stasisLAX From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3293 posts, RR: 7 Posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2520 times:
2013 Lexus LS sedan
At an in-person event in San Francisco last evening (and via Facebook and Twitter), Lexus officially unveiled the 2013 LS sedan. The brand’s flagship luxury sedan has stagnated in the past few model years as a resullt of growing competition from both premium and even more mainstream brands (aka the Hyundai Genesis sedan). Multiple refreshes have failed to consistently maintain the sales numbers from the model’s 1990's hay-days. Lexus hopes the 2013 LS will revive interest and boost sales - however, the LS is still one of the world's most isolating sedans - silky smooth ride and quiet as a tomb - and about as exciting to drive. Maybe the new "F" model LS will be more sporting. The LS is certainly very conservative looking in the above official Toyota/Lexus photo. It will do battle with the Audi A8, Mercedes S-class, BMW 7-series, the previously mentioned Genesis, and perhaps (in the next 2 years) the new Cadillac RWD Omega-platform flagship.
Nissan has posted the first images of the production 2013 Pathfinder - in this age of social media, Nissan unveiled the Pathfinder on its Facebook page. The new Pathfinder design is very similar to the Pathfinder concept shown at the 2012 North American International Auto Show in Detroit. It will share the platform currently being used on the Infiniti JX, moving the Pathfinder squarely towards a car (crossover) platform for the first time in its history. It is also expected that the new Pathfinder will share the Infiniti JX’s 3.5L 265 Horsepower V6. Pricing and on sale date at dealerships has yet to be announced by Nissan, but the Pathfinder is expected to sticker at about $31000 USD, to keep it competitive with its archrivals, the Honda Pilot, Ford Explorer, and the Chevy Traverse. The official Nissan photo is above.
Jetsgo From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 3095 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2494 times:
I personally am disappointed in the new Pathfinder. The outgoing model is one of the last affordable body on frame SUV's offering a useable third row. Now it's just another suburban grocery getter - which I'm sure will greatly increase sales for Nissan. le sigh.
As for the new LS, it's no S class or 7 series, but it has enough performance that I'd take it if I had the $$$. I've always said it's the only Toyota I'd ever consider.
BMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 16181 posts, RR: 27
Reply 3, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2477 times:
Quoting stasisLAX (Thread starter): At an in-person event in San Francisco last evening (and via Facebook and Twitter), Lexus officially unveiled the 2013 LS sedan.
The side view is okay, but the front of the LS is poorly styled. The GS is a little awkward but passable, but this sort of styling is totally inappropriate for the Lexus flagship. It looks like it's trying too hard when a car like that should come with a more stately, distinguished weight to it while this is too boy racer-ish. Too much Ed Hardy and not enough business suit, and that certainly doesn't suit me, and may not sit well with the sixty something surgeons who actually buy the things.
srbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2358 times:
Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 1):
Oh come on, Nissan! You "minivanized" the Pathfinder! Fail.
Get used to it, as that's the way everyone's going and an iconic brand name is rumored to be next to see some of their models turned into crossovers. Heck, I still can't get over the fact that Lincoln slapped the Town Car name onto a version of the MKT crossover aimed towards the livery market. Station wagons were replaced by minivans, minivans by SUVs (although there still is a demand for minivans, but not in the numbers as 20-25 years ago), and SUVs with crossovers.
To be honest, I didn't even know Nissan still produced the Pathfinder, as I cannot recall the last time I even saw one. I honestly had thought that the Armada had replaced it. If I did see one, I probably mistook it for the Xterra.
Flighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 9167 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2347 times:
Most SUVs are used by commuters as essentially really tall, horrible mileage Priuses. So the more their mechanicals revert to 50MPG Prius mechanicals (the Explorer is over halfway there), the more gasoline there is for everybody else. I think it is great. Inch those roofs down. Cut displacement below 2 liters. The buyers, used to slow accelerating SUVs, do not care.
The Lexus is essentially out of date (but beautiful). The hot car now is A8 and S-class, and for import, really Hyundai is going to replace Lexus. Lexus only ever had what Hyundai has today.
PHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7589 posts, RR: 22
Reply 7, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2328 times:
Quoting srbmod (Reply 5): To be honest, I didn't even know Nissan still produced the Pathfinder, as I cannot recall the last time I even saw one. I honestly had thought that the Armada had replaced it. If I did see one, I probably mistook it for the Xterra.
No offense but saying that the Armada replaced the Pathfinder is like saying the Expedition replaced the Explorer.
To be fair, I've sometimes mistook the Pathfinder for the Xterra. That said, is the Xterra continuing for 2013?
Quoting Jetsgo (Reply 2): I personally am disappointed in the new Pathfinder. The outgoing model is one of the last affordable body on frame SUV's offering a useable third row.
I believe that the Toyota 4Runner will still be around.
"TransEastern! You'll feel like you've never left the ground because we treat you like dirt!" SNL Parady ad circa 1981
That is yet another hideous looking soccer mom ride. Fire these designers and bring back the old Pathfinder designers
Quoting stasisLAX (Thread starter): The LS is certainly very conservative looking in the above official Toyota/Lexus photo.
Conservative is an understatement - it is flat out boring looking. It doesn't even look like a luxury car. I never thought Lexus had as good of a design as BMW or Mercedes or even the Hyundia Genesis. However Lexus has made better looking cars in the past. What is the price tag on this?
GuitrThree From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2063 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2313 times:
Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 1): Oh come on, Nissan! You "minivanized" the Pathfinder! Fail.
Well when the country votes for a President and a party that insists that all cars and trucks meet astronomical CAFE standards in the future you will see most all SUV's give up the body on frame. Removing the heavy frame is a simple start.
That's just life. Sucks? Yes, but's that's life in America now-a-days.
EA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 14068 posts, RR: 61
Reply 11, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2301 times:
Quoting MD-90 (Reply 10): Toyota really screwed up the last redesign of the 4Runner. I notice you don't see anywhere near as many of them on the roads as the previous (and much better looking) generation.
I owned a 2003 (previous-generation) 4Runner, and in 2010 REFUSED to buy the new model, opting to buy a 2007 Lexus GX470 instead as it was an upgrade, yet closely resembled the design of the 4Runner I previously owned and loved.
I'm hopeful that I can find something I like in a few years' time when it's again time to update my ride.
"In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem - government IS the problem." - Ronald Reagan
The LS is a boulevard cruiser, not equipped for 7-series or A8 type of roadhandling. It's an isolation chamber.
And given the current buyer demographics for Lexus, a tomb is probably the next major purchase for LS purchasers.
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety!" B.Franklin
stasisLAX From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3293 posts, RR: 7
Reply 13, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2069 times:
Nissan did a public unveiling of the Pathfinder in New York City yesterday. The new generation Pathfinder is 500 pounds lighter than the previous SUV model, and with a CVT (yikes!) transmission matched with the Nissan's 260 horsepower 3.5 liter V-6 will return 20 MPG city and 26 mpg highway according to the EPA - and now has a (decreased) towing capacity of 5000 lbs. Video of the CUV in action makes it look like a Honda minivan, IMHO......