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Should BMW, Build A X4  
User currently offline747400sp From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3621 posts, RR: 2
Posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 1937 times:

Should BMW introduce us, to a slope back version of the X3, which would be called a X4? The X6 is a slope back version of the X5, so why not have a slope back version of the X3.

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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15744 posts, RR: 27
Reply 1, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 1937 times:

Sensible people everywhere are still trying to figure out why the X6 exists.


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User currently offlinefridgmus From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 1442 posts, RR: 10
Reply 2, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1888 times:
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Quoting BMI727 (Reply 1):
Sensible people everywhere are still trying to figure out why the X6 exists.

Look at this way BMI, it's a 4x4 Sports Car!!!

I know I'm in the minority here, but for some strange reason, I really like the X6. I got a ride in one when I was in Kuwait, (where there are a lot of them) and I really enjoyed it. It rode well, had plenty of power, although we did not exceed about 90 MPH. Took corners fairly well for a vehicle of that size and height. I didn't get a chance to drive one though.

Install some good sport suspension to drop it down and some low profile tires and you just might have a "Street Sleeper"!

I wouldn't mind owning one.



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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15744 posts, RR: 27
Reply 3, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1885 times:

Quoting fridgmus (Reply 2):
Look at this way BMI, it's a 4x4 Sports Car!!!

Porsche's been doing that since the 1980s.

Quoting fridgmus (Reply 2):
I know I'm in the minority here, but for some strange reason, I really like the X6. I got a ride in one when I was in Kuwait, (where there are a lot of them) and I really enjoyed it. It rode well, had plenty of power, although we did not exceed about 90 MPH. Took corners fairly well for a vehicle of that size and height. I didn't get a chance to drive one though.

But how is it any better than what's already offered? The X6 offers all the downsides of the X5 with none of the advantages that make it better than a 5 Series wagon, or even a Gran Turismo. If you like the X6, you'd probably like the X5 just as much and get more practicality. Or, if you like the X6, you'd probably like a 5 Series wagon even more with better economy and basically the same space.



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User currently offlinemad99 From Spain, joined Mar 2012, 561 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 1863 times:

Quoting fridgmus (Reply 2):
I know I'm in the minority here, but for some strange reason, I really like the X6

So do I.
I think it looks class but I'd never buy one. Maybe i would if i lived somewhere that snowed ... and didn't have kids...


User currently offlineBraniff747SP From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 2984 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 1861 times:

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 1):
Sensible people everywhere are still trying to figure out why the X6 exists.

   Along with the 5 Series GT.

While both inherently decent vehicles, (they are BMW) I still don't get them. Last thing they need is another misfit car that no one understands.



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User currently offlineQFA380 From Australia, joined Jul 2005, 2072 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 1823 times:

The X6 is a fantastic looking car, if I had a spare 150k I would buy one in an instant. However I don't think that a sloped X3 would look very good. The X6 works because it is so long and so so wide. A shorter thinner version would look stumpy, a good deal like the X1 which is the ugliest car BMW makes.

User currently offlineBraniff747SP From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 2984 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 1787 times:

Quoting QFA380 (Reply 6):
150k

Where in the hell do you live that an X6 is worth 150k!? In the US it's about $61,000 base price, plus options and whatnot... can't get anywhere close to 150k. Car prices are very inflated in some parts of the world, (Europe, for example) but that just seems excessive.



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User currently offlineflipdewaf From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2006, 1572 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 1785 times:
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I think BMW should not make any more pretend 4x4s that don't go anywhere when the wet grass approaches.

Fred


User currently offlineracko From Germany, joined Nov 2001, 4857 posts, RR: 20
Reply 9, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 1773 times:

Quoting Braniff747SP (Reply 7):
Where in the hell do you live that an X6 is worth 150k!?

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and guess: New Zealand.


User currently offlineAirPacific747 From Denmark, joined May 2008, 2407 posts, RR: 24
Reply 10, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 1769 times:

Quoting Braniff747SP (Reply 7):
Where in the hell do you live that an X6 is worth 150k!?

Bargain!

The X6 is starting at 200.000USD in Denmark without any extras.


User currently offlineJJJ From Spain, joined May 2006, 1834 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 1752 times:

Quoting fridgmus (Reply 2):
Took corners fairly well for a vehicle of that size and height.

There you are. "fairly well", "for that size and weight".

Why not make it lower and lighter anyway? It's huge on the outside, cramped on the inside, grossly overweight, can't do offroad and butt-ugly on top of that.

The execution might be ok (it's a BMW after all) but the concept is massively flawed.


User currently offlineracko From Germany, joined Nov 2001, 4857 posts, RR: 20
Reply 12, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 1736 times:

Quoting JJJ (Reply 11):
Why not make it lower and lighter anyway? It's huge on the outside, cramped on the inside, grossly overweight, can't do offroad and butt-ugly on top of that.

Because the X6 is what people want. I can't stand that thing either, but it's selling.


User currently offlineQFA380 From Australia, joined Jul 2005, 2072 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 1695 times:

Quoting Braniff747SP (Reply 7):
Where in the hell do you live that an X6 is worth 150k!?

I just quickly priced it. On the top model you pay nearly $30 000 in tax. Not to mention we pay ridiculous prices from manufacturers, this is for everything from iPhone apps to cars to computers, despite the fact we have a stable well valued currency.


User currently offlinefridgmus From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 1442 posts, RR: 10
Reply 14, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 1682 times:
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Quoting BMI727 (Reply 3):
you'd probably like the X5 just as much

I DO like the X5 as well. I don't know what else to say except, I JUST LIKE IT!!! So you don't, I respect that, we're all different people with different likes and dislikes.

Quoting JJJ (Reply 11):
There you are. "fairly well", "for that size and weight".

Why not make it lower and lighter anyway? It's huge on the outside, cramped on the inside, grossly overweight, can't do offroad and butt-ugly on top of that.

The execution might be ok (it's a BMW after all) but the concept is massively flawed.

See above JJJ.

Quoting racko (Reply 12):
Because the X6 is what people want. I can't stand that thing either, but it's selling.

Go to Kuwait, they're everywhere!

Quoting QFA380 (Reply 13):
I just quickly priced it. On the top model you pay nearly $30 000 in tax. Not to mention we pay ridiculous prices from manufacturers, this is for everything from iPhone apps to cars to computers, despite the fact we have a stable well valued currency.

I knew taxes were high in Australia, but OUCH!!! If I can ever emigrate there (I'm working it!) I guess I'll just buy a small Ute!



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User currently offlinekiwirob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7388 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 1674 times:

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 1):
Sensible people everywhere are still trying to figure out why the X6 exists.

You know BMW only expected to sell 20,000 X6's, they have now sold close to 160,000 of them, it's been a massive and unexpected success. The X4 is expected in 2013.

Quoting racko (Reply 9):

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and guess: New Zealand.

120,000 USD will get you into a base xdrive40 diesel in NZ.


User currently offlineBraniff747SP From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 2984 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 1659 times:

Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 10):

The X6 is starting at 200.000USD in Denmark without any extras.

   I've always known cars more expensive in Europe; but this is excessive. Makes me glad to live in the States; while we have a worse selection of vehicles (No 5 Series wagon, for example) they are much cheaper.


Quoting QFA380 (Reply 13):
I just quickly priced it. On the top model you pay nearly $30 000 in tax. Not to mention we pay ridiculous prices from manufacturers, this is for everything from iPhone apps to cars to computers, despite the fact we have a stable well valued currency.

30k in tax is very high. At these prices, if I ever go live somewhere else I'm taking a car with me.



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User currently offlineracko From Germany, joined Nov 2001, 4857 posts, RR: 20
Reply 17, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 1643 times:

Quoting Braniff747SP (Reply 16):
I've always known cars more expensive in Europe; but this is excessive. Makes me glad to live in the States; while we have a worse selection of vehicles (No 5 Series wagon, for example) they are much cheaper.

Denmark is an extreme example though. In Germany, the X6 base model costs 61.000€.


User currently offlineAirPacific747 From Denmark, joined May 2008, 2407 posts, RR: 24
Reply 18, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 1642 times:

Quoting Braniff747SP (Reply 16):
I've always known cars more expensive in Europe; but this is excessive. Makes me glad to live in the States; while we have a worse selection of vehicles (No 5 Series wagon, for example) they are much cheaper.

Yes, consider yourself lucky  hate the car taxes here..


User currently offlineB777LRF From Luxembourg, joined Nov 2008, 1359 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 1633 times:

Is your penis very tiny? Do you live in a land of sand? Did you make a fortune producing tat and ship it across the Pacific? Is your daddy an oligarch and your girlfriend more plastic than tissue?

If you can say yes to at least 2 of those questions (and the first one is mandatory), the X6 is for you. If not, you've been an idiot and should be given the Clarkson treatment (taken out the back and shot in front of your family).

Does it show that I'm not a big fan of the X6? Love BMW to bits, am on my 3rd now and wouldn't drive anything else. Well, not anything else I can afford that is. Except a Porsche, I might buy myself one of those - but just as a week-end toy.



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User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6658 posts, RR: 11
Reply 20, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 1622 times:

I worked in Paris for 6 months and often saw one parked on the street, amongst city cars. Really out of place (and butt ugly). People that have some sense to go with their money at least buy an underground parking for their expensive cars, here, otherwise you might find your SUV covered in mud with a message saying that it now feels more in its element.

Quoting Braniff747SP (Reply 16):
30k in tax is very high. At these prices, if I ever go live somewhere else I'm taking a car with me.

In Denmark/Norway, you'll pay the taxes on your used car too.



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User currently offlineJJJ From Spain, joined May 2006, 1834 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1581 times:

Quoting B777LRF (Reply 19):
Is your penis very tiny? Do you live in a land of sand? Did you make a fortune producing tat and ship it across the Pacific? Is your daddy an oligarch and your girlfriend more plastic than tissue?

Are you the mistress of an Angolan army General? is the only one I'm missing.


User currently offlineBraniff747SP From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 2984 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1578 times:

Quoting racko (Reply 17):
Denmark is an extreme example though. In Germany, the X6 base model costs 61.000€.

That's the home advantage... It's more expensive in other nations.



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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15744 posts, RR: 27
Reply 23, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 1563 times:

Quoting fridgmus (Reply 14):
I DO like the X5 as well. I don't know what else to say except, I JUST LIKE IT!!! So you don't, I respect that, we're all different people with different likes and dislikes

Here's the thing I have with the X6. I like cool cars. Being cool is reason enough for a car to exist. Being cool is reason enough to buy and own a car. I love cars that are completely batshit crazy and excessive in pretty much every respect, but I also respect real performance in a practical package. And you can't beat excessive, batshit crazy performance in a practical package.

If you go down the "practicality be damned I wanna go fast" route, there's the M5 and M6, which are faster than the X6M but not exactly impractical. Or if you want something fast for the family, there's the X5 (had to compare the 5.0 versions) that offers more space for less money but the same fuel economy as the X6, although the 550i is little better.

I just don't see how the X6 is that attractive as either the crazy car with no purpose other than going fast or the practical performance machine. For the former there's the M5 and M6 and for the latter the X5M. I don't get the appeal. (By the way, can anyone see out the back of an X6?)

Quoting Braniff747SP (Reply 22):
That's the home advantage... It's more expensive in other nations.

Not in America. I don't know what the base model in Germany is, but here you can get a 35i for just under $60,000.



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User currently offlinemad99 From Spain, joined Mar 2012, 561 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 1524 times:

Quoting Braniff747SP (Reply 16):
they are much cheaper.

I had a quick look..

USA
TOTAL MSRP AS BUILT $60,695 X6 xDrive35i

From the DMV www page
Grand Total Registration Fees: $5,199.00
Grand total 65,894

bwm.es 71,900


So it looks like about 9% more in Spain and that's about the diff on tax rates.


25 JJJ : It's made in the US anyway. Add another 20-something % for the dollar-euro exchange rate. Btw: the base model in Europe is a 3.0 diesel.
26 AF1624 : I would go further and say that sensible people everywhere are still trying to figure out why the X series exists. They're ugly, useless cars, made f
27 mad99 : Why? If you live in the usa most likely your paid in usd and spend usd. I work in Spain so i earn and spend euros I quoted like for like, the petrol
28 Braniff747SP : I'm well aware of that; I mentioned that before in the thread... I was referring to Europe. Cars in the US are much cheaper, in general, than in Euro
29 flipdewaf : I totally agree, form should follow function but in these cars its totally the wrong way round. A 4x4 should have mud on. Fred
30 kiwirob : I don't know about Denmark but in Norway you don't, all you pay is the registration change over.
31 mham001 : State and local taxes are 9.25% in my area.
32 Post contains images Larshjort : And why some people like the looks of it. It is the most hideous car I can think of It's the same in Denamrk, but I wonder if he means when you impor
33 JJJ : You have to compare like by like, would you put a quote in yen side to side to one in euro? Cars in the US are cheaper, that's a fact (inflated, thou
34 Aesma : But the average salary in the US is far more dollars than the average Spanish salary is euros. Yes that's what I meant, since I have a cousin living
35 bcal dc10 : Ok I confess to having 2 X6's. One in England (40d) and one at my home in Miami (x50i), both bought November last year. I really like it - and once I'
36 kiwirob : Lots of people import used cars into Norway, some idiots even import new cars as well, I say idiots because a new car in Norway has a 5 year warranty
37 JJJ : More and more manufacturers are moving to the 5-year warranty to draw sales. Kia is doing 7 years warranty from quite some time now, Hyundai has been
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