narcissistic he is, (2) Out of touch he is, and (3) how desperate he is for money.
Actually it shows people on his fund rasing team thinking of everything they can - just like Willard's team. No big deal.
Quoting aloges (Reply 3): His campaign is up against some of the wealthiest ranks of the American Upper Class (e.g. Sheldon Adelson) whose individual donations outclass even much-popularised fundraising dinners.
Think I recently read that Sheldon had given $10 Million and was prepared to go to $100 Million. I wonder what $100 Million buys you at the White House.
At the other end of the spectrum, WIllard is having big money fly into Utah on their private jets for afternoon tea. There might be some political discussions and some money pledged, but (of course) there will be great care to keep the campaign independent of the SuperPACs. Which is probably why Carl Rove is there.
bristolflyer From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 2135 posts, RR: 0 Reply 22, posted (10 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2898 times:
Quoting GuitrThree (Thread starter): Wedding gifts are traditionally supposed to help new couples out by giving them things they can't afford at the moment to get their new life going
Yeah, think about those poor, poor people who Obama is stealing money from.
'Traditionally' is the key word. Many people nowadays (including myself) have lived by themselves and marry someone who has also lived by themselves, therefore having most things they need (and even duplicates of those things). Charitable donations aren't out of the ordinary, and a donation to a political fund isn't unthinkable.
If I was to tell you that a republican had previously done this then I don't think you'd be so vocal about it.
Pyrex From Portugal, joined Aug 2005, 3536 posts, RR: 28 Reply 23, posted (10 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2870 times:
Quoting aloges (Reply 21): I would be interested in your detailed analysis which backs this statement up.
I know you liberals feel threatened by the success of Fox News (or as you like to call it, "the one who got away"), but let me sure I get this straight: are you actually suggesting that whatever free airtime Republicans get on Fox News is more valuable than the free airtime Democrats get on CNN/NBC/ABC/CBS/Comedy Central/etc. and the free print-space they get on the NYT/Washington Post/Los Angeles Times/etc.? I know the ratings of MSNBC are woeful, but still...
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PHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 4938 posts, RR: 15 Reply 24, posted (10 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2865 times:
Quoting GuitrThree (Thread starter): I know a lot of you here think Obama's reelection is a lock.
Actually I don't; if Romney picks Rubio for Veep i'd say Barack Hussein Obama is in the soup.
Quoting GuitrThree (Thread starter): but if you are buying a gift for someone else, like a wedding, birthday, or anniversary, instead of giving that person/persons a gift, you make a donation to Obama in their name instead.
Seriously, how pathetic is that?
Pretty pathetic. Obama really doesn't understand why people buy stuff in the first place. Explains why the economy is STILL down.
Quoting GuitrThree (Thread starter): (1) Narcissistic he is, (2) Out of touch he is, and (3) how desperate he is for money.
1) Add "always talking out of his ass" to that.
2) Again, my very point. The economy sucks because people don't have the confidence to spend anymore. People are (STILL!) buying cars at a rate of once every 15 years according to a study (google it). People are worried about the future, ESPECIALLY with our debt.
3) they spent more last month than they made.
Quoting Superfly (Reply 4): Looks like Sarah Jessica Parker, Anna Wintour, George Clooney and other rich ...err.....99%ers will need to host more $40,000 a plate fundraisers to stay relevant.
Spot-on. Because Fox is the only news corp that is actually leaning right rather than sensationalist far left, they get all of the shit for it.
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25 Mir: How many times do we hear that Fox kills all the other networks in terms of viewers and advertising revenue, and how print media is a dead medium? If
26 mt99: I thought that was the case at one point. Now i don't know. Money talks, this time GOP has the bullhorn (thanks to the fact that "corporations are pe
27 casinterest: You really don't follow politics do you? They leave no stone unturned. And to be honest with Mitt's downright "traditional" values, I would imagine q
28 Superfly: How about all of those wealthy movie stars such as Ashton Kutcher that took a "pledge" to support Obama? (I wish this was a paradoy but it's not) http
29 Aloha717200: Jesus...despite my support of Obama this is one of the most lame-brained embarrassing things I've ever seen on a campaign website. Just pathetic. I'm
30 aloges: In other words: you've got nothing... I suppose you even count the airtime that Democrats get in their functions as government officials as "Democrat
31 Mir: Why? Because the campaign is saying "hey, if you know people are going to give you stuff you don't want or need, why not offer them the opportunity t
32 GuitrThree: yea.. I went back and reread what I wrote. Poor way of expaining it. Will do better in the future. But still, he IS asking the person who is supposed
33 WestJet747: Yeah it's especially awful the part where he mandates that all Americans donate to his campaign!!! Oh wait...that's not what it says?! Which leads me
34 Mir: You don't support them having that option? Whatever happened to personal economic freedom? -Mir
35 kellmark: He obviously needs the money badly. 100 times playing golf and not one but two airplanes to Martha's Vineyard. 4 million dollars for his Hawaii vacati
36 seb146: Even though we have gained back all the jobs lost under Bush. Because of the jobs lost under Bush, companies are now able to hire at lower wages. By
37 Mir: I wouldn't do it either, but I see nothing wrong with the campaign offering the option to people who might want to. And as you said, lots of other ch
38 vikkyvik: I won't claim that I like this idea, nor would I EVER take part in it, being pretty apolitical and not interested in possibly offending wedding guest
39 mt99: I guess that this is more acceptable: 1927 Port? really.. is that the best that Willard has? Pathetic.. "At a private retreat this weekend, major Romn
40 slider: Funny how the left squawks now that the shoe is on the other foot. Many people in this country are angry--at Obama's deliberate transformation of the
41 Aesma: I don't see what the media has to do with it, or do you mean that the media will be against the idea ? Because it gets them a lot of money, maybe ? No
42 aa757first: Not an Obama supporter, but so what? Here's an entire website dedicated to such people: https://www.justgive.org/registries/wedding . I also can't rec
43 mt99: Thats the difference. That you CAN name them - now with the Super PAC you cannot do the same. As Presidential History Footnote John McCain has awknol
44 tommy767: Honestly I'm not surprised. He's trying to make this election emotional like it was in 2008. Well hope and change didn't work so now he's moved onto m
45 soon7x7: Good!..."never interrupt your adversary while he is making an ass of himself"...keep it up Obama, you and Mr. Holder, both of whom have made a mockery
46 Pyrex: Well, considering the vast majority of foreigners ignorant about the U.S. only know the country for what they see in movies and sitcoms and are thus
47 mt99: Hmm .. you better inform Sen McCain then.. because he think otherwise. Do you need his email? WASHINGTON — Sen. John McCain said in an interview po
48 Mir: Thank you for not being blinded by the hate and still being able to think logically. You're one of the few. -Mir
49 aloges: How do movies and sitcoms automatically turn people into Obama supporters?
51 soon7x7: Like Jeff Immelt, Obama's "Jobs Czar?"...GE in the pocket of the US goverment, or the US government in the pocket of GE?...either way you slice it, b
52 us330: I'm reasonably certain that federal laws prevent the use of campaign contributions for non-campaign purposes (that was one of the issues that led to
53 Pyrex: Europeans are just as ignorant about the U.S. as they claim Americans are about Europe (or as Coastal Americans are about their own country). They wa
54 mt99: So how do you explain the link that you ignored? Qouted below for your convenience:
55 aloges: GuitrThree was looking for something pathetic. I think we've found it. Would you care to substantiate that with facts?
56 stlgph: This thread is amusing. So many making negative comments about this in this thread, yet all about supporting 'free capitalism' in other threads.
57 SuperCaravelle: Just to inform you: you don't have to gift Obama your gift. If you don't want to do it, don't. If you want to, go ahead, the possibility is created. I
58 Wolbo: Your right-wing extremist rants are most amusing. Completely silly, but amusing. Keep it up. But, ehm..... 'mouth-breeding hillbilly'? Are you sure a
59 mt99: Just to point out.. that that was NOT me who you are quoting. Generally i don't care - but on this case I dont want there to be any confusion.
60 casinterest: The GOP Right wing extremists are so convinced that the Government should be able to tell people who to marry, that they mistakenly believe that the n
61 aloges: By the way, thank you for bringing him up. Here's what he had to say about this very issue: http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mo...-june-25-2012/a-mi
62 Ken777: What are his policies? Basically he only has his time as Governor and Bain & Co that we can look at. As governor he led his state to 47th in job
63 bristolflyer: Why use his middle name? I think typically he goes by 'Barack Obama'.
64 DeltaMD90: Tell that to the people calling Romney "Willard." They won't acknowledge you at all. This name calling is kinda silly, just like this thread. I mean
65 mt99: Don't forget childish - yes i have done it too.... But wont the name in the Ballot be "Willard"? I head the term "WillardCare" today in reference to
67 DeltaMD90: Maybe the ballot will say that, IDK, but he's commonly referred to as Mitt / Romney / Mitt Romney, those calling him "Willard" are just poking fun at
68 soon7x7: It is amuzing considering Obama is the one against Free Capitalism. What he is doing is not capitalism...it is just stupid and unbecoming a President
69 bjorn14: Some couples ask their guest's gift be sent to charitable orgs like the Red Cross or the Humane Society but rarely if ever to a political candidate e
70 mt99: Are you against their right to choose to do so?
71 bjorn14: If a couple does it on their own (because we think it's a great cause, not because he asked me)......absolutely not. But to have the POTUS do it (and
72 casinterest: 1. it wasn't the POTUS. IT was a campaign manager 2. Tacky in politics? Really? Nothing is off limits for politics.
73 Mir: You compared it to the country's credit rating downgrade. So is that "a little tacky" as well, or were you using grossly inappropriate hyperbole? -Mi
74 bjorn14: Ir's still his campaign and he's ultimately responsible. This wasn't set up by some independent 3rd party.
75 casinterest: ' I see you avoided responding to point #2. Also why is #1 bad, Like I said before. It is politics. Romney gets a bunch of money from a casino magnet
76 Dreadnought: According to Opensecrets.org, for 2012 the Casino/gambling industry has donated more than 3 times more to Obama than to Romney. So what's your point?
77 Superfly: The labor unions that Steve Wynn employs are quite happy that they earn money off of " filling folks with booze and raking it in on folks ignorant of
78 casinterest: My point was that nothing is off limits in polotics, but that probably doesn't register with folks full of Faux Outrage from Faux News and Rush Limba
79 bjorn14: It's like upstaging the bride and groom on their special day. It's all about ME ME ME ME. He's like the drunk uncle at your wedding.
80 aloges: Nonsense. It would only be so if the campaigners went to the actual wedding and collected donations and presents. ...as virtually always in politics,
81 mt99: It is still the CHOICE of the bride and groom to participate in this idea. No one is forcing anyone to do anything.
82 DeltaMD90: Again, I think the campaign probably shouldn't have done this... looks bad to many people. That being said, there are people out there that might lik
83 Mir: No. The campaign should not let itself be held hostage by crazed ideologues who will find a way to get angry about anything at all. Those people are
84 DeltaMD90: You're right, it shouldn't. Unfortunately, it is. IDK, I would've gone about it a different way
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Non-profits and other organizations that fundraise do this ALL THE TIME. Complete non-story.
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