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Why Aren't Israel And India Close Allies?  
User currently offlinePROSA From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5644 posts, RR: 4
Posted (12 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 1941 times:

If any two countries should be brought together by virtue of the "enemy of my enemy is my friend" adage, it's Israel and India. Both have a general dislike of Muslims, both deal with Muslim terrorism, and both consider themselves paragons of democracy in largely non-democratic regions. Yet they don't seem particularly close. Why would that be?


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User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16281 posts, RR: 56
Reply 1, posted (12 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 1929 times:

Actually, there are fast becoming allies. They have growing economic & military ties driven, in part, by their geographic location & proximity to Muslim enemies.



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User currently offlineRai From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (12 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1917 times:

PROSA says:
Both have a general dislike of Muslims, both deal with Muslim terrorism, and both consider themselves paragons of democracy in largely non-democratic regions.

Who said India dislikes Muslims? They only have the largest Muslim population on the planet! Granted, India seems to be the only place where Jews (they have a sizable Jewish population there as well) and Muslims seem to get along.

As far as Israel having no Muslim allies, what about Turkey? Turkey is a Muslim country and they have very good relations with Israel. I believe they even cooporate in eachothers defense programs.


User currently offlineEL-AL From Israel, joined Oct 2001, 1312 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (12 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1910 times:

Israel and India are not very good friends, but India usually buy Israeli millitery items, and there are meny israelis who come to see India. As Ray said, Turkey is one of israel most imporetent friends, only USA is more importent to israel then Turkey.


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User currently offlineBarfBag From India, joined Mar 2001, 2231 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (12 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 1901 times:

Most co-operation between India and Israel is covert, and not in the public domain; in reality the amount of interaction would surprise a lot of people. Indo-Israeli cooperation is not driven by a larger picture of both being explicit US allies, the way Israel and Turkey are. India and US are militarily friendlym but not like Turkey-US. Most of the top Indian politicians are very pro-Israeli. The two countries are getting closer in other ways - more consulates are being opened and LOTS of Israelis coming to Goa for holidaying after their compulsory military service.




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User currently offlineIndianguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (12 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 1895 times:

Hatred for Muslims? I wouldnt put it that way. India has more muslims thany other country after Indonesia. But we do face the same kind of terrorist strikes with terrorists striking at our locations and getting away with no more than filibustry from the White House. So in that sense there is common sense of hurt and there has been an attempt to come together on that front.

Israel has recently overtaken France and UK to emerge as the second largest supplier of arms to India after Russia! There has been lenty of covert supply of technologies as well, most notably in the field of ground and air based radars which Israel has very kindly supplied away frm the prying eyes of the Yanks.

In non-military areas there has been an increase in co-operation as well, like in the exchange of agricultural technologies developed in each others countries for eg. It can only get better.

-Roy


User currently offlineTwaneedsnohelp From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (12 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 1886 times:

India and Israel have a complicated relationship. They have a very strong and successful defense relationship, Israel sells everything from howitzer upgrades to unmaned spy drones.

India is also one of the largest destinations for travelling young Isrealis. Many many go.

However, India is in no rush to upset the Arab states which a close relationship with Israel would bring. The Arabs are no fans of Pakistan, and cheap Arab oil is very important to India, as it is to every country in the world.

I don't like Peter's line that both hate/dislike Muslims. India has a large Muslim population although Rai is wrong, India is not the largest Muslim nation. India has had past Muslim Prime Ministers and celebrities. I don't believe Israel has any hatred to Islam, Israel has Muslims in knesset, subsidizes the construction of mosques and affords full rights to all Israeli citizen Muslims. Both instead have a hatred/dislike of Islamic terror just as the US does and some Arab countries but noticeably not the Palestinian Authority.

TNNH


User currently offlineRai From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (12 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 1880 times:

I stand corrected. India's Muslim's population is about 120 million, compared to Indonesia's 200 million. India must have the second largest Muslim population in the world.

User currently offlinePROSA From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5644 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (12 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 1877 times:

I don't like Peter's line that both hate/dislike Muslims. India has a large Muslim population although Rai is wrong, India is not the largest Muslim nation. India has had past Muslim Prime Ministers and celebrities. I don't believe Israel has any hatred to Islam, Israel has Muslims in knesset, subsidizes the construction of mosques and affords full rights to all Israeli citizen Muslims. Both instead have a hatred/dislike of Islamic terror just as the US does and some Arab countries but noticeably not the Palestinian Authority.

I'll qualify what I said. India does not hate Muslims per se, but more so than any country except Israel and the United States has suffered at the hands of militant Islam. It will be interesting to see whether Indian leaders and citizens can maintain the "good Muslim/bad Muslim" distinction as terrorism gets worse. It is rather noteworthy that the events of September 11th did not turn into mass hatred of Muslims in the United States. Most Americans were able to draw a distinction between al-Qaeda and ordinary Muslims. India may not be able to do as well, as its political and social structure is considerably less stable than America's.
For the record, I'd have to say that India is not entirely free of blame in the Kashmir situation. It's not entirely Islam's fault.



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User currently offlineRai From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (12 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 1870 times:

I think this article explains the relationship between Israel and India pretty well.

http://www.atimes.com/ind-pak/DF26Df02.html


User currently offlineTwaneedsnohelp From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (12 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 1862 times:

Oh yeah after the devestating Gugarat eathquake last year, Israel quicky sent a large contingent of highly trained doctors and rescue workers to search for those burried under the rubbel and treat those rescued. pictures are below. Israel has helped Turkey often in the past too.

pictures of Israeli rescue operation in Gugarat after devestating earthquake:
http://www.idf.il/english/idf_in_pictures/2001/february/india_new.stm

click on the text.

tnnh


User currently offlineBoeing in pdx From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (12 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 1846 times:

Turkey has been shunned by the Arab world because of it's ties with NATO so it is a exception to the rules.

User currently offlineRai From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (12 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 1842 times:

Boeing_in_pdx says:
Turkey has been shunned by the Arab world because of it's ties with NATO so it is a exception to the rules.

Not necessarily. Turkey has territorial issues with some Arab countries, notably Syria, but they have pretty good relations with Egypt, some of the Gulf nations and Jordan. Their relations with Iraq are even improving (albeit slowly) and prior to the Gulf War, Iraq was Turkey's biggest trading partner. Relations are not perfect with the Arabs, but not all that hostile.

If there seems to be detatchment from the Arab world, it's because Turkey thinks of itself more a part of Europe or the West than Arab World. Turks are not ethnically Arab and their language is part of the Altaic group (which means it is more similar to Mongolian and Finnish than it to Arabic). They would like nothing better than to be a full-fledged member of the EU, where they've been denied entry several times -- mostly because of Greek objections.


User currently offlineBoeing in pdx From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (12 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 1836 times:

Why do the greeks and turks hate each other? is it because Turkey used to be part of greece but that was like 2,000 years ago.

User currently offlineRai From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (12 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 1833 times:

Boeing_in_pdx says:
Why do the greeks and turks hate each other? is it because Turkey used to be part of greece but that was like 2,000 years ago.

That goes waaaaaaaaaaaaay back! You could write a whole history book on that topic.


User currently offlinePROSA From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5644 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (12 years 2 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 1825 times:

They [Turkey] would like nothing better than to be a full-fledged member of the EU, where they've been denied entry several times -- mostly because of Greek objections.

I had thought the issue was the other EU countries' fear of Turkish migrants if Turkey became a member.



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User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16281 posts, RR: 56
Reply 16, posted (12 years 2 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 1815 times:

There are a host of reasons why Turkey's interest in the EU is not shared by many EU members:
1. Turkey is a muslim state.
2. Turkey's huge population.
3. Turkey's low PCI.
4. Existing problem in many EU countries absorbing Turkish economic migrants.
5. Turkey's civil rights issues.
6. Strong opposition by Greece.
7. Other entrants with a higher pecking order.
8. Concerns about Turkey's relatively unstable Eastern border neighbours.






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User currently offlineRai From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (12 years 2 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 1812 times:

PROSA says:
I had thought the issue was the other EU countries' fear of Turkish migrants if Turkey became a member.

It could be a factor, and there are many, but the main reason why Turkey has yet to join the EU is because of Greek objections. Another factor is how the Turks treat their ethnic Kurdish population -- the EU would like to see improvement on that. Most EU countries would accept Turkey into the organization, but Greek objections, based mostly on historical reasons, have prevented Turkey from joining thusfar.


User currently offlineTwaneedsnohelp From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (12 years 2 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 1806 times:

Actually Turkey's relationship with its former miltantly hostile Kurdish minority has improved dramatically to a point where Turkey can teach Israel a few lessons on how to quell an uprising. I wish they would, Israel needs to try something else.

User currently offlineBoeing in pdx From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (12 years 2 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 1797 times:

Does Israel have any other allies than USA Turkey and Canada? i think Sri Lanka is a ally.

User currently offlineTwaneedsnohelp From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (12 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 1780 times:

germany loves to claim they are one of israel's best friends, but they aren't. at the first site of israel defending itself, the fatherlanders go nuts.

although, israel now has some of the most advanded nuclear subs in the world which include seaborn nuclear weapons launchers courtesy of the germans and for not a lot of shekels, also courtesy of the germans.

so maybe they aren't THAT bad.  Big grin


User currently offlineBoeing in pdx From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (12 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 1773 times:

Ok but what about Sri Lanka I would relay like to know the status of Israel and Sri Lanka. And those subs aren't nuclear

User currently offlineTwaneedsnohelp From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (12 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 1766 times:

they can launch nuclear missiles, thats what i mean

User currently offlineBoeing in pdx From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (12 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 1761 times:

But the Germans did not supply them with anything nuclear. Just diesel subs.

User currently offlineRyanb741 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2002, 3221 posts, RR: 15
Reply 24, posted (12 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 1758 times:

Turkey is not allowed in the EU because of it's Human Rights problems - e.g. it still uses the death penalty.


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25 Alessandro : Well fuel on the fire, they both dislike Pakistan and there´s actually a Jewish group in Israel from India. They trade a lot between India and Israel
26 KAUSpilot : Last time I checked Turkey was part of AISA. Maybe this has something to do with them not being allowed into the EUROPEAN union.
27 Twaneedsnohelp : ´ve seen pictures of shops with painted signs, "No Israels", America used to be like that except it usually read "No Jews or Dogs". tnnh
28 Alessandro : Kauspilot, Turkey is mainly in asia, but there´s european part on the left side of Bosporos, the west side of Istanbul is in europe, the east side in
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