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User currently offlineredrooster3 From United States of America, joined Oct 2010, 229 posts, RR: 2
Posted (2 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2713 times:

It's that time of my life to buy my first car. With my own money, being saved for two years, working and saving. But i've earned it, im starting my second year of college soon, and my moms car is getting up in millage, and will need to be dependent and buy my first car. College is only 10 minutes away on the freeway.

Some people think I should just buy a cheap first car, but I think the other way. I have been saving up for a reason, to be driving a nice car. And since I worked hard, with NO HELP, I should reward myself with a nicer car than say a 1990 Honda civic. What do you guys think?

A third of my brain says buy a small first car. (Hyundai Elantra, Dodge Neon, Honda Civic.) The other third says get a small pickup truck, (Ford Ranger.) And the other third says get a sedan car, (Ford fusion, Hyundai Sonata.)

Out of all the cars ive listed, the top three of my choice were:
1. Ford Fusion (any model)
2. Ford Ranger
3. Hyundai Sonata (2006-2009 model)

I need your help with these questions:

1. Is 100k miles okay on a car? (Ford Primarily)
2. Salvaged?
3. Truck or Sedan
4. Should I be looking at different models of cars?
5. Ford Rangers, how reliable of a truck? (I looked one a 2003 Ford Ranger Edge with 120k miles, but didn't buy, he was asking 8,000. It was good condition.)
6. Tips on negotiation?
7. Private party, or dealership?
8. Your experience with high mile cars or Ford or Ford rangers/Fusions.

Please, be honest, this is constructive criticism. Older first car, or my top choice car?
Thanks!


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User currently offlinemad99 From Spain, joined Mar 2012, 575 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (2 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2699 times:

Quoting redrooster3 (Thread starter):
100k miles okay

For a jap car or korean it should be all right for the us cars your getting close to the problem miles.
Can you repair it yourself?



Quoting redrooster3 (Thread starter):
Tips on negotiation?

If you have cash then your running the show!! Find someone who needs to shift it and you'll get a deal, if your smart.

Quoting redrooster3 (Thread starter):
Private party, or dealership

Private...always

Quoting redrooster3 (Thread starter):
Your experience with high mile cars

Simple jap cars go forever, my father had a toyota with over 300k on it. For the last 35 years he's only bought toyotas.


User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10751 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (2 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2692 times:

To find out what kind of car, try to figure out how you drive, an whom you drive. If you are mostly alone, or just with your girlfriend and you never go to parties or weekend trips with friends, a pickup might do it, if you need the loading space. I started with a small car. Its handy, ueses little fuel, insurance is low (unless if its a small "GTI" type of car), and for a young person will provide the most fun to drive. A sedan is more safe, but a Sonata will make you look like you´re 50+, and it´ll be much more expensive to maintain.

1. Dont worry, if it has all the papers, and not more than two owners before. But check the dampers, brakes, tyres, exhaust system, all things that could need replacement around that time.
2.Salvaged? Well, could be ok, if the seller is trustworthy and has lots of proof of what was repaired. Very important is if it had a repair to the chassis, as that could lead to excessive tyre wear. Also slavaged cars normally tend to get rusty earlier.
4. Definitely. Only to say Ford because many in the family drive it means not much.
6. Every detail that is not typical for the age should bring down the price. Many little scratches? Deduct 300-800$. Tyres soon to be replaced? Down at least 50% of what the tyres cost. 3 or 4 owners, but in seemingly good shape could mean the car has inherent issues, lowers the price. Bring a friend who knows cars or can act like it, and nags about details, or after a testdrive of a 6.900$ car says to the seller "a 5 in the front would be much better". High chance, the seller offers it for 6200 then. If you have an issue with the car which isnt serious try to force the seller to repair it and say please call me back when its done, I´m still interested. He might call you back in an hour bringing down the price by another 5%.
7. Buying at a (brand) dealer normally is roughly 10-25% more expensive. But you get a serviced car with warranty. It can be easier to bring down the price on a private car, but look at the owner, an aging man who drove the car for 5 or more years is surely better than a young guy who had 5 cars in 5 years.
8. Never driven an old Ford.

For your first car you shouldnt look out for your dream car, but for the best compromise. Get a Ford if you have someone who can repair it cheapely in the neighbourhood. Drive different cars to find out what suits you best if not. Drive at least 3 different cars of the same type before deciding on a used car to find out whats normal and what could be excessive wear. Look for your dream car once you can really drive, and you can afford it. A goodlooking 10 year old dreamcar at a bargain price can easily swallow the aquisition price in maintenance in a single year.


User currently offlineplanejamie From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2011, 576 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (2 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2663 times:

How about a Ford Focus, mine had 65,000 miles on it when I got it (now 70,000+) and it's a great car. It's a 1.6 turbo Diesel and doesn't cost that much in fuel (will go 500 miles on one full tank which isn't that big to begin with). From memory it cost £8000 to buy and is the 2008 model. Any Ford Diesel will be fine but 100+ miles I'd avoid tbh. Small pickups aren't popular in the UK so I wouldn't know much about them!

User currently offlineajd1992 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (2 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2657 times:

I'd buy a small cheap car so at least if you crash it (and you will, trust me) it's not an expensive fix. Get one with an economical engine to save money on fuel as well. A bigger car is pointless unless you're hauling people or a lot of stuff.

User currently offlineMrChips From Canada, joined Mar 2005, 932 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (2 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2647 times:

Quoting redrooster3 (Thread starter):
Some people think I should just buy a cheap first car, but I think the other way. I have been saving up for a reason, to be driving a nice car. And since I worked hard, with NO HELP, I should reward myself with a nicer car than say a 1990 Honda civic. What do you guys think?

I think that since you're in college, you should be getting something reliable and cheap before you consider rewarding yourself for anything. Save that for after you've graduated and have a stable job, when A) you deserve it more, and B) you can afford something a lot nicer. Remember that college is expensive, and owning and running a car is expensive too when you factor not just gas, but maintenance and insurance too. Beyond that, your car WILL get wrecked on campus no matter how hard you try, so don't buy anything you're going to get attached to.

Go browse Craigslist for $3000 Civics, Accords, Corollas or Camrys.

Quoting planejamie (Reply 3):
Any Ford Diesel will be fine but 100+ miles I'd avoid tbh. Small pickups aren't popular in the UK so I wouldn't know much about them!

Here in North America, we don't have anywhere near as many engine options as you get in Europe, and certainly not diesels either.



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User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10751 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (2 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2629 times:

Quoting mad99 (Reply 1):
Simple jap cars go forever, my father had a toyota with over 300k on it. For the last 35 years he's only bought toyotas.

Toyotas are well built, but if you have eyes in your head you´ll notice most are bland or ugly or both together. Ok for a first car, but if you like cars and have some taste, its not a brand you want to stay with. Mazdas arent bad either on the quality scale, and they generally look a bit better than Toyotas.


User currently offlinekiwirob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7444 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (2 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2619 times:

Quoting na (Reply 2):
but a Sonata will make you look like you´re 50+, and it´ll be much more expensive to maintain.

Ok on the looking like an old geezer but please explain why it will be much more expensive to maintain.

[Edited 2012-07-05 04:33:56]

User currently offlineautothrust From Switzerland, joined Jun 2006, 1596 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (2 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2588 times:

Quoting mad99 (Reply 1):
Simple jap cars go forever, my father had a toyota with over 300k on it

i disagree, have seen our old Ford Mondeo over 278k running better then the one year old Toyota from the Nieghbour.
Our second car a Nissan had quite a lot of problems.

In my opinion german car are the best.

[Edited 2012-07-05 05:28:19]


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User currently offlinegarnetpalmetto From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5399 posts, RR: 53
Reply 9, posted (2 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2573 times:

Quoting na (Reply 2):
A sedan is more safe, but a Sonata will make you look like you´re 50+, and it´ll be much more expensive to maintain.

That's not been my experience - I know plenty of people under 50+ driving Sonatas and they're not any more expensive to maintain than any other car. I have an '03 Sonata and have had no major problems with mine. It's got a little over 100K miles on it now and it's still going strong. Knock on wood!



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User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10751 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (2 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2557 times:

Quoting autothrust (Reply 8):
In my opinion german car are the best.

If you want a good compromise of image, reliability, unbeatable build-quality and good looks, I fully agree. But they come at a price.

For me good looks inside and out, a entertaining drive and rarity at an affordable price are the no.1 points in buying a car. I can live with average reliability, but not with average design or with a car I have to check the numberplate to identify it on a parking lot. Its hard finding anything beside an Alfa Romeo that does it for me, and I will be buying another one next weekend (a fairly used one from 2007, as currently the brand has nothing on offer in the class I´m shopping for).

Quoting mad99 (Reply 1):
Simple jap cars go forever, my father had a toyota with over 300k on it. For the last 35 years he's only bought toyotas.

A friend had a Yaris which became a total writeoff due to a broken gearbox just north of 100.000 kms. Very bad. Nowadays you can find good and less good cars from each brand, it isnt like we are living in the 80s where there were big differences indeed. You can buy an Alfa that lasts 400.000, and a Toyota which goes to the scrappers with 100.000 (though the opposite is still a bit more likely).


User currently offlineredrooster3 From United States of America, joined Oct 2010, 229 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (2 years 2 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 2533 times:

Thank you guys for your opinions. Im learning from this. I really shouldn't buy a sedan, everyone tells me to stick with a smaller car, or a pickup truck. Which is what I really should be doing. Toyota Tacoma, Ford Ranger would be my top choices. Because encase I ever needed to haul something, I wouldn't really have to worry.



Quoting mad99 (Reply 1):
my father had a toyota with over 300k on it

Those are some pretty hefty miles, he got his use out of that car.

Quoting planejamie (Reply 3):
How about a Ford Focus,

All of my friends drive ford focuses, it sure is a good reliable car.



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User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6690 posts, RR: 12
Reply 12, posted (2 years 2 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 2439 times:

You live in California => Mazda MX-5 Miata


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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15749 posts, RR: 27
Reply 13, posted (2 years 2 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 2429 times:

Quoting Aesma (Reply 12):
You live in California => Mazda MX-5 Miata

Seconded, with a caveat. Miatas are chick cars unless you add three performance enhancing modifications. (Or just a rollcage) And stripes or LED lights don't count.

But, if you want to be a little bit different you could always look at the Toyota MR2 as well.



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User currently offlinenickh From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 204 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (2 years 2 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 2410 times:
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Interesting timing on this question. I have been researching new cars for a couple of weeks now, since I was asked to help my family to decide on either purchasing or leasing new vehicle.

My folks ended up signing a 39-month lease on an All-Electric Nissan Leaf. For the amount of driving that they do, which is less than 100-miles every few days in the metro area, this seems like the perfect fit. The cost of the lease is about $435/month, plus insurance (requires comprehensive coverage).

While I had my doubts about the available power and range on the Nissan Leaf at first -- (I drive an Infiniti Q45/V8 myself (my middle aged crisis, I suppose - , and my car only gets about 23mpg on the freeway, if I'm lucky) - The Leaf is actually quite powerful when it comes to available torque.

The gauges are more or less conventional (all LCD/digital display, but they made it look "familiar") - and the way that the car drives is also very natural. The gauges are not in the wrong places and you can always adjust your "user profile" to whatever it is that you prefer.

If your daily commute is less than 100-miles round-trip, or even if it is, if you are near a charging station (the standard NAV System on the car will tell you if you are) you can extend your range that way.
Another nice thing is that if you are anywhere near a Nissan or Infiniti dealership, they all have Quick EV charging stations and they will let you use them at no charge, as long as you lease or own the vehicle. The roof Solar Panel also charges the accessory battery (Sound System, Climate, Navigation, etc.), while the car is parked.

Look into it - depending on what you are trying to do, it might work out - at least test drive it. It has a lot of standard features, compared to the other cars that we drove -- Toyota Prius, Mini Cooper, Fiat 500, Nissan Murano, Civic Hybrid, Camry Hybrid, etc. etc.

Keep us posted on what you decide to end up with. Good Luck!

-N.



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User currently offlineredrooster3 From United States of America, joined Oct 2010, 229 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (2 years 2 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 2406 times:

One of my family members suggest me buying a SUV, like a Jeep Grand Cherokee, and I shouldn't be spending over $5000. Which is what most of you guys agree on too. A early 2000 model Jeep Cherokee can be found under 5000 easily, but with some millage...usually over 100k miles. Which is what I wasn't aiming for.


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User currently offlineltbewr From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13120 posts, RR: 12
Reply 16, posted (2 years 2 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 2398 times:

Check out websites like Edmonds.com , Cars.com to do some looking around for advice.

Mileage: if mainly highway is a lot better than one with lower 'around town' mileage.

You don't state how much you want to spend, probably around $5-6,000 should get you a decent car/small pickup.

DON'T buy a "SALVAGE", 'FLOOD" or any car that has significant body damage or had significant mods on it. It may be a nightmare to run, be safe and even get insured. Make sure it has a 'clean' title, paid off if ever had a loan.

DO bring a friend or relative who knows about cars when you get serious about one.

Don't fall in love with a car at first sight - it can distract you from problems with it or pay too much. Make sure you have enough cash for insurance, sales taxes, registration fees, any initial repairs you need to do.

How about this for an car: a 6-8 year old 3 door hatch Ford Focus. Small outside, roomy inside, fuel efficient, probably reasonable for insurance, decent looking, nice handling, good performance, plenty our there so many know how to fix and get parts for. Similar Mazda 3's could be considered, but they may be more expensive for parts, repairs, insurance. Toyota Corollas, Scion coupe, Subaru (not the hot models) may be others to consider. Last true Saturns (not the Opel euro made ones) may be cheap as orphans. Stick to 4 cylinder cars, 6's are much more expensive to run, insure.

You probably should ask others your age what they have, their luck, etc. Small pickups may be a good alternative, but unless get one that was mainly used as a car, you could be buying trouble. I would also avoid 4x4 pickups as have more to go wrong, more expensive, and often beaten up. Also if have a pickup, you may end up being the one that helps people move, do projects, tow boats, ATV's, motorcycles for free. A small SUV might be something to consider (ie: Ford Escape, Honda CRV, Toyota RAV 4 or =)

Mainly stick to private sellers, maybe people in your neighborhood, family, relatives, but beware of phonies who are actually used car dealers looking to shift troubled cars by looking like a 'private seller'. Also stay away from low level used car lots, especially ones that offer 'in house' (ie: usurious interest) financing.


User currently offlineJAGflyer From Canada, joined Aug 2004, 3537 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (2 years 2 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 2393 times:

I'd buy a decent, reliable car rather than something cheap. Think about keeping it as long as possible rather than just for a few years. Perhaps go half/half with your parents and get something 1-2 years old with little miles. That way you can keep the car for 7-8+ years and be trouble free. All the stuff you hear about Japanese cars going to 300K+ miles is very true and possible but not without thousands in maintenance. I've probably spent about $800-900 so far on my Acura between when I bought it at 37,000km and now at 97,000km. Routine things like brakes, fluids, suspension, and tires will require replacing no matter what car. These things add up.

You want to enjoy your first car, not spend time in the shop with it. Therefore, spend a bit more to get something newer with less wear/tear on it already!



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User currently offlinezippyjet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 5486 posts, RR: 13
Reply 18, posted (2 years 2 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 2372 times:

I'd check out Consumer Reports Used Car buying guides. They have overall repair records and negotiation tips. They are objective and do not accept advertising. I checked your profile and you live in the SAN area. Therefore, you have little if any need for 4 wheel drive which adds complexity. Trucks/SUV's use more fuel. So unless you plan to schlep and haul why incur the expense. If you go with Toyota, or Honda and even most Nissan car models you should be in good shape. Also check out auto insurance. Type and year of car can make a difference. If you can and enjoy driving stick, go for it and by all means make sure your choice has working A/C that blows cold. I'd avoid any black car. Black cars draw in the heat and their paint wears thin unless you are anal about car care. Red can also be an issue. Back to stick shift; they tend to be less likely to be stolen. Best of luck to you.


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User currently offlinemad99 From Spain, joined Mar 2012, 575 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (2 years 2 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 2366 times:

Quoting na (Reply 10):
A friend had a Yaris

the friend of my uncle ... statistics show otherwise.


User currently offlineredrooster3 From United States of America, joined Oct 2010, 229 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (2 years 2 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 2356 times:

Quoting ltbewr (Reply 16):
Edmonds.com , Cars.com

I have, the good first cars they recommend are Hyundai Elantras, Ford Focuses, and Honda Civic's. Which are all great and popular cars, which means cheaper to fix. Right?

Quoting zippyjet (Reply 18):
Consumer Reports Used Car buying guides. They have overall repair records and negotiation tips. They are objective and do not accept advertising. I checked your profile and you live in the SAN area.

Consumereports is awesome, and yeah you're right with the truck. But it would be nice to not have to worry about hauling something when you do have a truck.

Quoting ltbewr (Reply 16):
DO bring a friend or relative who knows about cars when you get serious about one.

With all the cars I have looked at, I have always hired a mobile mechanic. And my big sister who knows how to negotiate. 
Quoting ltbewr (Reply 16):
$5-6,000 should get you a decent car/small pickup.

Thats what everyone says my price range should be. But, I do have more than that, but my max will be 6000-6500.

Quoting Aesma (Reply 12):
azda MX-5 Miata

Too small! Im a 6"3 guy. Pushing 6"4.



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User currently offlinekiwirob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7444 posts, RR: 5
Reply 21, posted (2 years 2 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 2349 times:

Quoting redrooster3 (Reply 11):
Because encase I ever needed to haul something, I wouldn't really have to worry.

So incase of having to haul something sometime in the future you're going to buy a fuel guzzling pickup, that's just dumb logic if ever I heard it. If you need to haul something sometime in the future rent a truck.


User currently offlineautothrust From Switzerland, joined Jun 2006, 1596 posts, RR: 9
Reply 22, posted (2 years 2 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 2344 times:

Quoting na (Reply 6):
Mazdas arent bad either on the quality scale, and they generally look a bit better than Toyotas.

True, however i find genearlly all Japanese, Chinese, and Korean cars ugly or uninspired. I would never buy such a car.

I'm really happy with my Audi A4.

Quoting kiwirob (Reply 21):

So incase of having to haul something sometime in the future you're going to buy a fuel guzzling pickup, that's just dumb logic if ever I heard it. If you need to haul something sometime in the future rent a truck.

Indeed, but it's the sad reality. It's incredible how SUV and Trucks are booming with such high fuel prices. Housewomen wich brings their children to school in a Housewife-Tank = Porsche Cayenne (or other supid SUV's) is the normality here.

I understand SUV's having tradition in US but here in Europe they should be banned.



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User currently offlineredrooster3 From United States of America, joined Oct 2010, 229 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (2 years 2 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 2343 times:

Quoting autothrust (Reply 22):
I'm really happy with my Audi A4

You drive a beautiful car! One of my favorite cars, the 2004-2006 model.

Quoting kiwirob (Reply 21):
So incase of having to haul something sometime in the future you're going to buy a fuel guzzling pickup, that's just dumb logic if ever I heard it. If you need to haul something sometime in the future rent a truck.

Im not looking at a truck no larger than a ford ranger, which gets around 22/25 city/freeway MPG with the early 2000 models.

Quoting nickh (Reply 14):
Nissan Leaf.

Me being 18 + a new car = outstanding insurance = me going bankrupt. I don't want a car loan.

Quoting JAGflyer (Reply 17):
All the stuff you hear about Japanese cars going to 300K+ miles is very true and possible but not without thousands in maintenance. I've probably spent about $800-900 so far on my Acura between when I bought it at 37,000km and now at 97,000km. Routine things like brakes, fluids, suspension, and tires will require replacing no matter what car. These things add up.

I've heard very good things about Acura's. Thats why Toyota, and Acura prices don't fall, even when millage is high. When I was being stupid and looking at sedan's, I looked at my favorite car, the Acura TL 2004-2007 version. Even with 150k miles, a TL was still in the upper $10000 range.



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User currently offlineautothrust From Switzerland, joined Jun 2006, 1596 posts, RR: 9
Reply 24, posted (2 years 2 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 2334 times:

Quoting redrooster3 (Reply 23):
You drive a beautiful car! One of my favorite cars, the 2004-2006 model.

Thanks, have the B8 Model built last year. But what is really amazing is the automatic gear shift. With 8 gear's you don't notice anything.

Also the Audi MMI is great.

In the recent time i have been impressed by the new generation of cars made by Citroen and Peugeot. Incredible design and quality improvements. (sorry offtopic)



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25 mmedford : How about a Jeep Wrangler... its a jeep, will take a beating and keep on ticking.
26 kiwirob : So you only have 1 friend?
27 Post contains images BMI727 : I'm kind of in the same position at the moment, but I've just graduated so I should be getting a job in the near future so I want to go a little bit o
28 kiwirob : Hope that statement has convinced you to learn to drive a stick!
29 WildcatYXU : Trucks aren't necessarily gas guzzlers. We replaced Mrs. Wildcat's '99 Mercury Cougar with a fourbanger Nissan Frontier and our fuel bills decreased.
30 BMI727 : Like I said, I'm ignoring it. My dad (who is the only one in my family other than my grandma who has driven a manual) said it would take me 10 minute
31 redrooster3 : Totally agree with you on that one. Remember, insurance will be high for us since were considered "Bad drivers." All teens have high insurance paymen
32 kiwirob : A future classic, hard to go wrong with this one, buy it, baby it, restore it and I bet in a few years it will be worth big bucks.
33 Post contains images mmedford : You can buy a hardtop, plus hes in San Diego...how much snow do you expect him to get? The positives of the wrangler is parts and aftermarket support
34 BMI727 : I should clarify that I just graduated college. My current car (totaled in a hail storm) is a 2000 Toyota Avalon which held its value well. I ran the
35 GSPflyer : I know American cars have a bad reputation for breaking down...I don't see Japanese cars being any more reliable. I personally drive a Grand Cherokee
36 mmedford : See! - 08 Grand Cherokee w/5.7L Hemi Buy a hybrid, save the gas for the rest of us!
37 Post contains links Jetsgo : Back in 2004 when I got my first car, it was a 2000 Dodge Stratus with 30k miles for $8k. It was the biggest turd ever, but it was cheap, surprisingly
38 autothrust : Yes but my health Because it's the most stupid thing mankind ever invented. Weighting over 2tons, with a Cw like a wall, fuel guzzling, big engines i
39 kiwirob : Pedestrians shouldn't be on the road, they should be on the side walk and only cross the road using designated crossings, problem is pedestrians who
40 autothrust : It refers to in case of a crash with a pedestrian. SUV have much worse survability then conventional cars.
41 TSS : Since Redrooster is a college student, I'd say it's a given that he's going to be hauling stuff on a regular basis. There's a lot to be said for owni
42 kiwirob : I'm sure you can fit a few kegs in a sedan or hatch. Might as well remove all trucks and buses from the road as well. Pedestrians should stick to the
43 Post contains images KaiGywer : I just replaced my 2006 Chevy Impala with this
44 GSPflyer : My Dad tried to buy a 98' GC with the 5.9L V8 from a guy he worked with. That would have been fun to drive!
45 TSS : I was thinking more along the lines of moving all his stuff dorm to home, home to dorm, in with a few friends who get an apartment, back to the dorm
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