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User currently onlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12556 posts, RR: 25
Posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2161 times:

http://news.yahoo.com/poll-puts-mitt...ney-deep-end-132647412.html?_esi=1 says:

Quote:

ABC News-Washington Post Poll:
- Obama is seen favorably by 53 percent of American adults and unfavorably by 43 percent.
- 40 percent of Americans view Romney favorably while 49 percent unfavorably
- Romney has been "underwater" (more unfavorable than favorable) in 10 consecutive polls this year
- Romney's favorables have ticked up by 7 percentage points this year
- But in the same time his unfavorable score is up more than double that: 18 points

With regard to independents, Romney may be in trouble because Obama's gained back ground he'd lost:
- In late May Obama fell numerically underwater among independents for the first time since December (45-52 percent favorable-unfavorable).
- Now, Obama is back far in front of Romney in this group, largely because of gains among independent women.
- Among all independents, Obama's favorability rating is now 16 points higher than Romney's (53 percent vs. 37 percent)
- Among independents who are registered to vote it is 46 percent favorable for Obama, 38 percent for Romney

"Mitt Romney is laboring under the lowest personal popularity ratings for a presumptive presidential nominee in midsummer election-year polls back to 1984," according to ABC News Pollster Gary Langer.


That would mean he's doing worse than McCain, Kerry, Gore, Dole, GHWB (2nd run) and Dukakis!

You have to go all the way back to Mondale's run against the very popular Ronald Reagan in 1984 to find someone with lower personal popularity ratings at this time in the race!

Seems Mitt is losing traction as he goes.

Also seems his next real chance to shake things up is with his VP choice.

Seems that too will be a no-win: current speculation says that he will probably pick a mainstream dude that the Tea Party and red meat Republicans will find too liberal and independents will find too boring.

One such analysis: http://news.yahoo.com/romneys-vp-pic...ng-white-guy-104000458.html?_esi=1

Seems his best move would be to find an intelligent and engaging conservative female from a battleground state who has the qualifications to be VP, but I can't think of anyone who ticks all those boxes.


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User currently offlinesrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2134 times:

Mitt is his own worst enemy........

Quoting Revelation (Thread starter):
Seems that too will be a no-win: current speculation says that he will probably pick a mainstream dude that the Tea Party and red meat Republicans will find too liberal and independents will find too boring.

If that happens, that helps Obama even more and quite possibly helps the Libertarian candidate, former New Mexico Governor Gary Johnson (who briefly ran for President as a Republican) who is trying to get his poll numbers high enough to be included in the debates (although more than likely, the debates will continue to exclude third party candidates even though there are those on the ballot in 50 states or are on the ballot in enough states to theoretically win).


User currently offlinecedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 8114 posts, RR: 53
Reply 2, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2131 times:

I know the Jesus-guns-AIPAC crowd will go nuts when it happens, cos they make so much (ugly, unconstructive) noise they think they're actually a majority, but Obama has a second term in the bag. They say never (mis)underestimate the American public, but there's no way Romney can win this.


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User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7908 posts, RR: 51
Reply 3, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2120 times:

In the end, these numbers really don't matter. What matters is the numbers in the battleground states which the President has an edge on. It's a lot closer than people think though, and I looked at the numbers the other day, but I think it was only 4 states that were +2% for the President that could potentially dip down to +% for Romney and he would win the election. Depending on Romney's VP choice, something great Romney does (doubtful,) or a major goof for the President, it may push these states over the edge.

I still think the President will win in November, but it's not as drastic as some of the numbers you posted...



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User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 4, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 2070 times:

A little off topic but why hasn't Romney chosen his VP pick yet? Seems like he's getting a little late into the game here..... The election is less than three months away.


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User currently offlinemt99 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 6594 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 2058 times:
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Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 4):
A little off topic but why hasn't Romney chosen his VP pick yet? Seems like he's getting a little late into the game here..... The election is less than three months away.

I read some news articles that suggested that he could not make announcement because his wife was unavailable. She was watching their tax deduction, horse - sorry   compete in the Olympics.

And, when was the last time a VP was announced without the Presidential Candidates wife by his side?

I think its coming soon, the Obama campaign ruffled some feathers about potential VP picks today. They probably have a feel that is gonna happen soon

http://www.washingtonpost.com/nation...-11e1-89f7-76e23a982d06_story.html



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User currently onlineGuitrThree From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2049 posts, RR: 8
Reply 6, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 2022 times:

Quoting Revelation (Thread starter):
That would mean he's doing worse than McCain, Kerry, Gore, Dole, GHWB (2nd run) and Dukakis!

And all the exit polls had Bush losing to Kerry in 2004. Please move on to something more relevant and provable than a poll lead by two left leaning organizations.
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User currently offlinecasinterest From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4623 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 2012 times:

Quoting GuitrThree (Reply 6):
Quoting Revelation (Thread starter):
That would mean he's doing worse than McCain, Kerry, Gore, Dole, GHWB (2nd run) and Dukakis!

And all the exit polls had Bush losing to Kerry in 2004

But don't you see the correlations to Kerry. Mitt and Kerry both were the moderate choices from Mass .

Quoting GuitrThree (Reply 6):
I for one will believe only one thing. The Election results in November

And of course everyone will believe those. However the point of the issue, is that the GOP did just about as bad a job picking an oponent for Obama as the Democrats did in 2004 against Bush. I don;t think Mitt's popularity is going to get any higher



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User currently onlineJetsgo From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 3083 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 2 days ago) and read 1993 times:

I've said it before, and I'll say it again. It will be Romney's loss, not Obama's win.


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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15743 posts, RR: 27
Reply 9, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 2 days ago) and read 1971 times:

Quoting Jetsgo (Reply 8):
I've said it before, and I'll say it again. It will be Romney's loss, not Obama's win.

I doubt anyone will care. Obama is certainly beatable, but it's far easier to get away with being Jimmy Carter when there's no Reagan waiting in the wings.



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User currently offlinewingman From Seychelles, joined May 1999, 2260 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 2 days ago) and read 1971 times:

Fox News had a poll indicating these results today and last time I checked they were further right than the Falange Espanol. Whatever, at the end of the day what does the choice really come down to? One party blows the national wad on war and the other blows it on poor people. Taxes stay the same and gun rights remain intact. So it just really boils down to whether you prefer insuring more Americans or bombing the fuck out of foreigners.

User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19699 posts, RR: 58
Reply 11, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 2 days ago) and read 1964 times:

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 3):
I still think the President will win in November, but it's not as drastic as some of the numbers you posted...

I think the popular vote will be more impressive than the electoral vote.

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 4):

A little off topic but why hasn't Romney chosen his VP pick yet? Seems like he's getting a little late into the game here..... The election is less than three months away.

McCain announced Palin around Labor Day. That's the typical timeframe. I remember I was at Burning Man when I heard. "McCain picked a woman for VP. A hot woman!" People were very worried about what she might do for the female vote. And then that hot woman started opening her mouth...

And believe it or not, speaking of Mrs. Palin, Mr. Romney's favorability is LOWER than hers. Now, that takes some serious doing!

Quoting casinterest (Reply 7):
And of course everyone will believe those.

I will make a prediction now that --given that Obama wins-- the next "Birther" conspiracy will be the "Election" conspiracy claiming that Obama rigged the election.


User currently onlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12556 posts, RR: 25
Reply 12, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 2 days ago) and read 1959 times:

Quoting mt99 (Reply 5):
I read some news articles that suggested that he could not make announcement because his wife was unavailable. She was watching their tax deduction, horse - sorry compete in the Olympics.

And, when was the last time a VP was announced without the Presidential Candidates wife by his side?

I think its coming soon, the Obama campaign ruffled some feathers about potential VP picks today. They probably have a feel that is gonna happen soon

Interesting how the article ends with:

Quote:

Ann Romney, the candidate’s wife who just returned from watching her horse compete at the Olympic Games in London, added to the suspense Thursday with an email telling backers “I can’t wait” to help introduce “the other half of America’s Comeback Team.”

I didn't know that Romney had publicly positioned himself as the underdog. It wasn't that long ago that he was trying to act all "presidential" to try to make it look like he was/is a natural for the job and had the victory all but wrapped up.

Quoting GuitrThree (Reply 6):
Please move on to something more relevant and provable than a poll lead by two left leaning organizations.

I'm OK with what I put out there, but if it makes you feel better, here's something from the not-left-leaning Fox News:

Quote:

Mitt Romney has had a tough couple of weeks on the campaign trail -- and it shows in the latest Fox News poll. After a barrage of campaign ads, negative news coverage of his overseas trip and ongoing talk about his tax returns, Romney’s favorable rating and standing in the trial ballot have declined. As a result, President Obama has opened his biggest lead since Romney became the presumptive Republican nominee.

The president would take 49 percent of the vote compared to Romney's 40 percent in a head-to-head matchup if the election were held today, the poll found. Last month, Obama had a four percentage-point edge of 45 percent to 41 percent. This marks the second time this year the president has had a lead outside the poll’s margin of sampling error.

Obama’s advantage comes largely from increased support among independents, who now pick him over Romney by 11 percentage points. Some 30 percent of independents are undecided. Last month, Obama had a four-point edge among independents, while Romney had the advantage from April through early June.

There was also an uptick in support for Obama among women, blacks and Democrats.

Ref: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012...ead-grows-as-romney-support-slips/

Quoting casinterest (Reply 7):
However the point of the issue, is that the GOP did just about as bad a job picking an oponent for Obama as the Democrats did in 2004 against Bush. I don;t think Mitt's popularity is going to get any higher


GOPers really haven't gotten past their 'big tent' issue: milque-toast Mitt is too establishment for the rah-rah Tea Party types, and the establishment GOPers still control the flow of money, not the Tea Partiers, and no one emerged from the primaries that would be interesting to the independents.

GOPers are definitely "anybody but Obama" voters, but it seems Mitt is not getting it done with the independents.



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User currently offlinejetblueguy22 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 2798 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 2 days ago) and read 1953 times:
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I think polling is the worst thing to ever happen to political elections. They can be skewed any way you want them. And that goes for both sides. This election for me it is really about who I can't stand less. I'm not an Obama fan at all. I don't agree with him on much and I think he has done a few things wrong. But at the same time when I look at Romney he doesn't look like a president. I can't believe that with all the people in the republican party they couldn't find someone better than this clown. The only real positive I can see with electing Romney is his business experience might bring some confidence in small businesses. But even that can be a crap shoot. Neither are going to be able to do anything with congress. Because even when someone controls it they can't seem to do anything right. It's disappointing to watch as a citizen. We've been in a funk and I hope someone can break it.
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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19699 posts, RR: 58
Reply 14, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 1946 times:

Quoting jetblueguy22 (Reply 13):

I think polling is the worst thing to ever happen to political elections. They can be skewed any way you want them.

Then why does Fox still show Obama winning?

Quoting jetblueguy22 (Reply 13):
I can't believe that with all the people in the republican party they couldn't find someone better than this clown.

I can. The behavior and politics of the GOP of late have been so wildly irrational that they can't find anyone competent to run.


User currently offlineMaverick623 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 5650 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 1878 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 14):

Then why does Fox still show Obama winning?

Reverse psychology?  



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User currently onlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39884 posts, RR: 74
Reply 16, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 1870 times:

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 4):
A little off topic but why hasn't Romney chosen his VP pick yet?

Why should he?

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 4):
Seems like he's getting a little late into the game here.....

No he's not. The VP is chosen at the begining of the convention.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 11):
Mr. Romney's favorability is LOWER than hers. Now, that takes some serious doing!

Romney has been in the spotlight for a much longer time than Sarah Palin.



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User currently offlinescbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12566 posts, RR: 46
Reply 17, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 1855 times:
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Quoting Jetsgo (Reply 8):
It will be Romney's loss,

You can't lose something you don't have.   



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User currently offlinesimonriat From UK - England, joined Jul 2010, 136 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 1836 times:

I pray Romney wins. Haven't had such a laugh since Bush 2.

Can you imagine Romney as president and Sarah Palin as VP? The material that those 2 would produce would be priceless oh and George makes a great return as foreign policy advisor.  


User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10895 posts, RR: 37
Reply 19, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1812 times:

Quoting Revelation (Thread starter):
Seems Mitt is losing traction as he goes.

I am not at all a "fan" of Barack Obama, yet I don't want to see a Mitt for President of the U.S. in the White House.
He seems too much of a war monger. He would hit Iran in no time and create havoc in the whole Middle East.

We don't need more war.

    



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User currently onlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12556 posts, RR: 25
Reply 20, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1799 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 16):
The VP is chosen at the begining of the convention.

Der Wiki says: "On August 29, the day after the Democratic Convention, John McCain introduced Sarah Palin in a speech at Wright State University in Dayton, Ohio.".

Of course the GOP Convention was not at Wright State University in Dayton, Ohio.

It was a case of trying to blunt any momentum BHO got from the Democratic Convention.

I can't think of a case in the modern era where the ticket wasn't known before the convention.

If nothing else, they want to have time to print all the signs and handouts before the convention.

I also think they want to give people time to accept the choice ahead of time. TV shots of stunned, angry and or/depressed convention goers is not what they want to have.

The last time I'm aware of the VP being chosen at the convention was JFK/LBJ. Clearly JFK didn't like LBJ much, but he was a necessary evil, chosen to get votes, not because JFK liked him.



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User currently offlinerandyh3253 From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 67 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 1771 times:

We're 3 months away from the election, and in Presidential politics that's a long time. Anything can still happen from this point. A new Rasmussen Report poll released Thursday actually has Romney up 47%-43%.
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/publ...n/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

Remember a few states are going to decide this for all of us and one thing we can't predict is voter turn out.


User currently offlinecasinterest From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4623 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 1755 times:

Quoting randyh3253 (Reply 21):
We're 3 months away from the election, and in Presidential politics that's a long time. Anything can still happen from this point. A new Rasmussen Report poll released Thursday actually has Romney up 47%-43%.
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/publ...n/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

Remember a few states are going to decide this for all of us and one thing we can't predict is voter turn out

Rasmussen is always a bit conservatively biased. Most pollsters do not like their polling techniques. Another issue when you watch it, is that they have a sliding 3 day window. It means that every day, this poll changes, and it changes a lot based on who they reach. Just this past week they had Obama up by 2.

I go by the ones on Real Clear Politics ,have have the aggregate including Rasmussen.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epo...election_romney_vs_obama-1171.html

Lot more polls for Obama. At this point though it is still early. Will have to wait and see . It is still a long election season, and both candidates can do a lot to advance and detract from themselves. Romney still has some big hurdles, and picking his VP is the highest hurdle.



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User currently offlineLonghornmaniac From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 3298 posts, RR: 44
Reply 23, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 1743 times:

Nate Silver's fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com is probably one of the most comprehensive repositories of poll coverage I've seen. He did very, very well in predicting the 2008 election.

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User currently offlinesw733 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6324 posts, RR: 9
Reply 24, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1725 times:

Quoting simonriat (Reply 18):
Can you imagine Romney as president and Sarah Palin as VP?

But that would never happen. Palin is quite fine not having to do any actual work to be influential, and Romney isn't dumb enough to make the same mistake that McCain did.


User currently onlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12556 posts, RR: 25
Reply 25, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1746 times:

Quoting sw733 (Reply 24):
Romney isn't dumb enough to make the same mistake that McCain did.

Yes, he won't make that exact mistake....

Palin had the positives of being an engaging female much younger than McCain, which gave the ticket balance.

She had the disadvantages of just not being prepared to be on the world stage, and to this day some wonder if she had the capabilities to hold high office.

Not being from a swing state or one with many electoral votes was another negative.

It seems to me the pickings are pretty slim for Romney.

No one out there seems to tick more than one or two boxes, and he needs a good half dozen to change the momentum of the race.

Some say he will go "conservative" (ahem!) and pick someone that is lower key and doesn't bring along much baggage, as opposed to someone who can shake things up a bit.

It's a shame, because Mr Romney is not all that exciting. In fact it has been said that he is "Devoid Of Charm, Offensive And A Wazzock"!  



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User currently offlineLMP737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 26, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1727 times:

My fear is that if Romney does not win the GOP will think they lost becasue he was not "conservative" enough and end up nominating a Santorum or Bachman type of canidate next time around.

User currently offlinecomorin From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4896 posts, RR: 16
Reply 27, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 1726 times:

Quoting Longhornmaniac (Reply 23):
Nate Silver's fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com is probably one of the most comprehensive repositories of poll coverage I've seen. He did very, very well in predicting the 2008 election

  I'm quite an addict of FiveThirtyEight! Nate is quite the master of analyzing data. While it does seem that it's over for Mitt, I m starting to feel sorry for the guy. He may end up with a lot of sympathy votes if the Mitt-bashing continues. But then sympathy is considered a weakness in certain circles...


User currently offlineGEEZER From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 1479 posts, RR: 2
Reply 28, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 1698 times:

Quoting Revelation (Thread starter):

Quote:

ABC News-Washington Post Poll:

Tell me.........did you really expect to hear ABC News say ANYTHING good about Romney ? ( Or anyone else who is "conservative" ? )

All this talk about polls.............I have more things to be concerned about than "polls". Incidentally, I just conducted a "poll"............in reading all the posts on this thread, ( most of which are from people not known as being "conservative" ), I notice quite a few have mentioned.........."I'm not "big" on Obama "; I think that's what Obama needs to be worried about.............I can't count the people who voted for him in 08, say the same thing.

Maybe Mitt will pick George Clooney to be his running mate; ( that ought to make everyone happy )

Why is everyone in such a "hurry" ? Hell, I'm still watching the Olympics ! ( We're doing pretty well too !)

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User currently offlineseb146 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 11654 posts, RR: 15
Reply 29, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 1685 times:

I hate polls. All polls are a bunch of hooey. There is only one poll that counts. The one in November. That is the only one I pay attention to. And so should everyone else.


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User currently offlinesw733 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6324 posts, RR: 9
Reply 30, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 1676 times:

Quoting Revelation (Reply 25):

Not being from a swing state or one with many electoral votes was another negative.

I don't necesarilly think this is important. Cheney was (on paper) from Wyoming, which is the smallest of states, solid Republican and barely any electoral votes. Sure, he was REALLY from Texas, but so was the presidential candidate himself so that didn't really matter.


User currently onlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12556 posts, RR: 25
Reply 31, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 1644 times:

Quoting GEEZER (Reply 28):
Tell me.........did you really expect to hear ABC News say ANYTHING good about Romney ?

Riiight, well, you may want to look at the things Fox News is saying. Just look for the stuff in yellow in #12 above. I won't inflict more pain by copying and pasting it here again.

Quoting jetblueguy22 (Reply 13):
I think polling is the worst thing to ever happen to political elections.

I think the "corporations are people" decision that has fueled the surge of SuperPAC attack ads is far worse.

Now we have the case were Candidate X's SuperPAC can launch an attack, and the candidate can say "it wasn't me, it was them!". It's not even possible to figure out who is funding the attack most of the time.



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User currently offlinetommy767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6584 posts, RR: 8
Reply 32, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 1630 times:

Polls are polls. Gallup has Obama at 47 and Rom at 45. The race is close, don't let these polls throw ya off.

It will come down to the VP pick (convention), debates, and if the economy continues to be in the crapper.



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User currently offlinerandyh3253 From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 67 posts, RR: 0
Reply 33, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 1621 times:

Quoting GEEZER (Reply 28):
I notice quite a few have mentioned.........."I'm not "big" on Obama "; I think that's what Obama needs to be worried about.............I can't count the people who voted for him in 08, say the same thing.

Thats exactly why I mentioned voter turn out in my post, we can not predict that and this go around Re

Quoting tommy767 (Reply 32):
Polls are polls. Gallup has Obama at 47 and Rom at 45. The race is close, don't let these polls throw ya off.

It will come down to the VP pick (convention), debates, and if the economy continues to be in the crapper.

Today Gallup has it all tied up at 46%.
http://www.gallup.com/home.aspx

Agreed the VP, Conventions, debates, and most importantly voter turnout is going to go along way in deciding this thing.


User currently offlinesw733 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6324 posts, RR: 9
Reply 34, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 1591 times:

Quoting tommy767 (Reply 32):
It will come down to the VP pick (convention), debates, and if the economy continues to be in the crapper.

That can pretty much be said for every election since 1960 though


User currently onlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39884 posts, RR: 74
Reply 35, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 1561 times:

Quoting simonriat (Reply 18):
Can you imagine Romney as president and Sarah Palin as VP?
Quoting Revelation (Reply 20):
Der Wiki says: "On August 29, the day after the Democratic Convention, John McCain introduced Sarah Palin in a speech at Wright State University in Dayton, Ohio.".

Obama picked Biden just before the convention began.



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User currently offlineER757 From Cayman Islands, joined May 2005, 2525 posts, RR: 7
Reply 36, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1506 times:

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 3):
In the end, these numbers really don't matter. What matters is the numbers in the battleground states

Exactly - in most states one candidate has a large edge over the other and since it's winner take all in electoral vote, those states are already decided. Examples - Obama has WA, OR, CA in the bag, Romney can count on AZ, ND, WY, AL, MS etc so why even poll anyone in those states?

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 11):
And believe it or not, speaking of Mrs. Palin, Mr. Romney's favorability is LOWER than hers. Now, that takes some serious doing!

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Reply 37, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 1480 times:
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Quoting DocLightning (Reply 14):
Then why does Fox still show Obama winning?

Maybe so they could come up with some story if he by some chance won that he came back, captivated the country, and took Obama out of office. Fox loves to make Obama look bad anyway they could. If the difference is too big in the polls they'll try to make it up somewhere.
Blue



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User currently offlineKen777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 8269 posts, RR: 8
Reply 38, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 1461 times:

Quoting GuitrThree (Reply 6):
I for one will believe only one thing. The Election results in November.

You can't even believe in the November Election. Gore beat Bush, but the Electoral College met later and made Bush President.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 11):
And believe it or not, speaking of Mrs. Palin, Mr. Romney's favorability is LOWER than hers. Now, that takes some serious doing!

So maybe Romney should look at Palin.         

Quoting Superfly (Reply 16):
The VP is chosen at the begining of the convention.

Or when ever the Presidential candidate decides - as long as it is before the convention ends.

It might not hurt Romney to go fast to see if he can slow down the slide.

Quoting Revelation (Reply 25):
She had the disadvantages of just not being prepared to be on the world stage, and to this day some wonder if she had the capabilities to hold high office.

She did OK on the stage when she was a sports broadcaster in Alaska.

Her capabilities delivering speeches live and on TV are still pretty good - even though they do not reach the level of a major senior politician.

In terms of Romney's Favorability falling, that's not a surprise consider Romney's tendency to deflect questions instead of answering them directly.

Romney's response to questions on his economic program to turn things around? To do something "dramatic".

His tax program has been called mathematically impossible.

And he has been hit really hard on hiding those 12 years of tax returns. Especially since it was his own father who set that standard for a Presidential Candidate.

Romney will get a boost from the Convention. But then all the hits from the primaries will be moved into Democrat ads for late September and October.


User currently offlinerandyh3253 From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 67 posts, RR: 0
Reply 39, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 1454 times:

So much for hope and change...
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...w-new-obama-son-of-boss-attack-ad/


User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6654 posts, RR: 11
Reply 40, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 1403 times:

Quoting LMP737 (Reply 26):
My fear is that if Romney does not win the GOP will think they lost becasue he was not "conservative" enough and end up nominating a Santorum or Bachman type of canidate next time around.

And they would end up with another Clinton as president, imagine that !

Quoting seb146 (Reply 29):
I hate polls. All polls are a bunch of hooey. There is only one poll that counts. The one in November. That is the only one I pay attention to. And so should everyone else.

We can agree on the downsides of polls, but you can't dismiss them, they play a big part in the campaign. Candidates will take them into account to change direction, emphasize this or that, etc.



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User currently onlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39884 posts, RR: 74
Reply 41, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 1403 times:

Quoting Aesma (Reply 40):
And they would end up with another Clinton as president, imagine that !


Nope.
It would create a perfect storm that would allow a nut like Santorum or Bachman to win.
If Obama get's a 2nd term, he will inherit the mess he helped create in his 1st. term. By 2016, the voters will get sick & tired of Obama blaming Bush for the bad economy and tax taxes/fines/fees/penalties that will have kicked in from Obamacare and thus a swing to the far-right.
Only a fool like George W. Bush could have created the perfect storm to allow an unqualified, ghetto community organizer like Obama to get elected. Had McCain or Al Gore won in 2000, Obama would have NEVER been elected to the Presidency.
Anyhow, Santorum and Bachman are finished at the national level. It will most likely be someone else that is just as conservative but a much better speaker without skeletons in the closet.



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User currently onlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12556 posts, RR: 25
Reply 42, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 1389 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 35):
Obama picked Biden just before the convention began.

And now we have Ryan, two weeks before the convention...

Quoting randyh3253 (Reply 39):
So much for hope and change...
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...k-ad/

Queue the response: "That came from some PAC that I know nothing about!"

[Edited 2012-08-11 06:38:48]


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User currently offlinescbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12566 posts, RR: 46
Reply 43, posted (2 years 1 month 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 1326 times:
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Stupidity - I just received a nice email from someone called Ann Romney inviting me to "proudly display" a Romney-Ryan bumper sticker. WTF?

Even if I were able to vote, my vote certainly wouldn't go to someone who visits America's alleged best friend and then heaps insult after insult upon them. Not a smart way to win friends and influence people. Judging by the topic of this thread, Mitt needs all the friends he can get.



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User currently onlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39884 posts, RR: 74
Reply 44, posted (2 years 1 month 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 1301 times:

Quoting scbriml (Reply 43):
Even if I were able to vote, my vote certainly wouldn't go to someone who visits America's alleged best friend and then heaps insult after insult upon them. Not a smart way to win friends and influence people. Judging by the topic of this thread, Mitt needs all the friends he can get.

No worries, Obama has the UK vote locked up.



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