Fly777s From United States of America, joined Aug 2011, 87 posts, RR: 0 Posted (10 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 2334 times:
Forgive me if this subject has been broached recently as I haven't spent a whole lot of time on this forum in the past few months.
Due to my Facebook feed blowing up with more posts regarding Chick-fil-a's contributions to anti-gay organizations and how they should be boycotted, it made me wonder what major corporations are pro-gay, or at least gay friendly. Obviously JC Penny with Ellen DeGeneres as a spokesperson and how they handled the uproar from One Million Moms is a good example. Target and its sales of Gay Pride t-shirts is another example.
Honestly, I don't see what difference it makes to any corporation and why any corporation should feel the need to present itself as pro or anti gay. Corporations are in business to make money and that's it. I guess, however, when a corporation is threatened with a boycott or is cast in a negative spotlight said corporation must do what it takes to continue operating profitably and even go as far as to pander to the segment of society/demographics they deem will be more profitable.
vikkyvik From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 8211 posts, RR: 28 Reply 1, posted (10 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 2334 times:
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Quoting Fly777s (Thread starter):
Honestly, I don't see what difference it makes to any corporation and why any corporation should feel the need to present itself as pro or anti gay. Corporations are in business to make money and that's it. I guess, however, when a corporation is threatened with a boycott or is cast in a negative spotlight said corporation must do what it takes to continue operating profitably and even go as far as to pander to the segment of society/demographics they deem will be more profitable.
You asked and answered your own question.
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DeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 5303 posts, RR: 47 Reply 3, posted (10 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 2317 times:
I do believe Delta sponsored some Pride Parades in the past
BMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 14330 posts, RR: 26 Reply 4, posted (10 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2310 times:
Quoting Fly777s (Thread starter): Honestly, I don't see what difference it makes to any corporation and why any corporation should feel the need to present itself as pro or anti gay.
It's marketing. Gay people have money. So do right wingers. All the money is green and companies, rightfully, want to get their hands on it.
Honestly if I were running a company I wouldn't stand for anything other than making money.
Why do Aerospace Engineering students have to turn things in on time?
Fly777s From United States of America, joined Aug 2011, 87 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (10 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2300 times:
Quoting BMI727 (Reply 4): Honestly if I were running a company I wouldn't stand for anything other than making money.
My family has always been self employed and my father en-grained in me that you never involve your business in religion or politics. Your sole responsibility is to provide a product and make a profit from that service. I'm gay, but I never walk into a place of business and wonder if that business has a pro or anti gay stance. However, after last years controversy with JC Penny and One Million Mom's and now all the Chick-fil-a controversy I am more astute to it.
Airstud From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 1855 posts, RR: 1 Reply 6, posted (10 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2264 times:
Quoting BMI727 (Reply 4): Gay people have money. So do right wingers.
Well there are people who belong to both those groups.
I am pro-Target, and always have been, mainly because I like their prices, selection, and corporate citizenship. I became even pro-er Target in the face of that asinine "Boycott Target Until They Stop Supporting Anti-Gay Politics" movement in the wake of the MN Forward issue. (For those outside the U.S. and anyone else who may not know, in 2010 Target Corporation (operator of 3 billion discount/variety/grocery/drugstore/sporting goods/electronics/clothing/toy stores in the U.S.) made a donation to a pro-business lobbying group in Minnesota called MN Forward. That group later endorsed Tom Emmer for Governor of Minnesota (Emmer lost that election in 2010 to Mark Dayton - whose family (tee hee hee) owns the Target Corporation). Tom Emmer is against gay marriage. This chain of events signified, to a fair quantity of boneheaded, liberal, reactive #!&*@wads, that Target was "anti-gay;" somehow ignoring the fact that Target has one of the strongest gay rights records of any company of its sort.)
I did a whoooooole lot of shopping at Target after that "boycott" was organized.
Ya know what's an evilly anti-gay company, is ExxonMobil.
PSA53 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3004 posts, RR: 4 Reply 8, posted (10 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2243 times:
Without a doubt,rather you chose to endorse it or not,the media,both inside the industry and out,which answers a lot about the political stances by the media.
Quoting BMI727 (Reply 4): Honestly if I were running a company I wouldn't stand for anything other than making money.
Couldn't agree more and I have been provoked/tested by several political positions or sports to keep my mouth shut and make money.
Fly777s From United States of America, joined Aug 2011, 87 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (10 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2214 times:
Quoting Airstud (Reply 6): I became even pro-er Target in the face of that asinine "Boycott Target Until They Stop Supporting Anti-Gay Politics" movement in the wake of the MN Forward issue.
I remember the hooplah over that. I actually had a friend (He was originally from MN if it made any difference) who didn't speak to me for a few weeks because I continued to shop at Target. It was either Target or Wal-mart at the time, so I chose Target... If any of your peruse peopleatwalmart dot com then you'll understand why..
Quoting PSA53 (Reply 8): Couldn't agree more and I have been provoked/tested by several political positions or sports to keep my mouth shut and make money.
It was religion, politics, AND sports that my dad says to never intertwine in business... Especially here with the big Auburn and University of Alabama rivalry - you'd definitely lose customers over which ever team your business endorsed.
einsteinboricua From Puerto Rico, joined Apr 2010, 2043 posts, RR: 6 Reply 10, posted (10 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2174 times:
I've never had any reason to boycott a store. I'd be worried about their policies if I were to work in it however. As a customer, however, they want my money so whether they're pro/anti something, discrimination against a customer is not only illegal, it's not in their best interests.
Quoting ZANL188 (Reply 7): Quoting Airstud (Reply 6):
(operator of 3 billion discount/variety/grocery/drugstore/sporting goods/electronics/clothing/toy stores in the U.S.)
Wow! That's a lot of stores! What is that like 5 or 6 stores for every person in the US? Staffing must be a nightmare...
Then why is the jobless rate at 8.2%?
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BMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 14330 posts, RR: 26 Reply 11, posted (10 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2159 times:
Quoting Airstud (Reply 6): Well there are people who belong to both those groups.
Don't you read the other threads? Having anything to do with right wingers means you are a racist Christian fundamentalist who wants to rid America of anything gay, black, female, Hispanic, Asian, or non-Christian.
Why do Aerospace Engineering students have to turn things in on time?
PSA53 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3004 posts, RR: 4 Reply 13, posted (10 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 1982 times:
Quoting BMI727 (Reply 11): Quoting Airstud (Reply 6):
Well there are people who belong to both those groups.
Don't you read the other threads? Having anything to do with right wingers means you are a racist Christian fundamentalist who wants to rid America of anything gay, black, female, Hispanic, Asian, or non-Christian.
Huh? A little brutal,don't you think? You mean ultra liberals from that list right?Not liberal, moderate or conservative that also happens to roam planet earth.You also do know they're are conservative gays? So,stop stereotyping.
Aloha717200 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4397 posts, RR: 17 Reply 14, posted (10 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 1968 times:
Back on topic, Oreo officially supported gay rights on their facebook page, as well. This sparked some to boycott Oreo, and by extention, all Kraft products. (good luck with that)
LOWS From Austria, joined Oct 2011, 984 posts, RR: 1 Reply 15, posted (10 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 1951 times:
Quoting GSPflyer (Reply 12): I will be the first to point out the irony that every Chick-Fil-A is closed on Sunday because of their founders deep Southern Baptist beliefs.
I ate at one of those sometimes when I was a student in the US. I remember reading on their „About Us“ placard on the table „...We weren't trying to make a point, we were just tired!“
But one of my former colleagues used to read it out „We weren't tryin' to make a point, we were just TIIIR'D“
bjorn14 From Norway, joined Feb 2010, 2776 posts, RR: 2 Reply 16, posted (10 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 1883 times:
Quoting GSPflyer (Reply 12): will be the first to point out the irony that every Chick-Fil-A is closed on Sunday because of their founders deep Southern Baptist beliefs.
How is that irony? They are keeping the Fourth Commandment.
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DocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 16819 posts, RR: 57 Reply 17, posted (10 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1812 times:
Both Google and Subway have made it clear that they support full equality world-wide.
Quoting Fly777s (Reply 5): my father en-grained in me that you never involve your business in religion or politics.
Well said. However, I don't view having a pro-gay stance as being political; I view it as being personal. Then again, my husband and I are stuck in the middle of this.
GSPflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 351 posts, RR: 0 Reply 18, posted (10 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1796 times:
Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 16):
How is that irony? They are keeping the Fourth Commandment.
Disregard my first post. I read the title of the thread that said "Pro-Gay" corporations, and then I misread the part where the OP said Chick-Fil-A donated to Anti-Gay organizations....I thought it said Chick-Fil-A donated to Pro-Gay organizations.
aznmadsci From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 3541 posts, RR: 5 Reply 19, posted (10 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 1784 times:
Quoting Aloha717200 (Reply 14): Back on topic, Oreo officially supported gay rights on their facebook page, as well. This sparked some to boycott Oreo, and by extention, all Kraft products. (good luck with that)
Reminds me of those wanting to boycott Disney especially when they host Gay Days.
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stealthz From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5431 posts, RR: 49 Reply 20, posted (10 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 1743 times:
There should be no "Pro- Gay Corporation" just as there should be no pro-women, black, asian, native etc. organisations.
There should be sanctions of a legal nature against any who substitute anti for pro but if we are to live in an inclusive world there is no place for an organisation based on "Pro" any special interest group.
There are far too many members of these groups that work very hard to maintain (or extend) their special place as a disadvantaged minority... work harder at not being different.
I am not saying don't be gay, black, indigenous etc just don't work so hard at gaining benefit from it!!
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Ken777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7453 posts, RR: 5 Reply 24, posted (10 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 1608 times:
Quoting GSPflyer (Reply 12):
I will be the first to point out the irony that every Chick-Fil-A is closed on Sunday because of their founders deep Southern Baptist beliefs.
I can respect those beliefs, but have a problem with intolerance when pushed.
In terms of the corporate world, I believe that well run companies have already eliminated discrimination based on orientation. Best example is Apple. Not only do they have a policy of non-discrimination, they have a new CEO who happens to be gay. And who also happens to be an outstanding CEO.
Companies who retain discrimination against gays are simply missing out on employees who can be outstanding. They diminish potential success because they miss out on some outstanding people.
WestJet747 From Canada, joined Aug 2011, 1262 posts, RR: 7 Reply 25, posted (10 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 1610 times:
Quoting stealthz (Reply 20): There should be sanctions of a legal nature against any who substitute anti for pro
Please outline, if you can, the illegalities of an entity being "pro" anything.
Quoting stealthz (Reply 20): if we are to live in an inclusive world there is no place for an organisation based on "Pro" any special interest group.
So if I read that correctly, we should also get rid of organizations that are proactive in getting homeless people employed and into affordable housing?
Ken777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7453 posts, RR: 5 Reply 27, posted (10 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 1563 times:
Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 25): Well that's up for debate. He's no Steve Jobs.
Considering that he was the operational brains behind Apple's supply chains (and had a huge impact on the company because of his work) I put him very high on the lists of CEOs. Another vote for him was that he was Jobs choice.
In reality I doubt if we will ever see another Steve Jobs. He came along at the perfect time and was able to achieve a lot because of that timing. Don't look for a repeat performance from anyone in the future.
stealthz From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5431 posts, RR: 49 Reply 28, posted (10 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 1551 times:
Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 25): Quoting stealthz (Reply 20):
There should be sanctions of a legal nature against any who substitute anti for pro
Please outline, if you can, the illegalities of an entity being "pro" anything.
The sanctions are for those that are ANTI not PRO.
My point is if we took the appropriate action against those that discriminated against gays, Asians,women or whom ever there would be no place for PRO organisations.
Those that lived, more importantly, worked through the dark days of affirmative action may have a better understanding of what I mean.
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DocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 16819 posts, RR: 57 Reply 29, posted (10 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 1551 times:
Quoting stealthz (Reply 20):
There are far too many members of these groups that work very hard to maintain (or extend) their special place as a disadvantaged minority... work harder at not being different.
I am not saying don't be gay, black, indigenous etc just don't work so hard at gaining benefit from it!!
What benefit? I don't have the same legal rights as the dude next to me. As soon as I do, I'll shut up.
DeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 5303 posts, RR: 47 Reply 30, posted (10 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 1511 times:
Quoting DocLightning (Reply 29): What benefit? I don't have the same legal rights as the dude next to me. As soon as I do, I'll shut up.
Wait, I thought the gay agenda was a lot more menacing?
Quoting DocLightning (Reply 17):
Both Google and Subway have made it clear that they support full equality world-wide.
Didn't know that... I eat Subway all the time so I feel a little bit better
DocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 16819 posts, RR: 57 Reply 31, posted (10 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 1478 times:
Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 30): Wait, I thought the gay agenda was a lot more menacing?
DeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 5303 posts, RR: 47 Reply 32, posted (10 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1375 times:
Quoting DocLightning (Reply 31):
Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 30):
Wait, I thought the gay agenda was a lot more menacing?
Only for you, honey.
So by gay people do you mean hot lesbians??
And back on topic so my post doesn't get deleted, how has Subway and Google supported same-sex marriage? Being good to their gay employees or being more public? Imagine how effective a boycott on Google would be
DocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 16819 posts, RR: 57 Reply 33, posted (10 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 1293 times:
Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 32):
And back on topic so my post doesn't get deleted, how has Subway and Google supported same-sex marriage? Being good to their gay employees or being more public? Imagine how effective a boycott on Google would be
They have both publicly stated that they support it. Google is going for a global approach. Subway has been VERY proactive in dealing with a few anti-gay incidents at their franchises. In Iceland (of all places) a customer wearing a pink shirt was denied service because the employee thought he might be gay. The customer (whose sexual orientation wasn't disclosed) complained to Subway's Icelandic HQ and the employee was fired, while the customer got a formal apology. Then, there's this: http://blogs.wsj.com/independentstre...-forced-to-recall-prop-8-donation/
raffik From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2006, 1645 posts, RR: 4 Reply 34, posted (10 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 1237 times:
I am gay.. and I don't understand "pro gay companies". Everyone should be treated equally across the board.
You shouldn't be treated differently because you're homosexual or black or whatever. At the end of the day,
we are all human and we should treat each other with equality and respect
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Couldn't agree more and I have been provoked/tested by several political positions or sports to keep my mouth shut and make money.
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