WestJet747 From Canada, joined Aug 2011, 1638 posts, RR: 9 Reply 8, posted (1 year 5 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 1600 times:
Quoting DFWHeavy (Reply 7): Bond shouldn't be set on your finances, but by the threat and flight risk you pose the the community. He proved after being free the first time, he was neither of those.
Two things I can be sure that the judge took into consideration:
1) He now has the financial backing to be a flight-risk. All this money wasn't thrown at him until he was arrested.
2) It proves he has an issue with honesty, even it's just with regard to a bank account.
D L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 10794 posts, RR: 52 Reply 9, posted (1 year 5 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 1599 times:
Quoting DFWHeavy (Reply 3):
This is just completely wrong of this judge to impose such a Bail amount,
No, it is not at all wrong. The original bail was $150k, which Zimmerman easily paid because he was hiding that he had many hundreds of thousands of dollars in his paypal account. A bail bondsman needs 10% down plus collateral, so $15k was not much to fork over. Plus, with the judge finding that Zimmerman had not only mislead the court but was also a flight risk, $15k wasn't very much to keep Zimmerman from fleeing.
This is the rule: bail is set high enough to strongly encourage the accused to appear at trial. Once Zimmerman exposed how much money he had withheld from the court, it was expected that the new bail amount would be around $1 Million.
Quoting DFWHeavy (Reply 3): especially for someone who likely acted in self defense.
That is irrelevant because the amount of bail is set without regard to the likelihood that someone will be exonerated.
Zimmerman has not lost this $1 Million. If he shows up at trial, he gets it back.
The point of bail is to make sure that someone shows up for trial. Thus, it makes sense to charge more for those who are accused of more serious crimes, in situations where the accused has lots of disposable income that they'd be willing to part with in exchange for fleeing trial, or when the judge believes that the accused may not be entirely honest.
Zimmerman fits all three, and thus I don't find that the bail is inappropriate.
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Before saying that a bail amount is excessive, it would help to get the lay of the land and see what kinds of bail amounts are typically set. Looking at a bail bondsman might be of use, so here's a link to Aladdin: http://www.aladdinbailbonds.com/faq/
EDIT: Another reason we know it is not excessive? He just posted bond and was released.
If Zimmerman is being accused of murder, that's ridiculous. It's because the victim happened to be younger in age than his physical stature / actions would normally indicate. Otherwise this case has already (not) been tried countless times. About 15 years ago I knew a neighbor who killed a raging crazy person in his backyard. Nearby children were arguably under threat. There was no citation, no jail. It's not illegal to defend.
This case is about politics. And being prosecuted as a political crime. IMO
D L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 10794 posts, RR: 52 Reply 16, posted (1 year 5 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 1464 times:
Flighty, why did you highlight felony murder? I gave a LOT of examples, some of them were not even homicides. Why? because a $1M bail is not at all unheard of.
(By the way, the phrase "felony murder" means that a person died while the criminal was in the process of committing a felony. Like, robbing a bank, and accidently killing someone when you're trying to get away, even if you did not intend to kill.)
ltbewr From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 12675 posts, RR: 13 Reply 18, posted (1 year 5 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 1407 times:
Zimmerman not only had to put up $1 Million in bail, but also has to wear a bracelet/monitor to reduce his flight risk to the bail bondsman and the state. There is no doubt he has a lot of friends and supporters as to 2nd Amendment and other gun rights as well as the 'stand your ground' law that can put up the money he needed to meet the bond. I don't find under the circumstances the bail at $ 1 Million as unreasonable as was able to raise it. If it was too difficult, he could have appealed to a higher state court for relief.
Zimmerman has already been found guilty by some in our society, especially by persons of color. We don't know exactly what happened and one of the 'witnesses' is dead. He is to be considered by our laws innocent until the trial ends or he make a plea deal. Thus he has a right to be on bail, even a considerable one such as he has.
That's not how it works: you can't just claim "defense" and be let off.
Quoting Flighty (Reply 15): This case is about politics. And being prosecuted as a political crime. IMO
It's very much a political prosecution (they had to find a high-profile DA who loves to ruin people's lives from halfway across the state to push this), but that doesn't mean Zimmerman is necessarily innocent.