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US 'power' Will Stop Iranian Nukes  
User currently offlineTheCommodore From Australia, joined Dec 2007, 2849 posts, RR: 8
Posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 3372 times:

"THE US will "use all elements of its power" to keep Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons, Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton declared after meeting top Israeli officials."

Really ?

She then goes on to say, "Israel and the U.S were "on the same page" regarding Iran." Yet Israel favors military action and the US diplomatic....

Doesn't seem like the same page to me, sounds more like a load of BS. Just more empty rhetoric and pandering to the Israelis.

Isn't it about time this stopped, perhaps it will once H Clinton moves along, sometime soon I hope. It very clear she's not up to the job, never has. It was only offered to her to placate, and nothing more.

Evidently, during her visit, she was at pains to "underscore" Americas support for Israel, despite all the illegal settlement building etc. Whats more telling though, is what she didn't say during her many meetings with the Israeli hierarchy, and that's where the US stands on Palestine.

IMHO, America is just making the entire situation worse in the ME, with its unquestioning support for a Government/country that doesn't deserve it.  http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/new...nukes/story-fnddckzi-1226427721051


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User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7891 posts, RR: 52
Reply 1, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 3351 times:

Quoting TheCommodore (Thread starter):
perhaps it will once H Clinton moves along

I'm not so sure, she's pretty liberal. Not saying this issue has strict conservative vs liberal views, but can you imagine who Romney may put in? (Someone more tough I'd assume.)

I hope we learn from Iraq...



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User currently offlineFlighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 8491 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 3342 times:

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 1):
I hope we learn from Iraq...

But the Israel card has been played. Therefore, the correct answer from both parties will be, anyone who is not Christian or Jewish is a dangerous, crazy militant who is bent on mad plots.


User currently offlineJetsgo From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 3083 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 3326 times:

Yawn... another anti US thread from TheCommodore? Surprise.  
Quoting TheCommodore (Thread starter):
with its unquestioning support for a Government/country that doesn't deserve it.

That's funny, last time I checked the US didn't support the Iranian government.



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User currently offlineTheCommodore From Australia, joined Dec 2007, 2849 posts, RR: 8
Reply 4, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 3300 times:

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 1):
I'm not so sure, she's pretty liberal.

I had big hopes, at least initially, but they have faded. Libya added to her woes of course, and now Syria is crumbling. With the US elections approaching, I feel that some countries can "push" there agenda, (what ever it may be) and they have a pretty good idea, that nothings going to happen.

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 1):
but can you imagine who Romney may put in?

That thought alone is enough to keep you up at night.

Has anyone been fingered out yet, as to who might take on the role of SS if Romney wins ?

Quoting Flighty (Reply 2):
anyone who is not Christian or Jewish is a dangerous, crazy militant who is bent on mad plots.

You may well have a point. I'm sure it wont take long for the theorists to take charge !

Quoting Jetsgo (Reply 3):
That's funny, last time I checked the US didn't support the Iranian government.

They don't, so I'm not sure what you find funny. But then again I don't really care.

[Edited 2012-07-16 19:17:59]


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User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7891 posts, RR: 52
Reply 5, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 3286 times:

Quoting TheCommodore (Reply 4):
Has anyone been fingered out yet, as to who might take on the role of SS if Romney wins ?

Idk, they still haven't even picked the VP nominee yet. My best guess is "not-the-person-Obama-put-in-as-secretary-of-state," very consistent with the rest of his views at the moment



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User currently offlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8838 posts, RR: 24
Reply 6, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 3266 times:

Quoting TheCommodore (Reply 4):
They don't, so I'm not sure what you find funny. But then again I don't really care.

Then why did you start a thread about it?



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User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25152 posts, RR: 85
Reply 7, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 3218 times:
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Quoting TheCommodore (Thread starter):
Isn't it about time this stopped, perhaps it will once H Clinton moves along, sometime soon I hope. It very clear she's not up to the job, never has. It was only offered to her to placate, and nothing more.

I think she's been an excellent Secretary of State. I strongly hoped that she would get the nod for President in the last election.

mariner



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User currently offlinePs76 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 3204 times:

Hi!

Quoting TheCommodore (Thread starter):
"THE US will "use all elements of its power" to keep Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons, Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton declared after meeting top Israeli officials."

That sounds like a very exaggerated statement to me. I mean will the US really launch nuclear weapons against Iran because isn't that included in "all elements of it's power".

So if Israel favours military action will they want the US to lead this military action. I would expect so. I kinda get the feeling that Israel gets America to do it's dirty work but I wonder how long the American people will go along with that. I wonder too if Israel will survive or if they will once again find themselves in diaspora.

Like I said to my jewish friend "Things would be a lot easier if they had just made Israel in Wisconsin"!

Many thanks.

Pierre


User currently offlineTheCommodore From Australia, joined Dec 2007, 2849 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 3162 times:

Quoting mariner (Reply 7):
I think she's been an excellent Secretary of State.

Well mariner,

I'd agree in as much as she hasn't ruffled to many feathers, so I suppose that something, but I was looking forward to somebody strong, who wouldn't just roll over, like I feel she has with certain countries within the ME, namely, failure to stop or even slow Israel's blatant land grab through complete lack of dialogue.

And lets not talk about Egypt..... where she said just days before Mubarak (whom she supported) was ousted, that "his Government was stable"
We all know where that ended don't we.

Asia seems to have been kinder to her. Obama wants to curtail China's influence (military at least) in the Pacific, and Clinton has largely carried this off, without too much argie bargie, although China is not happy, and nor are a lot of Australians who find we are probably better pursuing a "closer friendship" with China, rather than excluding them, after all, they are geographically located in the Pacific whether we like it or not and re therefor neighbors to some extent.

Pakistan is another fragile area. I haven't seen Clinton improver things here at all, in fact one could argue that relations are pretty abysmal between the two and will remain that way for sometime, again caused by fractious US foreign policy.

Hi Pierre

Quoting Ps76 (Reply 8):
I kinda get the feeling that Israel gets America to do it's dirty work but I wonder how long the American people will go along with that.

I wish it weren't the case, and you wouldn't be the first to come to that conclusion !

Quoting Ps76 (Reply 8):
I wonder too if Israel will survive or if they will once again find themselves in diaspora.

As long as the US continues to tolerate such actions, and double standards, things will remain the same I'm afraid.



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User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25152 posts, RR: 85
Reply 10, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 3150 times:
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Quoting TheCommodore (Reply 9):
I'd agree in as much as she hasn't ruffled to many feathers, so I suppose that something, but I was looking forward to somebody strong, who wouldn't just roll over, like I feel she has with certain countries within the ME, namely, failure to stop or even slow Israel's blatant land grab through complete lack of dialogue.

I really don't know what you would have her do or say.

The Israel/Palestine issue has defeated some of the greatest political minds in the world, for decades, and for good reason. The genie was let out of the bottle in 1948 when the critical provision of the Balfour Declaration was abandoned.

You really think she can turn back decades of time?

Quoting TheCommodore (Reply 9):
And lets not talk about Egypt..... where she said just days before Mubarak (whom she supported) was ousted, that "his Government was stable"
We all know where that ended don't we.

As it stands as the moment, almost as badly as I predicted it would in threads here. I may still prefer Mubarak to what we seem likely to get.

Quoting TheCommodore (Reply 9):
Asia seems to have been kinder to her. Obama wants to curtail China's influence (military at least) in the Pacific, and Clinton has largely carried this off, without too much argie bargie, although China is not happy, and nor are a lot of Australians who find we are probably better pursuing a "closer friendship" with China, rather than excluding them, after all, they are geographically located in the Pacific whether we like it or not and re therefor neighbors to some extent.

I guess we know different Australians. But again, what would her have you do? It is her job to extend and enhance America's interests. She's hardly likely to say "you're better off with China than with us."

Quoting TheCommodore (Reply 9):
Pakistan is another fragile area. I haven't seen Clinton improver things here at all, in fact one could argue that relations are pretty abysmal between the two and will remain that way for sometime, again caused by fractious US foreign policy.

If you know the answer to Pakistan, you're a cleverer man than presently holds office in any western country. It does seem that no one involved in the creation of that mess read their history books.

I am startled that you seem determined to lay the many complex - and long standing - problems of the world at her door.

mariner



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User currently offlineTheCommodore From Australia, joined Dec 2007, 2849 posts, RR: 8
Reply 11, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 3134 times:

Quoting mariner (Reply 10):
I really don't know what you would have her do or say.

Well, perhaps at least look like she's organizing something between the two waring parties. I find the silence amazing.

Too me, it looks the the US administration has no policy at all, with regards to this problem. But yet, and I'm sure that many would agree, the US is "expert" at other foreign matters in the world.

Quoting mariner (Reply 10):
You really think she can turn back decades of time?

Not anymore. Not when, as I said earlier, it appears the US has no policy, and if they do, then apparently they are not prepared to enforce it.

Quoting mariner (Reply 10):
But again, what would her have you do?

Not have her exert influence over our Lilly lived Government into hosting a US military base in Darwin for starts. Too me, that would not look good in front of the Chinese, especially as (we are all being told our future lies in Asia). Hardly anyway to win over trust in my mind, but you may think differently about it.
Anyway as I said, the Asia situation generally has been kinder to her IMHO, that is.

Quoting mariner (Reply 10):
I am startled that you seem determined to lay the many complex - and long standing - problems of the world at her door.

Mariner, Am really not laying the worlds problems at her door, I'm just saying, I don't think she been very effective at dealing with many of them, or when she has, thinks about the consequences of the actions.

But hey.... nobody's perfect now are they.   



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User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25152 posts, RR: 85
Reply 12, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 3127 times:
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Quoting TheCommodore (Reply 11):
Well, perhaps at least look like she's organizing something between the two waring parties. I find the silence amazing.

To what end? Netanyahu has made his (hardline) position very clear. He's the man who, not so very long ago, advocated the Jordanian option - move all the Palestinians out of the West Bank to Jordan.

Quoting TheCommodore (Reply 11):
Not anymore. Not when, as I said earlier, it appears the US has no policy, and if they do, then apparently they are not prepared to enforce it.

It takes two to tango. Things don't happen overnight or in headlines. Diplomacy is usually a very long game.

And she's not the President or the whole executive branch. She represents the consensus of the executive.

Quoting TheCommodore (Reply 11):
Not have her exert influence over our Lilly lived Government into hosting a US military base in Darwin for starts.

Why not? It is in America's interests. Whether it is in Australia's best interests (and I believe it is) is another matter.

If you don't like it and want to dump on someone, dump on the Australian government. It's the fashionable thing to do.

Quoting TheCommodore (Reply 11):
I'm just saying, I don't think she been very effective at dealing with many of them, or when she has, thinks about the consequences of the actions.

I doubt there is anything she can do to please you.

mariner



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User currently offlineOzGlobal From France, joined Nov 2004, 2718 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 3098 times:

Quoting TheCommodore (Thread starter):
Isn't it about time this stopped, perhaps it will once H Clinton moves along, sometime soon I hope.

What you have to understand is that you cannot hold power, an elected seat, in the US without one-sided, unconditional support for the state of Israel. The Israel lobby is perhaps more powerful than the health sector in 'owning'polititions. They permit NO questioning, NO oposition whatsoever to any Israeli policy, outrage or crime. Once elected or even during the campaign this become patently obvious. Afterwards, acquiesce is permanently assured. The just cave in, and fight battles on other fronts. The Israel lobby has the US by the throat.



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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10893 posts, RR: 37
Reply 14, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks ago) and read 3089 times:

Quoting TheCommodore (Thread starter):
Isn't it about time this stopped, perhaps it will once H Clinton moves along, sometime soon I hope. It very clear she's not up to the job, never has. It was only offered to her to placate, and nothing more.

Hillary Clinton will have to learn once and for all that she is not liked or even worshipped everywhere she goes.

I hope she got the lesson from her latest visit to Egypt.

"Hillary's motorcade pelted with tomatoes and shoes as Egyptian protesters shout 'Monica, Monica'"
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...torcade-pelted-tomatoes-Egypt.html

Lets hope she never gets to be the first female president.

  



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User currently offlineTheCommodore From Australia, joined Dec 2007, 2849 posts, RR: 8
Reply 15, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks ago) and read 3074 times:

Quoting mariner (Reply 12):
To what end? Netanyahu has made his (hardline) position very clear

mariner, you of all people should know, that lots of leaders have made their respective positions clear on lots of things in regards to the Israeli problem, that really doesn't mean diddly squat these days. What dose matter, is if the worlds most powerful nation, silently endorses Israeli actions, Sadly, it appears they do, and H Clinton is part of that. And that's why I feel she has not been such a good SS. If the will is there, and diplomacy happens (like you say it dose, in the long game) then there should be some movement is respect to this, but not much I'm afraid to say.

I realize that Clinton is not the one that makes policy, only explains it to the rest of the world, but its the way you do it that matters, and how you pull it off. In this regard, I feel she let the side down.

Quoting mariner (Reply 12):
If you don't like it and want to dump on someone, dump on the Australian government. It's the fashionable thing to do.

I already did that .
 

[Edited 2012-07-17 03:31:20]


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User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25152 posts, RR: 85
Reply 16, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks ago) and read 3065 times:
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Quoting TheCommodore (Reply 15):
I realize that Clinton is not the one that makes policy, only explains it to the rest of the world, but its the way you do it that matters, and how you pull it off. In this regard, I feel she let the side down.

Then we disagree.

mariner



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User currently offlineconnies4ever From Canada, joined Feb 2006, 4066 posts, RR: 13
Reply 17, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 3042 times:

Quoting Ps76 (Reply 8):

Like I said to my jewish friend "Things would be a lot easier if they had just made Israel in Wisconsin"!

Better yet carving it out of Germany and Silesia.



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User currently offlinePs76 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 3035 times:

Hi!

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 14):
"Hillary's motorcade pelted with tomatoes and shoes as Egyptian protesters shout 'Monica, Monica'"

I'm no fan of Hillary Clinton but shouting "Monica Monica" at her is really a low blow. And the article doesn't mention the US doing any harm to Egypt except supporting their last president. What is quite clear is that the people want to create a facist Islamic republic with no religious tolerance at all and expel all minorities. That is something we thought we got rid of when Hitler was defeated. Maybe they should look at themselves for a change.

Many thanks.

Pierre


User currently offlineconnies4ever From Canada, joined Feb 2006, 4066 posts, RR: 13
Reply 19, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 2993 times:

Quoting Ps76 (Reply 8):
So if Israel favours military action will they want the US to lead this military action. I would expect so. I kinda get the feeling that Israel gets America to do it's dirty work but I wonder how long the American people will go along with that. I wonder too if Israel will survive or if they will once again find themselves in diaspora

Tend to agree. Israel alone can't stop the Iranian program, IMHO, so they enlist American support by whatever means.

It's not even clear to me that the US (with or without Israel) can stop it militarily. What many people don't know is that Iran has really made great strides in developing super-hard concrete - originally this was done as part of "earthquake-proofing" buildings and bridges, but it always had a military application. Normal concrete tends to have a compressive load limit around 12-13,000 psi, reinforced can go to 16-17,000 psi fairly easily. Iran is acknowledged to be a leader in superhard concrete technology, producing materials that can withstand 40,000+ psi load levels. That, combined with perhaps 100 ft of overburden, might render the "bunker-busters" useless.

Then what ? Nukes ? The US and/or Israel would have committed an act of war and achieved zilch.

http://209.157.64.200/focus/f-news/1816872/posts

From the US perspective, this may also be of interest:

http://www.princeton.edu/sgs/publications/sgs/pdf/2_2-3Michener.pdf



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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10893 posts, RR: 37
Reply 20, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 2982 times:

Quoting Ps76 (Reply 18):
What is quite clear is that the people want to create a facist Islamic republic with no religious tolerance at all and expel all minorities.

Morsi and the Muslim Brotherhood have won by popular vote. They accessed power democratically. The majority of voters have made their choice. It's the people's right to choose how they want their country to be run and by whom - whether we like it or not.

I am sick of this constant Western interventionism having to tell others what to do and submit them to - even imposing - our own thinking and standard of living. Where is the freedom of choice and determination?

I'll say to them: Mind Your Own Business.

  



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User currently offlinemham001 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3619 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 2970 times:

All this blather because of some settlements. Not that I agree with settlements, but amid all the blather here, I have heard not one word about the threat of Iran acquiring nukes.

The Commodore apparently believes the world is better off with Iranian nukes than Israeli settlements.


User currently offlineconnies4ever From Canada, joined Feb 2006, 4066 posts, RR: 13
Reply 22, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 2961 times:

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 20):
Morsi and the Muslim Brotherhood have won by popular vote. They accessed power democratically. The majority of voters have made their choice. It's the people's right to choose how they want their country to be run and by whom - whether we like it or not.

   Democracy is funny that way. We plead with so many countries to adopt democratic principles and have "free and fair" elections, and when the results are not necessarily to our liking, we complain. Well, grow up. The process is what we asked for, the results are the people's choice.

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 20):
I am sick of this constant Western interventionism having to tell others what to do and submit them to - even imposing - our own thinking and standard of living.

One of the principal reasons there are so many problems in the area. Not to deny many internal issues, but our constant intervention or threats to do so don't help.

Quoting mham001 (Reply 21):
The Commodore apparently believes the world is better off with Iranian nukes than Israeli settlements.

The world would be better off if there were NO nuclear weapons and NO Israeli settlements, but neither is likely to happen.

I will repeat what I stated earlier in a Non-Av thread: Iran has a sovereign right to develop nuclear weapons, if that is their choice. Would the world be better off ? Likely not. At a minimum, the power equation in the ME would change. Does having them mean using them ? Not necessarily. Deterrence means, to paraphrase Harry Truman, "walking softly but carrying a big stick".

Mr. A is not the boss in Iran, and he will be shuffling off the stage pretty soon in any event. The Supreme Council led by Khamenei are in charge and, once again IMHO, do not wish to see 4,000 years of culture destroyed in a flash.



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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10893 posts, RR: 37
Reply 23, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 2917 times:

Quoting connies4ever (Reply 22):
The world would be better off if there were NO nuclear weapons and NO Israeli settlements, but neither is likely to happen.

all true

Quoting connies4ever (Reply 22):
Iran has a sovereign right to develop nuclear weapons, if that is their choice.

absolutely and it's none of our business to go tell them not to do it - we should really mind our own business at home

and now this?

US Navy ship fires on boat off Dubai, killing 1
http://www.boston.com/news/world/mid...ip_fires_on_boat_off_dubai_1_dead/

Breaking News: "US Navy Fires On Fishermen 'Without Warning'"
http://news.sky.com/story/961385/us-...fires-on-fishermen-without-warning

It seems in the last few months and weeks the US Navy have been itching to start a war, tensions seem to be rising in the Middle East region.


 



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User currently offlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8838 posts, RR: 24
Reply 24, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 2907 times:

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 20):
Morsi and the Muslim Brotherhood have won by popular vote. They accessed power democratically. The majority of voters have made their choice. It's the people's right to choose how they want their country to be run and by whom - whether we like it or not.
Quoting connies4ever (Reply 22):
Democracy is funny that way. We plead with so many countries to adopt democratic principles and have "free and fair" elections, and when the results are not necessarily to our liking, we complain. Well, grow up. The process is what we asked for, the results are the people's choice.

This is of course true. However it goes both ways. If these democratically elected governments decide to make good on their campaign threats to do away with Israel, and Israel knocks them back hard (including civilian casualties), then the civilian population has no cause to complain.



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25 connies4ever : The same would be true of American threats against Iran. Iran has never overtly attacked (as far as can be discerned by these eyes) America, yet vari
26 Aesma : Well, very stable and democratic countries like Pakistan and North Korea have nukes and somehow the world hasn't come to an end. Iran's rhetoric is e
27 mham001 : I'm having a hard time taking anything seriously from someone who claims North Korea is a "stable democracy". And Pakistan is "stable"?
28 mham001 : Question is...are the excusers for Iran ready to let anybody have nuclear weapons? Saudi Arabia? Nigeria? Where exactly is your line in the sand?
29 OzGlobal : Irony. Perhaps a less known literary device in the US?
30 WestJet747 : I wasn't going to engage this thread, but... If an unknown boat is heading your way and not responding to calls, it should be assumed it's a threat. I
31 Post contains links and images connies4ever : Quite. As a historical perspective, though, it may interest you to know that what is now known as Fail Safe, or PAL (Permissive Action Link), was dev
32 BMI727 : SAC didn't like it so the codes were set to all zeros.
33 Ps76 : Hi! Didn't Hitler also come into power democratically? Fascism whether voted in democratically or not is wrong. I'm tired of these hypocrites. When th
34 Post contains links DeltaMD90 : I don't know the details, but being in the Navy myself, I know that no sane CO would risk something like this without good reason... a minor mistake
35 Post contains images TheCommodore : We have a winner ! Madame, you are so right ! Yeah, why worry about settlements or providing/allowing the Palestinians homes/land. Oh, but you certai
36 connies4ever : Actually, I think Israel would be better off in the long run w/o nukes, as this would force them to deal realistically with the various factions in t
37 thegreatRDU : Israel needs to take a deep hard look at themselves... They are crumbling within as there is social unrest and their human rights record is abysmal Yo
38 kaitak : You think HC is bad (and I for one do not - I'm very much with Mariner on this), what happens if Romney is elected? Imagine John Bolton as Secretary o
39 Post contains links NW747400 : Ok TheCommodore, we get it you are not the biggest fan of the U.S. and particularly our foreign policy and that is ok. I do find it ironic, however, t
40 Post contains links Hywel : That's one of the most misquoted rhetorics about Iran - rather funny that people still believe it. It was a translation error and even a senior Israe
41 Hywel : What about Israel then? Why should they be allowed to have nukes?
42 Post contains links DeltaMD90 : You should read more about this topic: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmoud...22Wiped_off_the_map.22_controversy "wipe off the map" is not even an id
43 Post contains links Hywel : Anyone wanting to know about the effects of the last US intervention (or rather overthrow of a democratically elected Iranian government) should read
44 TheCommodore : Not so much bad, but ineffective is probably more the point. I mean, please tell me what you think her accomplishments have been as Sec of state ? It
45 DeltaMD90 : To be fair, I had to do a lot of independent digging. Many people watch the news frequently but the US media (and even Western media in general) is v
46 mariner : If you;re going to attribute everything that happens in the world to one person, then I'd put the relaxations in Mynamar in Mrs. Clinton's column - i
47 TheCommodore : I agree with you there. Generally speaking, most issues could be handled better, but we as human beings, have an uncanny knack of only realizing this
48 NASCARAirforce : I think he was referring to Israel. The last time I checked, the U.S. had more important things to worry about like getting our economy going, not f*
49 mariner : Why should America - or any nation - be "even handed."? In terms of diplomacy, I don't even know what that means. Why not dump on the Russians for no
50 TheCommodore : For one simple reason, fairness and even handedness. If you want other nations to "come round to your way of thinking" then I think this is a very im
51 Post contains links and images MadameConcorde : She is loved by few and hated by many. Al-Alam and Reuters Report Hillary Clinton Convoy Attack in Israel Israeli radio and Reuters broke the story t
52 mariner : Huh? Not being "even handed" is not the same as being two-faced. If someone promotes an agenda - as I think America does - at least you know where yo
53 TheCommodore : Perhaps it was a bad choice of words, maybe, consistency, would be better, rather than two faced. Oh really, is that so, or only until something chan
54 Post contains images mariner : I've just come back from a stint working in Perth and Geraldton. I'll be working in Echuca in a couple of weeks. That's in Australia. mariner
55 Post contains links NW747400 : First of all, I have no problem with the U.S. being criticized there are several areas in which, we are well deserving of criticism. I just happen to
56 luv2fly : I am sick of this constant Western interventionism having to tell others what to do and submit them to - even imposing - our own thinking and standard
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