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Porsche To Unveil Panamera Station Wagon!  
User currently offlinestasisLAX From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3283 posts, RR: 6
Posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 3474 times:

Porsche is planning to unveil a station wagon version of the Panamera luxury sedan/hatchback at next month's Paris Motor Show.

No word on whether there will be a wood-clad Autobahn "Country Squire" version. Porsche is rumored to be utilizing the twin-turbocharged 4.0-liter V-8 that powers it's cousin, the Bentley Continental GT, to power the new wagon. A hybrid version of the Panamera wagon is also expected to be shown at the Paris show.

The Porsche Panamera wagon is set to be competition for the Mercedes-Benz CLS wagon. Both the Panamera and CLS extended-roof versions of the sedans are meant more for style than outright hauling/cargo utility. In other words, look at a Cayenne or an M-class if you need lots of cargo room.

The Mercedes-Benz CLS "Shooting Brake" version isn’t sold in the U.S. and it's possible that Porsche may not sell the Panamera wagon here in North America either.

But who ever thought we'd see the day when Porsche would offered CUVs and station wagons?

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2013 Porsche Panamera Wagon


Source: http://www.caradvice.com.au/184351/p...g-brake-concept-expected-at-paris/

[Edited 2012-08-10 15:59:20]


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User currently offlinesrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 3447 times:

I can't wait to hear how Jezza and the boys pan this version of the Panamera.

Quoting stasisLAX (Thread starter):
The Mercedes-Benz CLS "Shooting Brake" version isn’t sold in the U.S. and it's possible that Porsche may not sell the Panamera wagon here in North America either.

Considering that the Bentley Continental from which the rumored engine for the Panamera wagon comes from, is subject to the US gas guzzler tax, the only way this version comes to the US is with a V-6.


User currently offlinePolot From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 2194 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 3416 times:

What a terrible artist rendition. Have they seen the back of a Porsche recently?

User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15745 posts, RR: 27
Reply 3, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 3398 times:

Quoting Polot (Reply 2):
What a terrible artist rendition. Have they seen the back of a Porsche recently?

That's what I think too. Definitely needs thinner 911 style lights rather than first gen Cayenne style.

Overall I like the car, maybe even better than the original Panamera. I don't think the original is ugly, but every time I see an Audi A7, I wished the Panamera looked more like that.

Quoting srbmod (Reply 1):
Considering that the Bentley Continental from which the rumored engine for the Panamera wagon comes from, is subject to the US gas guzzler tax, the only way this version comes to the US is with a V-6.

According to fueleconomy.gov, the V8 Bentley and 2012 Porsche Panamera Turbo S get almost identical fuel economy ratings (15/24 for the Bentley and 15/23 for the Porsche) with the Panamera weighing about 600 lbs. less than the porcine Bentley. There's no reason to expect the Porsche to do worse than the Continental GT, especially if Porsche uses the eight speed transmission as well. I'd guess that Porsche will offer the V6 as well, and probably the hybrid too for that matter, but there's no reason why they couldn't use the 4 liter V8 in various states of tune to replace the 4.8 L unit.



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User currently offlinestasisLAX From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3283 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 3393 times:

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 3):
there's no reason why they couldn't use the 4 liter V8 in various states of tune to replace the 4.8 L unit.

Fuel economy and emissions, perhaps?



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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15745 posts, RR: 27
Reply 5, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 3387 times:

Quoting stasisLAX (Reply 4):
Fuel economy and emissions, perhaps?

The Bentley Continental is sold over here. I don't see why using a similar powertrain to the Bentley Continental and Audi S8 would pose a problem.



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User currently offlinePolot From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 2194 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 3333 times:

Quoting stasisLAX (Reply 4):
Fuel economy and emissions, perhaps?

None of the current Panameras are subject to the gas guzzler tax, not even the Turbo and Turbo S. I don't know why it would be assumed that a V8 version of a wagon variant would suddenly face fuel economy and emission issues. Yes, it will likely be heavier, but it wouldn't be that much bigger. I would expect market size to be a bigger concern for Porsche than engine performance.

I am also unsure as to how the Bentley Continental got involved in this. Everyone is aware that the 2013 model year is the first year that the Continental comes with a V8 right? Before it was V12 only. I'm not sure if the V8 version even has a gas guzzler tax, I can't find any info about that tax on 2013 MY cars.

[Edited 2012-08-10 20:44:48]

[Edited 2012-08-10 20:45:05]

User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21642 posts, RR: 55
Reply 7, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 3322 times:

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 3):
Overall I like the car, maybe even better than the original Panamera.

I like the concept of a Panamera wagon, as I'm a big wagon fan, but dear god is that thing ugly.   

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User currently offlinePolot From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 2194 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 3320 times:

Quoting Mir (Reply 7):
I like the concept of a Panamera wagon, as I'm a big wagon fan, but dear god is that thing ugly.

Here is another rendering I found:

http://www.diseno-art.com/news_conte...sche-panamera-wagon-gets-rendered/

Much better looking, and a much more realistic look for the taillights/hatch.


User currently offlineGrahamHill From France, joined Mar 2007, 2826 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 3298 times:

Since the Panamara is ugly as hell, and since a station wagon is ugly by definition (bar few exceptions), I'm expecting a really ugly horrible car.


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User currently offlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7420 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 3281 times:

Quoting stasisLAX (Thread starter):
Both the Panamera and CLS extended-roof versions of the sedans are meant more for style than outright hauling/cargo utility.

The CLS wagon is actually a pretty impressive load hauler, it has more cargo capacity than the more conventional looking 5 series wagon and A6 Avant.

Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 9):
and since a station wagon is ugly by definition

Here I disagree, I generally find the wagon more attractive than the sedans they are based on, 3 & 5 series, A4, A6, C & E Class, Opel Insignia, Holden Commodore, all look better as wagons.


User currently offlineMD-90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 8507 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 3270 times:

I didn't think it was possible to make the Panamera even uglier but I underestimated Porsche!

At least the Panamera has that "it's so ugly it's kind of cool" vibe. This is just awkward.


User currently offlineAirPacific747 From Denmark, joined May 2008, 2411 posts, RR: 24
Reply 12, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 3261 times:

I guess I am in the minority here, because I actually like the Panamera. Not sure about how a Porsche station car would work though.

User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15745 posts, RR: 27
Reply 13, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 3261 times:

Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 12):
I guess I am in the minority here, because I actually like the Panamera.

I like it. It isn't the best looking car out there, but the performance makes up for it.

Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 12):
Not sure about how a Porsche station car would work though.

If you need to drive a station wagon, it might as well be a Porsche.



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User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6674 posts, RR: 11
Reply 14, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3229 times:

That's it, I'm giving up on Porsche !

Quoting stasisLAX (Thread starter):
In other words, look at a Cayenne or an M-class if you need lots of cargo room.

I don't think those are really stellar in that department.

I hadn't heard of the CLS wagon either. The CLS is pointless but good looking, the wagon however is horrible.



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User currently offlinezkojq From New Zealand, joined Sep 2011, 1225 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 3203 times:

For some reason when seeing the first rendering I thought it looked like a rather nice hearse. The second rendering (posted by Polot) looks very, very good. That said, I'm sure the Porsche purists won't be pleased.

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 3):
I don't think the original is ugly, but every time I see an Audi A7, I wished the Panamera looked more like that.

Haha, I think the exact opposite when I see Audi A7s - IMO the overhanging bit on the rear looks horrible.

[Edited 2012-08-11 06:30:53]


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User currently offlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8842 posts, RR: 24
Reply 16, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 3197 times:

I'm going to go against the flow here - I think the wagon/break version in the OP is rather good looking - better looking than the sedan version of the Panamera, and better looking than the version Polot dug up in Reply 8.

I am not a fan of the Bubble-Butt look.

[Edited 2012-08-11 06:41:12]


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User currently offlinesrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 3193 times:

I think I've found the best opinion on this:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEfLkDZpvP0

Honestly, the first rendering looks better than the second one. The one thing that gets me is how some of the more recent wagons, including the Dodge Magnum/Chrysler 300 Touring (Which is rumored to be returning to product mainly so Lancia can have a station wagon.), the roof line slopes down way too early and renders some of the rear seating suitable only for those under 5'8", especially if there is a third row option. I remember at my last job, one of the guys rented a Magnum for a couple of days and some of us were checking it out in the parking lot and I remember sitting in that last row thinking that if I was sitting in that seat on the road and we hit a bump or a pothole, I'm banging my head into the headliner (I'm 6' tall.).


User currently offlineMD-90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 8507 posts, RR: 12
Reply 18, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 6 days ago) and read 3151 times:

Quoting Polot (Reply 8):
Much better looking, and a much more realistic look for the taillights/hatch.

I also think the second rendering looks much better. I didn't see it before I commented earlier.


User currently offlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7420 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 3127 times:

Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 12):
I guess I am in the minority here, because I actually like the Panamera.

I think if the wagon looks like this I'll climb off the fence and become a fan.

http://www.diseno-art.com/news_content/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/Porsche-Panamera-Wagon.jpg


User currently onlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12570 posts, RR: 25
Reply 20, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 3102 times:

Quoting stasisLAX (Thread starter):
No word on whether there will be a wood-clad Autobahn "Country Squire" version.

Too bad - no product lineup is complete without such a model.



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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15745 posts, RR: 27
Reply 21, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 3078 times:

Quoting zkojq (Reply 15):
That said, I'm sure the Porsche purists won't be pleased.

They've not been pleased in quite some time. The period roughly coincides with Porsche's considerable growth and prosperity.

Quoting zkojq (Reply 15):
Haha, I think the exact opposite when I see Audi A7s - IMO the overhanging bit on the rear looks horrible

They'd have had to shorten it a bit to keep it a smooth rear end. Mostly I like the slightly more defined angular looks versus the more rounded, bloblike Panamera.

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 19):
I think if the wagon looks like this I'll climb off the fence and become a fan.

Join the club.



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