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Obama Says “If You’ve Got A Business—yo  
User currently offlinebjorn14 From Norway, joined Feb 2010, 3573 posts, RR: 2
Posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 4739 times:

The latest insult Obama has hurled at American entrepreneurs "If you’ve got a business—you didn’t build that.” Because in his warped mind it was the USA infrastructure that built your business. Well, Mr. Obama where did you get the money to build that infrastructure? You taxed hard-working Americans for it.

http://blog.heritage.org/2012/07/16/...urs-you-didnt-build-your-business/

Just another reason why Obama doesn't deserve to be re-elected.


"I want to know the voice of God the rest is just details" --A. Einstein
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User currently onlinemt99 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 6615 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 4726 times:
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Quoting bjorn14 (Thread starter):
USA infrastructure that built your business

"Main Street" is after all a street build with public funds.. no?



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User currently offlineflipdewaf From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2006, 1577 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 4719 times:
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Quote:
the average American with $250,000 or more in income



Lol, I sure wish I was more average.

Fred


User currently offlinembmbos From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2598 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 4716 times:

Hey, nothing like taking part of a speech out of context and misinterpreting it all over the place.

The fact is, none of us every accomplish anything strictly by our own effort. We are lifted and nurtured by the parents who raised us, by their genes we inherited, by the school systems that educated us, etc. Likewise anybody who endeavors to run a business on their own are lifted and nurtured by the infrastructure that supports it, such as road systems, communication systems, laws and law enforcement, etc.

Those who start and run their own businesses show a lot of courage and deserve the reap the rewards, as Obama has pointed out. But this notion that business owners are noble in what they do and that they did it all with their own two hands is simple minded and insulting to a society that has paid a lot of financial and regulatory deference to entrepreneurs.

You are entitled to believe Obama doesn't deserve re-election, but I wish you would be fair and at least make an attempt to understand his words instead of manipulating them against him as a way to smear him.


User currently offlinecasinterest From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4673 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 4697 times:

Well this thread was obviously started as another Obama bashing thread.
Why can't the bashers start a "Romney is Great " thread?



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User currently onlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39907 posts, RR: 75
Reply 5, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 4684 times:

Massachusetts US Senate candidate Elizabeth Warren (can't remember her Indian name) is running on that same mantra.

Quoting bjorn14 (Thread starter):
"If you’ve got a business—you didn’t build that.”


That's only true a of business like Solyndra.
Obama doesn't know anything about starting a business or running a business. He didn't lure any businesses to the community he organized.....
In fact, no job in the private sector would have allowed him to stay on the job for up to 4 years blaming the previous employee he replaced. Most employers would only give you 90 days.

Quoting bjorn14 (Thread starter):
Just another reason why Obama doesn't deserve to be re-elected.


  



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User currently offlinealoges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8726 posts, RR: 43
Reply 6, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 4688 times:

Quoting casinterest (Reply 4):
Why can't the bashers start a "Romney is Great " thread?

That's because he isn't.  It's interesting and encouraging to see the lack of enthusiasm for Romney.



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User currently offlinebjorn14 From Norway, joined Feb 2010, 3573 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 4668 times:

Quoting mbmbos (Reply 3):
mbmbos

Hey nothing like not reading the whole article The first part of the quote is even more terrible..."Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges"

If Obama had a clue about American history he would know that most of the roads in the early republic were built by private investors and its why we pay .15-.30 a gallon to build and maintain roads.

How half-white of him to 'allow' us to succeed despite him wanting us to be dependent on the state (highest number of people dependent on government in some form...ever). Again where does government get their money to build roads and bridges? From the fairyroadmother?



"I want to know the voice of God the rest is just details" --A. Einstein
User currently offlinealoges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8726 posts, RR: 43
Reply 8, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 4658 times:

Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 7):
Hey nothing like not reading the whole article

Please provide a source for the entire speech, not selected excerpts.



Walk together, talk together all ye peoples of the earth. Then, and only then, shall ye have peace.
User currently offlinebjorn14 From Norway, joined Feb 2010, 3573 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 4659 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 5):
Superfly

Reminds me of the story about the black guy who going to be fired. He said, "You're firing me cuz I'm black!" No replied, the supervisor. "We hired you because you were black, we're firing you because you're incompetent"



"I want to know the voice of God the rest is just details" --A. Einstein
User currently offlinembmbos From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2598 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 4658 times:

Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 7):
How half-white of him to 'allow' us to succeed despite him wanting us to be dependent on the state (highest number of people dependent on government in some form...ever). Again where does government get their money to build roads and bridges? From the fairyroadmother?

You're just talking in circles and you're not making much sense.

And "half-white?" Is that kind of comment really necessary?


User currently onlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39907 posts, RR: 75
Reply 11, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 4645 times:

Quoting aloges (Reply 6):
That's because he isn't. It's interesting and encouraging to see the lack of enthusiasm for Romney.


We don't praise politicians for being a supreme-being, super-human celebrity. At least we know that Mitt Romney is a politician. Obama is a politician too but his supporters see him as infallible and the 2nd coming of Jesus.

Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 9):
Reminds me of the story about the black guy who going to be fired. He said, "You're firing me cuz I'm black!" No replied, the supervisor. "We hired you because you were black, we're firing you because you're incompetent"



I'd elaborate more on that but that belongs in another thread.



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User currently offlinealoges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8726 posts, RR: 43
Reply 12, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 4632 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 11):
Obama is a politician too but his supporters see him as infallible and the 2nd coming of Jesus.

Really? Perhaps that is a misunderstanding on the part of the side that sees him as an evil pinko-commie undercover-Muslim spawn of Satan. I've read far more of that than I have read of the kind of worship by which you seem to be surrounded.



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User currently offlinembmbos From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2598 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 4621 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 11):
Obama is a politician too but his supporters see him as infallible and the 2nd coming of Jesus.

This is a straw man, Superfly. In other words, it's a fake argument. You can always find a few followers who are zealots. But you'll find plenty of criticism of Obama from Democrats in general as well as liberals.

Obama has as many if not fewer zealots than Dubya did.


User currently onlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39907 posts, RR: 75
Reply 14, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 4621 times:

Quoting aloges (Reply 12):
Really?


Yep.
I've seen women fainting when he gives speeches and damn near throwing their panties on stage. The idol worship of his fans is just insane. Perhaps you should spend some time in the US and see how his hardcaore supporters behave. This sort of fan worship is something I would expect from a rock star, not a politician.



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User currently offlinecasinterest From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4673 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 4610 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 11):
Obama is a politician too but his supporters see him as infallible and the 2nd coming of Jesus.

I find this hilarious coming from someone supporting a person who beleives that they can achieve the status of a god?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exaltation_(Mormonism)



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User currently offlinealoges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8726 posts, RR: 43
Reply 16, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 4595 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 14):
I've seen women fainting when he gives speeches and damn near throwing their panties on stage.

So some people treated him like a rock star and that is reason enough to say that

Quoting Superfly (Reply 11):
his supporters see him as infallible and the 2nd coming of Jesus

? Bull.   

It is exactly this sort of generalised disparagement that poisons every political discussion.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 14):
Perhaps you should spend some time in the US and see how his hardcaore supporters behave.

I'm there about once per month on average, but I stay the hell away from political events and I have no intention to change that.



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User currently onlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39907 posts, RR: 75
Reply 17, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 4596 times:

Quoting casinterest (Reply 15):
I find this hilarious coming from someone supporting a person who beleives that they can achieve the status of a god?



Mitt Romney has never forced his personal religious beliefs in business or in public office. Besides, you should be very tolerant of his beliefs since you seem to be so tolerant of Obama's associations with Muslims as well as his 'Christian' Reverend Wright.



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User currently offlinecasinterest From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4673 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 4574 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 17):

Mitt Romney has never forced his personal religious beliefs in business or in public office. Besides, you should be very tolerant of his beliefs since you seem to be so tolerant of Obama's associations with Muslims as well as his 'Christian' Reverend Wright.

You made my point while missing it.

Why would you use a statement such as 2nd coming of christ, if there wasn't a religious undercurrent to it?



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User currently onlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39907 posts, RR: 75
Reply 19, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 4570 times:

Quoting aloges (Reply 16):
Bull.

It is exactly this sort of generalised disparagement that poisons every political discussion.



Not bull at all.
This is my observation. I've seen enough Presidential elections over the years and the obsession with Obama is unlike any other. Even Obama supporters admit this. In fact, The Onion which is a left-wing, political satire news outlet did a spoof mocking the Obama supporters after the election in 2008.
Don't get all snippy just because someone points out what they see.
He is a rock-star. There is no doubt about that and his supporters will be the first to tell you.



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User currently onlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39907 posts, RR: 75
Reply 20, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 4564 times:

Quoting casinterest (Reply 18):
You made my point while missing it.

Did you have one to begin with?

Quoting casinterest (Reply 18):
Why would you use a statement such as 2nd coming of christ, if there wasn't a religious undercurrent to it?

Umm, ok. 2nd coming of John Lennon? Jim Morrison? Bob Marley?
That sound better?



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User currently offlinecasinterest From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4673 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 4536 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 20):
Did you have one to begin with?

You were the one that brought Religion into it. Seems rather hypocritcial coming from the GOP.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 20):
Umm, ok. 2nd coming of John Lennon? Jim Morrison? Bob Marley?
That sound better?

Hmm drugged out Superstars? doesn't really fit. But keep trying. I am laughing harder and harder at the blasting of Obama and his supporters without really looking at what Romney is bringing to the table.



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User currently onlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39907 posts, RR: 75
Reply 22, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 4521 times:

Quoting casinterest (Reply 21):
Seems rather hypocritcial coming from the GOP.

??????
Who is the "GOP"?

Quoting casinterest (Reply 21):
Hmm drugged out Superstars? doesn't really fit.

Just like Obama himself back in the 80s. Read his books.



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User currently offlinealoges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8726 posts, RR: 43
Reply 23, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 4521 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 19):
Don't get all snippy just because someone points out what they see.

I'm neither getting snippy nor annoyed. I'm just trying to get the point across that

Quoting aloges (Reply 16):
generalised disparagement

is counterproductive. You say that you've seen an unprecedented amount of support for Obama, up to and including rock star-like treatment. Fine, I have noticed the same. But you make statements like this:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 11):
Obama is a politician too but his supporters see him as infallible and the 2nd coming of Jesus.

which generalise all Obama supporters, as if there are none who have issues with some of his policies and/or record. That sort of overdramatisation is, as I was saying, the poison that kills any discussion - if people who support different politicians see each other as mindless disciples, if that is the starting point of the discussion, then it is doomed from the start.



Walk together, talk together all ye peoples of the earth. Then, and only then, shall ye have peace.
User currently offlinecasinterest From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4673 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 4511 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 22):
Just like Obama himself back in the 80s. Read his books.

Oh , so things in the past matter ? . Then let's have Romney's Bain associations and Tax records  



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25 Superfly : "All"? Ok, many of his supporters. Sound better?
26 Superfly : I don't give a $h!t about Romney's taxes. I don't care what Romney does with HIS money. I'm concerned about what Obama wants to do with MY money.
27 casinterest : I see, so everything Obama does is wrong, but you don't care what Romney does. explains it perfectly. Back to my original point.
28 mt99 : It your money if he did not pay what by law he was required to pay..
29 Superfly : Smoking crack is against the law. Having an overseas bank account is not. Having money overseas is not against the law. The United States is the only
30 D L X : Normally I don't feed the trolls, but... Actually, a great many early roads were built with slave labor. Don't ever forget that.
31 KBJCpilot : I support Romney releasing his tax and business records, as long as Obama releases his college applications, Selective Service application, and colleg
32 Post contains images Superfly : Amen to that!
33 mt99 : I didn't know that Obama was making his claim to be re-elected bases on college essays.. Romney IS making the case of becoming President on how good
34 KBJCpilot : Excellent point. Then we should review Bain's P&L's, balance sheets, and appropriate statements as well as the SLC Olympic records to get a good
35 casinterest : That citizenship comes with right and priveldges .If folks don't value or need it, then they can renounce it and leave. However if the person running
36 casinterest : what idiot keeps these forms? I sure as hell don't have any of these.
37 aloges : It may sound better, but I have my doubts that it really changes anything...
38 KBJCpilot : I agree. As long as that person obeyed all US laws then I have no problem with it. Just as I utilize every deduction and loophole I can fine when I h
39 Superfly : What "idiot" spends over $2Million to conceal this information? Just as Obama's jobs czar Jefferey Immelt of General Electric did who paid NO taxes a
40 KBJCpilot : Well, he's kept them or they are ot there somewhere because he's spent over $1.4 million fighting their release over the past 3+ years.
41 Post contains images CPH-R : Citation needed.
42 casinterest : It's politics for sure. In those years since 2008, what has the GOP done ? They have obstrcted at every turn. I am three years older, and the GOP is
43 casinterest : Show some proof. 2 million really? Did you go to college? Did you keep your applications? Or did you maybe mail them in, in hopes of getting accepted
44 mt99 : I am sure he does as well - If no laws have been broken.. why not show his tax returns?
45 Post contains links CPH-R : It's kind of hilarious though. This "idea" that Obama has spent x amount of money to hide his record started with him allegedly spending $1 million t
46 StuckInCA : How bizarre that you, or anyone, would want to see this information. Why would you care about this stuff?
47 CPH-R : College application because there's an ongoing idea that he applied for foreign student aid, which would prove that he's a foreign usurper. Selective
48 KBJCpilot : Actually, why would he want to hide it? If there's nothing to see what is he afraid of? Me, I'd like to see his background, his true background, not
49 mt99 : Why would Romney want to hide his Tax Returns?
50 casinterest : WTF? What is sanitized about his background? What information is not out there? What is being hidden. There is more information on Obama than you wil
51 KBJCpilot : The same reason Obama wants to hide his college, Selective Service, and other information. There's something there that they don't want the voters to
52 StuckInCA : I'm not sure how your performing a background check for a potential hire (a normal process) can be compared to wanting to see Obama's college essays.
53 mt99 : OK - this will be fun. 1. What do you think Obama has to hide in his college essays? 2. What do you think Romney has to hide in his Tax Returns? 3. S
54 Post contains links and images WestJet747 : Before this thread gets locked, I thought I'd add in some context. I don't usually accuse anyone of selective quoting, but here is the video of the sp
55 slider : Is anyone truly surprised at anything Obama does or says anymore? We've seen his war on the American free market economy in action for over 3 years no
56 mt99 : Where you paying attention to this:
57 casinterest : War? Really , that is a selective misrepresentation .
58 Post contains images Superfly : I agree and it's sick. This is only to protect Obama. If it were ANY other President of any party, they wouldn't have any issue releasing that inform
59 casinterest : Nope go a little higher. You decided to make a J.C. reference, and I never said anything about my preferences. I just find it ironic that you would m
60 Superfly : I didn't say anything "derogatory". That is your interpretation. Wasn't comparing him to Jesus but some of his supporters do. Why would anyone spend
61 WestJet747 : Yes I understand that, and your noting of his associations with Reverend Wright is taken without issue...but I fail to see what is "questionable" abo
62 casinterest : Who compares him to Jesus Quote it? You brought the religion. Prove it. How about you go produce your college essays? Selective Service Registration
63 Post contains images Superfly : I'm content with you failing to see it. No I'm not but what I put stock in is irelevant to the discussion. Besides, why do we need the 40 czars in th
64 casinterest : Prove that it has been concealed.
65 Post contains images Mir : Good message by Obama, bad choice of words. What he should have said was "If you’ve got a business -- you didn’t build that all on your own." (emp
66 Post contains images DeltaMD90 : This thread hurts my heart... this is why US politics are so screwed up. How about we debate policy and the future of our country??
67 Post contains images aloges : It's not just US politics... for instance, EU politics have become just as bad IMHO. That's too difficult. It's much easier to just parrot whatever c
68 D L X : DeltaMD90, don't be too discouraged. Just turn on baseball, and tune out the bull dudu. I firmly believe that most of America is tuning this garbage
69 Post contains images DeltaMD90 : Lol, and I hope you are right (about America tuning this stuff out.) If people hate the President's policies so much, you'd think they'd be debating
70 vin2basketball : How about this; I am scared for my economic future if Obama gets re-elected because of the anti-business track his administration is taking including
71 us330 : This is really a disappointing thread. It took 54 posts before the actual speech in question--not a secondary source's paraphrase of it--was posted.
72 Post contains images Jetsgo : Ain't that the truth... It was a stark reminder when I foolishly tried to watch Jeopardy "live" the other night. There were no less than NINE politic
73 Post contains links einsteinboricua : I can't believe people stoop to this level. Why should Obama be judged on his college essays/applications? well, all's fair for one and the other: if
74 casinterest : WAR???? Your 5-6 friends would be in the SAME boat as all the other SMALL Business owners. The claim that they are being unfairly targeted is a misno
75 vin2basketball : More about the plethora of regulations and anti-business rhetoric than taxes per say, plus the fact that higher taxes make investing less attractive.
76 DeltaMD90 : Uh, that's a huge assumption to make. I think anyone would like to be able to fire people that don't perform, wouldn't you like that option if you we
77 einsteinboricua : But I'm not the one running for president, I'm not the one complaining about how the job market is still weak.
78 DeltaMD90 : uh, what? And I don't think anyone on either side of the political fence is denying that the job market is weak. Would it be weaker without the stimu
79 Post contains links TheCommodore : And he's not the only one mentioning it either. http://www.nzherald.co.nz/united-sta...cle.cfm?l_id=110&objectid=10820419
80 Post contains links and images Superfly : Most people want to but are instantly shut out and insulted once their is any criticism against President Obama. Poor choice of words on Romney's par
81 geezer : With all due respect, he's making about 29 times as much sense as you are my "fellow American" ! OK, we're down to 79 replies now, and I'm sure that
82 casinterest : The argument about less attractive is BS. If a business owner decides not to hire based on a regulation or offer a service based on expense, then the
83 einsteinboricua : This thread reminds me of the Unbreakable Bible Circle: no matter how many times you try to point out mistakes in the other candidate, they'll insist
84 bjorn14 : Because you cannot receive any loans or grants if you didn't register for Selective Service of course if you are a foreign student you are exempt or
85 mt99 : Have you gone in search of it?
86 Post contains links casinterest : Really? you need to stop regurginating Rush. http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthers/ssn.asp Who cares? Back to the original point. Do you have
87 DeltaMD90 : I never run into this problem. I try and use facts to the best of my ability and avoid name calling and no one ever tears me down for the disagreemen
88 CPH-R : While I do appreciate Snopes' debunking of it, part of me is a bit annoyed that they haven't shown the courtesy of masking parts of those SSN#. While
89 Post contains links einsteinboricua : Looks like Romney has flipflopped again and basically endorsed what Obama said. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cgSXUQDTM0&feature=player_embedded
90 Post contains links D L X : By the way, here's the actual video, with full context. http://www.mrctv.org/embed/114954
91 Post contains links einsteinboricua : This thread won't die just yet. Oh, this is pure gold... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8Yp9SVSWJU Skip to about 1:34 in the video and let it play ou
92 DeltaMD90 : Hahaha But for real, I hope a big deal isn't made about this (because a big deal shouldn't have been made about what the President said)
93 seb146 : And the banks that hand out loans. Well, not anymore, but under previous administrations who allowed little oversight, it was possible. Then, when th
94 Post contains images mt99 : I think that needs its own thread: "Romney Says “If You’re an Olympian—you didn’t build that"
95 einsteinboricua : It shouldn't be. I just wanted to make a point here: people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. I thought about...but I just wanted to b
96 Post contains images DeltaMD90 : I don't think this comment is the worst thing for his campaign that he has said in the past
97 seb146 : I think it is interesting that (again) when a politician from the right says something "outrageous" it is taken out of context. But, when Obama (or AN
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