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Opel To Unveil "Adam" City Car At Paris Auto Show  
User currently offlinestasisLAX From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3283 posts, RR: 6
Posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 3457 times:

Opel has confirmed that its new Adam city car will offer three doors, seating for four, and will measure 145.7 inches long. That makes the Adam the same size as a Mini Cooper hatchback, and only 6 inches longer than the current Fiat 500. Those cars – and upcoming Volkswagen’s Up! – are undoubtedly the targets for the Adam; Opel claims the model will be highly customizable, just like the Fiat 500 and the Mini Cooper. BMW has publicly stated that it has plans to expand the Mini line-up to as many as ten models and is looking to open another European assembly plant, so Opel is playing a desperate game of catch-up at the moment with Mini/BMW.

The Adam was fully designed and engineered in Germany and is built utilizing the next-generation Corsa platform, but will be more a "premium" vehicle than the Corsa. It also will be sold in the U.K. as the Vauxhall Adam. Most auto press reports have indicated the Adam will use of small three- and four-cylinder engines, with the largest four cylinder motor displacing no more than 1.6 liters. There is very little hope that the Adam will be sold in the USA - the newly released (and uber-funky looking) 2013 Chevy Spark now fills the small urban car niche here for General Motors - and there will likely be an all-electric version of the Spark sold here in America shortly.

Numerous Photos and Source: http://www.leftlanenews.com/opel-adam.html


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User currently offlineoldeuropean From Germany, joined May 2005, 2091 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 3409 times:

I'm sure, Adam Opel is rotating in his grave for decades.

It's a shame what GM has done with Opel.
Since the 80th Opel no longer has anything to do with, what is called "German engineering". They simply build boring cars without any inovation for old people, because billions of profit (which was needed for inovation) has gone to GM and it is only a matter of time, when this brand will disappear. In Germany they lose more and more of their market share.

Who, beside of a few old age pensioners and some chavs wants to buy an Opel?  

[Edited 2012-07-10 01:48:54]

[Edited 2012-07-10 01:50:13]


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User currently offlineTripleDelta From Croatia, joined Jul 2004, 1123 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 3393 times:
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Quoting oldeuropean (Reply 1):
Who, beside of a few old age pensioners and some chavs wants to buy an Opel?

You'd be surprised at their success on (some) foreign markets. In Croatia for example, you can't go a hundred yards without seeing at least a dozen new Astras and Insignias. Corsas and Antaras are a bit rarer, but still you can't turn a corner without tripping over an Opel - most of which are driven by people in their 20s and 30s  .

Along with VW, Opel has traditionally been one of the consistently best-selling manufacturers on the Balkans - undoubtedly due to their "Made in Germany" legacy and (mostly) agreeable price.



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User currently offlinePs76 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 3358 times:

Hi!

I did a google search and there are some spy pics of it revealed online. It looks to me very weird like most of the cars built today.

For me the best thing GM made in Europe was the Chevrolet Lacetti Sedan. I just love the way it looks both inside and out. Classy like a poor man's BMW or a Toyota from the 80s. Being GM they did a good thing and then stopped doing it and started making worse stuff. I wish I had one:

http://www.kaliteliresimler.com/data/media/1733/lacetti4d-2008-sedan-2.jpg

http://wikimac.ru/img/LacettiSedan/1.jpg

Sorry for going a bit off topic. I didn't want to post the Opel pics because people might be waiting to see proper pics.

Many thanks.

P.


User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6669 posts, RR: 11
Reply 4, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks ago) and read 3301 times:

If we're not talking about the US then the Up! is not an upcoming car, it's on the streets. But it has nothing to do with a Mini or a 500. The Up! is a cheap "utilitarian" city car with very small engines competing with the Renault Twingo, Citroën C1/Peugeot 107/Toyota Aygo, Fiat Panda... They are all clearly destined to young drivers without money.

The Mini and the 500 are not cheap, have bigger engines, a better design, more equipment, can be customized. They're upmarket small cars.

VW doesn't have that kind of small upmarket car, Audi does with the A1. From the pictures it looks like the Adam will try to compete in that segment. In that market there is also the Citroën DS3, selling very well here, I don't know about the rest of Europe :

http://hfr-rehost.net/http://www.sportscarzone.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/Citroen-DS3-5.jpg



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User currently offlinepetertenthije From Netherlands, joined Jul 2001, 3369 posts, RR: 12
Reply 5, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 3275 times:

Quoting stasisLAX (Thread starter):
BMW has publicly stated that it has plans to expand the Mini line-up to as many as ten models and is looking to open another European assembly plant,

According to Autoweek (NL) BMW has selected the Nedcar plant in Born, the Netherlands. At the moment the plant manufactures the Mitsubishi Colt, but the new model will be made elsewhere.

In the past this plant also made Smart ForFours and various models for Volvo, Mitsubishi and DAF (back when DAF made passenger cars).

Here's a Dutch link:
http://www.autoweek.nl/autonieuws/19...igt-we-willen-minis-in-born-bouwen



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User currently offlinekiwirob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7411 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 3239 times:

Quoting stasisLAX (Thread starter):
and upcoming Volkswagen’s Up!

The Up! has been on sale for a couple of months, I've already seen a few on the roads here in Norway.


User currently offlineIH8BY From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 1142 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 3228 times:

Quoting stasisLAX (Thread starter):
It also will be sold in the U.K. as the Vauxhall Adam

I'm surprised that all reports I've read so far suggest they're keeping the 'Adam' name - although it means something to Opel I suspect it will won't resound with the Vauxhall-buying public. I'm also not sure that it's a wise idea for Vauxhall/Opel to try the upmarket game, whatever size sector it's intending to compete in. Consider that, despite its success, the Citroën DS3 is still viewed as something of an upstart amongst its 'premium brand' competitors; Citroën at least has a history of quirky and exciting cars to its name, and in my mind would have less of a challenge moving its brand upmarket than Vauxhall, whose brand is very much an icon of the mass market here.

It's a pity, because GM Europe makes some fine cars, the Insignia and Astra in particular. Granted, they may not have the image or perceived quality of the premium brands, but arguably they're very competitive products that well deserve a second look and a test drive.



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User currently offlinecargolex From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 1271 posts, RR: 8
Reply 8, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3204 times:

Quoting oldeuropean (Reply 1):
It's a shame what GM has done with Opel.

Considering that GM has owned 100% of Opel for 81 years, I'm not really sure I'd agree with that. Nearly every Opel, good or bad, in living memory has been a GM product. I don't think there are many, if any, people around today who purchased a new Opel prior to GM's purchase of the company.


User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6669 posts, RR: 11
Reply 9, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 3192 times:

Yeah, about the Adam name, I don't know if it works in German, but in French it's a little bit strange, you wonder if they want to evoke the bible or something, and then Eve would make more sense, a car (une voiture) is feminine in French and most cars with a name have feminine names.


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User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 14026 posts, RR: 62
Reply 10, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 3187 times:

Quoting Aesma (Reply 9):
Yeah, about the Adam name, I don't know if it works in German, but in French it's a little bit strange, you wonder if they want to evoke the bible or something, and then Eve would make more sense, a car (une voiture) is feminine in French and most cars with a name have feminine names.

The founder´s name of the Opel company was Adam Opel.

Jan


User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6669 posts, RR: 11
Reply 11, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 3177 times:

And who knows that outside (and even inside) Germany ?


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User currently offlinestasisLAX From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3283 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 3138 times:

Quoting Aesma (Reply 9):
a car (une voiture) is feminine in French and most cars with a name have feminine names.

Which is a problem for the Adam, because I see it as primarily a "chick" car due to it's styling.

As for the Opel Astra, the current Verano is basically a Astra sedan;. Buick is said to be importing the Astra 3-door hatchback to the USA in the next year, which will apparently include the basic Astra 3-door and high-performance Astra GTC (to be a GS sport model here - to copy the Regal GS naming protocol) to compete against the pricey ($25 to $29K USD) new Ford Focus ST sport compact. The automotive rumor mill has it that the Astra convertible may also be sold here, as Buick's marketing department is keenly looking to add another sporty premium small car to the US model line-up, to complement to Verano and the upcoming 2013 1/2 Encore mini-ute (which looks exactly like a Buick-fied Pontiac Vibe to me, but is based on the (suprise!) Opel Mokka..... which I can't see being a sales success here in America, but the Encore will probably be a solid sales success in China, its primary marketplace.



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User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7582 posts, RR: 42
Reply 13, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 3127 times:

Quoting Ps76 (Reply 3):
For me the best thing GM made in Europe was the Chevrolet Lacetti Sedan. I just love the way it looks both inside and out. Classy like a poor man's BMW or a Toyota from the 80s. Being GM they did a good thing and then stopped doing it and started making worse stuff. I wish I had one:

Wow, beauty really is in the eye of the beholder.



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User currently offlinestasisLAX From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3283 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 3065 times:

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 13):
beauty really is in the eye of the beholder.

And build quality was in the domain of GM/Daewoo. Scary!   



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User currently offlinestasisLAX From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3283 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 3058 times:

Opel Adam model line


Official GM/Opel photo for the new Adam model line.



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User currently offlinekiwirob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7411 posts, RR: 5
Reply 16, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 3044 times:

Quoting Aesma (Reply 11):
And who knows that outside (and even inside) Germany ?

Me, the company is officially called Adam Opel AG.

Quoting stasisLAX (Reply 15):

Official GM/Opel photo for the new Adam model line.

Surprisingly attractive, especially the red and black one.


User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15745 posts, RR: 27
Reply 17, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 3042 times:

Quoting kiwirob (Reply 16):
Surprisingly attractive, especially the red and black one.

Definitely. Much nicer than the Fiat 500, Smart, or Scion (Toyota for foreigners) iQ.



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User currently offlinekiwirob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7411 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 3040 times:

I like the 500, it's a great looking car, it's far more attractive than the mechanically identical Ford Ka, I'd probably see 10 500's for every Ka.

User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15745 posts, RR: 27
Reply 19, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 3036 times:

Quoting kiwirob (Reply 18):

I like the 500, it's a great looking car, it's far more attractive than the mechanically identical Ford Ka, I'd probably see 10 500's for every Ka.

I think the proportions are wonky. It looks like it's rolling on wheels from a golf cart.

The Adam is shaped basically the same way, but it actually looks like a car. The trick to styling a subcompact car is making in not look like a subcompact car.



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User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6669 posts, RR: 11
Reply 20, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2998 times:

I think the shape is too conservative, looks like a small Renault Clio 3.


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User currently offlineCharles79 From Puerto Rico, joined Mar 2007, 1331 posts, RR: 5
Reply 21, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 2949 times:

Quoting Aesma (Reply 20):
I think the shape is too conservative, looks like a small Renault Clio 3.

I agree, and for some reason it doesn't say "premium" in the same way as a Citroën DS3 or a MINI does. On the flip side, it doesn't seem as cheerful as some of the other sub-compacts such as the Twingo or 500 despite the smiling face. Obviously there's TONS more to a car than simply the way it looks but if you are targeting the emotional buyers (who will see their cars more as an accessory rather than a transportation tool) then what I have seen so far doesn't impress me. I guess I need to see one in the flesh before I pass final judgment.


User currently offlinecanoecarrier From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2839 posts, RR: 12
Reply 22, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 2943 times:

Quoting kiwirob (Reply 18):
I like the 500, it's a great looking car, it's far more attractive than the mechanically identical Ford Ka, I'd probably see 10 500's for every Ka.

I like it too. They have a dealership here in Seattle. I went for a couple hundred mile road trip this past weekend and saw a dozen of them on the roads.

Given that a number of the cars mentioned above aren't sold in the US, the Fiat 500 is a nice, small city dwellers car.



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User currently offlineprebennorholm From Denmark, joined Mar 2000, 6453 posts, RR: 54
Reply 23, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2898 times:

Quoting oldeuropean (Reply 1):
It's a shame what GM has done with Opel.
Since the 80th Opel no longer has anything to do with, what is called "German engineering". They simply build boring cars without any inovation for old people, because billions of profit (which was needed for inovation) has gone to GM and it is only a matter of time, when this brand will disappear. In Germany they lose more and more of their market share.

I guess that's the reason why Opel got a new CEO today - the 3rd CEO in just as many years.

An American with a heavy fist. (That's what the press tells up here). A man who can slash costs and make sure that the former westward profit flow can be reestablished so Government Motors can soon buy back its good old name, General Motors.



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User currently offlineoldeuropean From Germany, joined May 2005, 2091 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2877 times:

Quoting prebennorholm (Reply 23):
I guess that's the reason why Opel got a new CEO today - the 3rd CEO in just as many years.

Another reasons for the downfall is the fact that GM don't allow Opel to sell cars outside Europe and that, beside of the former profit, GM also have transfered every single patent away from Opel.

In 1 to 2 years, Opel will be vanished.

[Edited 2012-07-13 00:42:07]


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25 petertenthije : Instead GM lets Buick do so with Opel's designs. Then brag how awesome Buick is, and how profitable they are. Conveniently forgetting it ain't hard t
26 stasisLAX : For two BIG reasons: first, Buick has been a highly popular "status" brand in China for decades - the Chinese Communist party leaders from the 1950s
27 EddieDude : It reminds me a bit of the A1. Must be the roof from the A- to the C-pillar in a contrasting color.
28 Bill142 : The Opel brand is launching in Australia before years end.
29 racko : Against all odds, Opel actually still is building decent cars (Corsa, Astra, Insignia). Their declinsing market share is because of all the uncertain
30 RayChuang : I would LOVE to see GM offer the Opel Adam here in the USA to direct compete against the Fiat 500, possibly as a Buick model. Put in a 1.4-liter EcoFL
31 aloges : I'm not so sure about it. Transferring the patent rights from Opel to GM for nothing and then having Opel pay GM for their use seems to be simply a w
32 racko : Didn't they transfer those patents back to Opel a few years ago?
33 ME AVN FAN : Looks nice indeed !
34 Post contains images Ken777 : OK, I'm old (sorta) and we bought an Opel designed Commodore when we lived in PER. That is probably a larger market segment than the old drivers with
35 racko : Enzo Ferrari.
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