MadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10350 posts, RR: 40 Posted (12 months 6 hours ago) and read 1774 times:
I just happened to see this while looking at the F1 Twitter feeds. RT came up with this.
Breaking news: Mohammad Morsi has won the Egyptian presidential election
The country's election commission announced the official results in a televised press conference, naming Muslim Brotherhood candidate Morsi as the first post-revolution president.
The commission chairman also spoke at length about the various violations made by voters, including fake identity cards and ballot stuffing. In all cases, votes were either recounted or dismissed from the total.
FatmirJusufi From Albania, joined Jan 2009, 2410 posts, RR: 7 Reply 1, posted (12 months 6 hours ago) and read 1740 times:
I am watching all of this process live. I'm happy that Morsi won, at last after more than 80 years when Muslim Brotherhood was formed. This is the victory of demcoracy, but now they have to prove themselves.
MadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10350 posts, RR: 40 Reply 5, posted (12 months 4 hours ago) and read 1643 times:
Quoting Acheron (Reply 3): Watch it spiral into a theocracy in a couple of years.
My main concern is how the situation will turn with neighbouring Israel. Their extremes hate the Muslim Brotherhood with a passion and the Muslim Brotherhood extremes hate zionists furiously.
Mohammed Morsi vs. Benyamin Netanyahu will most probably not get along and agree on many subjects concerning the region, using moderate words here.
This is not a good situation.
Also from today on Western tourism in Egypt might be dwindling, maybe fading away. If tourism ends it will be a lot of revenue that will disappear.
Let's see how the situation turns out.
Now they celebrate. What will it become later no one really knows.
There was a better way to fly it was called Concorde
Aesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 4934 posts, RR: 9 Reply 9, posted (12 months 3 hours ago) and read 1558 times:
Quoting einsteinboricua (Reply 4): Give them time. It's quite possible they will go the way of Turkey where Islam dominates life but the government remains secular.
But Turkey started that process with an "enlightened" and very secular leader, not a "moderate" Islamist.
New Technology is the name we give to stuff that doesn't work yet. Douglas Adams
FatmirJusufi From Albania, joined Jan 2009, 2410 posts, RR: 7 Reply 10, posted (12 months 2 hours ago) and read 1498 times:
Guys, let's not prejudice about the further processes in Egypt. After all, wasn't Mubarak's regime who has been against its citizens recently — killings, imprisonments, tortures? Egyptian people wanted changes and that era came. Now it's totally up to Muslim Brotherhood to prove they were the right choice.
kaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 11996 posts, RR: 36 Reply 11, posted (12 months 1 hour ago) and read 1467 times:
I wouldn't be all that negative right now; Morsi's freedom of movement will be pretty limited; the army will be "guiding" him and will be watching carefully for a move towards Islamic fundamentalism. I see the most likely option as being that Morsi will be mostly a figurehead; the MB will have their president, but the real power will rest with the army.
francoflier From France, joined Oct 2001, 3253 posts, RR: 10 Reply 12, posted (12 months ago) and read 1425 times:
Quoting kaitak (Reply 11): I see the most likely option as being that Morsi will be mostly a figurehead; the MB will have their president, but the real power will rest with the army.
Exactly, as this result is probably the issue of negotiations between the army and the Muslim brotherhood.
None of those parties should be left with complete controls over the country in my opinion, but the two of them might actually balance each other into an acceptable compromise which also satisfies democracy (kind of).
There will likely be a lot of friction between the two sides internally, but let's hope it remains a stable government and avoids deviating towards secularization or militarization.
Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit posting...
falstaff From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 5705 posts, RR: 29 Reply 13, posted (11 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 1396 times:
Quoting DocLightning (Reply 8): How about we just cut off all ties and let them carry on?
I would love that to happen.
Quoting Acheron (Reply 3): Sucks for the Coptics, though. They should flee while they can.
I am sure they will be chased out. I read about them in National Geographic and in some literature from the Episcopal/Anglican church. The Muslim extremists did a good job of running the Christians out of Iraq.
Quoting DocLightning (Reply 8): They democratically elected themselves another dictatorship!
That seems to be the case. I bet things won't be too much different for the average guy on the street either. They just traded one group of thugs for another. Eventually the new leadership will meet the same fate as the old, which seems to happen in that part of the world a lot.
The "Arab Spring" was nothing like the fall of the USSR and the Eastern Bloc, because stability came from that and less stability is coming from this.
Dreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 7888 posts, RR: 22 Reply 14, posted (11 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1335 times:
Quoting FatmirJusufi (Reply 1): I am watching all of this process live. I'm happy that Morsi won, at last after more than 80 years when Muslim Brotherhood was formed. This is the victory of demcoracy, but now they have to prove themselves.
Oh no worries. This Morsi fellow seems like the kind of modern-day diplomat with whom the West can work. Here he is on the campaign trail earlier, complimenting Israel about Jerusalem and telling the crowd he’d like to visit there soon… accompanied by a few million martyrs.
It’s a catchy tune and you can dance to it, but somehow I don’t see it playing well on MTV. Note well how Morsi tells the crowd to forget about the world and “conferences,” and that Jerusalem (al-Quds) will be their capital.
einsteinboricua From Puerto Rico, joined Apr 2010, 2085 posts, RR: 6 Reply 16, posted (11 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 1285 times:
Quoting FatmirJusufi (Reply 10): Guys, let's not prejudice about the further processes in Egypt. After all, wasn't Mubarak's regime who has been against its citizens recently — killings, imprisonments, tortures? Egyptian people wanted changes and that era came. Now it's totally up to Muslim Brotherhood to prove they were the right choice.
I agree. We wanted democracy to come to the Middle East. Democracy came with the overthrow of Mubarak and the election of the Muslim Brotherhood...oh...wait...I see...the outcome wasn't what you wanted it to be and now there's a rant going on.
Why don't we let the new government take power and see how it all works out? We should trust that Egyptians made the right choice. Whether it's the one we wanted or not, that's democracy for you: one side wins, the other must put up with it until the next election.
I trust that the military will serve as a guarantee that should the president or parliament step out of line, they'll be able to grab power and give it to another person worthy of guiding the country.
"You haven't seen a tree until you've seen its shadow from the sky."
Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 14): Note well how Morsi tells the crowd to forget about the world and “conferences,” and that Jerusalem (al-Quds) will be their capital.
No, that's not him.
But nice try.
The guy in the video is mad scary, it's true, and Morsi has not distanced himself from him. But he was playing for votes. A lot like a lot of the religious right wackos that the Republicans in the US cozy up to say things just as scary, and the Republican candidates still don't disassociate themselves, because they want the votes.
There are definitely a lot of extremists in the Muslim Brotherhood. But much of them are more moderate. And I'm actually optimistic there will be some balance of power. Let's hope.
Btw, MemriTV is basically just a propaganda platform abroad for the Israeli right (Likud). So they show this, but they don't show, for example, the current Israeli Minister of Foreign affairs saying that Israel belongs to the white man, and the Sudanese refugee "infiltrators" must be stopped. Meanwhile, Bibi Netanyahu stokes the same flames and thus encourages the attacks on migrant workers that have been growing recently. My point is that you can quite easily make either or both sides of the Middle East conflict look very scary...So let's just see what happens. Similarly, MemriTV bringing on a pundit to warn about Islamism in Egypt is no different to any other news channel with its own angle bringing on their talking heads...
The Muslim Brotherhood has been repressed for so long in Egypt that they were bound to win a lot of votes. But they may now be in a complicated dance of power that may expose their weaknesses and lead toward a lot of compromise and their eventual fading from the mainstream. Keep in mind, this election was quite close...and had the other candidate not represented the old regime, the Brotherhood might not even have won...
Quoting einsteinboricua (Reply 16): Why don't we let the new government take power and see how it all works out?
What power will the military give it?
Quoting einsteinboricua (Reply 16): I trust that the military will serve as a guarantee that should the president or parliament step out of line, they'll be able to grab power and give it to another person worthy of guiding the country
Aesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 4934 posts, RR: 9 Reply 20, posted (11 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 1233 times:
Quoting FatmirJusufi (Reply 10): Guys, let's not prejudice about the further processes in Egypt. After all, wasn't Mubarak's regime who has been against its citizens recently — killings, imprisonments, tortures? Egyptian people wanted changes and that era came. Now it's totally up to Muslim Brotherhood to prove they were the right choice.
Fatmir
—
Quoting einsteinboricua (Reply 16): I agree. We wanted democracy to come to the Middle East. Democracy came with the overthrow of Mubarak and the election of the Muslim Brotherhood...oh...wait...I see...the outcome wasn't what you wanted it to be and now there's a rant going on.
The thing is, the people doing the revolution, they weren't the Muslim Brotherhood, and they didn't want the Muslim Brotherhood in power.
Alas, they weren't a united party, unlike the Muslim Brotherhood, so when it was time for politics, they didn't stand a chance.
New Technology is the name we give to stuff that doesn't work yet. Douglas Adams
TheCol From Canada, joined Jan 2007, 2012 posts, RR: 6 Reply 21, posted (11 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1211 times:
IMHO, this isn't an improvement to the political situation in Egypt. It's only a matter of time before the Muslim Brotherhood and the military start a civil war. A key indicator of that will be Iran's future involvement with Egypt.
No matter how random things may appear, there's always a plan.
Acheron From Spain, joined Sep 2005, 1426 posts, RR: 1 Reply 22, posted (11 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 1074 times:
Quote:
Egypt’s Constitution should be based on the Koran and Sharia law, presidential candidate from the Muslim Brotherhood Islamist movement Mohamed Morsi said.
“The Koran is our constitution, the Prophet is our leader, jihad is our path and death in the name of Allah is our goal,” Morsi said in his election speech before Cairo University students on Saturday night.
DocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 16936 posts, RR: 57 Reply 23, posted (11 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 1041 times:
Quoting Acheron (Reply 22): Yep. This is not going to end well...
Agreed. This is as if Rick Santorum won the Presidency while a bunch of his lackeys took over Congress. Except now imagine that there wasn't a Supreme Court to temper the matter.
Sponsor Message: 
From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10350 posts, 
From Albania, joined Jan 2009, 2410 posts, 
From Spain, joined Sep 2005, 1426 posts, 
From Puerto Rico, joined Apr 2010, 2085 posts, 
From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 2559 posts, 
From France, joined Nov 2009, 4934 posts, 
From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 11996 posts, 
Million's of martyrs march toward Jerusalem is a catchy presidential slogan.
From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 22871 posts, 
From Canada, joined Jan 2007, 2012 posts, 
Printer friendly format 
