stasisLAX From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3266 posts, RR: 6 Posted (9 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2122 times:
Porsche is planning to unveil a station wagon version of the Panamera luxury sedan/hatchback at next month's Paris Motor Show.
No word on whether there will be a wood-clad Autobahn "Country Squire" version. Porsche is rumored to be utilizing the twin-turbocharged 4.0-liter V-8 that powers it's cousin, the Bentley Continental GT, to power the new wagon. A hybrid version of the Panamera wagon is also expected to be shown at the Paris show.
The Porsche Panamera wagon is set to be competition for the Mercedes-Benz CLS wagon. Both the Panamera and CLS extended-roof versions of the sedans are meant more for style than outright hauling/cargo utility. In other words, look at a Cayenne or an M-class if you need lots of cargo room.
The Mercedes-Benz CLS "Shooting Brake" version isn’t sold in the U.S. and it's possible that Porsche may not sell the Panamera wagon here in North America either.
But who ever thought we'd see the day when Porsche would offered CUVs and station wagons?
srbmod From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 16888 posts, RR: 51 Reply 1, posted (9 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2095 times:
I can't wait to hear how Jezza and the boys pan this version of the Panamera.
Quoting stasisLAX (Thread starter): The Mercedes-Benz CLS "Shooting Brake" version isn’t sold in the U.S. and it's possible that Porsche may not sell the Panamera wagon here in North America either.
Considering that the Bentley Continental from which the rumored engine for the Panamera wagon comes from, is subject to the US gas guzzler tax, the only way this version comes to the US is with a V-6.
BMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 14323 posts, RR: 26 Reply 3, posted (9 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 2046 times:
Quoting Polot (Reply 2): What a terrible artist rendition. Have they seen the back of a Porsche recently?
That's what I think too. Definitely needs thinner 911 style lights rather than first gen Cayenne style.
Overall I like the car, maybe even better than the original Panamera. I don't think the original is ugly, but every time I see an Audi A7, I wished the Panamera looked more like that.
Quoting srbmod (Reply 1): Considering that the Bentley Continental from which the rumored engine for the Panamera wagon comes from, is subject to the US gas guzzler tax, the only way this version comes to the US is with a V-6.
According to fueleconomy.gov, the V8 Bentley and 2012 Porsche Panamera Turbo S get almost identical fuel economy ratings (15/24 for the Bentley and 15/23 for the Porsche) with the Panamera weighing about 600 lbs. less than the porcine Bentley. There's no reason to expect the Porsche to do worse than the Continental GT, especially if Porsche uses the eight speed transmission as well. I'd guess that Porsche will offer the V6 as well, and probably the hybrid too for that matter, but there's no reason why they couldn't use the 4 liter V8 in various states of tune to replace the 4.8 L unit.
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Polot From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 1497 posts, RR: 0 Reply 6, posted (9 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 1981 times:
Quoting stasisLAX (Reply 4): Fuel economy and emissions, perhaps?
None of the current Panameras are subject to the gas guzzler tax, not even the Turbo and Turbo S. I don't know why it would be assumed that a V8 version of a wagon variant would suddenly face fuel economy and emission issues. Yes, it will likely be heavier, but it wouldn't be that much bigger. I would expect market size to be a bigger concern for Porsche than engine performance.
I am also unsure as to how the Bentley Continental got involved in this. Everyone is aware that the 2013 model year is the first year that the Continental comes with a V8 right? Before it was V12 only. I'm not sure if the V8 version even has a gas guzzler tax, I can't find any info about that tax on 2013 MY cars.
KiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 5286 posts, RR: 3 Reply 10, posted (9 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 1929 times:
Quoting stasisLAX (Thread starter): Both the Panamera and CLS extended-roof versions of the sedans are meant more for style than outright hauling/cargo utility.
The CLS wagon is actually a pretty impressive load hauler, it has more cargo capacity than the more conventional looking 5 series wagon and A6 Avant.
Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 9): and since a station wagon is ugly by definition
Here I disagree, I generally find the wagon more attractive than the sedans they are based on, 3 & 5 series, A4, A6, C & E Class, Opel Insignia, Holden Commodore, all look better as wagons.
zkojq From New Zealand, joined Sep 2011, 777 posts, RR: 1 Reply 15, posted (9 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 1851 times:
For some reason when seeing the first rendering I thought it looked like a rather nice hearse. The second rendering (posted by Polot) looks very, very good. That said, I'm sure the Porsche purists won't be pleased.
Quoting BMI727 (Reply 3): I don't think the original is ugly, but every time I see an Audi A7, I wished the Panamera looked more like that.
Haha, I think the exact opposite when I see Audi A7s - IMO the overhanging bit on the rear looks horrible.
Dreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 7766 posts, RR: 22 Reply 16, posted (9 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 1845 times:
I'm going to go against the flow here - I think the wagon/break version in the OP is rather good looking - better looking than the sedan version of the Panamera, and better looking than the version Polot dug up in Reply 8.
Honestly, the first rendering looks better than the second one. The one thing that gets me is how some of the more recent wagons, including the Dodge Magnum/Chrysler 300 Touring (Which is rumored to be returning to product mainly so Lancia can have a station wagon.), the roof line slopes down way too early and renders some of the rear seating suitable only for those under 5'8", especially if there is a third row option. I remember at my last job, one of the guys rented a Magnum for a couple of days and some of us were checking it out in the parking lot and I remember sitting in that last row thinking that if I was sitting in that seat on the road and we hit a bump or a pothole, I'm banging my head into the headliner (I'm 6' tall.).
Revelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 10452 posts, RR: 20 Reply 20, posted (9 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 1750 times:
Quoting stasisLAX (Thread starter): No word on whether there will be a wood-clad Autobahn "Country Squire" version.
Too bad - no product lineup is complete without such a model.
BMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 14323 posts, RR: 26 Reply 21, posted (9 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 1726 times:
Quoting zkojq (Reply 15): That said, I'm sure the Porsche purists won't be pleased.
They've not been pleased in quite some time. The period roughly coincides with Porsche's considerable growth and prosperity.
Quoting zkojq (Reply 15): Haha, I think the exact opposite when I see Audi A7s - IMO the overhanging bit on the rear looks horrible
They'd have had to shorten it a bit to keep it a smooth rear end. Mostly I like the slightly more defined angular looks versus the more rounded, bloblike Panamera.
Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 19): I think if the wagon looks like this I'll climb off the fence and become a fan.
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