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Obama: "Give Me Your Gift." Pathetic  
User currently onlineGuitrThree From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2031 posts, RR: 8
Posted (1 year 9 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 3850 times:

I know a lot of you here think Obama's reelection is a lock. But this goes to show how much he is in trouble. At first, when I heard about this, I thought it was a joke. But no, Obama, on his website, is asking you to donate to his campaign not just giving by giving money yourself, but if you are buying a gift for someone else, like a wedding, birthday, or anniversary, instead of giving that person/persons a gift, you make a donation to Obama in their name instead.

Seriously, how pathetic is that? Wedding gifts are traditionally supposed to help new couples out by giving them things they can't afford at the moment to get their new life going. And Obama asks you not to do that, but give him the money.

I'm sorry, but this shows how (1) Narcissistic he is, (2) Out of touch he is, and (3) how desperate he is for money.

How anyone can defend this utter embarrassing begging for money is beyond me. I've never heard of this before and if someone did it in the past, well then they are on the same level. I don't care who they are.

Oh, the link:

http://www.barackobama.com/news/entr...twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter


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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10725 posts, RR: 38
Reply 1, posted (1 year 9 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 3835 times:

Quoting GuitrThree (Thread starter):
if you are buying a gift for someone else, like a wedding, birthday, or anniversary, instead of giving that person/persons a gift, you make a donation to Obama in their name instead.


Obama Campaign: Tell Your Wedding Guests to Send Us Money

Got a birthday, anniversary, or wedding coming up?
Let your friends know how important this election is to you—register with Obama 2012, and ask for a donation in lieu of a gift. It’s a great way to support the President on your big day.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Governm.../2012/06/22/Obama-wedding-registry

Can it get anymore desperate than this?

His campaign managers and close entourage must be nuts to accept to promote this kind of idea!!!!

  

[Edited 2012-06-23 06:43:40]


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User currently offlineltbewr From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 12878 posts, RR: 12
Reply 2, posted (1 year 9 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 3828 times:

Oh I can see the comedians and Republicans bashing this big time.

We have so badly twisted the 1st Amendment of Freedom of Speech, most recently with the infamous Citizens United Supreme Court decision, that the greedy need for money is well exceeding good taste and reason. Obama isn't getting any money from 'Wall Street' despite how much he continued to save their sorry asses continuing policies started by President Bush and not going after the criminals who got us in part into our sick economy.

I hope 1000's e-mail get sent to the campaign to say that this idea is just plain wrong, stupid and smells like desperation of the worst kind.


User currently offlinealoges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8616 posts, RR: 43
Reply 3, posted (1 year 9 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 3806 times:

Quoting GuitrThree (Thread starter):
Seriously, how pathetic is that?

It's for people who'd rather support a cause of theirs than receive yet more material gifts that they hardly need.

I don't know how common it is for one of those causes/campaigns to offer online registration of your event for that purpose, but seeing how money-centred both political campaigns and personal events have become (e.g. online bridal registries) I don't see an issue with this - it's in less bad taste than e.g. attack ads.

Quoting GuitrThree (Thread starter):
how desperate he is for money

His campaign is up against some of the wealthiest ranks of the American Upper Class (e.g. Sheldon Adelson) whose individual donations outclass even much-popularised fundraising dinners. It's an unpleasant, but well-known fact that money swings elections.



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39478 posts, RR: 75
Reply 4, posted (1 year 9 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 3781 times:

I'm speechless.
Just when you thought his narcissistic behavior couldn't get any worse.
What's next? A chance to win an ipod with speeches to remind us how great he is?
Or is that a special gift that only the Queen of England deserves?


Worth noting, Obama's campaign is now spending more money than it's taking in.
After all of his mudslinging against Romney and blaming everyone for all of the nation's problems, I have yet to hear him give us any reason to re-elect him. I have yet to hear of him boast of any accomplishments that his administration has achieved.

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/Rom...1/id/443033?s=al&promo_code=F435-1
From the article;
Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney surged ahead of President Barack Obama in fundraising for the first time last month — and a senior Obama adviser concedes that Obama will be the first incumbent president to be out-raised by his opponent.


Looks like Sarah Jessica Parker, Anna Wintour, George Clooney and other rich ...err.....99%ers will need to host more $40,000 a plate fundraisers to stay relevant.

Quoting ltbewr (Reply 2):
the infamous Citizens United Supreme Court decision

...and their infamous Hindenburg moment "Democracy died tonight!" It's done!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEwXa197uBU



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User currently offlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8711 posts, RR: 24
Reply 5, posted (1 year 9 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 3747 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 4):
Worth noting, Obama's campaign is now spending more money than it's taking in.

LOL, with the budget deficits he seems to love, why should anyone be surprised.

Quoting aloges (Reply 3):
His campaign is up against some of the wealthiest ranks of the American Upper Class (e.g. Sheldon Adelson) whose individual donations outclass even much-popularised fundraising dinners. It's an unpleasant, but well-known fact that money swings elections.

Excuse me, but who's fault is that? Obama in 2008 outspent the McCain by more than 2 to 1, breaking every campaign spending record in history. Can you blame the GOP for rising to the challenge?

And don't feel so sorry about Obama's fundraising. Hollywood alone could provide all the funding he needs. There are a number of Leftist Hollywood types worth as much or more than the Kochs or Adelson, not to mention Soros.



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User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21085 posts, RR: 56
Reply 6, posted (1 year 9 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 3742 times:

Quoting GuitrThree (Thread starter):
But no, Obama, on his website, is asking you to donate to his campaign not just giving by giving money yourself, but if you are buying a gift for someone else, like a wedding, birthday, or anniversary, instead of giving that person/persons a gift, you make a donation to Obama in their name instead.

No. Read it again. It's for you - if you would rather people donate to the campaign than give you a gift, you can ask them to, and they can. In no way are they asking you to give money to them instead of gifts to someone else.

Quoting aloges (Reply 3):
It's for people who'd rather support a cause of theirs than receive yet more material gifts that they hardly need.

   Non-profits and other organizations that fundraise do this ALL THE TIME. Complete non-story.

-Mir



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User currently offlineZANL188 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 3433 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 9 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 3736 times:
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Quoting aloges (Reply 3):
It's for people who'd rather support a cause of theirs than receive yet more material gifts that they hardly need.

Casts the Obama campaign in an elitist tint doesn't it??

Quoting Superfly (Reply 4):
Looks like Sarah Jessica Parker, Anna Wintour, George Clooney and other rich ...err.....99%ers will need to host more $40,000 a plate fundraisers to stay relevant.

That'll be the the day when us 99%ers can host $40K aplate fundraisers.... 



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User currently offlineStarAC17 From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 3333 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (1 year 9 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 3728 times:

Quoting GuitrThree (Thread starter):
I'm sorry, but this shows how (1) Narcissistic he is, (2) Out of touch he is, and (3) how desperate he is for money.

1 and 2 apply for all politicians especially in this race.

3) Is anyone surprised he is desperate for money, the Koch brothers alone might put in $400 million to try and defeat him. Money tends to win elections and Obama won in 2008 largely because he raised more money.



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User currently offlinewindy95 From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 2690 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (1 year 9 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 3717 times:

Quoting aloges (Reply 3):
His campaign is up against some of the wealthiest ranks of the American Upper Class (e.g. Sheldon Adelson) whose individual donations outclass even much-popularised fundraising dinners. It's an unpleasant, but well-known fact that money swings elections.

So when Obama outspent McCain 3 to 1 last election that was okay? Some of the well know billionaire supporters are Buffet, Soros, Winfrey, Diller, Eisner, Blank, Tisch, Lear, Pritsker and Geffen. Then toss in the Hollywood elite like George Clooney, Jeffrey Katzenberg, Steven Spielberg amongst the many. Then we can add Google chief executive Eric Schmidt , Google co-founder Larry Page, Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer, Financier Ken Griffin, leader of Chicago hedge fund Citadel.


Asking people for gift's like this campaign is now doing very low end. What a joke.



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User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21085 posts, RR: 56
Reply 10, posted (1 year 9 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 3676 times:

Quoting windy95 (Reply 9):
Asking people for gift's like this campaign is now doing very low end.

What, asking people for money is low end? Better tell the Romney campaign that as well, then.

-Mir



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User currently offlineFlighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 8200 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (1 year 9 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 3662 times:

Typical Obama: earning money is demonic. Taking money is angelic. Government must destroy the good situations so we can be more equal, the hard workers and the lazy.

I am reasonably liberal, but not destructively so.


User currently offlinealoges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8616 posts, RR: 43
Reply 12, posted (1 year 9 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 3634 times:

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 5):
Excuse me, but who's fault is that?

that of the voters, more precisely those swing voters that are swayed by expensive campaign items rather than issues

All the personal appearances, all the TV ads and all the phone calls that are supposed to sway people this or that way have to be paid for. To get noticed between the myriad of other (i.e. commercial) campaigns, a political candidate has to invest loads of money just like McDonald's, Pepsico and Citibank do. For a change to that, you could e.g. allot to each party a given and equal amount of airtime and/or ad space that has to be provided to them for free, barring them from purchasing any more... but I suppose that would be socialism, right?  

Anyway, if swing voters took or perhaps even had the time to ponder the promises of each candidate, those expensive campaigns would soon lose much of their meaning. And if you had fewer Olbermanns and Limbaughs, well... I can dream, can't I?

Quoting ZANL188 (Reply 7):
Casts the Obama campaign in an elitist tint doesn't it??

I don't think anyone could hope to become a senator, let alone run for reelection as President of the US, without being part of some sort of elite. It can be the financial elite (e.g. Romney), educational elite (e.g. Obama) or, as it were, an established elite (e.g. the Kennedy and Bush families). Essentially, you have to be part of some sort of network if you want to have a chance at a high political office.

Quoting windy95 (Reply 9):
So when Obama outspent McCain 3 to 1 last election that was okay?

That was then, this is now. Obama isn't going up against McCain and his supporters, he's challenged by Romney and his. And as I have just said, the ludicrous expenses for campaigns have never been a good thing.



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User currently offlinealoges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8616 posts, RR: 43
Reply 13, posted (1 year 9 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 3627 times:

Quoting Mir (Reply 6):
Non-profits and other organizations that fundraise do this ALL THE TIME. Complete non-story.

   exactly

Quoting Mir (Reply 10):
What, asking people for money is low end? Better tell the Romney campaign that as well, then.

as well as most other political campaigners   



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User currently offlinePyrex From Portugal, joined Aug 2005, 3791 posts, RR: 28
Reply 14, posted (1 year 9 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 3621 times:

Quoting ltbewr (Reply 2):
Oh I can see the comedians and Republicans bashing this big time.

No you won't, Comedy Central is in the bag for that hack. They had pure comedic gold in the Elizabeth Warren situation and nobody even touched it.

Quoting ltbewr (Reply 2):
We have so badly twisted the 1st Amendment of Freedom of Speech, most recently with the infamous Citizens United Supreme Court decision

Oh boy, here we go again... liberals having problems with the law treating media and non-media companies the same way. What is the value of the free print-space and air-time that Democrats get every single day?



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User currently offlinealoges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8616 posts, RR: 43
Reply 15, posted (1 year 9 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 3609 times:

Quoting Pyrex (Reply 14):
What is the value of the free print-space and air-time that Democrats get every single day?

What is the value of Fox News' commitment to the Republicans?



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User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6100 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (1 year 9 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 3598 times:

Well, as long as money in elections is not controlled, this will continue.

Here a presidential campaign must not cost more than 22 millions € per candidate or it's canceled. Somehow the candidates still manage to get their point across, make numerous meetings, travel across the country on a daily basis, in fact by election time people are quite tired of the show. I'm sure the same could be done in the US with, let's say, 200 millions $ per candidate.



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User currently offlineokie From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2851 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (1 year 9 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 3592 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 4):
After all of his mudslinging against Romney and blaming everyone for all of the nation's problems, I have yet to hear him give us any reason to re-elect him. I have yet to hear of him boast of any accomplishments that his administration has achieved.

Looks like "Unemployment is Not Working"  Wow!

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User currently offlineseb146 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 11122 posts, RR: 15
Reply 18, posted (1 year 9 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 3576 times:

unbelievable...

All these people think Obama is evil for asking his own citizens for campaign contributions are the exact same people who are fine with multi-national corporations giving billions of dollars to decide the outcome of our elections.

un-freakin-believable....



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User currently offlineKen777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 8044 posts, RR: 8
Reply 19, posted (1 year 9 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 3569 times:

Quoting GuitrThree (Thread starter):
you make a donation to Obama in their name instead.

I know a few Obama haters (and I know the main reason why they hate him) so it might be fun to send a few dollars in their names.   

Quoting GuitrThree (Thread starter):
I'm sorry, but this shows how (1) Narcissistic he is, (2) Out of touch he is, and (3) how desperate he is for money.

Actually it shows people on his fund rasing team thinking of everything they can - just like Willard's team. No big deal.

Quoting aloges (Reply 3):
His campaign is up against some of the wealthiest ranks of the American Upper Class (e.g. Sheldon Adelson) whose individual donations outclass even much-popularised fundraising dinners.

Think I recently read that Sheldon had given $10 Million and was prepared to go to $100 Million. I wonder what $100 Million buys you at the White House.  

At the other end of the spectrum, WIllard is having big money fly into Utah on their private jets for afternoon tea. There might be some political discussions and some money pledged, but (of course) there will be great care to keep the campaign independent of the SuperPACs. Which is probably why Carl Rove is there.   


User currently offlinePyrex From Portugal, joined Aug 2005, 3791 posts, RR: 28
Reply 20, posted (1 year 9 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 3552 times:

Quoting aloges (Reply 15):
What is the value of Fox News' commitment to the Republicans?

On aggregate, a lot less than the combined commitment of most of the media to the Democratic party.



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User currently offlinealoges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8616 posts, RR: 43
Reply 21, posted (1 year 9 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 3541 times:

Quoting Pyrex (Reply 20):
On aggregate, a lot less than the combined commitment of most of the media to the Democratic party.

I would be interested in your detailed analysis which backs this statement up.



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User currently offlinebristolflyer From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 2270 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (1 year 9 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 3511 times:

Quoting GuitrThree (Thread starter):
Wedding gifts are traditionally supposed to help new couples out by giving them things they can't afford at the moment to get their new life going

Yeah, think about those poor, poor people who Obama is stealing money from.  

'Traditionally' is the key word. Many people nowadays (including myself) have lived by themselves and marry someone who has also lived by themselves, therefore having most things they need (and even duplicates of those things). Charitable donations aren't out of the ordinary, and a donation to a political fund isn't unthinkable.

If I was to tell you that a republican had previously done this then I don't think you'd be so vocal about it.



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User currently offlinePyrex From Portugal, joined Aug 2005, 3791 posts, RR: 28
Reply 23, posted (1 year 9 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 3483 times:

Quoting aloges (Reply 21):
I would be interested in your detailed analysis which backs this statement up.

I know you liberals feel threatened by the success of Fox News (or as you like to call it, "the one who got away"), but let me sure I get this straight: are you actually suggesting that whatever free airtime Republicans get on Fox News is more valuable than the free airtime Democrats get on CNN/NBC/ABC/CBS/Comedy Central/etc. and the free print-space they get on the NYT/Washington Post/Los Angeles Times/etc.? I know the ratings of MSNBC are woeful, but still...



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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 6942 posts, RR: 18
Reply 24, posted (1 year 9 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 3478 times:

Quoting GuitrThree (Thread starter):
I know a lot of you here think Obama's reelection is a lock.

Actually I don't; if Romney picks Rubio for Veep i'd say Barack Hussein Obama is in the soup.

Quoting GuitrThree (Thread starter):
but if you are buying a gift for someone else, like a wedding, birthday, or anniversary, instead of giving that person/persons a gift, you make a donation to Obama in their name instead.

Seriously, how pathetic is that?

Pretty pathetic. Obama really doesn't understand why people buy stuff in the first place. Explains why the economy is STILL down.

Quoting GuitrThree (Thread starter):
(1) Narcissistic he is, (2) Out of touch he is, and (3) how desperate he is for money.

1) Add "always talking out of his ass" to that.
2) Again, my very point. The economy sucks because people don't have the confidence to spend anymore. People are (STILL!) buying cars at a rate of once every 15 years according to a study (google it). People are worried about the future, ESPECIALLY with our debt.
3) they spent more last month than they made.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 4):
Looks like Sarah Jessica Parker, Anna Wintour, George Clooney and other rich ...err.....99%ers will need to host more $40,000 a plate fundraisers to stay relevant.

They've raised more than that! hypocrites   

Quoting Pyrex (Reply 23):

   Spot-on. Because Fox is the only news corp that is actually leaning right rather than sensationalist far left, they get all of the shit for it.



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User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21085 posts, RR: 56
Reply 25, posted (1 year 9 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 3568 times:

Quoting Pyrex (Reply 23):
are you actually suggesting that whatever free airtime Republicans get on Fox News is more valuable than the free airtime Democrats get on CNN/NBC/ABC/CBS/Comedy Central/etc. and the free print-space they get on the NYT/Washington Post/Los Angeles Times/etc.?

How many times do we hear that Fox kills all the other networks in terms of viewers and advertising revenue, and how print media is a dead medium? If we're going to use that as a standard for determining value (and it's certainly a viable standard, though there are others), then perhaps.

-Mir



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User currently offlinemt99 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 6545 posts, RR: 6
Reply 26, posted (1 year 9 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 3536 times:
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Quoting GuitrThree (Thread starter):
I know a lot of you here think Obama's reelection is a lock.

I thought that was the case at one point. Now i don't know. Money talks, this time GOP has the bullhorn (thanks to the fact that "corporations are people'")

The thing is that i would be OK with Romney presidency from a puerilely economical standpoint. Unfortunately he panders to religious groups that directly threaten my way of life, and that is something that makes me forcefully rebut his bid for the presidency.

I tend to agree with Obamas economic leanings, however i do not think that Romney economic policies would necessarily be bad for the country.

[Edited 2012-06-23 11:50:24]


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User currently offlinecasinterest From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4157 posts, RR: 2
Reply 27, posted (1 year 9 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 3555 times:

Quoting GuitrThree (Thread starter):
How anyone can defend this utter embarrassing begging for money is beyond me. I've never heard of this before and if someone did it in the past, well then they are on the same level. I don't care who they are.

You really don't follow politics do you?

They leave no stone unturned. And to be honest with Mitt's downright "traditional" values, I would imagine quite a few couples that have gotten married, including Cheney's daughter, might find this to be a worthwhile gift in order to prevernt the kind of Social Engineering the GOP has planned out.

But go ahead an believe it is a horrible thing, at the end of the day, the 2500 dollar gift max is still a gift no one gets back from politicians, unless promises are made.



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39478 posts, RR: 75
Reply 28, posted (1 year 9 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 3551 times:

How about all of those wealthy movie stars such as Ashton Kutcher that took a "pledge" to support Obama?

(I wish this was a paradoy but it's not)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pTQawLBC59g



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User currently offlineAloha717200 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4429 posts, RR: 15
Reply 29, posted (1 year 9 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 3509 times:

Jesus...despite my support of Obama this is one of the most lame-brained embarrassing things I've ever seen on a campaign website. Just pathetic.

I'm voting for Obama because I support ACA, gay marriage, and his position on student loans. Aside from that? He's embarrassing.


User currently offlinealoges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8616 posts, RR: 43
Reply 30, posted (1 year 9 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 3448 times:

Quoting Pyrex (Reply 23):
I know you liberals feel threatened

In other words: you've got nothing... I suppose you even count the airtime that Democrats get in their functions as government officials as "Democratic" airtime.

Oh, by the way, I don't feel threatened - and most definitely not by Fox News.   

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 24):
Because Fox is the only news corp that is actually leaning right rather than sensationalist far left, they get all of the shit for it.

Cumulus Media would like a word with you.



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User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21085 posts, RR: 56
Reply 31, posted (1 year 9 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 3422 times:

Quoting Aloha717200 (Reply 29):
Jesus...despite my support of Obama this is one of the most lame-brained embarrassing things I've ever seen on a campaign website.

Why? Because the campaign is saying "hey, if you know people are going to give you stuff you don't want or need, why not offer them the opportunity to make a donation on your behalf instead?" Because they're doing something that other organizations do every day and nobody has a problem with it?

It is absolutely mind-blowing that this is even an issue.

-Mir



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User currently onlineGuitrThree From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2031 posts, RR: 8
Reply 32, posted (1 year 9 months 4 weeks ago) and read 3345 times:

Quoting Mir (Reply 6):
No. Read it again. It's for you - if you would rather people donate to the campaign than give you a gift, you can ask them to, and they can. In no way are they asking you to give money to them instead of gifts to someone else.

yea.. I went back and reread what I wrote. Poor way of expaining it. Will do better in the future. But still, he IS asking the person who is supposed to be getting the gift to give it to him. That's why I wrote the title like I did.

Quoting bristolflyer (Reply 22):
If I was to tell you that a republican had previously done this then I don't think you'd be so vocal about it.

Problem is, you can't. So let's not go into fantasy land about what I would or wouldn't do.

Quoting casinterest (Reply 27):
You really don't follow politics do you?

Yea. You're right. I just really spend my time following the fate of Lindsey Lohan and the Kardashians. Funny how I found to the time to post such a poltically filled subject when all I do is watch American Idol.

Quoting Mir (Reply 31):
It is absolutely mind-blowing that this is even an issue.

It's an issue because it's a joke. Think about it. If I, as the person giving the gift really believes that Obama is the one I'm going to donate to him, AND because I'm a good person, I'm STILL going to give a gift to the person intended to do. I'm not for one second going to go cheap on my friend and use his/her present to make my donation. Sorry. Let's put it another way..

"Hi, I'm Barack Obama. And while I know the economy isn't back, and I know jobs are still suffering, and I know the housing market it still in the tank, why don't you instead of getting the stuff you need for your life or a little cash for your honeymoon, you ask someone to give it to me, so I can still continue to play golf every week, my wife can kids still can vacation every other month, and I still can host parties at the White House every week at the tax payers expense. You don't need that honeymoon or pots and pans or even an emergency fund for those rough first years. No, give it to me so Michelle and I can continue to live our life as if we are Royalty."

THAT'S exactly what he is saying. Sorry. But, again, PATHETIC. What a freakin loser. I can't wait until Nov 6th when this country finally has a leader that looks out for us, and not himself.



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User currently offlineWestJet747 From Canada, joined Aug 2011, 1776 posts, RR: 10
Reply 33, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 3326 times:

Yeah it's especially awful the part where he mandates that all Americans donate to his campaign!!!

Oh wait...that's not what it says?! Which leads me to my view on this issue: Why are you guys so upset? Politicians ask for money all the time. Just because his campaign managers/marketing team (let's have a moment of clarity here, it obviously wasn't Obama's direct orders to suggest this) decided to try and ask (beg?) in a more creative manner, it shouldn't result in an uproar.

Personally, I laughed when I saw it, because there is no way in hell I would ever ask my guests to donate to a politician of any party. Those donations are better spent on the SPCA/Heart & Stroke Foundation/Make-A-Wish Foundation/[insert charity here].

As I've seen in most U.S. political threads here, A-netters are increasingly ragging on Obama for more pointless crap. There are better reasons to hate a politician, for example: the economy is too slow to recover, unemployment is too high, they are introducing bills that don't benefit enough citizens, etc. To me it's more pathetic that people actually care how he asks (begs) for donations...

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 24):
Because Fox is the only news corp that is actually leaning right rather than sensationalist far left

Come on Zach...Fox is as sensationally right as MSNBC is sensationally left. "Leaning" is far too generous a term.



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User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21085 posts, RR: 56
Reply 34, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 3325 times:

Quoting GuitrThree (Reply 32):
But still, he IS asking the person who is supposed to be getting the gift to give it to him.

You don't support them having that option? Whatever happened to personal economic freedom?

-Mir



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User currently offlinekellmark From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 683 posts, RR: 8
Reply 35, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 3253 times:

He obviously needs the money badly. 100 times playing golf and not one but two airplanes to Martha's Vineyard. 4 million dollars for his Hawaii vacation. He is obviously suffering.

We must support that lifestyle and his campaign, as he has done so much for us.

He has worked hard to give us fewer jobs, lower income, 5 trillion dollars more debt and millions more of us on food stamps. While he rails against the "One Percenters", he goes to them privately and begs them for cash.

He has done more fundraisers than the last 4-5 presidents combined. He does as many as six in one day. Air Force One must be getting more daily hours than one of the low cost carrier's B737s. And we pay for it. No wonder he is so tired he cannot deal with the country's problems.

Now he wants young couples just trying to start a new life in a difficult economy which he has made worse to give him money. Many people can't get married because they don't have jobs. Others, who are getting married, can't afford a place of their own because they don't have enough money. And celebrate our birthdays by giving him money? A lot of people don't see too much to celebrate on their birthdays either these days.

And while he drones on about "fairness", he takes billions of our tax money, which the country does not have and gives it to his cronies, who in turn give him money for his campaign. Corruption and favoritism at its worst.

IMHO, he should have to give back to us the money that he wasted. And he should apologize to the country for his total failure.


User currently offlineseb146 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 11122 posts, RR: 15
Reply 36, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 3224 times:

Quoting kellmark (Reply 35):
give us fewer jobs

Even though we have gained back all the jobs lost under Bush.

Quoting kellmark (Reply 35):
lower income

Because of the jobs lost under Bush, companies are now able to hire at lower wages.

Quoting kellmark (Reply 35):
5 trillion dollars more debt

By putting all war spending on budget and having the lowest income levels in decades thanks to "Don't tax the job creators!"

Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 33):
Why are you guys so upset?

It's Obama. No one said one word, not one peep, when it was Romney, Paul, Perry, Bachmann, Gingrich doing it.

Quoting Pyrex (Reply 20):
On aggregate, a lot less than the combined commitment of most of the media to the Democratic party.

Like the entire AM dial and most of the FM dial?



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User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21085 posts, RR: 56
Reply 37, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 3164 times:

Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 33):
there is no way in hell I would ever ask my guests to donate to a politician of any party.

I wouldn't do it either, but I see nothing wrong with the campaign offering the option to people who might want to. And as you said, lots of other charities do it.

Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 33):
To me it's more pathetic that people actually care how he asks (begs) for donations...

   It really does boggle the mind.

Quoting kellmark (Reply 35):
Now he wants young couples just trying to start a new life in a difficult economy which he has made worse to give him money.

And Romney doesn't want those people to give him money? I didn't see anything on the Romney campaign website to the effect of "if you're a young newly-wed, you should probably keep your money - you need it more than we do".

-Mir



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User currently onlinevikkyvik From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 9395 posts, RR: 27
Reply 38, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 3160 times:
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Quoting kellmark (Reply 35):
Now he wants young couples just trying to start a new life in a difficult economy which he has made worse to give him money. Many people can't get married because they don't have jobs. Others, who are getting married, can't afford a place of their own because they don't have enough money. And celebrate our birthdays by giving him money? A lot of people don't see too much to celebrate on their birthdays either these days.

I won't claim that I like this idea, nor would I EVER take part in it, being pretty apolitical and not interested in possibly offending wedding guests; but really, let's call this what it is:

They're saying: "hey, if you don't need wedding gifts, and you are passionate about supporting the Obama campaign, how about asking your guests to donate in your name?"

They're NOT saying: "hey, instead of gifts that you may need, have your guests donate to Obama's campaign! After all, nothing is more important than 4 more years of a democrat in the White House!"

But don't let me get in the way of all the pointless arguing about a non-issue!



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User currently offlinemt99 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 6545 posts, RR: 6
Reply 39, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 3061 times:
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I guess that this is more acceptable:


1927 Port? really.. is that the best that Willard has? Pathetic..

"At a private retreat this weekend, major Romney campaign donors quaffed 1927 Port they'd brought in for the occasion, mingled in the lobby of a posh resort called the Chateaux at Silver Lake and watched an aerial display of Olympic ski jumpers.


http://www.latimes.com/news/nationwo...ey-donors-20120624,0,2505469.story



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User currently offlineslider From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6661 posts, RR: 35
Reply 40, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2821 times:

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 5):
Excuse me, but who's fault is that? Obama in 2008 outspent the McCain by more than 2 to 1, breaking every campaign spending record in history. Can you blame the GOP for rising to the challenge?

Funny how the left squawks now that the shoe is on the other foot. Many people in this country are angry--at Obama's deliberate transformation of the economy--they're embarrassed for having voted for him earlier perhaps and the right is mobilized, enthusiastic and keyed up to bounce the chosen one from office, even if they're not excited about Romey per se. We saw what happened in WI with the left screaming about money---funny how that knife only cuts one way huh?

Quoting windy95 (Reply 9):
So when Obama outspent McCain 3 to 1 last election that was okay? Some of the well know billionaire supporters are Buffet, Soros, Winfrey, Diller, Eisner, Blank, Tisch, Lear, Pritsker and Geffen. Then toss in the Hollywood elite like George Clooney, Jeffrey Katzenberg, Steven Spielberg amongst the many. Then we can add Google chief executive Eric Schmidt , Google co-founder Larry Page, Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer, Financier Ken Griffin, leader of Chicago hedge fund Citadel.


Asking people for gift's like this campaign is now doing very low end. What a joke.

Good roll call there. And let's NOT forget the entire union industry which has been nothing more than a fundraising mechanism for the Democratic Party.

Quoting Flighty (Reply 11):
Typical Obama: earning money is demonic. Taking money is angelic.

That's so perfectly stated--it really is!

Quoting Aesma (Reply 16):
Well, as long as money in elections is not controlled, this will continue.

If we had a non-biased mainstream media, that might be possible....but until then, it can't and won't happen.


User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6100 posts, RR: 9
Reply 41, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 2768 times:

I don't see what the media has to do with it, or do you mean that the media will be against the idea ? Because it gets them a lot of money, maybe ?

Non-biased media doesn't exist anywhere, anyway. As long as you have freedom of information, there will be medias biased in all directions, and that's the best you can get.



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User currently offlineaa757first From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3345 posts, RR: 8
Reply 42, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 2771 times:

Not an Obama supporter, but so what? Here's an entire website dedicated to such people: https://www.justgive.org/registries/wedding . I also can't recall ever donating to a charity that didn't ask me if my donation was a gift or in memorial to someone. My mom sometimes specifically requests that my sister and I make a donation to a charity instead of buying something for her since she's fortunate enough to be able to buy nearly anything she wants for herself.

To be honest, I think it's a good idea.


User currently offlinemt99 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 6545 posts, RR: 6
Reply 43, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 2752 times:
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Quoting slider (Reply 40):
So when Obama outspent McCain 3 to 1 last election that was okay? Some of the well know billionaire supporters are Buffet, Soros, Winfrey, Diller, Eisner, Blank, Tisch, Lear, Pritsker and Geffen. Then toss in the Hollywood elite like George Clooney, Jeffrey Katzenberg, Steven Spielberg amongst the many. Then we can add Google chief executive Eric Schmidt , Google co-founder Larry Page, Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer, Financier Ken Griffin, leader of Chicago hedge fund Citadel.


Asking people for gift's like this campaign is now doing very low end. What a joke.

Good roll call there.

Thats the difference. That you CAN name them - now with the Super PAC you cannot do the same. As Presidential History Footnote John McCain has awknolegded that money outside the US has entered Super PACs.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/politi...s/2012/06/15/gJQAFirPfV_story.html



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User currently offlinetommy767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6584 posts, RR: 11
Reply 44, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 2685 times:

Honestly I'm not surprised. He's trying to make this election emotional like it was in 2008. Well hope and change didn't work so now he's moved onto more desperate tactics.

I didn't believe in his garbage back in 2008, I DEFINITELY won't believe in it in 2012. I didn't vote in 2008. And although Romney might not be the best answer, I just want our economy back on track. He has a more concrete plan than Obama to do so. Too many people are miserable being unemployed, and just as many people are miserable being employed with crap jobs and nowhere else to go.



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User currently offlinesoon7x7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 45, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 2680 times:

Good!..."never interrupt your adversary while he is making an ass of himself"...keep it up Obama, you and Mr. Holder, both of whom have made a mockery of the US government hopefully will not even be history...you will just be a terrible moment in Americas past. "Send me your Wedding Gift money"?...what a jerk. That is copy for a Saturday night Live episode.   

User currently offlinePyrex From Portugal, joined Aug 2005, 3791 posts, RR: 28
Reply 46, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 2683 times:

Quoting mt99 (Reply 43):
money outside the US has entered Super PACs.

Well, considering the vast majority of foreigners ignorant about the U.S. only know the country for what they see in movies and sitcoms and are thus rabidly pro-Obama that should make you happy.



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User currently offlinemt99 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 6545 posts, RR: 6
Reply 47, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 2684 times:
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Quoting Pyrex (Reply 46):
Well, considering the vast majority of foreigners ignorant about the U.S. only know the country for what they see in movies and sitcoms and are thus rabidly pro-Obama that should make you happy.

Hmm .. you better inform Sen McCain then.. because he think otherwise. Do you need his email?


WASHINGTON — Sen. John McCain said in an interview posted online Friday that “foreign money” was helping fellow Republican Mitt Romney’s presidential hopes and singled out one of his ally’s most generous supporters.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politi...s/2012/06/15/gJQAFirPfV_story.html

[Edited 2012-06-25 20:26:41]


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User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21085 posts, RR: 56
Reply 48, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 2665 times:

Quoting aa757first (Reply 42):
Not an Obama supporter, but so what? Here's an entire website dedicated to such people: https://www.justgive.org/registries/wedding .

Thank you for not being blinded by the hate and still being able to think logically. You're one of the few.   

-Mir



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User currently offlinealoges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8616 posts, RR: 43
Reply 49, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 2639 times:

Quoting Pyrex (Reply 46):
Well, considering the vast majority of foreigners ignorant about the U.S. only know the country for what they see in movies and sitcoms and are thus rabidly pro-Obama that should make you happy.

How do movies and sitcoms automatically turn people into Obama supporters?



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User currently offlineMax Q From United States of America, joined May 2001, 4067 posts, RR: 19
Reply 50, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 2627 times:

Quoting seb146 (Reply 18):
unbelievable...

All these people think Obama is evil for asking his own citizens for campaign contributions are the exact same people who are fine with multi-national corporations giving billions of dollars to decide the outcome of our elections.

un-freakin-believable....

Well said.



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User currently offlinesoon7x7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 51, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2569 times:

Quoting seb146 (Reply 18):
All these people think Obama is evil for asking his own citizens for campaign contributions are the exact same people who are fine with multi-national corporations giving billions of dollars to decide the outcome of our elections.

un-freakin-believable....

Like Jeff Immelt, Obama's "Jobs Czar?"...GE in the pocket of the US goverment, or the US government in the pocket of GE?...either way you slice it, bothe are wrong and neither go to serve the general publics interest, which buy the way is the point of a Government. While I don't believe Obama is an Evil man, he is the wrong man and Multi- National corporations should stick to the art of business, not politics.


User currently offlineus330 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 3840 posts, RR: 14
Reply 52, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2556 times:

Quoting GuitrThree (Reply 32):
"Hi, I'm Barack Obama. And while I know the economy isn't back, and I know jobs are still suffering, and I know the housing market it still in the tank, why don't you instead of getting the stuff you need for your life or a little cash for your honeymoon, you ask someone to give it to me, so I can still continue to play golf every week, my wife can kids still can vacation every other month, and I still can host parties at the White House every week at the tax payers expense. You don't need that honeymoon or pots and pans or even an emergency fund for those rough first years. No, give it to me so Michelle and I can continue to live our life as if we are Royalty."THAT'S exactly what he is saying. Sorry. But, again, PATHETIC. What a freakin loser. I can't wait until Nov 6th when this country finally has a leader that looks out for us, and not himself.

I'm reasonably certain that federal laws prevent the use of campaign contributions for non-campaign purposes (that was one of the issues that led to John Edwards' downfall and his subsequent trial). You can criticize him for wasting taxpayer funds on various junkets (ie Michelle's various trips), but don't falsely criticize the guy for stuff that he didn't do.

This is a tempest in a tea pot--its just fundraising--what Obama is trying to do is recapture some of the grassroots, youthful energy that led to him winning the 2008 election. It's no different than Mitt trying to solicit the republican base for money. Save the self-righteous outrage so prevalent on this thread for issues that actually require it.


User currently offlinePyrex From Portugal, joined Aug 2005, 3791 posts, RR: 28
Reply 53, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2535 times:

Quoting aloges (Reply 49):
How do movies and sitcoms automatically turn people into Obama supporters?

Europeans are just as ignorant about the U.S. as they claim Americans are about Europe (or as Coastal Americans are about their own country). They watch Jon Stewart and all the other shows created by the inbred L.A./NY clique and automatically assume everyone who lives more than 60 miles away from either ocean is a mouth-breeding hillbilly. They are completely unaware of the concept of personal responsibility, as that has been pounded away from the brain of people there, and so they believe the image that Republicans are all greedy rich people (never mind the fact that ~50% of the people in the U.S. vote Republican, which defies that principle).



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User currently offlinemt99 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 6545 posts, RR: 6
Reply 54, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2509 times:
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Quoting Pyrex (Reply 53):
Europeans are just as ignorant about the U.S. as they claim Americans are about Europe (or as Coastal Americans are about their own country). They watch Jon Stewart and all the other shows created by the inbred L.A./NY clique and automatically assume everyone who lives more than 60 miles away from either ocean is a mouth-breeding hillbilly. They are completely unaware of the concept of personal responsibility, as that has been pounded away from the brain of people there, and so they believe the image that Republicans are all greedy rich people (never mind the fact that ~50% of the people in the U.S. vote Republican, which defies that principle).

So how do you explain the link that you ignored? Qouted below for your convenience:

Quoting mt99 (Reply 47):
WASHINGTON — Sen. John McCain said in an interview posted online Friday that “foreign money” was helping fellow Republican Mitt Romney’s presidential hopes and singled out one of his ally’s most generous supporters.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politi...s/2012/06/15/gJQAFirPfV_story.html



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User currently offlinealoges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8616 posts, RR: 43
Reply 55, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2499 times:

Quoting Pyrex (Reply 53):
shows created by the inbred L.A./NY clique

GuitrThree was looking for something pathetic. I think we've found it.

Quoting Pyrex (Reply 53):
Europeans are (...) completely unaware of the concept of personal responsibility

Would you care to substantiate that with facts?



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User currently offlinestlgph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9235 posts, RR: 26
Reply 56, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2461 times:

This thread is amusing.


So many making negative comments about this in this thread, yet all about supporting 'free capitalism' in other threads.



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User currently offlineSuperCaravelle From Netherlands, joined Jan 2012, 224 posts, RR: 0
Reply 57, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2457 times:

Just to inform you: you don't have to gift Obama your gift. If you don't want to do it, don't. If you want to, go ahead, the possibility is created.

Isn't that what the US is about? Freedom of choice? Instead of badmouthing everything that you think is a bad idea?
Disclaimer: I am in many ways an admirer of the American society (in many other ways I'm not, though), and I just want to warn you that in the Netherlands, everything that isn't of use to you personally is blamed for all problems. I see this as a bit of the same thing, and I can tell you, I do think Dutch society is on a downhill slide. We've never been less confident, we've never been more blaming. The point being: ideas are ideas, and you have the choice of liking them or not. But if you don't like something, it is not immediately pathetic, left-wing or poor vs rich.

[Edited 2012-06-26 08:44:17]

User currently offlineWolbo From Netherlands, joined Mar 2007, 476 posts, RR: 1
Reply 58, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2441 times:

Quoting mt99 (Reply 54):
Europeans are just as ignorant about the U.S. as they claim Americans are about Europe (or as Coastal Americans are about their own country). They watch Jon Stewart and all the other shows created by the inbred L.A./NY clique and automatically assume everyone who lives more than 60 miles away from either ocean is a mouth-breeding hillbilly. They are completely unaware of the concept of personal responsibility, as that has been pounded away from the brain of people there, and so they believe the image that Republicans are all greedy rich people (never mind the fact that ~50% of the people in the U.S. vote Republican, which defies that principle).

Your right-wing extremist rants are most amusing. Completely silly, but amusing. Keep it up.   

But, ehm..... 'mouth-breeding hillbilly'? Are you sure about that?


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Reply 59, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2435 times:
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Quoting Wolbo (Reply 58):
Your right-wing extremist rants are most amusing. Completely silly, but amusing. Keep it up.

But, ehm..... 'mouth-breeding hillbilly'? Are you sure about that?

Just to point out.. that that was NOT me who you are quoting. Generally i don't care - but on this case I dont want there to be any confusion.



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User currently offlinecasinterest From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4157 posts, RR: 2
Reply 60, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2435 times:

The GOP Right wing extremists are so convinced that the Government should be able to tell people who to marry, that they mistakenly believe that the new laws will also be written to Guarantee mandatory donations to the political party of those getting married.


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User currently offlinealoges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8616 posts, RR: 43
Reply 61, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2408 times:

Quoting Pyrex (Reply 53):
They watch Jon Stewart

By the way, thank you for bringing him up. Here's what he had to say about this very issue:

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mo...-june-25-2012/a-mittful-of-dollars (skip to 2:30 if you wish)

If that is the sort of admiration and worship that Obama can expect from

Quoting Pyrex (Reply 53):
the inbred L.A./NY clique

he is in more trouble than even you thought.  



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User currently offlineKen777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 8044 posts, RR: 8
Reply 62, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2393 times:

Quoting mt99 (Reply 26):
however i do not think that Romney economic policies would necessarily be bad for the country.

What are his policies? Basically he only has his time as Governor and Bain & Co that we can look at.

As governor he led his state to 47th in job creation.

At Bain he never passed up cutting jobs to fill his pockets.

Quoting Pyrex (Reply 23):
I know you liberals feel threatened by the success of Fox News

I could care less about Fox. I can go to CNN and see both parties represented in discussion panels and both sides being given equal respect. I can go to MSNBC and see Mike Steele having a reasonable discussion with Maddow.

I go to Fox and it seems that Rush is writing the scripts. I'll pass.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 24):
if Romney picks Rubio for Veep i'd say Barack Hussein Obama is in the soup.

Sort of like McCain who picked a cutie? McCain's Cutie didn't hold up very well. It will be interesting to see if Willard's Cutie can last as long.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 24):
retty pathetic. Obama really doesn't understand why people buy stuff in the first place.

I think Obama understands the bit about the 3 toasters at a wedding shower. And I believe that he is far closer tot he middle class consumer than the $20+ Million A Year opponent. Can you see Willard going to, say, the grocery store?

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 24):
Because Fox is the only news corp that is actually leaning right rather than sensationalist far left, they get all of the shit for it.

Fox does what they are told to do, just like the "journalists" who were tapping phones in the UK.

Quoting us330 (Reply 52):
This is a tempest in a tea pot--its just fundraising

Sort of like Willard having the big money fly into Utah last weekend. Bit of fundraising and co-ordination between the SuperPacs & Campaign folks.


User currently offlinebristolflyer From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 2270 posts, RR: 0
Reply 63, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2373 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 24):
Actually I don't; if Romney picks Rubio for Veep i'd say Barack Hussein Obama is in the soup.

Why use his middle name? I think typically he goes by 'Barack Obama'.



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User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7276 posts, RR: 52
Reply 64, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2366 times:

Quoting bristolflyer (Reply 63):
Quoting PHX787 (Reply 24):
Actually I don't; if Romney picks Rubio for Veep i'd say Barack Hussein Obama is in the soup.

Why use his middle name? I think typically he goes by 'Barack Obama'.

Tell that to the people calling Romney "Willard." They won't acknowledge you at all. This name calling is kinda silly, just like this thread. I mean I probably wouldn't have worded the fundraiser this if I was running the President's campaign, just sounds bad IMO, but it's fundraising just like every political campaign.



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User currently offlinemt99 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 6545 posts, RR: 6
Reply 65, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2360 times:
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Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 64):
. This name calling is kinda silly,

Don't forget childish - yes i have done it too.... But wont the name in the Ballot be "Willard"?

I head the term "WillardCare" today in reference to MA Healthcare system. It definitely has a nice upscale sound...



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User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21085 posts, RR: 56
Reply 66, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2362 times:

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 64):
This name calling is kinda silly

Then why engage in it?

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User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7276 posts, RR: 52
Reply 67, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2364 times:

Quoting mt99 (Reply 65):

Maybe the ballot will say that, IDK, but he's commonly referred to as Mitt / Romney / Mitt Romney, those calling him "Willard" are just poking fun at his name in the same way people include "Hussein" in the President's name. And they are often the ones getting mad at one side doing it and doing it themselves!

Quoting Mir (Reply 66):
Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 64):
This name calling is kinda silly

Then why engage in it?

I don't. I refer to the President as "President" or "President Obama" (even capitalizing the P) but sometimes I forget and just say "Obama." No need to make fun of names. I'm trying to call out the people doing that... I didn't think too much of it until I saw some certain posters accuse other posters of racism/xenophobia for mentioning the Presidents full, "foreign sounding" name then calling Romney "Willard." Pure hypocrisy at best.



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User currently offlinesoon7x7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 68, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2202 times:

Quoting stlgph (Reply 56):
So many making negative comments about this in this thread, yet all about supporting 'free capitalism' in other threads.

It is amuzing considering Obama is the one against Free Capitalism. What he is doing is not capitalism...it is just stupid and unbecoming a President...(which he really is not)...


User currently offlinebjorn14 From Norway, joined Feb 2010, 3273 posts, RR: 2
Reply 69, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2107 times:

Quoting Mir (Reply 6):
Non-profits and other organizations that fundraise do this ALL THE TIME. Complete non-story.
Quoting aloges (Reply 13):
exactly

Some couples ask their guest's gift be sent to charitable orgs like the Red Cross or the Humane Society but rarely if ever to a political candidate especially to a national political candidate. Obama is a again breaking new ground just like the Triple A credit rating.



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User currently offlinemt99 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 6545 posts, RR: 6
Reply 70, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2100 times:
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Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 69):
Some couples ask their guest's gift be sent to charitable orgs like the Red Cross or the Humane Society but rarely if ever to a political candidate especially to a national political candidate

Are you against their right to choose to do so?



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User currently offlinebjorn14 From Norway, joined Feb 2010, 3273 posts, RR: 2
Reply 71, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2086 times:

Quoting mt99 (Reply 70):
Are you against their right to choose to do so?

If a couple does it on their own (because we think it's a great cause, not because he asked me)......absolutely not. But to have the POTUS do it (and set up his own gift registry) is a little tacky.



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User currently offlinecasinterest From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4157 posts, RR: 2
Reply 72, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2084 times:

Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 71):
But to have the POTUS do it (and set up his own gift registry) is a little tacky.

1. it wasn't the POTUS. IT was a campaign manager
2. Tacky in politics? Really? Nothing is off limits for politics.



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User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21085 posts, RR: 56
Reply 73, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2076 times:

Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 71):

If a couple does it on their own (because we think it's a great cause, not because he asked me)......absolutely not. But to have the POTUS do it (and set up his own gift registry) is a little tacky.

You compared it to the country's credit rating downgrade. So is that "a little tacky" as well, or were you using grossly inappropriate hyperbole?

-Mir



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User currently offlinebjorn14 From Norway, joined Feb 2010, 3273 posts, RR: 2
Reply 74, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 1903 times:

Quoting casinterest (Reply 72):
1. it wasn't the POTUS. IT was a campaign manager

Ir's still his campaign and he's ultimately responsible. This wasn't set up by some independent 3rd party.



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User currently offlinecasinterest From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4157 posts, RR: 2
Reply 75, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 1896 times:

Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 74):
Ir's still his campaign and he's ultimately responsible. This wasn't set up by some independent 3rd party.

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I see you avoided responding to point #2.

Also why is #1 bad, Like I said before. It is politics. Romney gets a bunch of money from a casino magnet that makes money off of filling folks with booze and raking it in on folks ignorant of statistics.



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User currently offlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8711 posts, RR: 24
Reply 76, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 1861 times:

Quoting casinterest (Reply 75):
Romney gets a bunch of money from a casino magnet that makes money off of filling folks with booze and raking it in on folks ignorant of statistics.

According to Opensecrets.org, for 2012 the Casino/gambling industry has donated more than 3 times more to Obama than to Romney. So what's your point?



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39478 posts, RR: 75
Reply 77, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 1808 times:

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 76):
According to Opensecrets.org, for 2012 the Casino/gambling industry has donated more than 3 times more to Obama than to Romney. So what's your point?

     

Quoting casinterest (Reply 75):
Romney gets a bunch of money from a casino magnet that makes money off of filling folks with booze and raking it in on folks ignorant of statistics.

The labor unions that Steve Wynn employs are quite happy that they earn money off of " filling folks with booze and raking it in on folks ignorant of statistics" as you put it.  
Most people that go to the Wynn casino in Las Vegas go for fun and already know ahead of time that they're gonna lose some money. The hotel rooms at the Wynn are spectacular, it's a gorgeous building architecturally and the food is superb.
If everyone listened to Obama when he said; "don't go to Las Vegas", those union members would be out of a job.



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User currently offlinecasinterest From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4157 posts, RR: 2
Reply 78, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 1746 times:

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 76):
According to Opensecrets.org, for 2012 the Casino/gambling industry has donated more than 3 times more to Obama than to Romney. So what's your point?

My point was that nothing is off limits in polotics, but that probably doesn't register with folks full of Faux Outrage from Faux News and Rush Limbaugh.



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User currently offlinebjorn14 From Norway, joined Feb 2010, 3273 posts, RR: 2
Reply 79, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 1641 times:

Quoting casinterest (Reply 75):
Also why is #1 bad, Like I said before. It is politics

It's like upstaging the bride and groom on their special day. It's all about ME ME ME ME. He's like the drunk uncle at your wedding.



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User currently offlinealoges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8616 posts, RR: 43
Reply 80, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 1634 times:

Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 79):
It's like upstaging the bride and groom on their special day.

Nonsense.    It would only be so if the campaigners went to the actual wedding and collected donations and presents.

Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 79):
It's all about ME ME ME ME.

...as virtually always in politics, no matter where or which party. It's not a good thing, but it's a fact.

Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 79):
He's like the drunk uncle at your wedding.

Now, you see, for Obama to be like that uncle, he would have to be present at such weddings. He won't be and neither will his campaigners, unless invited.



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User currently offlinemt99 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 6545 posts, RR: 6
Reply 81, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 1602 times:
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Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 79):
It's like upstaging the bride and groom on their special day. It's all about ME ME ME ME. He's like the drunk uncle at your wedding.

It is still the CHOICE of the bride and groom to participate in this idea.

No one is forcing anyone to do anything.



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User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7276 posts, RR: 52
Reply 82, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 1591 times:

Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 79):
It's like upstaging the bride and groom on their special day. It's all about ME ME ME ME. He's like the drunk uncle at your wedding.

Again, I think the campaign probably shouldn't have done this... looks bad to many people. That being said, there are people out there that might like this. For my birthdays and for Christmas I always ask for nothing, and of course no one does that, so I tell them to donate to a charity. If I was really passionate about this campaign, I'd love to see people donate to them in my name.

The campaign probably shouldn't have done this IMO. Right or wrong, it does look really bad to many people and just gives ammo to attack the president for something petty, once more distracting everyone from real debates in this country



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User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21085 posts, RR: 56
Reply 83, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 1510 times:

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 82):
The campaign probably shouldn't have done this IMO. Right or wrong, it does look really bad to many people and just gives ammo to attack the president for something petty, once more distracting everyone from real debates in this country

No. The campaign should not let itself be held hostage by crazed ideologues who will find a way to get angry about anything at all. Those people are never going to be satisfied.

-Mir



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User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7276 posts, RR: 52
Reply 84, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 1501 times:

Quoting Mir (Reply 83):
No. The campaign should not let itself be held hostage by crazed ideologues who will find a way to get angry about anything at all. Those people are never going to be satisfied.

You're right, it shouldn't. Unfortunately, it is.

IDK, I would've gone about it a different way



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