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Ooops, Anti-semite Finds Out He's A Jew  
User currently offlineoldeuropean From Germany, joined May 2005, 2091 posts, RR: 4
Posted (2 years 1 month 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 3009 times:

In my eyes, he's still an a**hole.

http://www.businessinsider.com/csana...nowledges-jewish-background-2012-8

[Edited 2012-08-15 08:06:05]


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User currently offlinecasinterest From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4626 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (2 years 1 month 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 3005 times:

The irony, it stings.
He's a politician, he'll spin it.



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User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7703 posts, RR: 21
Reply 2, posted (2 years 1 month 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2991 times:
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He is a wiener. But hey, anything that makes him turn on his heels and state regret can only be a good thing.


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User currently offlinedcaviation From Poland, joined Aug 2011, 208 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (2 years 1 month 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2987 times:
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So was JC from his mother's side, and?

"n June Szegedi was forced to acknowledge his heritage, explaining that his grandparents on his mother's side were Jewish, making him Jewish, according to Jewish law"

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/csana...sh-background-2012-8#ixzz23d1KoLQr


So what if he was a Jew from his father side? Would that count?


User currently offlineflipdewaf From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2006, 1572 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (2 years 1 month 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2985 times:
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But he's not a jew   

Quoting RussianJet (Reply 2):
He is a wiener.

Agreed, he does sound like a bit of a douche bag.

Fred


User currently offlineConfuscius From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 3863 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (2 years 1 month 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2975 times:

Quoting RussianJet (Reply 2):
He is a wiener.

Apparently he didn't check his...



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User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7703 posts, RR: 21
Reply 6, posted (2 years 1 month 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2969 times:
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Quoting dcaviation (Reply 3):
So what if he was a Jew from his father side? Would that count?

The reality would be of course that he is of Jewish heritage, but in terms of recognition from the Jewish side, it would not automatically 'make him a Jew'.



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User currently offlinevikkyvik From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 10031 posts, RR: 26
Reply 7, posted (2 years 1 month 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2931 times:
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From http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/...ty-in-hungary-discovers-hes-jewish :

The JTA reports that after talking to Koves, Szegedi decided to plan a trip to Auschwitz. Koves said he apologized "for any comments he had made against the Jewish community" and would like to make the trip to "pay his respects to the Holocaust martyrs."

A little late for that, methinks. I don't know anything about this guy, but if he's truly been preaching anti-semitism, then this all serves him right. A beautiful twist of fate.

Quoting RussianJet (Reply 2):
He is a wiener.

A Hebrew National, in fact.



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User currently offlineaero145 From Iceland, joined Jan 2005, 3071 posts, RR: 18
Reply 8, posted (2 years 1 month 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2919 times:

These kind of discussions get to me in a bad way.

My grandparents were Jews and thus one of my parents was raised in a Jewish household, including all of the Jewish ceremonies young Jewish people experience. Yet, both of my parents are “100% atheist” and so am I. That’s why when my relatives and otherwise any person from Israel…or any one for that matter…says that I’m Jewish because of my heritage, I take it extremely personally and it’s one of the worst offences anyone can make to me. I react the same when somebody alludes that my grandparents were Jewish, and put the fact into a haze, that they were from Germany and that the family has been there for hundreds of years. Darn it they were GERMANS, their religion didn’t take that away from them and they weren’t parts of some Jewish cliques but just like any other German they knew.

Despite the aforementioned things, I respect all religions, including Judaism, and if I were religious, I’d undoubtedly be Jewish – I also respect the Jews’ children’s opinions, who are atheist, that they classify themselves as “atheist Jews”, but that doesn’t mean I agree with them. I however am used to many things, food and traditions which one calls “Jewish traditions”, and I’m proud of that of course. Only saying that I’m Jewish because all or any of my ancestors followed Judaism I find inacceptable.

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To the article:

So the guy is an anti-semite. I must quite say, I am unhappy to hear that and I find his actions not acceptable. I also don’t see any reason in heaven or hell or between, to be anti-semitic!
This doesn’t change the fact that I reacted with a “who cares?” when I read that some of his ancestors were Jewish. It makes no difference at all – if he desires to give anti-semitic statements or at all call himself an anti-semite, it doesn’t make him better…actually rather worse, no matter what his ancestors were.


User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39887 posts, RR: 74
Reply 9, posted (2 years 1 month 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2876 times:

Awesome!

Quoting RussianJet (Reply 2):
He is a wiener.


So is Anthony.
Anthony Wiener that is.




Would be hilarious is David Duke is blood relative of George Duke.



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User currently offlinen229nw From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 1950 posts, RR: 31
Reply 10, posted (2 years 1 month 6 days ago) and read 2867 times:

Don't forget this guy's colleague (a national MP rather than MEP though) in from the same far-right political party, Jobbik, had a genetics company issue a certificate that he was "CERTIFIED FREE OF JEWISH AND GYPSY BLOOD"

For real.

And they have 46 seats out of 386 in the Hungarian Parliament.

It is extremely alarming.

Since he is just as racist about Roma/Gypsies as about Jews, maybe next week the dude will discover that his dad's parents were Gypsies. That would get even funnier...

  

One can dream...



It's people like you what cause unrest!
User currently offlinevikkyvik From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 10031 posts, RR: 26
Reply 11, posted (2 years 1 month 6 days ago) and read 2828 times:
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Quoting aero145 (Reply 8):

Maybe you know this already, but "Jewish" doesn't necessarily refer specifically to the religion (emphasis added):

The Jews....also known as the Jewish people, are a nation and an ethnoreligious group, originating in the Israelites or Hebrews of the Ancient Near East.

Generally, in modern secular usage, Jews include three groups: people who were born to a Jewish family regardless of whether or not they follow the religion; those who have some Jewish ancestral background or lineage (sometimes including those who do not have strictly matrilineal descent); and people without any Jewish ancestral background or lineage who have formally converted to Judaism and therefore are followers of the religion.

From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jew

Regardless, why be offended? I get spoken to in Spanish now and then, despite not being anything close to Mexican/Hispanic, and knowing only about 10 words of Spanish.



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User currently offlineus330 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 3871 posts, RR: 13
Reply 12, posted (2 years 1 month 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2788 times:

Quoting aero145 (Reply 8):
Only saying that I’m Jewish because all or any of my ancestors followed Judaism I find inacceptable.

Being Jewish isn't just about religion. There are plenty of Jews, especially in the U.S. that identify as culturally/ethnically Jewish without actually practicing--Secular Jews. And yes, that does mean that if you convert to another religion, it is possible to be a Jewish Christian or a Jewish Muslim.

You have to recognize that Jews were historically isolated from the other populations, so a unique culture and ethnic identity developed parallel to the religious practices.

Quoting aero145 (Reply 8):
That’s why when my relatives and otherwise any person from Israel…or any one for that matter…says that I’m Jewish because of my heritage, I take it extremely personally and it’s one of the worst offences anyone can make to me. I react the same when somebody alludes that my grandparents were Jewish, and put the fact into a haze, that they were from Germany and that the family has been there for hundreds of years.
Quoting aero145 (Reply 8):
Darn it they were GERMANS, their religion didn’t take that away from them and they weren’t parts of some Jewish cliques but just like any other German they knew.

But did the Germans see them as Germans or as German Jews? Like most Ashkenazi Jews, my family lived in eastern europe for hundreds of years in parts of Poland, Lithuania, Hungary, Russia, and Ukraine. But they were never considered to be Polish, Lithuanian, Hungarian, Russian, Ukrainian, etc by the local populace that was not of Jewish heritage.

Nowadays, as populations become increasingly assimilated, there are plenty of people that hold two ethnic or cultural identities. Plenty of Italian Americans, for example, are proud to have Italian heritage, but they are also proud to be American as well.


User currently onlineDoona From Sweden, joined Feb 2005, 3771 posts, RR: 13
Reply 13, posted (2 years 1 month 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2704 times:

Quoting n229nw (Reply 10):
And they have 46 seats out of 386 in the Hungarian Parliament.

As well as uniforms.

Cheers
Mats



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User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12561 posts, RR: 25
Reply 14, posted (2 years 1 month 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2682 times:

That explains his craving for Chinese food on Christmas!


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User currently offlineTheCol From Canada, joined Jan 2007, 2039 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (2 years 1 month 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2632 times:

Quoting casinterest (Reply 1):

I doubt there is any way he could find his way out of the hole he dug himself into with that crowd. The party he was formerly affiliated with has disowned him completely.

Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 7):
A little late for that, methinks. I don't know anything about this guy, but if he's truly been preaching anti-semitism, then this all serves him right. A beautiful twist of fate.

I disagree. IMHO, if he is truly repentant, he should be given a 2nd chance. Though the issue of trust is another thing altogether.



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User currently offlineKiwiinoz From New Zealand, joined Oct 2005, 2165 posts, RR: 5
Reply 16, posted (2 years 1 month 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2500 times:

Reminds me of this. One of the funniest things that I've seen this year

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2i9iTYe6tEk

Not sure why it is in mirror image


User currently offlinevikkyvik From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 10031 posts, RR: 26
Reply 17, posted (2 years 1 month 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2492 times:
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Quoting TheCol (Reply 15):
I disagree. IMHO, if he is truly repentant, he should be given a 2nd chance. Though the issue of trust is another thing altogether.

I hear you, and I'm not above forgiveness. But it has to be earned over time. When someone suddenly has a 180-degree change of heart over something like this, I'm pretty skeptical of their reasons for such.



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19708 posts, RR: 58
Reply 18, posted (2 years 1 month 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2439 times:

Quoting dcaviation (Reply 3):
So what if he was a Jew from his father side? Would that count?

According to Orthodox Jewish law, (and I think Conservative Jewish law), no. In some Reformed communities, yes, it would still count.

Quoting flipdewaf (Reply 4):
But he's not a jew
Quoting aero145 (Reply 8):
Darn it they were GERMANS, their religion didn%u2019t take that away from them and they weren%u2019t parts of some Jewish cliques but just like any other German they knew.

Appreciated, but if you believe, as (neo-) Nazis do, that being Jewish is an inherent and heritable characteristic, then there is nothing you can ever do to remove your Judaism. Under the Nazis, anyone with a Jewish great-grandparent was a Jew and would be sent to the camps (I think it was 1/8th, but it might have been 1/16; too lazy to look it up). Didn't matter if you didn't know it and it didn't matter if you thought you were Catholic and took Communion every Sunday. If you had Jewish blood in you, you were Jewish according to them, and seeing as how they were the ones doing the killing, I suppose that's what mattered most.

Quoting TheCol (Reply 15):
I disagree. IMHO, if he is truly repentant, he should be given a 2nd chance. Though the issue of trust is another thing altogether.

I'm sorry, but I think that if you have made a choice to judge people based on their birth, you are probably beyond redemption. I was about 4 when I came to the basic realization that punishing people for their parentage is unfair because nobody can control their parentage. I have difficulty trusting people who can't reach that basic realization on their own.

Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 11):
Maybe you know this already, but "Jewish" doesn't necessarily refer specifically to the religion (emphasis added):

And this is a good point. I am also a devout atheist  . I am also Jewish. I could convert to Catholocism or Bhuddism or Islam and I will always be Jewish. It's more than a religion.

Atheist I may be, but I still celebrate most of the Jewish holidays (well, the ones with food, anyway). A lack of belief in God doesn't mean that I'm going to turn down brisket, potato latkes with sour cream and apple sauce, gefilte fish, charoset, and Chanukah gelt. And I don't do the "default" thing and celebrate Christmas and Easter unless invited to such a celebration by someone who does. So whether I like it or not, I'm a Jew, even though I'm an atheist.


User currently offlineQuokkas From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (2 years 1 month 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2400 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 18):
Under the Nazis, anyone with a Jewish great-grandparent was a Jew and would be sent to the camps

Not wishing to minimise the barbarity or horror of what happened but under the Nuremberg Laws;
- Jews were anyone who was descended from three or four Jewish grandparents;

- Jews were also anyone with two Jewish grandparents and who belonged to the Jewish religion, or were married to a Jew as of the date of the adoption of the Laws;

- Mischling First Degree were those with two Jewish grandparents, but who did not belong to the Jewish religion and were not married to a Jew; and

- Mischling Second Degree were people descended from one Jewish grandparent.

Those who suffered the most were Jews and those deemed to be Mischling First Degree.

The Mischlinge were officially excluded from membership in the Nazi Party and all Party organizations (e.g. SA, SS, etc.). Although they were drafted into the Germany Army, they could not attain the rank of officers. They were also barred from the civil service and from certain professions. (Individual Mischlinge were, however, granted exemptions under certain circumstances.) They were not automatically sent to the camps but after 1942 some 10-15,000 were recruited into Organization Todt and many died as a result of the slave-like conditions. During WW2 Mischlinge First Degree who had been incarcerated in concentration camps were sent to the death camps.


User currently offlineDarkSnowyNight From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 1363 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (2 years 1 month 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 2366 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 18):

I'm sorry, but I think that if you have made a choice to judge people based on their birth, you are probably beyond redemption. I was about 4 when I came to the basic realization that punishing people for their parentage is unfair because nobody can control their parentage. I have difficulty trusting people who can't reach that basic realization on their own.

What a load of crap. Human beings have a remarkable ability to evolve, sometimes for the better (e.g. denouncing racism), and sometimes for the worse (becoming a born again or embracing any other fanatical indoctrination).

If I junked out all the relationships I now enjoy with people because of what they used to believe or do, I'd be a pretty lonely guy. FWIW, I'm glad I don't do things your way, on this issue.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 18):

And this is a good point. I am also a devout atheist  . I am also Jewish. I could convert to Catholocism or Bhuddism or Islam and I will always be Jewish. It's more than a religion.

Also crap. I come from pretty much the same demographic, and while I hear this from a lot of friends and family, I'm also seeing a growing number of folks who just don't want any association with the more religious elements (and yes, that's what it is, a religion) of their heritage. From what I see, the primary focus is that there is a not inconsequential amount of devisiveness that results from this. Some folks are ok with this, some not. I have no problem identifying as a non-jew, irrespective of the number of Jewish "part numbers" I carry...

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 18):
A lack of belief in God doesn't mean that I'm going to turn down brisket, potato latkes with sour cream and apple sauce, gefilte fish, charoset, and Chanukah gelt.

Fair enough. But do you think a Catholic cannot do the same? If they're an atheist, they could as easily be a
"Jew" for liking these items then?

Embrace all the heritage you want, but believing in the story, (or at least giving it a Roman style lip service) is essential to actually being a Jew.



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19708 posts, RR: 58
Reply 21, posted (2 years 1 month 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2240 times:

Quoting Quokkas (Reply 19):
Not wishing to minimise the barbarity or horror of what happened but under the Nuremberg Laws;
- Jews were anyone who was descended from three or four Jewish grandparents;

Thanks. I appreciate the accuracy. Still, my point stands. To the Nazis, "Jewishness" was an inherent quality, not simply a religion.

Quoting DarkSnowyNight (Reply 20):
Also crap. I come from pretty much the same demographic, and while I hear this from a lot of friends and family, I'm also seeing a growing number of folks who just don't want any association with the more religious elements (and yes, that's what it is, a religion) of their heritage. From what I see, the primary focus is that there is a not inconsequential amount of devisiveness that results from this. Some folks are ok with this, some not. I have no problem identifying as a non-jew, irrespective of the number of Jewish "part numbers" I carry...

You are welcome to that view. That does not make mine "crap."

Quoting DarkSnowyNight (Reply 20):
Fair enough. But do you think a Catholic cannot do the same? If they're an atheist, they could as easily be a
"Jew" for liking these items then?

That Catholic wasn't raised with it. The Catholic wasn't raised as a significant religious minority not celebrating the default Christian holidays that are celebrated in the U.S.

Quoting DarkSnowyNight (Reply 20):
Embrace all the heritage you want, but believing in the story, (or at least giving it a Roman style lip service) is essential to actually being a Jew.

I'm Ashkenazi. Does that mean I can lose my inbred Ashkenazi genes if I give up the religion?


User currently offlinefridgmus From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 1442 posts, RR: 10
Reply 22, posted (2 years 1 month 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2026 times:
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Hey Szegedi, Mazel Tov..............Idiot!

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 21):
I'm Ashkenazi.

What's an Ashkenazi Doc?

Thanks,

F



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User currently offlineus330 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 3871 posts, RR: 13
Reply 23, posted (2 years 1 month 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 1976 times:

Quoting fridgmus (Reply 22):
What's an Ashkenazi

Ashkenazi is the term used to describe Jews whose family origins are in Germany or Eastern Europe. In contrast to Sephardic Jews, which are Jews that were in either arab or med. lands.


User currently offlineDarkSnowyNight From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 1363 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (2 years 1 month 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1826 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 21):

Quoting DarkSnowyNight (Reply 20):
Also crap. I come from pretty much the same demographic, and while I hear this from a lot of friends and family, I'm also seeing a growing number of folks who just don't want any association with the more religious elements (and yes, that's what it is, a religion) of their heritage. From what I see, the primary focus is that there is a not inconsequential amount of devisiveness that results from this. Some folks are ok with this, some not. I have no problem identifying as a non-jew, irrespective of the number of Jewish "part numbers" I carry...

You are welcome to that view. That does not make mine "crap."

Yeah, you're probably right. I shouldn't have called this one crap. That was overboard. But your other one, I stand by that. I'm actually really surprised Doc, that you don't believe people have the ability to change. I certainly don't fool myself into thinking that all who can will, but to totally write someone off forever? Really?

Like I said, I wouldn't have a lot of friends if I judged then for what they used to be...

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 21):

That Catholic wasn't raised with it. The Catholic wasn't raised as a significant religious minority not celebrating the default Christian holidays that are celebrated in the U.S.

Doesn't matter. You are now what you are now. Whether that is or was a minority or not, you can't sit there say that only Jews have heritage based on religion. I know a lot of ex-Catholics too (and you really would have to call them that since their views would get them excommunicated anyway), and they don't identify as Catholics even though their ethnic heritage is Irish, Italian, etc...

If you're an Ashkenazi, that means you're probably Polish or Russian. That would be your ethnic background. Jewish would be the religion. And listen, I'm not saying you shouldn't celebrate holidays with friends & family and all that, or shouldn't enjoy Jewish (eastern european) food, etc. It's just silly to say you're something you openly don't believe in. Hence why I do not...



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