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Man Gets 5 Years For Criticising Custody Judge  
User currently offlinemoo From Falkland Islands, joined May 2007, 4089 posts, RR: 4
Posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 2638 times:

Its long been accepted that child custody cases are biased toward the mother in divorces, however this particular case jumps to the top of the heap in pure stupidity.

Dan and Melissa Brewington divorced in 2007 after 5 years of marriage and two children. Both parents applied for custody, and the mother was given primary custody during the case.

Quote:

During the entire course of the two and a half year custody case, no allegation of violence, physical or sexual abuse, neglect, drug or alcohol abuse was ever leveled at Dan Brewington. And of course he had his daughters three days a week, so someone must have thought he was a pretty good dad.

However, the judges final ruling gave full custody to the mother, and removed all rights of visitation from the father.

Why? No reason was given. The court evaluators report was kept from him, the judge declined to give a full reason for the ruling.

So Dan Brewington investigated deeper and found a litany of issues with the judge, the court custody evaluator and the ruling. So the DA brought charges against him specifically designed to shut him up, and he ends up with a 5 year prison sentence.

http://www.fathersandfamilies.org/20...iticizing-judge-custody-evaluator/

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User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7719 posts, RR: 21
Reply 1, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2560 times:

Good God! What the hell kind of system allows children to be separated from a parent without giving reasons?? Totally monstrous if true.


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User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6932 posts, RR: 12
Reply 2, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2529 times:

I often get lessons here on "freedom of speech" and how our French laws banning the negation of genocides carrying one year prison sentences are undemocratic (in practice, no-one ever got more than a small fine). I guess 5 years for a few insults is perfectly democratic !


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User currently offlineTSS From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 3070 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2513 times:

Could it be that the DA gave the man in question tailor-made grounds for appeal and a subsequent investigation of the judge on purpose? I'm just askin'...


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User currently offlinetugger From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 5785 posts, RR: 10
Reply 4, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2481 times:

Interesting read here on the issue. Doesn't appear biased either way:
http://www.eaglecountryonline.com/news.php?nID=2420

I can understand the anger over losing his kids and then not seeing the reasoning behind (and that should have been made available but I don't know all the information that was behind the decision either) but I can also see that Mr. Brewington probably needs to be more responsible in his actions as well.

Obviously this is not done yet and appeals are on going and so we will have to wait and see how this turns out.

Tugg



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User currently offlinemoo From Falkland Islands, joined May 2007, 4089 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2462 times:

Quoting tugger (Reply 4):
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The problem is, the prosecution and the ruling that jailed him was made on the basis that what he wrote on his blog was not "political speech".

Where in the First Amendment does it limit free speech to just political speech?

Quote:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Yes, Dan Brewington wrote some inflammatory things, but that does not make it speech that can be restricted, unless what he said could be proven to be libellous.


User currently offlinedcaviation From Poland, joined Aug 2011, 222 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2460 times:

Quoting RussianJet (Reply 1):
Good God! What the hell kind of system allows children to be separated from a parent without giving reasons?? Totally monstrous if true.

Try Norway. If the kid is sad at school, government will take him/her away from parents and place that kid in the foster home.
Can you tip that?


User currently offlinekiwirob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7832 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2453 times:

Quoting dcaviation (Reply 6):
Try Norway. If the kid is sad at school, government will take him/her away from parents and place that kid in the foster home.
Can you tip that?

Rubbish, you find me a single case in Norway where a kid was taken away from their parents just because they were sad at school. If a child was taken away the reasons would not be just because they were sad, it would be for other reasons like being beaten, drug or alcohol abuse, but not because they were sad.


User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6932 posts, RR: 12
Reply 8, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2451 times:

People call murder on other people on the net and don't get jail sentences...


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User currently offlinetugger From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 5785 posts, RR: 10
Reply 9, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2437 times:

Quoting moo (Reply 5):
The problem is, the prosecution and the ruling that jailed him was made on the basis that what he wrote on his blog was not "political speech".

Where in the First Amendment does it limit free speech to just political speech?

Quote:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Yes, Dan Brewington wrote some inflammatory things, but that does not make it speech that can be restricted, unless what he said could be proven to be libellous.

Well from the article I linked:

Quote:
But Negangard argued that Brewington's blog entries crossed the line, going from political speech - protected by the U.S. Constitution - to lies and "fighting words." He citied various U.S. Supreme Court and lower court cases.

"I want you to imagine a world," Negangard implored the jury, "where witnesses can be subject to daily attacks and ridicule and the person who wrote that cannot be held accountable."
[...]

During a Dearborn County Grand Jury convened shortly before his arrest, Brewington claimed that he was not aware that Heidi Humphrey was married to Judge Humphrey when he asked readers of his blog to send her letters about the court's conduct.

Barrett argued that Brewington committed no crime by publishing the couple's address on his blog because it was widely available on the internet, including the Dearborn County Assessor's website where Brewington testified to the Grand Jury he had found it. That website listed Humphrey's home as belonging to both James and Heidi Humphrey, which dented Brewington's claim that he did not know the two were married and led to the conviction on the Perjury charge.

I don't know what is really going on here with the situation. I don't know if the court wronged Mr. Brewington, and I don't know the full extent of, nor how bad the blog posts were. I just know there is more to the story and right now I can't take either side.

Tugg



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User currently offlineMaverick623 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 5738 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 2386 times:

Quoting moo (Thread starter):
however this particular case jumps to the top of the heap in pure stupidity.

This is what happens when you form an opinion based on a single (obviously biased) source. This line says it all:

Quote:
You’re thinking that Dan Brewington, like all Americans, has freedom of speech. Moreover, you’re thinking that, because Judge Humphrey is a public figure, anyone can say pretty near anything about him that’s isn’t known to be false, without consequences. You’d be right about both those things...

Last I checked, you're not allowed to harass, threaten, intimidate, or use "fighting words" about someone. Also, he did say things known to be false: calling a judge a "child abuser" and a licensed psychologist a "pervert"?

Just shows that the judge made the right decision, and that this guy is clearly unstable. I like the bit where he lied to a grand jury about not knowing that the judge's wife was the judge's wife.



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User currently offlineMortyman From Norway, joined Aug 2006, 4089 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 2367 times:

Quoting dcaviation (Reply 6):
Try Norway. If the kid is sad at school, government will take him/her away from parents and place that kid in the foster home.
Can you tip that?

I like to hear where you have gotten this information ? FOX news is it ?

It's a lot of rubbish.

Quoting dcaviation (Reply 6):
Rubbish, you find me a single case in Norway where a kid was taken away from their parents just because they were sad at school. If a child was taken away the reasons would not be just because they were sad, it would be for other reasons like being beaten, drug or alcohol abuse, but not because they were sad.

Agreed


User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6932 posts, RR: 12
Reply 12, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 2367 times:

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 10):
Just shows that the judge made the right decision, and that this guy is clearly unstable.

You mean that if you lost your children for no good reason you would stay perfectly stable ?



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User currently offlinetugger From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 5785 posts, RR: 10
Reply 13, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 2349 times:

Quoting Aesma (Reply 12):
You mean that if you lost your children for no good reason you would stay perfectly stable?

Or did he lose his children for good reason BECAUSE he has shown himself to not be perfectly stable?

I don't know, and I hope more information comes to light beside the little shown here but the judge has made a decision (though I would be interested in seeing what went into that decision as the father, Mr. Brewington, has requested).

Tugg



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User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7978 posts, RR: 51
Reply 14, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 2286 times:

Quoting kiwirob (Reply 7):
Rubbish, you find me a single case in Norway where a kid was taken away from their parents just because they were sad at school. If a child was taken away the reasons would not be just because they were sad, it would be for other reasons like being beaten, drug or alcohol abuse, but not because they were sad.

Maybe he meant to say "bad" at school... as in the kid is getting all Fs and the parents are doing nothing about it. If he did mean to say "sad" well... I dunno beats me



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User currently offlinedcaviation From Poland, joined Aug 2011, 222 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 2249 times:

This is from one place:

But seriously, I think that kidnapping immigrant children is a good deal for the Norwegians: the real parents have to pay 1000 Euro a month for their kidnapped child as long as it stays with foster Norwegian family.
I have read that Norwegians take away up to 3000 immigrant children per year. Screaming at the child may be interpreted as "psychological violence" and valid reason to take the child from her real family.

Another one:

Regan says:
October 11, 2011 at 6:45 pm

What do you know about? The norwegian just kidnapped child with out cheking the family situation. just because the child was sad!!!!
according to the norwegian law they can take child from the turist, and there is not warranty that they parents will get child back. that is in norwegian law

One article
http://english.pravda.ru/society/sto...-08-2011/118793-children_norway-0/

Another article
http://www.indianexpress.com/news/in...or-release-of-nri-children/903087/

Yet another one
http://english.pravda.ru/society/sto...-07-2011/118418-norway_children-0/

Another text
Several days ago Polish private detective Krzysztof Rutkowski with his
team, acting on the behalf of Polish parents, who had been living in
Norway for the last 5 years, managed to rescue their child, 9-year old
Nikola, from a Norwegian foster family. The girl was put there by the
feared Norwegian Barneverntjenesten – a communal agency responsible
for “child policy” of the Norwegian nazi state. Similar agency exists
in the twin Scando-socialist welfare regime of Sweden. These nazi
state organizations are notorious for kidnapping children from their
parents under pretences of helping the kids, as only a suspicion of
“mistreatment” by a social worker is enough for the agency to enforce
its competence of taking child away. Then he/she is usually moved to a
foster home. Often – a single young adult, unemployed, who gets
additional welfare for “raising” such an adopted child.

More reading about Norway's child care system
http://linnearett.blogspot.com/2011/.../krzysztof-rutkowski-good-man.html


And if you are too lazy to search for more Norwegian fun, I took the opportunity to do it for you.
http://googleitfor.me/?q=Norway+child+care+stories


User currently offlineNorthstarBoy From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1872 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 2225 times:
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Cases like this illustrate the one major issue our system has, Judges aren't accountable to anyone. It's also the ony part of our system that goes directly back to the monarchy we supposedly fought an eight year war of independence to get away from: A judge sits as a proxy for the king and thus is due all honors and respect that would normally be due the king were he sitting in judgement of the case himself. Where do you think the concept that you have to rise when the judge enters comes from? or the notion that you have to wear a suit to court, or address the judge as your honor? you have to behave before a judge in such a way as if you were having an audience with or addressing the king himself, because the judge is his proxy. As such he has the powers that the king would be able to exercise were the king present including the ability to throw you in jail or if circumstances merit, order you put to death.

Aside from that, you have to look at the source, it's a website that promotes fathers' rights, so of course they're going to have an agenda, to promote the virtues of fathers' involvement in the lives of their children. The father also has an agenda, he wants access to his children. The court appointed advocate also has an agenda, to serve the interests of the children themselves. Sure, the father would like to know what's in the advocate's case file, but that file assumably includes transcripts of interviews with the children. Isn't that a great idea, give the father ammunition to use against his children by allowing him to see what they said about his behavior as a parent in confidence. That in turn may put the children in danger. The judge has an obligation to protect the children from that percieved danger by acting on the recommendations made by the advocate. Further, if protecting the children means denying the father access to any kind of reasoning for the ruling, that's the way it is. My gut feeling is that the father brought it on himself through his own behavior towards his soon to be ex wife and kids.

And now he's crying foul because he's being punished. Maybe some self examination on his part is in order.



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User currently offlineMortyman From Norway, joined Aug 2006, 4089 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2204 times:

Quoting dcaviation (Reply 15):
This is from one place:

and naturally you have chosen excerpts from articles published in these childrens birth countries, who ofcourse will support the parents, without checking facts and paint a picture of Norway as a bad wolf. There are atleast two sides to every story you know ...

Just read through the excerpts you have posted ..., the media you have chosen call Norway a nazi country ?!

You actually take this seriously ?!

Try and be a little bit critical, will you

[Edited 2012-07-10 22:14:31]

User currently offlineDoona From Sweden, joined Feb 2005, 3772 posts, RR: 13
Reply 18, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2187 times:

Quoting dcaviation (Reply 15):
a communal agency responsible for “child policy” of the Norwegian nazi state.

Yeah, this particular tidbit does loads for the credibility your argument. Of course there are issues with child protection services, but that is true for EVERY SINGLE CITY IN THE WORLD.

Taking someone's kid away from them is tricky business, but there are plenty of cases where it's the only viable course of action in order to make sure the kid is safe. I've yet to see any evidence that Norway, or her twin Scando-socialist regime in Sweden for that matter, is much worse than anywhere else in the world.

Quoting dcaviation (Reply 15):
Regan says:
October 11, 2011 at 6:45 pm

This is a source?

Cheers
Mats



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User currently offlinedcaviation From Poland, joined Aug 2011, 222 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2136 times:

Quoting Mortyman (Reply 17):
and naturally you have chosen excerpts from articles published in these childrens birth countries

Nope, you didn't get Polish article. Just about the Russian boy and Indian kids.

Quoting Mortyman (Reply 17):
Just read through the excerpts you have posted ..., the media you have chosen call Norway a nazi country ?!

I didn't call your country nazi. media did. don't blame me.

Quoting Mortyman (Reply 17):
You actually take this seriously ?!

not the nazi part, but everything else yes.

Quoting Doona (Reply 18):
Yeah, this particular tidbit does loads for the credibility your argument. Of course there are issues with child protection services, but that is true for EVERY SINGLE CITY IN THE WORLD.

Yes, but its disturbing when you read A LOT of the stories from Norway alone. Hopefully they changed some policies since last year. 2011 was not the best year for publicity for Norway.


I've been following closely the story of 9yo girl Nikola. How come Polish embassy in Oslo didn't stop Rutkowski when he informed them that he will retrieve her from the foster family? They knew every single detail about his intentions.

You asked for one example. I gave you 3. Good day.


User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7719 posts, RR: 21
Reply 20, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 2084 times:

Quoting Mortyman (Reply 17):
and naturally you have chosen excerpts from articles published in these childrens birth countries, who ofcourse will support the parents, without checking facts and paint a picture of Norway as a bad wolf. There are atleast two sides to every story you know ...

Inded. I liked this excerpt from one Pravda link:

Quote:
Polish newspapers wrote that Norwegian child protection services take as many as 300,000 children away from their parents, presumably immigrants, every year.

With a total Norwegian population of around five million, I can only assume then that every single Child in Norway gets 'kidnapped' at some point in their life then!   



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User currently offlinestasisLAX From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3287 posts, RR: 6
Reply 21, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2013 times:

Quoting tugger (Reply 13):
Or did he lose his children for good reason BECAUSE he has shown himself to not be perfectly stable?

Seems like a battle of sociopaths to me - both the father and the judge. Insanity reigns on both sides of this in my opinion.



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User currently offlinepoLOT From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 2366 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2010 times:

His mistake was he was representing himself. Never represent yourself.

User currently offlinerfields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 7607 posts, RR: 32
Reply 23, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 1970 times:

Quoting NorthstarBoy (Reply 16):
Judges aren't accountable to anyone.

Judges are accountable.

In most courts around the US - there are accountable to the voters.

But if their conduct crosses the line, they can and are prosecuted. A judge was removed here in Collin County Texas (just north of Dallas) recently.

A US Federal Judge was removed after impeachment (probably the only thing the House voted unanimously on that year) and a US Senate trial in 2010. Another US Federal Judge resigned that year after being impeached rather than face a US Senate trial.


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