CXB77L From Australia, joined Feb 2009, 2183 posts, RR: 4 Posted (9 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2683 times:
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Final race before a four week mid season break. McLaren (especially Hamilton) seem to have thrown down the gauntlet to everyone else - they were super quick all throughout the weekend and in qualifying. Given that the Hungaroring has been a circuit where overtaking is difficult, and Hamilton's pace, I think Hamilton will win this race unless he makes a mistake.
As a Williams fan, I'm glad to see both Williams make the top 10
Qualifying results:
Pos Driver Team Time Gap
1. Lewis Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes 1m20.953s
2. Romain Grosjean Lotus-Renault 1m21.366s + 0.413
3. Sebastian Vettel Red Bull-Renault 1m21.416s + 0.463
4. Jenson Button McLaren-Mercedes 1m21.583s + 0.630
5. Kimi Raikkonen Lotus-Renault 1m21.730s + 0.777
6. Fernando Alonso Ferrari 1m21.844s + 0.891
7. Felipe Massa Ferrari 1m21.900s + 0.947
8. Pastor Maldonado Williams-Renault 1m21.939s + 0.986
9. Bruno Senna Williams-Renault 1m22.343s + 1.390
10. Nico Hulkenberg Force India-Mercedes 1m22.847s + 1.894
Q2 cut-off time: 1m21.697s Gap *
11. Mark Webber Red Bull-Renault 1m21.715s + 0.655
12. Paul di Resta Force India-Mercedes 1m21.813s + 0.753
13. Nico Rosberg Mercedes 1m21.895s + 0.835
14. Sergio Perez Sauber-Ferrari 1m21.895s + 0.835
15. Kamui Kobayashi Sauber-Ferrari 1m22.300s + 1.240
16. Jean-Eric Vergne Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1m22.380s + 1.320
17. Michael Schumacher Mercedes 1m22.723s + 1.663
Q1 cut-off time: 1m22.948s Gap *
18. Daniel Ricciardo Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1m23.250s + 1.456
19. Heikki Kovalainen Caterham-Renault 1m23.576s + 1.782
20. Vitaly Petrov Caterham-Renault 1m24.167s + 2.373
21. Charles Pic Marussia-Cosworth 1m25.244s + 3.450
22. Timo Glock Marussia-Cosworth 1m25.476s + 3.682
23. Pedro de la Rosa HRT-Cosworth 1m25.916s + 4.122
24. Narain Karthikeyan HRT-Cosworth 1m26.178s + 4.384
QFA380 From Australia, joined Jul 2005, 2025 posts, RR: 1 Reply 2, posted (9 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2672 times:
Alonso and Webber didn't pull very good positions, with any luck Vettel will suffer again.
Two McLarens and a Lotus on the podium would be a nice finish I think, hopefully Webber can climb a little higher, maybe finish in 6th or better with any issues he seemed to have last week resolved.
stealthz From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5430 posts, RR: 49 Reply 8, posted (9 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 2602 times:
22 cars finished..WTF
I am not a big fan of races of attrition but the current reliability rate points to the serious stifling of innovation in F1 these days.
A 'tactical" retirement for Schumi and an unforced error from Karthikeyan, that is not F1, there is supposed to be development and risk taking...
Reliability runs should be saved for historic race and rally events!!
PS. seems Kobayashi and Kovalainen stopped in the closing stages as well but my point stands
A side story. I heard a leading F1 scribe say a few days before the AGP in March that Vergne was going to eat Ricciardo alive as Vergne was "hungry"... Vergne might have to lift his game as so far it is Qual 10/1 Race 6/5 in Ricciardo's favour!!
[Edited 2012-07-29 07:28:50]
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Aesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 4783 posts, RR: 9 Reply 10, posted (9 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 2581 times:
Lewis won, greatly helped by that boring circuit where passing is almost impossible, and Lotus terrible strategy. They clearly had the better car, again without winning. But that's champions for you, winning against the odds. Alonso made the best out of the race too, despite a very slow Ferrari. Kimi, always fun with his poker face on the podium !
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CXB77L From Australia, joined Feb 2009, 2183 posts, RR: 4 Reply 11, posted (9 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 2576 times:
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Wow, what a boring race. But the positives from my perspective is that Alonso struggled, Vettel finished ahead of both Alonso and Webber to close in on both. Senna did well for Williams to finish in the points - very important in its battle with Force India. Unfortunately Maldonado being his usual self can't finish a race without driving into someone.
Brilliant charge by Vettel towards the end. I was willing Vettel to get past Grosjean but knew deep down it was never going to happen on this track.
I think it's great that engine manufacturers have made huge strides in reliability since the FIA decided to limit the number of engines each car can use over a season. There's less chance of drivers in situations where they would've won but for their engine blowing up, and if it happened time and time again, it gets frustrating.
stealthz From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5430 posts, RR: 49 Reply 12, posted (9 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 2567 times:
Quoting CXB77L (Reply 11): I think it's great that engine manufacturers have made huge strides in reliability since the FIA decided to limit the number of engines each car can use over a season.
But that was never the point of F1, pushing the envelope, to use an aeronautical term, was (and should be) the thing, now it is a regularity run!!
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CXB77L From Australia, joined Feb 2009, 2183 posts, RR: 4 Reply 13, posted (9 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2562 times:
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Quoting stealthz (Reply 12): But that was never the point of F1, pushing the envelope, to use an aeronautical term, was (and should be) the thing, now it is a regularity run!!
Point taken.
In some ways I agree, I wish the FIA would just do away with limits on the engines and gearboxes that cars can run throughout the season, so the focus is more on "pushing the envelope" rather than on reliability. But I would still prefer to see cars that are able to finish grands prix rather than have their engine blow up while leading by half a minute.
na From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 9611 posts, RR: 10 Reply 14, posted (9 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2561 times:
Quoting CXB77L (Reply 11): Wow, what a boring race. But the positives from my perspective is that Alonso struggled, Vettel finished ahead of both Alonso and Webber to close in on both.
Yes, a boring race. Ferrari maintained to limit damages with a car that wasnt competitive today. Alonso could finish ahead of Webber, and Vettel couldnt gain much so basically the situation is as it was before the race, with the exception that Hamilton has bettered his (still small) chance on the Championship. I am disappointed with Mercedes, expecially Schuhmacher, and again with Massa. I hope that the Scuderia is announcing soon who´ll replace that Brazilian loser whoo is a disgrace for the most important team. Positive surprise today: Lotus - with both drivers.
Looking forward to Spa, the greatest racecourse ion the calendar. Imho red is the best looking colour in front of the dark forests there!
sudden From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 4127 posts, RR: 6 Reply 16, posted (9 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2461 times:
Quoting na (Reply 14): hope that the Scuderia is announcing soon who´ll replace that Brazilian loser whoo is a disgrace for the most important team
Ferrari is talking to Raikkonen as a possible replacement for 2013 so wonder what that might lead to. His comeback has sure not been slow, and his agressive move on Grosjean in to turn 1 shows that he still has it. Yes, I do like Raikkonen.
I could see Ferrari go for a driver that has been with the team before and knows their work ethics.
CXB77L From Australia, joined Feb 2009, 2183 posts, RR: 4 Reply 17, posted (9 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2457 times:
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Quoting sudden (Reply 16): Ferrari is talking to Raikkonen as a possible replacement for 2013
I just read the report on Autosport, but I would just dismiss that as nothing more than a rumour. Raikkonen and Ferrari didn't exactly separate on the best of terms, being unceremoniously dumped in favour of Alonso. I also don't think Raikkonen will want to be Alonso's lap dog - he's far too good a driver to ruin his career as a number two driver.
Ferrari should be looking for someone who has yet to establish himself. Perez will probably fit in reasonably well.
Having two world champions in the same team is a rarity, and off the top of my head, only McLaren in 1989 with Prost and Senna, and again with Hamilton and Button, have had two past world champions in the same team at the same time.
sudden From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 4127 posts, RR: 6 Reply 18, posted (9 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2452 times:
Quoting CXB77L (Reply 17): Raikkonen and Ferrari didn't exactly separate on the best of terms, being unceremoniously dumped in favour of Alonso
True, but Alonso apparently has a saying when it comes to who will be his team mate next year. And he and Kimi are getting along well. But yeah, Alonso is established in the team, and Kimi would never settle for no. 2. However, would Alonso want a team mate that can beat him on equal terms? Doubt it as we know how it went over at Mclaren.
Quoting CXB77L (Reply 17): Ferrari should be looking for someone who has yet to establish himself
That said, Ferrari want to bring the constructors title back on to their shelf, and one way of doing this would might be to have 2 established drivers who are not hot headed. Both are calm drivers who is fast when needed. But well, I guess we need to wait and see.
Aesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 4783 posts, RR: 9 Reply 19, posted (9 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2419 times:
French commentators discussed this during the GP and one said that Di Montezemolo was very harsh with Kimi during his last season, adding he would only come back if Montezemolo wasn't there anymore.
But I agree that Alonso would never want him anyway.
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sudden From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 4127 posts, RR: 6 Reply 20, posted (9 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2412 times:
Quoting Aesma (Reply 19): adding he would only come back if Montezemolo wasn't there anymore.
Di Montezemolo seem to be £"$%&^*& if you ask me. so false as one can be. I mean, as soon as he sees that a camera is on him he smiles and give team members a path in the back.
na From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 9611 posts, RR: 10 Reply 22, posted (9 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2397 times:
Quoting sudden (Reply 20): Di Montezemolo seem to be £"$%&^*& if you ask me. so false as one can be. I mean, as soon as he sees that a camera is on him he smiles and give team members a path in the back.
I do not think so, havent notice anything like it. He is one of he most distinguished Italian managers since he led the Scuderia to the WC in 1975. If he would be so negative as you suggest he would have fired Massa two years ago.
Quoting CXB77L (Reply 17): Ferrari should be looking for someone who has yet to establish himself.
I agree unless you´re talking about a rookie. It should be someone with at least two years experience who has shown a lot of talent already. Difficult as ther is no apparent big star in the waiting. Most are too unreliable, like Maldonado. Rosberg, Grosjean, Hülkenberg could perhaps be candidates.
Its apparent that Raikönnen makes no sense for the Reds.
EZEIZA From Argentina, joined Aug 2004, 4929 posts, RR: 28 Reply 23, posted (9 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2385 times:
Quoting sudden (Reply 16): Ferrari is talking to Raikkonen as a possible replacement for 2013 so wonder what that might lead to
Quoting na (Reply 22): Its apparent that Raikönnen makes no sense for the Reds.
Well, as long as there are no personal problems that would not help the team, I would really like to see Kimi back. Yeah, he's one boring fellow, but he can race, and it would be great for Ferrari to have two proper drivers per race. Massa ... well, he was never great, but after his terrible accident, he's really, really bad, and Ferrari must replace him with someone competitive.
About the race, not much to say. really boring, especially until the first set of pit stops. Nothing much going on. It did get better for the last part of the race, when it seemed that kimi would attack Lewis, but that never happened.
The Ferrari was really slow yesterday, but the damage was kept to a minimum, so it wasn't that bad.
sudden From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 4127 posts, RR: 6 Reply 24, posted (9 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 2364 times:
Quoting stealthz (Reply 21): Ah, I have so much respect for someone with such a racing pedigree, his claim to fame in racing was in a FIAT 500!!
Quoting na (Reply 22): He is one of he most distinguished Italian managers since he led the Scuderia to the WC in 1975.
Just the way I have seen him act on TV when he sees that he is on TV. He sure knows what he is doing as otherwise he would not have the position that he has within the company.
When in doubt, flat out!
25 Bill142: He's trying to get into politics so making sure you know how to kiss ass on the camera is very important.
26 sudden: His fake smiles and even how the team around him reacts is pretty obvious, but what do I know, really
27 stealthz: Seems Schumi has attracted the wrath of officialdom.. like that hasn't happened before!!! http://www.planet-f1.com/driver/1822...hiting-Schumi-must-l
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