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Stupid Underage Question-Alcohol Always Expensive?  
User currently offlineAlnessW From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 618 posts, RR: 1
Posted (1 year 11 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3244 times:

Hey folks, bear with me here as I am going to ask a dumb question, coming from underaged kid...

Is alcohol always really expensive?

The reason I ask this is because at most any public place I've been to that serves alcohol (restaurants, hotels, even airlines, trains, etc) charges between $5-$8 for a cocktail, glass of wine, even a beer! I've always thought this seemed pretty steep when you can get a glass of soda, lemonade, iced tea, etc for around $2 at the same venue.

So I ask... Is this typical? Are drinks any cheaper at bars, clubs, casinos, etc?

I'm 17 so obviously I still have a few more years before I can drink, but I'm curious.

Thanks!  

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User currently offlinelewis From Greece, joined Jul 1999, 3617 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (1 year 11 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3229 times:

Quoting AlnessW (Thread starter):
charges between $5-$8 for a cocktail

I have been to bars where you can get a beer for $3 and a regular drink for $4. Cocktails may go a bit higher than that. I don't consider those prices really expensive but it also depends on the type of bar you visit and its location.


User currently offlineflipdewaf From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2006, 1561 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (1 year 11 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3229 times:
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Dunno about over there but a pint here is between £3-4 depending in where you are (real pints mind) which is about $5-7 I suppose. I think it's probably a little cheaper here but you'll pay nearly the same for a soft drink at a pub.

Very different culture over here though, people start drinking at a much earlier age. At 17 I would think most here wouldn't think twice about going and getting some booze (although maybe times have changed).

Fred


User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7787 posts, RR: 52
Reply 3, posted (1 year 11 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3222 times:

4 Lokos are very cheap for what you get... not sure if you drink or not (don't really care either as long as you're responsible) but I can assure you, stay away from those lol.

And if you think it's expensive here, try getting a beer in Norway!   



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User currently offlinenighthawk From UK - Scotland, joined Sep 2001, 5124 posts, RR: 34
Reply 4, posted (1 year 11 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3215 times:

yes, those prices are fairly typical. Clubs tend to be even more expensive. Don't forget alcohol tends to be heavily taxed, whereas soft drinks are not taxed nearly as much.

However, a lot of bars will do promotions, during which the price will be discounted either at a particular time or a particular day. For example some places will do a student night on a Wednesday night, when the bar is usually quiet.



That'll teach you
User currently offlineAlnessW From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 618 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (1 year 11 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3197 times:

Quoting lewis (Reply 1):
I have been to bars where you can get a beer for $3 and a regular drink for $4. Cocktails may go a bit higher than that. I don't consider those prices really expensive but it also depends on the type of bar you visit and its location.

Interesting to know.

Quoting flipdewaf (Reply 2):
Very different culture over here though, people start drinking at a much earlier age. At 17 I would think most here wouldn't think twice about going and getting some booze (although maybe times have changed).

What's the drinking age over there? I always thought 21 seemed too high for the US. (a different topic which will be spared for another thread.)

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 3):
4 Lokos are very cheap for what you get... not sure if you drink or not (don't really care either as long as you're responsible) but I can assure you, stay away from those lol.

Yes, from I've read, I have heard nothing but bad news about Four Lokos!

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 3):
And if you think it's expensive here, try getting a beer in Norway!

Pretty steep, I take it?

Quoting nighthawk (Reply 4):
yes, those prices are fairly typical. Clubs tend to be even more expensive. Don't forget alcohol tends to be heavily taxed

Interesting to know and you make a good point about taxes.

Quoting nighthawk (Reply 4):
whereas soft drinks are not taxed nearly as much.

Here in Oregon, soft drinks are not taxed. (But we do have a can and bottle deposit for many products.)

Quoting nighthawk (Reply 4):
However, a lot of bars will do promotions, during which the price will be discounted either at a particular time or a particular day. For example some places will do a student night on a Wednesday night, when the bar is usually quiet.

Ah, I see.


User currently offlinesrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (1 year 11 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3188 times:

Quoting AlnessW (Thread starter):
Are drinks any cheaper at bars, clubs, casinos, etc?

Actually more expensive (even that "free" drink at a casino while gambling ends up costing more than it would had you gone to bar and bought one). There are exceptions those, as you will have specials like $2 beers and $3 shots, but in general, a bar, a club and a casino bar (if it is not one in which there are bar top video poker/slot machines in which you get comped drinks for a certain bet level) will be expensive. I've spent $10-15 a drink at bars here in Atlanta and in Las Vegas. Same is true with stadiums, arenas, and concert venues. $6-7 for a cup of Bud or $8-9 for a import beer or a craft beer. One of the worst ways to buy beer, wine or liquor is hotel room service. I've seen hotels charge 4 or 5 times what the same bottle would cost in a store. Clubs with VIP sections are just as bad or worse.

You'd be surprised at the markups on beverages in general. I work for a coffee and tea company and accounts pretty much pay for a pot a coffee as soon as the first cup is sold, as a pot of coffee costs them anywhere between 45-60 cents depending on the pack size or the grind amount if using whole bean coffee (1.5 oz, 1.75 oz, 2 oz., 2.25 oz, 2.5 oz, 6 oz) and the coffee blend being used. The typical account charges 79-89 cents for a small coffee (12 oz), 99 cents to $1.09 for a medium (16 oz) and $1.19-1.29 for a large (20 oz). Even after factoring in the cost of sugar, cream, lid for the coffee cup and the stir stick the customer users, the store has paid for that pot of coffee after one cup. Tea is even more profitable. For example, four gallons of tea (a typical amount that restaurants brew at a time) will cost $1-1.15 to brew (depending on if it is unsweetened or sweet tea). Let's say the restaurant uses a 16 oz cup to serve tea in and charges $1.49. Even with free refills, they make a profit as soon as the first glass is sold. They can come close to paying for the entire case of tea off of one batch of tea. That's a lot of profit on beverages, but other areas have much slimmer margins and is where a restaurant can get into the hole.

There's a pretty decent profit to be made with booze as well, but you do have more risks of employee pilferage as they may "forget" to ring up drink orders for friends or they may be a bit too generous with their pours, or they simply pour drinks for themselves. They're charging $8-9 for a beer that costs that much (or maybe a dollar or two more) for a six pack in a grocery store or liquor store.


User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7787 posts, RR: 52
Reply 7, posted (1 year 11 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 3168 times:

Quoting AlnessW (Reply 5):
Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 3):
4 Lokos are very cheap for what you get... not sure if you drink or not (don't really care either as long as you're responsible) but I can assure you, stay away from those lol.

Yes, from I've read, I have heard nothing but bad news about Four Lokos!

Well take it from me too  
Quoting AlnessW (Reply 5):
Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 3):
And if you think it's expensive here, try getting a beer in Norway!

Pretty steep, I take it?

It's about $15 a beer minimum from what I saw. I'm sure the locals know where to find the cheap beer... maybe not



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User currently offlineus330 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 3866 posts, RR: 14
Reply 8, posted (1 year 11 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 3156 times:

Quoting AlnessW (Thread starter):
Are drinks any cheaper at bars, clubs, casinos, etc?

Alcohol tends to be expensive because its heavily taxed. That and because establishments love marking up alcohol. Cost of drinks also varies based on geographical location, simply because those places are charging what the market will bear. In general, clubs will charge the most for alcohol simply because, outside of cover charge, that's their only source of revenue. Hotel bars/restaurants will also typically charge more because that's what hotels do--they markup everything.

W bars, it all depends on what kind of bar you are at, and what time you go.

From least marked up to most marked up, I'd say the following: bottled beer, keg draft, wine, liquor.


User currently offlineAlnessW From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 618 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (1 year 11 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 3143 times:

Quoting srbmod (Reply 6):
Actually more expensive (even that "free" drink at a casino while gambling ends up costing more than it would had you gone to bar and bought one).

Somehow I'm not surprised that casinos would try to give you free drinks...

Quoting srbmod (Reply 6):
One of the worst ways to buy beer, wine or liquor is hotel room service. I've seen hotels charge 4 or 5 times what the same bottle would cost in a store.

Yes, and even more so with hotel room minibars! Enjoy your $4 can of soda to go along with the $9 rum, and the $6 bag of peanuts!  Wow!
Quoting srbmod (Reply 6):
You'd be surprised at the markups on beverages in general.
Quoting srbmod (Reply 6):
That's a lot of profit on beverages, but other areas have much slimmer margins and is where a restaurant can get into the hole.

   Absolutely. I've read that a $2 restaurant soft drink costs them 10-15 cents to make.
Same story for movie popcorn - that large bucket you paid $7.50 for cost them about 15 cents to make!

Thanks for stopping by, srbmod!

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 7):
Well take it from me too

I will!  
Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 7):
It's about $15 a beer minimum from what I saw.

 Wow! You weren't joking!

Quoting us330 (Reply 8):
Alcohol tends to be expensive because its heavily taxed. That and because establishments love marking up alcohol. Cost of drinks also varies based on geographical location, simply because those places are charging what the market will bear. In general, clubs will charge the most for alcohol simply because, outside of cover charge, that's their only source of revenue. Hotel bars/restaurants will also typically charge more because that's what hotels do--they markup everything.

W bars, it all depends on what kind of bar you are at, and what time you go.

All interesting stuff to know, thanks.


User currently onlinerfields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 7511 posts, RR: 32
Reply 10, posted (1 year 11 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 3136 times:

Quoting AlnessW (Thread starter):
Is alcohol always really expensive?

Compared to other non-alcohol drinks available in the same location - alcohol almost always runs 100%-200% higher. And it can hit 1000% higher very easily if you want something special.

Quoting us330 (Reply 8):
Alcohol tends to be expensive because its heavily taxed.

Taxes play a part.

The key element though is that alcohol is the most profitable item in most restaurants, bars, clubs, casinos, etc. Cruise ships make a ton of money on alcohol. All of those businesses exist only to make a profit. Alcohol is the item which the whole establishment rests upon.

The acquisition costs are relatively low and there is no competition once you walk in the door. Very few people will walk out of a place because the alcohol prices are too high.

As a non-drinker (now, not always, no longer physically able to tolerate it) - I find that many higher end restaurants are rather put out that we are not drinking before dinner cocktails, wine with the meal and an after dinner drink. Items that would raise the cost of the meal form $100-150 for two people to $200-$300.

The cruise ships find us to be a low profit couple.


User currently offlineflymia From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7094 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (1 year 11 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 3129 times:

In nice bars and clubs in cities like NYC, Miami, LA and Vegas a drink can cost over $16-$20 while a beer can be over the $10 range. And "bottle service" that bottle of grey goose you can buy for $40 in a store cost $400+ in clubs. It's crazy sometimes. At the same time I can go to other bars that aren't as trendy and get a beer for $3-4 and some places even less.

Buying alcohol at stores isn't too bad, the cheaper beers are very inexpensive and liquor isn't terrible prices either some can be cheap like $15 for a bottle of vodka or the more expensive stuff for $40 or so.



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User currently offlineajd1992 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (1 year 11 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 3108 times:

It's expensive for the simple reason they know people will buy it.

Drinking in a pub/club can be outrageously expensive though. I once spent £60 ($95) and didn't even come home drunk!

In a Hilton hotel I paid £14 for a Long Island Iced Tea and a Corona ($23) but that's because it's in a Hilton. I didn't mind paying as I had just proposed though.  

I'm 20 and even in the 2 years I've been able to drink, alcohol has gone up in price. It's pathetic how expensive it is but I'm going out for a meal, I'm going to drink with it. I drink coke at home - I don't drink beer at home so a beer with my meal is a nice change.

A bottle of Corona is £3.50 ($5.50) in a pub - I can get 4 bottles for £5 ($8) in the local supermarket. Bit annoying but it's the price you pay.

[Edited 2012-08-16 13:34:43]

User currently offlineWestJet747 From Canada, joined Aug 2011, 1830 posts, RR: 10
Reply 13, posted (1 year 11 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3080 times:

Unfortunately you have to wait until you're 21. I always found the U.S. age limit to be unrealistic. Where I'm from the age is 18, and we don't have any more crime or juvenile delinqency than anywhere else.

As for your question: Yes, alcohol really is that expensive. BUT, you need to find yourself a seedy, little underground student bar. Just down the road from my office there is a place across from the university campus called Phil's. Phil's is a magical establishment where beers/drinks/shots are only $2.25 (read: 4 for $9), the urinals have a headrests (I'm not joking...), and there are stripper poles with no (hired) strippers. Every city has a Phil's, so when you're a student on a budget, you'll find your Phil's.

As has already been mentioned, bars often do specials. One of the spots near my university does a "Power Hour" from 9-10 on Thursday nights where everything is $1. Needless to say, it's pretty popular!

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 3):
4 Lokos are very cheap for what you get

We aren't trying to kill the kid!

Quoting AlnessW (Reply 9):
Somehow I'm not surprised that casinos would try to give you free drinks...

I've been to casinos in several countries, and the U.S. is the only one where I ever received a drink on the house. I'm not sure if there are legal reasons behind this or not, but that's just my observation.

Quoting AlnessW (Reply 9):
Same story for movie popcorn

Yep. From what I hear, there is almost zero margin on the actual movie revenue itself, whereas concession brings in a majority, if not all, profits.



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User currently offlinefr8mech From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 5327 posts, RR: 14
Reply 14, posted (1 year 11 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3066 times:

Let's take a bottle of Woodford Reserve Bourbon. 1 Liter costs about $35 bucks, probably cheaper in bulk. There are 21 and 32 shots in the bottle, depending on the pour. The cheapest I've ever had a bourbon mixed cocktail (with Woodford) was $8. That works out to between $168 - $256 revenue per bottle. Take out of that the overhead required to run the facility (it takes money to pour that booze)...and you come up with whatever profit comes off the bottle.

Restaurants need you to drink their booze. They run on very tight margins. They can easily charge a little more for the booze, because, as mentioned, there is no competition once you walk in the door. The higher end food places, that have better margins, tend to charge even more, for the same reason, you can't get booze anywhere else once you get in the door.

Find a bar around a college and get cheaper (both cost and quality) when you come of age.

Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 13):
Where I'm from the age is 18, and we don't have any more crime or juvenile delinqency than anywhere else.

It's not a matter of crime, it's a matter of driving. The concern was that you unleash a new, unrestricted driver on the roadways at 18 and they also were able to get into a bar at the same time. The increase to 21 was supposed to put a little "wisdom" between driving age and drinking age. For the record, I disagree with the notion.

[Edited 2012-08-16 14:30:40]


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User currently offlineAlnessW From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 618 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (1 year 11 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3053 times:

Quoting rfields5421 (Reply 10):
Compared to other non-alcohol drinks available in the same location - alcohol almost always runs 100%-200% higher. And it can hit 1000% higher very easily if you want something special.

Wow!

Quoting rfields5421 (Reply 10):
The key element though is that alcohol is the most profitable item in most restaurants, bars, clubs, casinos, etc. Cruise ships make a ton of money on alcohol. All of those businesses exist only to make a profit. Alcohol is the item which the whole establishment rests upon.

I guess that isn't too surprising.

Quoting rfields5421 (Reply 10):
The acquisition costs are relatively low and there is no competition once you walk in the door. Very few people will walk out of a place because the alcohol prices are too high.

Ah, I see.

Quoting flymia (Reply 11):
In nice bars and clubs in cities like NYC, Miami, LA and Vegas a drink can cost over $16-$20 while a beer can be over the $10 range. And "bottle service" that bottle of grey goose you can buy for $40 in a store cost $400+ in clubs. It's crazy sometimes. At the same time I can go to other bars that aren't as trendy and get a beer for $3-4 and some places even less.

 Wow! Crazy indeed!

Quoting flymia (Reply 11):
Buying alcohol at stores isn't too bad, the cheaper beers are very inexpensive and liquor isn't terrible prices either some can be cheap like $15 for a bottle of vodka or the more expensive stuff for $40 or so.

Interesting to know.

Quoting ajd1992 (Reply 12):
It's expensive for the simple reason they know people will buy it.

Drinking in a pub/club can be outrageously expensive though. I once spent £60 ($95) and didn't even come home drunk!

In a Hilton hotel I paid £14 for a Long Island Iced Tea and a Corona ($23) but that's because it's in a Hilton. I didn't mind paying as I had just proposed though.

That's pretty steep...

Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 13):
Unfortunately you have to wait until you're 21. I always found the U.S. age limit to be unrealistic.

Yes, see my previous comment:

Quoting AlnessW (Reply 5):
I always thought 21 seemed too high for the US. (a different topic which will be spared for another thread.)

  

Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 13):
Where I'm from the age is 18, and we don't have any more crime or juvenile delinqency than anywhere else.

Exactly, hence the 21 rule in the US doesn't make any sense.

Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 13):
BUT, you need to find yourself a seedy, little underground student bar. Just down the road from my office there is a place across from the university campus called Phil's. Phil's is a magical establishment where beers/drinks/shots are only $2.25 (read: 4 for $9), the urinals have a headrests (I'm not joking...), and there are stripper poles with no (hired) strippers. Every city has a Phil's, so when you're a student on a budget, you'll find your Phil's.

Now, what exactly do you mean when you say "student bar?" Do you mean they serve to minors, or to college students who are of legal age?

Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 13):
We aren't trying to kill the kid!

You must've missed these then:

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 3):
but I can assure you, stay away from those
Quoting AlnessW (Reply 5):
Yes, from I've read, I have heard nothing but bad news about Four Lokos!
Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 7):
Well take it from me too

  

Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 13):
I've been to casinos in several countries, and the U.S. is the only one where I ever received a drink on the house. I'm not sure if there are legal reasons behind this or not, but that's just my observation.

Interesting to know.

Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 13):
Yep. From what I hear, there is almost zero margin on the actual movie revenue itself, whereas concession brings in a majority, if not all, profits.

Well, that makes sense!

Quoting fr8mech (Reply 14):
Let's take a bottle of Woodford Reserve Bourbon. 1 Liter costs about $35 bucks, probably cheaper in bulk. There are 21 and 32 shots in the bottle, depending on the pour. The cheapest I've ever had a bourbon mixed cocktail (with Woodford) was $8. That works out to between $168 - $256 revenue per bottle. Take out of that the overhead required to run the facility (it takes money to pour that booze)...and you come up with whatever profit comes off the bottle.

That sounds like a good explanation.

Quoting fr8mech (Reply 14):
Find a bar around a college and get cheaper (both cost and quality) when you come of age.

Good plan.

Quoting fr8mech (Reply 14):
The increase to 21 was supposed to put a little "wisdom" between driving age and drinking age. For the record, I disagree with the notion.

Me too.


User currently offlineWestJet747 From Canada, joined Aug 2011, 1830 posts, RR: 10
Reply 16, posted (1 year 11 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3034 times:

Quoting AlnessW (Reply 15):
Now, what exactly do you mean when you say "student bar?" Do you mean they serve to minors, or to college students who are of legal age?

A student bar is a bar/club/pub/etc that is either on campus, or is an establishment near campus that is frequented by students.

In my Phil's example above, the bar is actually across the street from the campus, but you'd be hard-pressed to find anyone in there who isn't a student, so I refer to it as a student bar. Same goes with the on-campus bar at my university (considering you need a student ID to get in since it is owned by the student's union).

Quoting AlnessW (Reply 15):
You must've missed these then:

Oh not at all. Just confirming how crazy those things are!

Quoting fr8mech (Reply 14):
It's not a matter of crime, it's a matter of driving. The concern was that you unleash a new, unrestricted driver on the roadways at 18 and they also were able to get into a bar at the same time. The increase to 21 was supposed to put a little "wisdom" between driving age and drinking age. For the record, I disagree with the notion.

I totally agree. But I wonder, the politicians must know that the current drinking age does nothing but penalize more young people without actually solving a problem, so why don't they change it?

Quoting fr8mech (Reply 14):
Restaurants need you to drink their booze. They run on very tight margins.



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User currently onlinerfields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 7511 posts, RR: 32
Reply 17, posted (1 year 11 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3007 times:

Quoting AlnessW (Reply 9):
Same story for movie popcorn - that large bucket you paid $7.50 for cost them about 15 cents to make!

Usually the most exensive thing in a popcorn purchase is the container/ bag it is served it. When I ran concessions at a race track, popcorn was the highest profit item, though soda ran a close second.

We didn't serve alcohol.


User currently offlineseb146 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 11475 posts, RR: 15
Reply 18, posted (1 year 11 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2980 times:

Quoting AlnessW (Thread starter):
Is alcohol always really expensive?

Yes. Unless you are a really hot chick. Then drinks are free.



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User currently offlineaerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 7126 posts, RR: 13
Reply 19, posted (1 year 11 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2970 times:

No. Go to Thailand, Philippines or Venezuela if you want it really cheap. a Bucket of your favorite cocktail in a bar will set you back just a few dollars and get you shitfaced. They also proudly display signs "We don't ask for ID"....

I love places like that.


User currently offlinefr8mech From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 5327 posts, RR: 14
Reply 20, posted (1 year 11 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2953 times:

Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 16):
totally agree. But I wonder, the politicians must know that the current drinking age does nothing but penalize more young people without actually solving a problem, so why don't they change it?

Because the folks at MADD and all those other groups are an extremely powerful lobby. Can you imagine the TV against a politician that advocates lowering the drinking age?

Quoting seb146 (Reply 18):
Yes. Unless you are a really hot chick. Then drinks are free.

Ah, so right.



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User currently offlineQuokkas From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (1 year 11 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2923 times:

Quoting AlnessW (Thread starter):
Is alcohol always really expensive?

Depends where you buy it and in which country. In shops and supermarkets selling other products alcohol may be "reasonably" priced. Go to a night club and you can expect a major escalation in price. Hotels charge like wounded bulls. In Casablanca the Sheraton Hotel wanted to charge 55 dirhams for a 500ml bottle of water: you could buy a 2l bottle for 7 dirhams in the shop down the road.

Some countires impose taxes on alcohol depending on its strength with low alcohol beers having a lower rate than wines or spirits. The higher the alcohol content the more tax you pay.

Packaging and snob appeal can also play a part. That generic wine carton may cost less than another wine in a bottle with a fancy label from a "boutique" winery.

I was amazed in South Africa when in Ithala and Cathedral Peak I found the brandy to be cheaper than the dry ginger. The brandy was 6 rands while the dry ginger was 8 rands! Back in Cape Town the prices for brandy were as high as those that I am used to here in Perth.


User currently offlineseb146 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 11475 posts, RR: 15
Reply 22, posted (1 year 11 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2898 times:

Quoting fr8mech (Reply 20):
Can you imagine the TV against a politician that advocates lowering the drinking age?

I have wondered something: What about lowering the drinking age while, at the same time, lowering the drunk driving limit?



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User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7787 posts, RR: 52
Reply 23, posted (1 year 11 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2895 times:

Quoting seb146 (Reply 22):
Quoting fr8mech (Reply 20):
Can you imagine the TV against a politician that advocates lowering the drinking age?

I have wondered something: What about lowering the drinking age while, at the same time, lowering the drunk driving limit?

I think the problem was back in the day they saw the 18-20 year old group had the highest rate of DUIs so they banned it for 20 minus year olds, hence the 21 year old rule. I'm not sure lowering the DUI limit will do much since people will probably DUI anyway, and .08% really isn't that high



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User currently offlinefr8mech From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 5327 posts, RR: 14
Reply 24, posted (1 year 11 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2893 times:

Quoting seb146 (Reply 22):
I have wondered something: What about lowering the drinking age while, at the same time, lowering the drunk driving limit?

I would make it a .04 for 18 - 21 year olds. Of course, I would also make it no tolerance for anyone under 18.



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25 seb146 : I was thinking .05, lowering the age to 19, and also raising fines and penalties. Driving drunk is a horrible thing. Some people, even at .05, have n
26 Mortyman : In the US, beer is cheaper than soda ... Go figure ...
27 Post contains images AlnessW : Thanks for the explanation. One school I looked at even had a full-service bar in one of the student lounges. But of course, 21 and over. Got it. I g
28 CXfirst : You know, my local pub/bar (here in Perth) serves pints at AUD$11 (about US$11.50). I'm the only one of my friends that doesn't complain......... I'm
29 casinterest : In most states, the limits already are lower. A 20 year old in Raleigh got a DUI with a .05 ( .02 is limit under 21) for an accident over the weekend
30 Aeri28 : Varies between bar to bar and club to club. In Waikiki, I go to a bar that has $2 beers between certain hours, or $3 well drinks before certain hours,
31 casinterest : Ouch. I have only paid those rates at a rock concert,
32 srbmod : Hotel sundries shops are another rip-off, and if the hotel does happen to have drink machines on their floors (something that seems to be happening l
33 Post contains images ajd1992 : It is but the Hilton chain is expensive. I didn't really mind paying it (ordinarily I wouldn't be caught dead paying those prices though, might I add
34 WestJet747 : Ah, good point. I guess we'll have to wait and see if any politician down there has the balls to step forward and use Canada/Australia/Europe as an e
35 rfields5421 : While the increase in DUI/ DWI was noticeable - the big reason the under age 21 drinking was reversed was due to a significant increase in the number
36 ManuCH : Try Switzerland: beer is not too expensive (at least for our standards: around $5), but cocktails are on the steep side. You really have to look hard
37 casinterest : You made a compelling arguement up until the last line. Age and maturity are arbitrary and do not float around a magical fixed point.
38 rfields5421 : That is correct. However, when discussing the drinking age, we are not talking about individuals, we are discussing the average tendancies of the vas
39 casinterest : I am not referring to your theory. I was referring to your insult of those that had an opinion that the age should be 21. Pretty low form of argument
40 Post contains images AlnessW : I agree. I think you may be right. Interesting to know, thanks. Most definitely. Really? Not that I've noticed... That is for sure. Here in the US, y
41 okie : In Oklahoma they dropped the drinking age to 18 for a few years. Then raised it back to 21, although there were factors of MADD and other groups to ra
42 Post contains images cmf : All, or at least 10%..... but numbers tend to grow over time
43 Maverick623 : Beer is comprised of 4 ingredients: hops, barley, yeast, and water. A sample orange soda bottle says it has: Carbonated water, citric acid, potassium
44 seb146 : Because, by that time with the drinking age set at 21, most people get the binge drinking out of their system. Lower the age to 18 and I guarantee th
45 Aesma : At your age I was going at student parties where you paid 20€ for entry and it was open bar all night ! With good DJs and exotic dancers. At 6 am I
46 Maverick623 : There could be another reason for that: around 25 is traditionally when people start having more disposable income, and thus can easier afford a cab.
47 AlnessW : And to think that I am putting all of those weird things, most of which I can't pronounce, into my system whenever I crack open a refreshing can of s
48 AKiss20 : Because assuming that the cost of something is simply proportional to the number of ingredients is a gross over-simplification. The cost of ingredien
49 ajd1992 : Maybe so - I mean if you can drink and you can drive the age makes no difference, if you are going to drink and drive then you are going to drink and
50 Post contains images Maverick623 : Reminds me of this: There are actually a few states where it is legal for people 18-21 to consume, but it must be at a private residence and you stil
51 rutankrd : This is also the case in the UK. Between the ages of 5 and 17, it is legally permissible for children to drink alcohol at home or at a friend's house
52 Post contains images ajd1992 : This one irritates me. I got ID'd in Tesco the other day for a 4 pack of Brahma by a kid who looked young enough I could be his dad - and I'm only 20
53 AM744 : Short answer, yes. When you go out to dinner, there is a sizeable difference between wine and no wine. Licenses, taxes and alcohol being alcohol, peo
54 us330 : I think 21 is dumb only for two reasons--you can join the U.S. military and die for your country at 18, and voting eligibility begins at 18. I don't
55 eurowings : Personally, I see 21 as being too high. It's not like people under 21 can't get hold of it in the US. At 16, you can buy beer/wine (only) in a number
56 Post contains images AlnessW : You make some very good points there. Now there's a good idea. Having looked at wine prices at restaurants before, that does not surprise me! You've
57 Aesma : I was watching a documentary about Ricard (a brand of pastis, a very popular alcohol in France, selling more than 130 million litres per year) just th
58 AlnessW : Interesting to know, thanks.
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