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U.N. Commission For Legalizing Prostitution  
User currently offlinestarbuk7 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 599 posts, RR: 5
Posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2989 times:

Well, here is something new from world leaders!
http://cnsnews.com/news/article/un-c...-legalizing-prostitution-worldwide

Would this be a good thing or a bad thing.

Would it decrease the amount of Rapes in the world?

Would it increase the Slave Trade of Women in the world?

What are you thoughts??

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User currently offlineflipdewaf From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2006, 1577 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2977 times:
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As far as I know it is already legal in the UK, it is just illegal to solicit in a public place.

Fred


User currently offlinefr8mech From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 5489 posts, RR: 14
Reply 2, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 2949 times:

Quoting starbuk7 (Thread starter):
Would this be a good thing or a bad thing.

Net? I believe it would be a bad thing. But, we allow, even encourage, bad things all the time as a matter of policy. So, as long as it is truly consensual, have at it. I have serious moral qualms about prostitution.

Quoting starbuk7 (Thread starter):
Would it decrease the amount of Rapes in the world?

Rape is not about sex, it is about power. So, no, I seriously doubt there is any correlation between rape and legalized prostitution.

Quoting starbuk7 (Thread starter):
Would it increase the Slave Trade of Women in the world?

Probably. But, I have no data to support that. Just a gut feeling.

I would like to add that I'm generally against anything any U.N. commission decides is a good thing. Their aims, goals and motives should always be suspect.

Further reading indicates that this is, in the opinion of the commission, a way to reduce AIDS, so they lump in prostitution with I.V. drug use and the call to decriminalize that practice. While I'm on the fence about pot smoking (I lean towards decriminalization), I.V. drug use should remain illegal and those convicted of it should be given treatment, and the practice of I.V. drug use should not be encouraged by governments.

[Edited 2012-07-25 06:38:36]


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User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Azerbaijan, joined Oct 2003, 14061 posts, RR: 62
Reply 3, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 2931 times:

In Germany prostitution among consenting adults is fully legal, and prostitutes have full access to social services, like medical and pension insurance etc., but they also have to pay tax and insurance contributions.
Pimping and forcing somebody into prostitution is still illegal, as it should be. Legal prostitutes don´t need to nbe afraid of criminals extorting them and can go straight to the police if somebody tries to extort them (or a customer tries to cheat them). Illegal prostitutes can be blackmailed by criminals because they can´t go to the police.

Professional prostitutes formed professional associations, like www.hydra.de or www.sexworker.at
(in Austria).
Towns can still regulate e.g. banned areas where street prostitution is not allowed in, but AFAIK most prostitutes prefer a clean and regulated brothel (where they e.g. pay a regular rent for the use of a room, and where the customers get checked and where there is a bouncer available should a customer become troublesome) over dangerous street prostitution, where nobody knows with whom the woman rides away.
Prostitutes can also be employed by brothels with a regular working contract, but they have the right to refuse service towards individual customers.

One thing: Prostitutes are women (and in some cases men, I only have experience with female ones during my times when I was single) who deserve the same respect as given to any other woman. Some whom I´ve met would have been girlfriend material if I had met them in other circumstances (most don´t want to have a personal relationship with a previous customer, keeping private and business life strictly separate).

Jan


User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11667 posts, RR: 60
Reply 4, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 2903 times:

It is becoming increasingly common in the UK for female students to turn to escorting whilst at University. A friend did this - at first I thought she had wealthy parents as she had a great flat, lived well and wasn't taking out a loan to cover fees. But it turned out she was actually charging 'high class gentlemen' something like £150+ an hour for her 'time'. I was pretty shocked at first, but thinking about it she did this totally off her back (not forced into it) and seemed to really enjoy it. To be honest, even as an escort, she probably slept with fewer guys less frequently than some other girls.


Dan  



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User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Azerbaijan, joined Oct 2003, 14061 posts, RR: 62
Reply 5, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 2887 times:

I´ve also read about women from South and Central America (often single moms around 30 - 40), who come here on a tourist visa, work for three months in some brothel and fly back, often leaving the rented room to a friend, who takes over.
They save the money and use it for something back home, e.g. to buy a house or to pay for their kid´s education.
They know what they are doing and what they are getting themselves into, no criminals or pimps involved.

Jan


User currently offlinestealthz From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5714 posts, RR: 44
Reply 6, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 2886 times:
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Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 4):
she did this totally off her back

Was this an intended play on words... just asking!!  



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User currently offlineflyingturtle From Switzerland, joined Oct 2011, 2439 posts, RR: 14
Reply 7, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2867 times:

There is a good book on the topic, "Prostitution and Pornography: Philosophical Debate About the Sex Industry". I haven't read it until now, as it is quite popular at my library and the guys and gals that ordered that book before I did still haven't returned it...

The interesting thing about this book is that it was written by feminists.

No, this isn't the interesting thing. The interesting thing is that there are feminists that strongly favor prostitution because it actually exploits a male desire, and there is the older feminist view that prostitution is still a sell-out to males, an exploitation done *by* the males.

If you let feminists discuss about how women should be protected, I expect some of them to be severely inured or dead after the "discussion". 
Quoting starbuk7 (Thread starter):
Would this be a good thing or a bad thing.

I think it is a good thing, because legalizing prostitution is protecting women. In many countries there are laws that protect the debtor if a debtor has previously agreed to pay money to get something immoral or illegal.

If I give 1000 $ to somebody in order that he'll kill somebody, he has no obligation whatsoever to pay the money back if the doesn't carry out the murder. Because immoral or illegal contracts are always void.

The same is with prostitution. One could promise a woman 100 $ to have sex with her, and afterwards, the male part refuses to pay. She has no possibility to sue for the 100 $, because it was an immoral or illegal contract to begin with.

That said, legalizing prostitution will protect both sides. On top of that, prostitution can be taxed.

Quoting starbuk7 (Thread starter):
Would it decrease the amount of Rapes in the world?

I don't think legalizing prostitution will have a strong effect on rapes. IMHO, it depends much more strongly on the position and respect women are getting in their respective society.

Quoting starbuk7 (Thread starter):
Would it increase the Slave Trade of Women in the world?

If a woman is held in forced prostitution, she should not have to fear any repercussions if she flees from the brothel and wants to indict her "owners". The worst thing to do would be to treat her as an illegal immigrant and send her back - because that actually forces the women to stay in prostitution. There isn't a free choice anymore, but only a choice between the the bigger and the lesser evil.


David

[Edited 2012-07-25 08:39:02]


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User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7931 posts, RR: 52
Reply 8, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 2826 times:

Hmm, consenting adults agreeing to have sex for money... call that freedom and capitalism. Legalize! I personally have moral concerns against it, so I won't be visiting them.

It will probably make underground prostitution a lot more safe (surprise surprise, prostitution goes on everywhere, legal or not)



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19927 posts, RR: 59
Reply 9, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 2811 times:

Quoting starbuk7 (Thread starter):
Would this be a good thing or a bad thing.

Overall, a good thing.

Quote:
Would it decrease the amount of Rapes in the world?

I doubt it would make much difference. Men don't rape just because they're horny.

Quote:
Would it increase the Slave Trade of Women in the world?

Absolutely. When a business is legalized, it can be regulated. Records must be kept and standards may be imposed. I'm not saying that this will eliminate the slave trade of women, but it will significantly decrease it. Not only that, but the regulations can also address issues related to STD transmission by mandating regular STD testing for sex workers and condom use.

And as flying turtle pointed out, there is potential for tax revenue that we are currently wasting.

Quote:
What are you thoughts??

Prostitution is often called "The Oldest Profession." As long as there are men who are willing to pay for sex and women who are willing to rent their bodies out for use, the profession will remain. It is nothing short of foolish arrogance to think that it can be eliminated with enough enforcement. Like the drug war, trying to fight an unwinnable fight creates far more problems than it solves.

If you can't beat 'em, join 'em.


User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11667 posts, RR: 60
Reply 10, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 2769 times:

Quoting stealthz (Reply 6):
Was this an intended play on words... just asking!!

I thought it could be taken both ways  



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User currently offlinezippyjet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 5487 posts, RR: 13
Reply 11, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 2739 times:

Legalize it already. It's like the war on drugs: doesn't work. And, this would be a chance for Uncle Sam to reach in and tax it. Imagine the revenue if the world's oldest profession became legal! Our police are needed for more pressing matters.


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User currently offlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8866 posts, RR: 24
Reply 12, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 2726 times:

I have written Washington that I volunteer for the post of Inspector responsible for testing offered services to ensure that they conform to the highest standards...

Actually that's an interesting idea. Just like for Car crash testing standards, you have A, B, C, etc standards. The ladies would bend over backwards (maybe litterally) to get an "A" rating. Big grin

I want that job...

[Edited 2012-07-25 14:36:18]


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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19927 posts, RR: 59
Reply 13, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 2705 times:

Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 4):
It is becoming increasingly common in the UK for female students to turn to escorting whilst at University. A friend did this - at first I thought she had wealthy parents as she had a great flat, lived well and wasn't taking out a loan to cover fees. But it turned out she was actually charging 'high class gentlemen' something like £150+ an hour for her 'time'. I was pretty shocked at first, but thinking about it she did this totally off her back (not forced into it) and seemed to really enjoy it. To be honest, even as an escort, she probably slept with fewer guys less frequently than some other girls.

A running joke is that the difference between a "slut" and a "whore" is that the slut doesn't charge.  

But you raise a good point. I also knew a few young women in college and after who did various sorts of sex work (from stripping to high-class prostitution) and made good money at it. A former roommate of mine is a professional dominatrix, and although she never actually had sex with her clients, she considered herself a sex worker. Actually, it was somewhat funny because she's a little, petite thing with a bubbly demeanor and a relatively high-pitched voice. Apparently, there are a number of clients who get really turned on by being dominated by such a person.

These activities, regardless of individual views of their morality, contribute to the economy. Some of them are legal, while others are quasi-legal, and some are illegal. An interesting question that I don't really think can be answered is: Would the legalization of prostitution raise or lower prices? It's not a straightforward question. In the case of drugs, I think it's almost certain that legalization would dramatically lower prices because most of the high cost of drugs is a direct result of the risk incurred by traffickers and dealers. In the case of prostitution, there are forces (complying with regulations, record-keeping, inability to use slave labor, taxes) that might increase the price to consumers, while there are other forces, mostly having to do with the risk incurred by prositutes and their managers, that would tend to decrease the price to consumers. It would be interesting to see what the ultimate result would be. Of course, we might never know since there is no reliable way to do a general census of prostitution prices as long as it remains illegal.

And, like the drugs example, I don't think that one can use Nevada as an example case because prostitutes in Nevada have to compete with prostitutes in other states, just as "legal" marijuana growers and distributors in California have to compete with "illegal" growers and distributors in other states. Given that the majority of both marijuana and prostitution in the U.S. is illegal, the market prices are set by the black market, and not by the "legal" market.


User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19927 posts, RR: 59
Reply 14, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 2705 times:

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 12):
I have written Washington that I volunteer for the post of Inspector responsible for testing offered services to ensure that they conform to the highest standards...

Actually that's an interesting idea. Just like for Car crash testing standards, you have A, B, C, etc standards. The ladies would bend over backwards (maybe litterally) to get an "A" rating.

I want that job...

SUPERFLY!!! Stop hijacking Dradnought's account!  

Actually, I think Superfly isn't posting because he's too busy applying for the job.


User currently offlineflyingturtle From Switzerland, joined Oct 2011, 2439 posts, RR: 14
Reply 15, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2672 times:

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 12):
I have written Washington that I volunteer for the post of Inspector responsible for testing offered services to ensure that they conform to the highest standards...

Actually that's an interesting idea. Just like for Car crash testing standards, you have A, B, C, etc standards. The ladies would bend over backwards (maybe litterally) to get an "A" rating. Big grin

I want that job...

Actually, I've heard that there is already such a job. In a city in Chile.

I tried to google and couldn't come up with the source, though...



David



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User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Azerbaijan, joined Oct 2003, 14061 posts, RR: 62
Reply 16, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2625 times:

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 12):
I have written Washington that I volunteer for the post of Inspector responsible for testing offered services to ensure that they conform to the highest standards...

Actually that's an interesting idea. Just like for Car crash testing standards, you have A, B, C, etc standards. The ladies would bend over backwards (maybe litterally) to get an "A" rating. Big grin

I want that job...

[Edited 2012-07-25 14:36:18]

What does your wife say about it?  

Jan


User currently offlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8866 posts, RR: 24
Reply 17, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2570 times:

Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 16):
What does your wife say about it?

She doesn't read this blog  



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User currently offlinekiwirob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7555 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2564 times:

Quoting starbuk7 (Thread starter):
Would it increase the Slave Trade of Women in the world?

Decrease it would be the likely outcome, if it's legalised, regulated and taxed then it would be harder for trafficked women to work in the industry.


User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Azerbaijan, joined Oct 2003, 14061 posts, RR: 62
Reply 19, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 2533 times:

Quoting kiwirob (Reply 18):
Decrease it would be the likely outcome, if it's legalised, regulated and taxed then it would be harder for trafficked women to work in the industry.

Especially if there is some regulation that they´ll get protected and not charged as illegal immigrants, if they act as witnesses in court against the traffickers.

Jan


User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12710 posts, RR: 25
Reply 20, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2460 times:

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 8):
Hmm, consenting adults agreeing to have sex for money... call that freedom and capitalism. Legalize!
Quoting DocLightning (Reply 9):
When a business is legalized, it can be regulated. Records must be kept and standards may be imposed. I'm not saying that this will eliminate the slave trade of women, but it will significantly decrease it.

All quite sensible points.

Unfortunately there isn't much sense in our political process these days.

Instead we have jails full of street walkers and drug dealers that cost us money instead of bringing in tax revenue.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 9):
As long as there are men who are willing to pay for sex and women who are willing to rent their bodies out for use, the profession will remain. It is nothing short of foolish arrogance to think that it can be eliminated with enough enforcement. Like the drug war, trying to fight an unwinnable fight creates far more problems than it solves.

  

It also creates a cynicism about government.



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User currently offlinesrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2443 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 14):
Actually, I think Superfly isn't posting because he's too busy applying for the job.

I believe he's listing his time with the "Lube-A-Boob" van under "experience"......   

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Quoting DocLightning (Reply 13):
And, like the drugs example, I don't think that one can use Nevada as an example case because prostitutes in Nevada have to compete with prostitutes in other states, just as "legal" marijuana growers and distributors in California have to compete with "illegal" growers and distributors in other states. Given that the majority of both marijuana and prostitution in the U.S. is illegal, the market prices are set by the black market, and not by the "legal" market.

Considering that the legal brothels in Nevada are located in smaller communities in more rural counties of Nevada, one has to make a trek to them. The closest ones to Las Vegas are in Pahrump, which is a drive of about an hour or so. The typical Vegas tourist looking for a little somethin' somethin' is more likely to use the services of an illegal sex worker, be it an escort who advertises online or works for an agency who services are advertised either via the pornslappers handing out cards and magazines for escort agencies or on the back of a truck, a stripper they met in one of the strip clubs or a working girl who is either independent or works for a pimp. While some properties do turn a bit of a blind eye to the working girls, others are pretty strict about them being in their casinos (I've heard about the owner of one of the casinos on Fremont Street getting propositioned at a bar in his casino while his wife was standing right next to him.).

There have been discussions about potentially allowing legal brothels in Las Vegas, but to do so would require an overhaul of the law that allow them in certain counties (if that county wants to allow them) as well a potential vote in Clark County (Which would definitely be a hard sell.). It would make things safer, as the working girls in these legal brothels get checked on a weekly basis for STDs and condom use is mandatory.

There's been reports out of some cities in the US in which the police have arrested suspected working girls solely on the number of condoms they have on them (The girls weren't not caught in the act of solicitation.). As a result, working girls are carrying less condoms and in some cases, making do with items that are not intended for contraceptive use, like plastic bags (Makes me think of the episode of Archer in which he used a candy bar wrapper as a condom.) and there have been reported increases in STDs in those cities amongst the working girls. That's a risk nobody should be taking.


User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6722 posts, RR: 12
Reply 22, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2424 times:

France is sitting at crossroads currently on this matter. Prostitution is legal, as in neighboring countries. However it isn't regulated, brothels are illegal, unlike in Belgium, Germany, Spain, that get a lot for French business as a result.

And now a (woman) minister is talking about making it illegal, but not for the sex workers, only for the johns, the idea being that it's immoral to buy sex, not to sell it. Feminists are crying foul, sex workers too. We'll see what happens.

Personally I'm for allowing brothels. If only because sexual misery is a reality that won't go away. I read the other day the forum post of a guy saying to the minister (who is young and beautiful) that if she wants to sleep with him he's fine with banning prostitution !



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User currently offlinesrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2415 times:

Some would argue that dating and marriage are forms of prostitution........    Heck, there's a dating site I've heard ads for on the radio in which people pay to go a date with someone (typically someone that in normal circumstances wouldn't give them the time of day). In a sense, it is a form of prostitution, but they're not selling you sex.


Prostitution has always been around and it will always be around, legal or not. Where I live, we used to have a number of Asian massage parlors, which everyone pretty much knew were brothels masquerading as "spas". Some would get raided every now and then in what was essentially a dog and pony show. Then there was a new sheriff elected who raided all of them and shut them down. A few tried to pop back up and were quickly shut down. It didn't solve things, as they just went and opened up new ones in neighboring counties in which the enforcement was lax. Now in the area I live in, you see more and more street walkers as well as girls working out of motel rooms and they do sweeps of the hotels every couple of months. It doesn't solve anything if they're arresting the same folks over and over again for prostitution. Other than the legal brothels in Nevada, I doubt any place in the US will legalize prostitution or decriminalize it. Naming and shaming folks (the women, the johns, the pimps) isn't going to address the problem either.


User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19927 posts, RR: 59
Reply 24, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2415 times:

Quoting srbmod (Reply 21):
Considering that the legal brothels in Nevada are located in smaller communities in more rural counties of Nevada, one has to make a trek to them. The closest ones to Las Vegas are in Pahrump, which is a drive of about an hour or so.

Now how would you know that?      

But my question was more of a "I wonder if prices would go up or down?" question. Since you seem to have such vast knowledge of the subject  , do you happen to know how prices in the legal brothels compare to illegal sex workers in other areas?

Quoting srbmod (Reply 21):
There's been reports out of some cities in the US in which the police have arrested suspected working girls solely on the number of condoms they have on them (The girls weren't not caught in the act of solicitation.). As a result, working girls are carrying less condoms and in some cases, making do with items that are not intended for contraceptive use, like plastic bags

It's a classic example of making a problem worse by trying to stamp it out. It's like trying to put out a fire by fanning it. Just like illegalizing drugs makes the supply that much less safe, illegalizing prostitution does the same.

The opponents use the "shouldna" argument. He shouldna done it. Well, that's lovely, but he DID, and now he's got syphilis, and then he dated your daughter. And so now whose problem is it?

Quoting srbmod (Reply 21):

There have been discussions about potentially allowing legal brothels in Las Vegas, but to do so would require an overhaul of the law that allow them in certain counties (if that county wants to allow them) as well a potential vote in Clark County (Which would definitely be a hard sell.).

Why would it have to be overhauled? The only change is that I think that in NV, prostitution is banned in cities larger than 500K residents. That would have to be changed. Now, if you put it to a vote, I agree it probably would fail.

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 17):

She doesn't read this blog

And *holding out an upward-turned palm* what's it worth to ya to ensure that she KEEPS not reading it?  


User currently offlinesrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 25, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2428 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 24):
Now how would you know that?

I've never made the trek to any of the legal brothels. Let's just say that on some Vegas discussion forums and websites dedicated to Las Vegas travel, threads and discussions regarding the legal brothels pop up from time to time. So much of my info is gleaned from discussions and articles I have on sites over the years. I've also heard that these places are pretty expensive, which is part of the reason why illegal prostitution thrives in Las Vegas, as you don't have to drive all the way out to Pahrump and it's much cheaper. Some folks actually believe that prostitution is legal in Las Vegas and all of the pornslappers with their cards and magazines full of escort service ads as well as the trucks with "girls direct to you" emblazoned on the side of them don't help either and are part of the reason why some think it's legal. There's one episode of the show "Vegas Strip" in which some tourists from Turkey had a camera stolen from them by two working girls that they took back to their room the night before and had spotted one of the girls and called the cops. They were surprised when the cops told them that prostitution was illegal in Las Vegas. With a nickname like Sin City, some folks assume everything under the sun is legal there.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 24):
Why would it have to be overhauled? The only change is that I think that in NV, prostitution is banned in cities larger than 500K residents. That would have to be changed. Now, if you put it to a vote, I agree it probably would fail.

The law would have to be changed to remove the population requirement and of course if the law were to be rewritten, there would be all sorts of additional stuff tacked onto it. When the law was originally passed, it was as a means for smaller rural counties to make some extra money as unlike in Clark and Washoe counties, the other counties didn't have casinos (although in some of these brothel towns, there are casinos that have opened in recent years) and a lot of the industries that supported the local economy in these counties were in decline. It's an issue that I think the majority of Nevada politicians don't want to touch because it is such a controversial issue. I think many of them would prefer to enact a law that would close the legal brothels rather than to expand the reach of them.

Back in the days before the corporations owned the casinos in Las Vegas, many hotels had areas in the casinos in which the working girls were allowed to hang out without being hassled by security or the cops. You go to some of the casinos in Macau and there are similar such arrangements at a number of the casinos there.


User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19927 posts, RR: 59
Reply 26, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2410 times:

Quoting srbmod (Reply 25):
I've never made the trek to any of the legal brothels. Let's just say that on some Vegas discussion forums and websites dedicated to Las Vegas travel, threads and discussions regarding the legal brothels pop up from time to time. So much of my info is gleaned from discussions and articles I have on sites over the years. I've also heard that these places are pretty expensive, which is part of the reason why illegal prostitution thrives in Las Vegas, as you don't have to drive all the way out to Pahrump and it's much cheaper.

That is interesting, but not entirely surprising. If anything, legalizing prostitution might help to reduce the amount of it by raising the price.

Quoting srbmod (Reply 25):

Back in the days before the corporations owned the casinos in Las Vegas, many hotels had areas in the casinos in which the working girls were allowed to hang out without being hassled by security or the cops. You go to some of the casinos in Macau and there are similar such arrangements at a number of the casinos there.

Dubai, too (well, no casinos, but in the hotels), from what I hear. At first I was surprised... and then my brain turned on and I wasn't surprised. There are men in Dubai and...well...they're men.

Quoting srbmod (Reply 25):
With a nickname like Sin City, some folks assume everything under the sun is legal there.

It's quite true. And while illegal, many of the sins are so easy to find that you'd think they were legal.


User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12710 posts, RR: 25
Reply 27, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2399 times:

Quoting srbmod (Reply 25):
I've also heard that these places are pretty expensive, which is part of the reason why illegal prostitution thrives in Las Vegas, as you don't have to drive all the way out to Pahrump and it's much cheaper.

I've never been to Vegas, but this is what I've read as well.

The other reality show, "Las Vegas Jailhouse", shows how many prostitutes they run through the system each night.

Seems pretty ridiculous to me.

Set up safe, clean, well-lit brothels. Inspect them regularly to keep them on the up and up. It's better having street walkers all over the place. I'm sure kids these days know about sex in general and prostitution in particular quite early on, so what's the issue? Surely one of the first swear words I knew was "whore", and I knew what it meant. There will always be prostitutes, so let's let them get by with a little dignity, and stop tying up the courts and jails with them.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 26):
If anything, legalizing prostitution might help to reduce the amount of it by raising the price.

I suppose, but I think it'd increase the customer base to include those who really can't have any legal entanglements on their records (for instance, defense/security workers, and yes, doctors in states where the medical boards can be troublesome), and those who are more concerned about quality, safety and health issues.



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19927 posts, RR: 59
Reply 28, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 2377 times:

Quoting Revelation (Reply 27):
I suppose, but I think it'd increase the customer base to include those who really can't have any legal entanglements on their records (for instance, defense/security workers, and yes, doctors in states where the medical boards can be troublesome), and those who are more concerned about quality, safety and health issues.

The trouble with prostitution is that, particularly when you get to the high-class level, it becomes so ambiguous that it's hard to prove. So it's almost impossible to enforce a ban.

Ever read this article?
http://www.theonion.com/articles/hou...arged-in-sexforsecurity-scam,1773/

Quote:
AKRON, OH—Area resident Helen Crandall, 44, was arrested by Akron police Sunday, charged with conducting an elaborate "sex for security" scam in which she allegedly defrauded husband Russell Crandall out of nearly $230,000 in cash, food, clothing and housing over the past 19 years using periodic offers of sexual intercourse.

It's a joke (The Onion), but it does raise a valid point about the blurring of the line between prostitution and other relationships to the point where it becomes difficult to unambiguously convict someone in court.


User currently offlinekiwirob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7555 posts, RR: 4
Reply 29, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 2362 times:

It's a really stupid situation in Norway, prostitution is legal, but buying sex is illegal, it's also illegal for a Norwegian citizen to purchase sex from a prostitute even in a country where prostitution is legal. The result of this is that the sex industry has gone underground and there are now a lot more problems, especially with prostitutes being hurt.

User currently offlineflyingturtle From Switzerland, joined Oct 2011, 2439 posts, RR: 14
Reply 30, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2349 times:

I wonder how often prostitution laws are enacted with a semblance of protecting women, or to put moral codes unto the population.

There is male prostitution, and then there is prostitution catering for homosexual customers. Is the prostitution debate there any different?


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User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12710 posts, RR: 25
Reply 31, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2329 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 28):
It's a joke (The Onion), but it does raise a valid point about the blurring of the line between prostitution and other relationships to the point where it becomes difficult to unambiguously convict someone in court.

I bet procecutorial discretion would avoid most of the problems.

Quoting flyingturtle (Reply 30):
I wonder how often prostitution laws are enacted with a semblance of protecting women, or to put moral codes unto the population.

I find it interesting that the "less government" party has a hard time admitting they like big government when it comes to morality enforcement.



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User currently offlineflyingturtle From Switzerland, joined Oct 2011, 2439 posts, RR: 14
Reply 32, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2320 times:

Quoting Revelation (Reply 31):
I bet procecutorial discretion would avoid most of the problems.

Which would lead to double standards. A prosecutor in one county sees it so, another prosecutor in another county is more lenient. We need to agree on a clear-cut definition of prostitution - or we legalize it completely. We already have enough problems with "escort girls". Nobody can prove what they are doing with their customers, but everybody knows.

Prostitution is most often defined as "sexual service in exchange for payment", and for me, giving things to a woman that can be easily converted into money constitutes payment. So, the Onion article is spot on.

Therefore, legalize it completely, and the only restriction should be child protection laws.

Quoting Revelation (Reply 31):
I find it interesting that the "less government" party has a hard time admitting they like big government when it comes to morality enforcement.

  

If they say that prostitution is immoral, they should also admit that an free market economy is inevitably immoral.

Another point... Switzerland is one of the few countries where paid sex with a 16 or 17 years old girl is legal, but employing her in a brothel would be punishable.


David



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19927 posts, RR: 59
Reply 33, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2294 times:

Quoting flyingturtle (Reply 30):
There is male prostitution, and then there is prostitution catering for homosexual customers. Is the prostitution debate there any different?

It's such a small percentage of prostitution that I don't think it's much on the radar, but I guarantee that if heterosexual prostitution is trafe, male prostitution is double-trafe.

Quoting flyingturtle (Reply 32):
Prostitution is most often defined as "sexual service in exchange for payment", and for me, giving things to a woman that can be easily converted into money constitutes payment. So, the Onion article is spot on.

Very well put. And somewhat ironic that the Onion can make such a sage point.

Quoting Revelation (Reply 31):
I find it interesting that the "less government" party has a hard time admitting they like big government when it comes to morality enforcement.

"Less Government For Me, More Government For You."


User currently offlineflyingturtle From Switzerland, joined Oct 2011, 2439 posts, RR: 14
Reply 34, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2257 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 33):
Very well put. And somewhat ironic that the Onion can make such a sage point.

One could reasonably extend the "prostitution = sex for payment" definition by including everything that directly saves money on the female's part. She is living with her husband? She does not need an apartment of her own. She can use her husband's car? She does not need to buy and maintain her own car.

Now, does income inequalities always translate into a sort of prostitution? I'm sure some people, perhaps feminists, have thought about this.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 33):
trafe

I've never come across that expression. Would you care to explain, Doctor? 


David



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19927 posts, RR: 59
Reply 35, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2231 times:

Quoting flyingturtle (Reply 34):
I've never come across that expression. Would you care to explain, Doctor?

Trafe is a word for something that is not Kosher in Jewish law. Can be used as slang for "not allowed."


User currently offlineflyingturtle From Switzerland, joined Oct 2011, 2439 posts, RR: 14
Reply 36, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2200 times:

Thank you. Now I'll try to use that word daily. 


David



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