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Hypocrisy At Its Best?  
User currently offlineMIAspotter From Spain, joined Nov 2001, 2775 posts, RR: 24
Posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3236 times:

Today I was assigned to work on a rather luxurious cruise ship which is doing 12 night mediterranean cruises, I was at the gangway checking the guests cruise cards. When this character shows up, none other than Mr Alejandro Cao de Benos, for those who don´t know him, he is Spanish born (from an aristocratic family) but he is the only foreigner working for the government of North Korea, you can find him on youtube videos proclaiming how wonderful and what a worker´s paradise North Korea is and Kim Jong Il this, Juche that, USA evil, etc.

As soon as I saw him I knew he looked familiar to me, and when I checked his card and saw his name I almost had to contain my laughter.

So we have this dude talking about capitalism, US imperialism, the cause of all the world problems and yet he is boarding a luxurious ship (from a very well known American company) to go enjoy himself on a Med cruise, yet back in Pyongyang people do not have the freedom to travel between cities, let alone out of the country and even less so to freely book such capitalist pleasures as a cruise vacation.

Your thoughts?

MIAspotter.


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User currently offlinelewis From Greece, joined Jul 1999, 3636 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3220 times:

Doesn't sound different from the hypocrisy of all the NK leadership, there is nothing socialist/communist about unelected leaders, a ruling family and a political elite living lavishly while the rest of the population starves.

Reminds me of the head of the communist party in Greece, always so vocal against capitalism, the west and the US, yet her two daughters attended private (and American) schools in Athens and both studied in the United States. Practice what you preach is something unheard to all of them.


User currently offlineKen777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 8278 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3202 times:

That is how it always works. Those in power have access to a wealth of benefits and this will be no different.

Quoting MIAspotter (Thread starter):
I was assigned to work on a rather luxurious cruise ship which is doing 12 night mediterranean cruises

I had to smile at this as I have been looking for some really good deals on a Med cruise and the 12 day cruises, especially the Venice to Barcelona route - or the reverse, which you seem to be working. Hopefully there will be some good sale prices we can grab.


User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 14026 posts, RR: 62
Reply 3, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3168 times:

I just have one word for him: Gilipollas.

I bet his family was supporting Franco back in the 1950s-60s.

Jan


User currently offlineslider From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6816 posts, RR: 34
Reply 4, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3116 times:

He should be tosssed overboard into shark infested waters.

User currently offlineflymia From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7175 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3104 times:

How it works. A smaller example would be a well known attorney down here in Miami. Guy has written books and is a sucessful attorney, not really sure why when I've seen him he wasn't so great. Anyway he is worth lots of money but he has openly supported communism in Cuba and his wife says she is a communist. It's easy to say that when you have millions of dollars and live a nice luxurious free life.

I think it's like that a lot with cases like this.



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User currently offlinegeekydude From China, joined Apr 2004, 401 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3088 times:

Post this on his youtube channel and see how his admirers, if any, react.


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User currently offlineeinsteinboricua From Puerto Rico, joined Apr 2010, 3104 posts, RR: 8
Reply 7, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 3053 times:

The Juche mantra can be translated as "self reliance": you go fetch for yourself. I'll sit here in lavish accommodations at your cost.


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User currently offlineNoUFO From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 7957 posts, RR: 12
Reply 8, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 3048 times:

Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 3):

  

But it is true: these things have always been the same.



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User currently offlineusflyer msp From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2124 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3006 times:

I doubt this guy actually believes what he says. It is just his job. Think of it as a long-term paid acting gig.

User currently offlinezkojq From New Zealand, joined Sep 2011, 1224 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2988 times:

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 2):
That is how it always works. Those in power have access to a wealth of benefits and this will be no different.

An integral part of being a despot is living a life significantly more lavish than those who you rule over.

Quoting usflyer msp (Reply 9):
I doubt this guy actually believes what he says. It is just his job. Think of it as a long-term paid acting gig.

   Exactly. It must be pretty fun though. I'd love to spend my days writing ridiculous speeches proclaiming the apparent awesomeness of the 'dear leader' (did you know that he invented the internet and that in his first game of golf he scored 11 under par?). Does this guy get paid for it?



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User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 14026 posts, RR: 62
Reply 11, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2896 times:

Quoting NoUFO (Reply 8):
Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 3):



But it is true: these things have always been the same.

Fett schwimmt immer oben.
(Fat always floats on top).

Or as George Orwell put it: All animals are equal. Some are more equal than others.

Jan


User currently offlineMIAspotter From Spain, joined Nov 2001, 2775 posts, RR: 24
Reply 12, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 2548 times:

Quoting lewis (Reply 1):
Reminds me of the head of the communist party in Greece, always so vocal against capitalism, the west and the US, yet her two daughters attended private (and American) schools in Athens and both studied in the United States

Same happens in Venezuela with Chavez, he´s always attacking the evil US imperialists, the CIA is plotting to kill him, Bush is a drunkard, etc, yet a big part of his family is living in Florida attending Universities and living it large.

oh and he uses a Blackberry and has a Tweeter account...

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 2):
I had to smile at this as I have been looking for some really good deals on a Med cruise and the 12 day cruises, especially the Venice to Barcelona route - or the reverse, which you seem to be working. Hopefully there will be some good sale prices we can grab.

Venice to Barcelona is being done by the Carnival Breeze, Solstice and i think the Mariner of the Seas ( a bit of a oxymoron name that ship has, I mean, what else can you be a Mariner of? )

Solstice would be my pick  
Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 3):

I just have one word for him: Gilipollas.

LOL! that´s true when you see him on the propaganada videos picturing NK as a paradise, I sit there like ¨do you think I am stupid?¨

Quoting geekydude (Reply 6):
Post this on his youtube channel and see how his admirers, if any, react.

Yeah, bit of a shocker.

Quoting einsteinboricua (Reply 7):

The Juche mantra can be translated as "self reliance": you go fetch for yourself. I'll sit here in lavish accommodations at your cost.

Or You go fetch for yourself, I am fetching a drink and plonk myself on the buffet... at your cost of course.

MIAspotter.



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User currently offlinefrancoflier From France, joined Oct 2001, 3766 posts, RR: 11
Reply 13, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 2543 times:

Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 11):
(Fat always floats on top

Fat? You're being awfully lenient with that expression.



Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit posting...
User currently offlineronglimeng From Canada, joined Oct 2006, 625 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 2530 times:

My thinking is that it was inappropriate for you to identify a guest of your employer, particularly on the same day that he boarded.

I suggest you be more discrete in your future postings or else you might be looking for a new job.


User currently offlinealoges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8707 posts, RR: 42
Reply 15, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 2346 times:

Quoting ronglimeng (Reply 14):
My thinking is that it was inappropriate for you to identify a guest of your employer, particularly on the same day that he boarded.

I disagree. Putting principle over profit can be a good idea and it is one in this case. Hypocrites like this man need to be exposed.



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User currently offlineMIAspotter From Spain, joined Nov 2001, 2775 posts, RR: 24
Reply 16, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 2309 times:

Quoting ronglimeng (Reply 14):

My thinking is that it was inappropriate for you to identify a guest of your employer, particularly on the same day that he boarded.

I suggest you be more discrete in your future postings or else you might be looking for a new job.

Thank you Ronglimeng, at least you were more polite in bringing your point, unlike another member who just accused me and came around with an attitude (those posts where deleted on my request)

As I wrote on a deleted comment, I did not sign a contract and let alone a privacy disclaimer, so I am free to name, point and shame as I please, honestly if I have seen a big celebrity I would not have mentioned it, I don´t care what they do on their spare time, but this is different, here we have a man who praises a criminal and oppresive regime on one side and on the other goes around indulging on a lavish lifestyle.

Quoting aloges (Reply 15):
I disagree. Putting principle over profit can be a good idea and it is one in this case. Hypocrites like this man need to be exposed.

Exactly my point, thank you aloges   and I really wished this Cruise company knew who he was, if I was the Captain of that ship I would have denied him boarding.

MIAspotter.



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User currently offlineaerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 7193 posts, RR: 13
Reply 17, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 2289 times:

Quoting ronglimeng (Reply 14):
My thinking is that it was inappropriate for you to identify a guest of your employer, particularly on the same day that he boarded.

Agreed - If I did the same at work I would be fired for sure.

the world is full of hypocrites. He is just one of many who compromises themselves every day at work in order to get paid. Hell if I was paid the right price (it'd have to be a gigantic sum)by a dictator I'd do the same.


User currently offlinePs76 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2034 times:

Hi!

Personally I am amazed that a Spanish guy was let in the government of N.Korea!

Anyway congratulations on working on a cruise ship. When I was 12 that was my dream!


User currently offlineairportugal310 From Tokelau, joined Apr 2004, 3641 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1984 times:

Quoting ronglimeng (Reply 14):
My thinking is that it was inappropriate for you to identify a guest of your employer, particularly on the same day that he boarded.

I suggest you be more discrete in your future postings or else you might be looking for a new job.

Seriously? So I guess we should all put our morals aside for a few $$$'s (Euros whatever)... lame galore

Quoting aloges (Reply 15):
I disagree. Putting principle over profit can be a good idea and it is one in this case. Hypocrites like this man need to be exposed.

Amen.



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User currently offlinevarigb707 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1931 times:

Quoting MIAspotter (Thread starter):
assigned to work on a rather luxurious cruise ship

What's it like working on those cruise ships? I heard people can make around 10 to 15 grand on a contract for a couple of months.
Also, most of the time, workers are on a 16 hour day schedule, with no contact with guests on any free time.
Is that true???


User currently offlineMIAspotter From Spain, joined Nov 2001, 2775 posts, RR: 24
Reply 21, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 1892 times:

Quoting Ps76 (Reply 18):
Personally I am amazed that a Spanish guy was let in the government of N.Korea!

Well if you wiki the name of this guy, it states that it was his dream, pretty cool to play Commies and then come back to your lavish life back home.

Quoting Ps76 (Reply 18):
Anyway congratulations on working on a cruise ship. When I was 12 that was my dream!

Well, I don´t actually work on the ship itself, I work for a company who does the port services.

Quoting varigb707 (Reply 20):
What's it like working on those cruise ships? I heard people can make around 1 to 15 grand on a contract for a couple of months.

Not really ¨A couple¨ of months, they work for 6 months, some work for longer! from what I have gathered from a few crews.

Quoting varigb707 (Reply 20):
Also, most of the time, workers are on a 16 hour day schedule, with no contact with guests on any free time.
Is that true???

That depends on your position, I see crews disembarking and going into town, but again it depends on the job you have onboard, and yes you do work really long hours.

MIAspotter.



I think, therefore I don´t fly Ryanair.
User currently offlinevarigb707 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 1873 times:

Quoting MIAspotter (Reply 21):

Not really ¨A couple¨ of months, they work for 6 months, some work for longer! from what I have gathered from a few crews.
Quoting MIAspotter (Reply 21):

That depends on your position, I see crews disembarking and going into town, but again it depends on the job you have onboard, and yes you do work really long hours.
Quoting MIAspotter (Reply 21):

MIAspotter

Thanks for answering my questions. I think i want to do that...


User currently offlineMIAspotter From Spain, joined Nov 2001, 2775 posts, RR: 24
Reply 23, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 1760 times:

Quoting varigb707 (Reply 22):
I think i want to do that...

From what I heard from a few crews I asked, the life onboard is OK, lots of work but overall OK and good enough money, just choose the company you want to work for carefully  

I was also considering it, but just found another job.

MIAspotter.



I think, therefore I don´t fly Ryanair.
User currently onlineWestJet747 From Canada, joined Aug 2011, 1834 posts, RR: 10
Reply 24, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 1727 times:

Quoting ronglimeng (Reply 14):
My thinking is that it was inappropriate for you to identify a guest of your employer, particularly on the same day that he boarded.

I suggest you be more discrete in your future postings or else you might be looking for a new job.

If you care to dismount from your pedestal for a moment, please consider the following:

1) The OP did not name his employer, the ship the person in question boarded, or its intended destination.
2) Cao is paid by a dictatorship to be a public figure. Disussing a public figure's lifestyle is not unreasonable, and it certainly wouldn't be a first on this forum.



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