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10 Things About America Today  
User currently offlinedetroitflyer From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 383 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3388 times:

http://postmasculine.com/america

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User currently offlineStarAC17 From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 3335 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3358 times:

Generally true and you can even scale this down within America itself with some of the points such as people from rural areas of the US being nervous about being robbed in LA or New York and people is some states are potentially more paranoid that others. Also not all of this is bad by a long shot, it is the observations of one guy.

1 and 2 are simple facts there is nothing inherently impressive about any country and the US in no different and yes you are not as hated as made out. Most of our gripes about Americans lie with your government and number 3. There are just as many idiots in other countries but ignorant Americans tend to talk more and when I know nothing I say nothing.

My ex who is Australian though the Melbourne is the classiest city in the world and you were nothing if you weren't spending every dime you had on fashion and looking good (she also has no money), don't get me wrong Melbourne is a great city but like all cities there is a place for most people.

Number 4 is not limited to the US but I agree with the point, if you feel a certain way then say it.

Numbers 5 and 6 very true.

Already touched on number 7

8, 9, and 10 not limited to the US, I have met people in many places who are the same

Quote:
You know when you move out of your parents’ house and live on your own, how you start hanging out with your friends’ families and you realize that actually, your family was a little screwed up?

I read this in the article and found my family to be actually a lot more realistic and sane compared to others.



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User currently offlineSmittyOne From United States of America, joined Feb 2012, 1301 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 3311 times:

I agree with a lot of what the author says, but the silver lining in my opinion is that (I believe) there is a nucleus of really squared away people in the US who will always thrive and produce excellence. The trick is to make sure that they are not dragged down and suffocated under the masses of sheeple aspiring to #10 above all else.


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User currently offlinembmbos From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2597 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3238 times:

Interesting essay. And I think each of his ten points speak directly to a form of cultural narcissism that embodies our country. It's all about us. We're exceptional. We're special. Nobody else is advanced as us, as free as us, as rich as us, etc. It's a dangerous and simplistic way to view ourselves in relation to other cultures.

User currently offlinefr8mech From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 5104 posts, RR: 12
Reply 4, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3221 times:

1. Few People Are Impressed By Us
Agreed.

2. Few People Hate Us
Agreed.

3. We Know Nothing About The Rest Of The World
Yup, I'll give you that one. One reason I feel this is true is because of the geographic and demographic size of the country. Many (too) Americans vacation in the United States. They are not exposed to other cultures. And no, visiting Chinatown (NY or San Fransisco doesn't count). Oh, and I certainly blame our dated education system.

4. We Are Poor At Expressing Gratitude And Affection
I see where he's going with this, but the examples he brings forward imply a 'political correctness correction' that we have factored into our actions and vocabulary. But, again, I can understand him...I grew up in a Greek household and the first time a friend of mine saw me hug another male in greeting, with the requisite cheek kissing, made for some interesting discussion.

5. The Quality of Life For The Average American Is Not That Great
Yup, I'll give him that. But, as he noted, it's the price that most have chosen to pay.

6. The Rest Of The World Is Not A Slum-Ridden Shithole Compared To Us
I haven't traveled to too many of the world's shitholes in over 20 years...so I won't comment on current developments.

7. We’re Paranoid
With good reason, sometimes. But, yeah, we tend to overthink some situations.

8. We’re Status-Obsessed And Seek Attention
Nope. I don't buy this one.

9. We Are Very Unhealthy
I won't touch healthcare because it is a can of worms and I have been exposed to more 'progressive' healthcare systems. But, I'll agree that our lifestyle (foods, activities (or inactivities), norms, etc), definitely impact our overall health.

10. We Mistake Comfort For Happiness
It's an expectation problem. A couple of weeks ago I spent some time with a friend in D.C. She had just gotten in new job with AARP after being unemployed for about 2 years (96 weeks to be exact, but that's a different story). She had lost her home in Tampa and had been staying with friends and family through her sabbatical. She said that she thought it was expected of her to buy as big a house as she could. She was expected to buy a new car every 3 years. She was expected to have the newest fashions and gadgets and gizmos. She was comfortable but unhappy. Now, she lives in a ~600sq ft townhome, drives a 'something puny' and appears a lot happier because she has shed those expectations. Though, I fear, living in Sodom on the Potomac, the expectation problem is creeping back in.



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User currently offlineFlighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 8216 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3210 times:

Only read the headlines. Agree with them. It might shock us to learn that Persians in Iran are more sophisticated, balanced people who eat a healthier diet, have a healthier work/life balance, etc compared to us. We believe everyone who does not participate in the American status system is sub-human, similar to apes. In reality, we are an adolescent culture (largely under 150 yrs old) in a world with a number of fully developed cultures -- which are, in some respect or another, greater than we are, not lesser. Just don't tell anyone I said this.

User currently offlineStarAC17 From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 3335 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3167 times:

Quoting fr8mech (Reply 4):
8. We’re Status-Obsessed And Seek Attention
Nope. I don't buy this one.

Really??

I think this one is true for a lot of countries and not just the US, we are told that if we don't have the latest toy or adopt the latest trend then we are losers. On an individual basis it may not be true but in terms of a society it is, it has created the consumerist society we live in today where we think being "with it" gets us more positive attention.



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User currently offlineAirPacific747 From Denmark, joined May 2008, 2316 posts, RR: 21
Reply 7, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3164 times:

I think most of this is way too stereotypical. Hong Kong making Manhattan look like a suburb? Not really.

Also, a lot of countries think they are the best in the world. Not just an American thing.

[Edited 2012-07-13 07:15:39]

User currently offlineSmittyOne From United States of America, joined Feb 2012, 1301 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3120 times:

Quoting StarAC17 (Reply 6):
I think this one is true for a lot of countries and not just the US, we are told that if we don't have the latest toy or adopt the latest trend then we are losers. On an individual basis it may not be true but in terms of a society it is, it has created the consumerist society we live in today where we think being "with it" gets us more positive attention.

Agreed...this is carefully cultivated by the marketing machine.

But what is ironic to me is that a lot of those who profit from it - either by direct employment or their stock portfolios - are probably the same people who bitch about how shallow society is or how disrespectful and selfish 'the kids are today".

The ideas of valuing age and experience, rewarding merit and hard work etc. are incompatible with marketing today because these virtues don't translate to excess consumption as cleanly as youth and narcissism.



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User currently offlinemt99 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 6546 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3080 times:
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Just a few items  

1. Few People Are Impressed By Us
Yes and no. I was recently in Vancouver on the Harbour Center tower and as fantastic the view to the North, the main view from the European tourists was to the south looking towards Washington and the United States. I found that interesting.

Have you ever been around an airport food court around the time flight to Europe are leaving? Its fascinating to see all the European scarf down McDonald and KFC like there is not tomorrow

8. We’re Status-Obsessed And Seek Attention

Quoting StarAC17 (Reply 6):
I think this one is true for a lot of countries and not just the US, we are told that if we don't have the latest toy or adopt the latest trend then we are losers

No one is forcing anyone in New Zealand to buy Apple products, or watch the latest's Batman movie. You guys do that all by yourselves  



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User currently offlinefr8mech From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 5104 posts, RR: 12
Reply 10, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3065 times:

Quoting StarAC17 (Reply 6):
Really??

Yes, really. I answered a very narrow charge as spelled out by the author. I didn't read it as wanting the mostest and bestest stuff.

I read his charge as Americans, in general, wanting to 'one-up' each other. Now, while true in some of our bigger cities (on both coasts) and quite possibly the entire state of Texas, I think the vast majority of Americans could really give a rat's ass where I live, how much I make, who I'm married to, what beer I drink, what car I drive, etc. With the exception of those who have a political agenda or axe to grind.



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User currently offlinecanoecarrier From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2830 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3047 times:

Quoting fr8mech (Reply 4):
6. The Rest Of The World Is Not A Slum-Ridden Shithole Compared To Us

The rest of the world should keep this vision alive. We provide far and away more development assistance to foreign countries than any other nation in the world.

Quoting fr8mech (Reply 4):

7. We%u2019re Paranoid
With good reason, sometimes. But, yeah, we tend to overthink some situations.

I agree. There are too many instances where the person with an American passport was pulled off a plane and shot or targeted overseas to ignore this. We do overthink some domestic situations but we haven't quite reached the level of paranoia we are now seeing in the UK.

Quoting fr8mech (Reply 4):
9. We Are Very Unhealthy

This really depends on where you live in the US. The hiking trails near where I live are packed with healthy people every day. Go to Houston and it's an entirely different story.

Quoting mt99 (Reply 9):
1. Few People Are Impressed By Us
Yes and no. I was recently in Vancouver on the Harbour Center tower and as fantastic the view to the North, the main view from the European tourists was to the south looking towards Washington and the United States. I found that interesting.

I've seen that as well. I spent months traveling through western Canada and almost every European I ran into couldn't wait to visit points south. It really is interesting how many foreigners come to visit our National Parks and cities like New York.

One thing I don't understand the European view of the US is why we aren't more fluent in other languages. We live on and adjacent to a continent(s) where there are predominately only 3 languages spoken. I've known Danish people that spoke 5 or more languages, but that is out of necessity and none of them spoke Spanish. I could travel from Canada to Chile and only need to speak English and Spanish. I know that's a little off topic but the article reads a little critical of US culture.



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User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21130 posts, RR: 56
Reply 12, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3023 times:

Quoting fr8mech (Reply 4):

8. We’re Status-Obsessed And Seek Attention
Nope. I don't buy this one.

We're the world capital of reality TV, Facebook, Twitter, etc. We want people to know what we're doing. Oh yeah, we're definitely status-obsessed, and we love attention.

-Mir



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User currently offlineAirPacific747 From Denmark, joined May 2008, 2316 posts, RR: 21
Reply 13, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2971 times:

Quoting canoecarrier (Reply 11):
The rest of the world should keep this vision alive. We provide far and away more development assistance to foreign countries than any other nation in the world.

Without knowing the facts, I would imagine that the EU provides at least just as much develop assistance to foreign countries.


User currently offlinecanoecarrier From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2830 posts, RR: 12
Reply 14, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2932 times:

Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 13):
Without knowing the facts, I would imagine that the EU provides at least just as much develop assistance to foreign countries.

Is the EU a "nation"?



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User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7294 posts, RR: 52
Reply 15, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2860 times:

Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 7):

I think most of this is way too stereotypical.

I agree, I honestly didn't fit into any of the 10 points...  



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User currently offlineBongodog1964 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2006, 3475 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2843 times:

Quoting canoecarrier (Reply 11):
Quoting fr8mech (Reply 4):6. The Rest Of The World Is Not A Slum-Ridden Shithole Compared To Us
The rest of the world should keep this vision alive. We provide far and away more development assistance to foreign countries than any other nation in the world.

You may outspend us in foreign aid, but per capita we give away nearly three times more than the US

Quoting canoecarrier (Reply 11):
7. We%u2019re Paranoid
With good reason, sometimes. But, yeah, we tend to overthink some situations.
I agree. There are too many instances where the person with an American passport was pulled off a plane and shot or targeted overseas to ignore this. We do overthink some domestic situations but we haven't quite reached the level of paranoia we are now seeing in the UK.

Paranoia in the UK, I can't work out what you are on about, compared to the US we are generally very level headed.


User currently offlinecanoecarrier From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2830 posts, RR: 12
Reply 17, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2826 times:

Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 16):
Paranoia in the UK, I can't work out what you are on about, compared to the US we are generally very level headed.

Don't you have surface to air missiles on apartment buildings around the Olympic venue and surveillance cameras on every street corner? I'd say that's paranoid.



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User currently offlinegingersnap From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2010, 892 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2817 times:

Quoting canoecarrier (Reply 14):
Is the EU a "nation"?

The US is also a huge country, and the EU in size and all that comes with it can be compared with the USA nation or not. Plus if some are to be believed, the EU will be a single nation one day.



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User currently offlinefrancoflier From France, joined Oct 2001, 3613 posts, RR: 11
Reply 19, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2808 times:

Those ten facts are true for most western countries, even some developing ones.

I doubt it's based on any serious research or study. Just the usual '10 things that [insert pseudo-provocative facts]' format, in the usual pseudo-intellectual trendy magazine...



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User currently offlineTheCommodore From Australia, joined Dec 2007, 2570 posts, RR: 6
Reply 20, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2804 times:

Quoting canoecarrier (Reply 11):
The rest of the world should keep this vision alive. We provide far and away more development assistance to foreign countries than any other nation in the world.

LOL LOL

You must read this.... The US is way down the list of donor countries.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_governments_by_development_aid

Quoting canoecarrier (Reply 17):
Don't you have surface to air missiles on apartment buildings around the Olympic venue and surveillance cameras on every street corner? I'd say that's paranoid.

And doesn't the US have the same, if not greater security around venues, especially after 9/11 !

My god, the security one has to go through, just get into the US is mind blowing. So what if there are a few missiles around Olympic venues, they will only be there for the duration of the games, unlike the high levels of security in the US which will be there forever more .  Wow!
Quoting canoecarrier (Reply 17):
I'd say that's paranoid.

Well then, if you feel like that, I'm sure if you and your fellow Olympic team members, could always stay in accommodation that is outside the Olympic village, in a hotel with no protection.... But somehow, I don't think that will be an option do you.



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User currently offlinecmf From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2799 times:

Quoting canoecarrier (Reply 11):
The rest of the world should keep this vision alive. We provide far and away more development assistance to foreign countries than any other nation in the world.

I hear this argument a few times a year. All I can say is that if a developed country with 300+ million people don't give more in absolute money than a country with half or less that population then something is wrong. You need to use a reasonable yardstick when you compare. Per capita seems the right yardstick to me.

I also think that US is very quickly being replaced by China as the biggest supporter in a lot of growing countries. It is part of what will change global political balance.

Quoting canoecarrier (Reply 11):
This really depends on where you live in the US. The hiking trails near where I live are packed with healthy people every day. Go to Houston and it's an entirely different story.

This is about generalizations. On average every (or just about) developed country is unhealthy. Plenty of exemptions but more bad than good.


User currently offlinelewis From Greece, joined Jul 1999, 3592 posts, RR: 5
Reply 22, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2783 times:

Quoting cmf (Reply 21):

This is about generalizations. On average every (or just about) developed country is unhealthy. Plenty of exemptions but more bad than good.

Correct. On average, I think most countries are at similar levels.

Quoting TheCommodore (Reply 20):
And doesn't the US have the same, if not greater security around venues, especially after 9/11 !

I was surprised that I had to go through a full-on security inspection - minus the nude-o-scope, in order to enter the Ground Zero memorial in NYC - which was basically a park surrounded by sealed-off construction areas. If that is not "keeping the paranoia alive", I don't know what is.

Quoting fr8mech (Reply 4):
6. The Rest Of The World Is Not A Slum-Ridden Shithole Compared To Us

Not only speaking of developing countries but of the western world as well. I have met people who really think that cars, telephony and air conditioning are a thing unique to the US, but such "observations" come from people who obviously haven't left the state they were born in.


User currently offlineDano1977 From British Indian Ocean Territory, joined Jun 2008, 474 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2782 times:

Quoting canoecarrier (Reply 17):

That's rich...

In November 2011 the USA was preparing to send 1000 security agents to the Olympics, including 500 FBI agents.

(not that they would be able to carry their standard issue firearms anyway)

Paranoia?

For the record, on the street I live in, there are no surveillance cameras  



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User currently offlinecanoecarrier From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2830 posts, RR: 12
Reply 24, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2780 times:

Quoting TheCommodore (Reply 20):
You must read this.... The US is way down the list of donor countries.

Not sure what you're on about, from your link:

According to the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development, the countries giving the highest amounts of money (in absolute terms) are as follows:[1]

#1 United States – $28.67 billion
#2 France – $12.43 billion

Quoting TheCommodore (Reply 20):
And doesn't the US have the same, if not greater security around venues, especially after 9/11 !

I don't see surface to air missiles on rooftops here in the US (unless you live in the White House) or security cameras everywhere.

Quoting cmf (Reply 21):

I hear this argument a few times a year. All I can say is that if a developed country with 300+ million people don't give more in absolute money than a country with half or less that population then something is wrong. You need to use a reasonable yardstick when you compare. Per capita seems the right yardstick to me.

I really don't see a reason to compare. We give when we can and we don't when we can't. Just like the rest of the world. When there's a major catastrophe like the Haiti earthquake or the tsunami in Sumatra we were there with the largest aircraft carrier in the world. We don't do these things because we want a pat on the back. I certainly don't expect one.

My wife spends 2 weeks a year traveling to countries like the Ukraine, Russia, China and Pakistan to do open heart surgeries on kids. She's been to all 4 of those countries. She and I couldn't care less if someone in Australia used a yardstick to compare our country to theirs in "humanitarian giving".



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25 Post contains images PHX787 : my opinion: hmm It really depends. Japan seems to love us a lot. Same with South Koreans. That is true. I asked a lot of my foreign friends about this
26 cmf : There is that unreasonable yardstick again. I'm sure you will be happy with US receiving the same absolute amount of CO2 emissions as Monaco.
27 SmittyOne : True. I personally have little or no need or opportunity to speak any language other than English. And I'm not going to go out of my way to practice
28 canoecarrier : I model CO2 emissions for a living and this comment makes absolutely no sense at all.[Edited 2012-07-13 19:14:13]
29 aa757first : I found this piece to be pretty laughable. It seems as though he has trouble separating his personal beliefs from facts. 1. Few People Are Impressed B
30 Post contains images cmf : You model data and suggest to compare on absolute numbers You need to adjust for population size, GDP, or similar. Everything else is dishonest. It i
31 canoecarrier : Your still not making much sense on a regulatory basis. In fact you still don't make any sense. There is no absolute number when it comes to CO2 emis
32 AA7295 : Urghhh! Another privileged American who is ungrateful with his plate! I think his article pretty much sums up the modern generation. Come to Australia
33 cmf : The issue at hand is that your comparing countries contribution without adjusting for population, GNP, etc. If not you're using statistics to lie. I
34 canoecarrier : There's a difference between policy making and modeling a large project for projected mtCO2e. I'm not comparing the contribution of a nation against
35 Post contains images blink182 : For someone who claims to be so worldly, the author's level of ignorance astounds me. We all know that everybody outside the United States is so incr
36 Post contains images kasimir : I had to reply to this topic, since I also had my fair chance of seeing the world, living in different countries and also know the US and the culture
37 OzGlobal : 1. Few People Are Impressed By Us Agreed. 2. Few People Hate Us Agreed. 3. We Know Nothing About The Rest Of The World About 10% of American's are ext
38 aa757first : You can pull statistics out of anywhere, but the fact of the matter is Americans have abnormally luxurious lifestyles. Of course, that's also true of
39 OzGlobal : Uhm, no. I've never met other people on the planet that have said to my face: "We set the standard in EVERYTHING". "Others look to us; we can't learn
40 OzGlobal : I'm relying on the OECD reports 2000 - 2011 and Pew.Org. Please check these sources. What are yours, please?
41 AA7295 : It's DEFINITELY a Western thing, not exclusive to Americans. Australians definitely do it when abroad. The only difference is probably the manner whe
42 OzGlobal : Let me get this straight: Australians genuinely believe that they "set the standard in EVERYTHING" and can learn from no one when abroad? You must kn
43 AA7295 : 100%...but in a not so obvious way. Our media does it to us. Constant headlines... Australians overtaking Hollywood, Australia the only country not t
44 OzGlobal : No, I gave a pertinent example only. The 'grouping' of entire populations started with your post. Re-read and 'love it' less.
45 YokoTsuno : There's nothing typical American nor Western about the article, but human. In fact it is just a reflection of how one sees his/her own culture and th
46 aa757first : That statement is clearly not true. Americans obviously don't set the standards in, say, pastries or luxury cars. However, I think most people in ric
47 OzGlobal : Sorry, but poverty rates, infant mortality, healthcare outcomes and education are objective measures; you can add to that Life Expectancy. If you're
48 aa757first : But there are so many variables that go into these statistics that it's very hard to pinpoint. For example, Americans eat too much of the wrong thing
49 Post contains links zhiao : Not in terms of income: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_household_income And in education, when you looks at percent of people with
50 zhiao : And I do not understand at all number 1. I don't think anyone is excited to see any person JUST BECAUSE of their nationality. And yes, most of the wor
51 Pellegrine : 10 things about Americans: 1. Less cultured than the majority of the world 2. Still have a huge race problem despite electing a black president 3. Sti
52 AviRaider : The problem I have with these lists is that they have to be too general in nature in order to be even half correct. The US is the third most populous
53 AA7295 : CHA-CHING!! My point exactly!! Good luck to anyone trying to homogenize 300 million people.
54 canoecarrier : Spread over nine time zones. I consider myself fairly well traveled in the US and even I have a hard time when I see fisherman from Georgia get off t
55 NASCARAirforce : Because that is the only shit our airports offer. If they are flying on one of our U.S. Airlines they won't get much of a meal on it. Its getting tha
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