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Wearing A Tie/cravate: Do You, Don't You And Why?  
User currently offlinemirrodie From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 7443 posts, RR: 62
Posted (2 years 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 5213 times:
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Worn a neck tie for years, all through grade and high school.


Now running a practice and seeing patients and I have not worn a tie in 10 years. Why? I really don't see the relevance or importance of this totem, a necktie. (And this was before studies suggested that doctors should not wear them to reduce germ transmission risk).


1. So do you wear a tie?


2. Do you feel its necessary to your success in life?


3. If so, why?




Note: I still have a dozen ties to burn or give away if interested!

[Edited 2012-08-17 13:17:29]


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User currently offlinePolot From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 2158 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (2 years 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 5202 times:

Quoting mirrodie (Thread starter):
1. So do you wear a tie?

Nope, only when I am giving a talk or meeting with someone very important. Ties really aren't worn in my profession (chemist) other than that.

Quoting mirrodie (Thread starter):
2. Do you feel its necessary to your success in life?

Nope.

Like you I never really understood the importance of a piece of fabric hanging from your neck. I just find them incredibly annoying and they always seem to get in my way.


User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19516 posts, RR: 58
Reply 2, posted (2 years 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 5200 times:

Quoting mirrodie (Thread starter):


1. So do you wear a tie?


2. Do you feel its necessary to your success in life?


3. If so, why?

In my work, no. 1) My patients are kids and don't really care. 2) Most of my adult patients are dressed in shorts and sandals, etc. 3) A physician's tie is actually a health risk. They have been banned in Australian hospitals (unless it's a bowtie). This is because the tie hangs out in front of the physician and can brush against the patient. A few years ago, a medical student did a very simple study: he swabbed various doctors' ties around his hospital and some very startling and frightening acronyms grew out. MRSA, VRE, MDR-TB, etc. Because we don't tend to wash our ties more than every few months at the dry cleaner's, a tie becomes a fomite, meaning an object that can transmit disease from one patient to the next in a medical setting.

So I wear khakis, a button-down shirt with the top button open, a belt, and glossy leather shoes (easy to clean if I get spat-up/bled/peed/etc. on).

I notice that ties are falling out of favor in a lot of business settings. My husband works for CitiBank and he doesn't wear a tie to work. They're uncomfortable, inconvenient, tend to get caught on things, are a magnet for wayward condiments, and usually go unnoticed.


User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 13986 posts, RR: 62
Reply 3, posted (2 years 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 5192 times:

Normaly only when I have to wear a full suit (funerals, weddings, my girlfriend´s oathtaking ceremony when she became an Irish citizen, job interviews, court appointments etc.). In this case a proper tie with a Windsor knot.
In the Philippines, if I had to attend an occasion like above, I would wear a Barong Tagalog, a thin shirt made of off-white pineapple fibers to be worn above the trousers (black, creased) with a bow tie. Much more comfy in a tropical climate.

I also wear a clip-on (safety) neck tie together with my uniform when I´m on flight duty (white pilot´s shirt with the old British style flight engineer slip-ons (three golden stripes with purple stripes inbetween), plus creased black trousers).
The clip ensures that I wouldn´t strangle myself should the tie get caught in some machinery.

Jan

[Edited 2012-08-17 14:07:18]

[Edited 2012-08-17 14:07:57]

User currently offlinelewis From Greece, joined Jul 1999, 3623 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (2 years 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 5194 times:

Quoting mirrodie (Thread starter):

1. So do you wear a tie?


2. Do you feel its necessary to your success in life?


3. If so, why?

I used to wear a tie back in Europe. Our offices in the US are business casual unless there is a meeting at a very formal client. I do not miss them at all. I have only worn one twice, at the company's Christmas party.

I do not feel it is necessary for success, most of the time people wear them because it is company policy and nothing else. I have to say though, if one decides to wear a tie, slim ties are not the ideal option. In my opinion they look tacky in a professional environment.


User currently offlineGrahamHill From France, joined Mar 2007, 2814 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (2 years 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 5174 times:

Quoting mirrodie (Thread starter):
1. So do you wear a tie?

Only when I wear a suit, which is during weddings, burrials and other important family gatherings.

Quoting mirrodie (Thread starter):
2. Do you feel its necessary to your success in life?

Nope. I work in video games. I can wear shots and t-shirts every day if I want to.

When I meet customers, I usually wear a nice shirt, but that's all. 90% of the time the customers are more badly dressed than I am!



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User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6594 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (2 years 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 5176 times:

I don't like ties, even as a kid I thought about it and concluded they were ridiculous. I own only one that I used for an internship presentation last June (got my degree) and used at job interviews. In fact I'm considering my options between jobs and several of them would be in banks where business casual is only allowed on Fridays (we are 10 years behind the US like often). That's a problem for me because I don't like dressing like that (but could do it for the right amount of money) and it would actually hamper my job (computer/network tech).


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User currently offline3DoorsDown From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 376 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 years 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 5150 times:

I would never dream of wearing a tie. I hate that choking feeling. I have always felt like I was hung in a former life and anything remotely tight around my neck drives me nuts. Well...even more nuts. T shirts and jeans every day at work. Maybe an occasional polo shirt if I have an important meeting.

User currently offlineER757 From Cayman Islands, joined May 2005, 2510 posts, RR: 7
Reply 8, posted (2 years 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 5145 times:

Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 5):
Only when I wear a suit, which is during weddings, burrials and other important family gatherings.

Same here. We used to have to wear one to work every day except "casual Friday" but our company dropped that requirement years ago thankfully. Of course, I now have about 30 ties hanging in my closet of which I've worn maybe three in the past five years.

I've noticed that even at weddings these days, lots of folks dress less formally. I am a bit old school in that regard and still put on a suit for such occasions. I also do some public speaking on behalf of a non-profit organization I volunteer for and when I do, I'll wear a tie and sport jacket. Other than that, I don't wear ties anymore.


User currently offlinesrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (2 years 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 5145 times:

Not as much as I used to years ago when I worked in a grocery store and I had to wear at shirt and tie when I was a cashier and continued to wear them even after moving to other positions in the store (Mainly because I was too cheap to buy the polo shirts that were the other uniform option as they gave you one for free and additional ones you had to buy. I had a bunch of dress shirts I had bought for work, so I saw no need to buy the polo shirts.). Since I left that job over a dozen years ago, I don't wear a shirt and tie on a regular basis. I can count the number of times in the last 18 months I've worn a tie on one hand and have fingers left and all of those times were within a few days of each other.

I've always tried to keep a couple of dress shirts and ties as well as a suit and a sport coat in my closet at all times because you never know when you may have to pull wear them and having to rush out and buy a suit is never fun. I've got a trip coming up and plan on eating at a few nice restaurants so that gives me an excuse to break out the dressier clothes I don't wear as often.

Several years ago, I finally cleaned out my tie rack, as I had so many ties that were looking a bit dated or were ones I had exclusively worn years back to work and were stained and would not have looked presentable with a suit (The advantage of wearing a work apron was that most of the tie was hidden. Meanwhile in the last 18 months, my tie collection has doubled in size because I had to buy a new suit and sport coat and needed ties that best matched them (as well as some of the shirts I bought).

Even crazier is I own one dress shirt with French cuffs but have a box full of cufflinks, most of them dating back to the 1960s, as they were cufflinks my grandfather had as back then, that was the preferred dress shirt for management types. Some will never be worn, as they are either a bit worn or don't suit my tastes (He liked gold-toned ones, while I prefer silver-toned ones.), but will not be thrown away as they are a link to my grandfather. I think I surprised him and my grandmother a number of years back when I asked them one year at Christmas for a French cuff dress shirt so I could have a dress shirt not used for work.


User currently offlineAeri28 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 705 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (2 years 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 5136 times:

When I lived and worked in San Francisco I did. I used to love buying ties and i was known for my flair in them lol.

here in Hawaii, not at all. People look out of place when you see them. You only see them in the court system maybe.


User currently onlineflyingturtle From Switzerland, joined Oct 2011, 2374 posts, RR: 13
Reply 11, posted (2 years 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 5133 times:

Quoting mirrodie (Thread starter):
1. So do you wear a tie?

No. I've had one tie, and it was given to me for the high school graduation. And I never wore it again.

Quoting mirrodie (Thread starter):
2. Do you feel its necessary to your success in life?
Quoting mirrodie (Thread starter):
3. If so, why?

No, because I don't like to work in a job where proper attire is valued higher than my skills. 

I always thought that a tie serves only one purpose, namely as a direction sign to the relevant body part.



David



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User currently offlineAlias1024 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2754 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (2 years 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 5083 times:

I wear it at work. I find the coffee spills blend in much better on the tie than the white pilot shirt. Still, I'd rather get rid of it.


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User currently offlineKen777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 8220 posts, RR: 8
Reply 13, posted (2 years 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 5075 times:

I wore a coat or suit with a tie for years.

I actually enjoyed the coats because it provided more pockets than just a simple shirt. I still wear a blazer when traveling, just for the extra pockets.

For some years I would even weary a tie when flying as it gave me a free upgrade a few times.

These days I have a few simple patterned ties. Red for summer, maroon for winter and one yellow one for summer day time. Only time worn this year was at a funeral for a friend's mother.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 2):
They're uncomfortable, inconvenient, tend to get caught on things, are a magnet for wayward condiments, and usually go unnoticed.

I learned many years ago that the cause of discomfort with a tie is that the collar is too tight. If your shirt collar is around 1" greater than your neck (after it has been washed and dried 3 or more times then the tie can fit easily and isn't a pain - until you spill something on it.


User currently offlineScarletHarlot From Canada, joined Jul 2003, 4673 posts, RR: 56
Reply 14, posted (2 years 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 5051 times:

1. No
2. No
3. Because I'm a girl  



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User currently offlinerwessel From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 2342 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (2 years 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 5031 times:
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Quoting 3DoorsDown (Reply 7):
I would never dream of wearing a tie. I hate that choking feeling. I have always felt like I was hung in a former life and anything remotely tight around my neck drives me nuts. Well...even more nuts.

That means your shirt doesn't fit.


User currently offlinezippyjet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 5478 posts, RR: 12
Reply 16, posted (2 years 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 5025 times:

Quoting mirrodie (Thread starter):

Neckties are the most useless piece of BS out there. They constrict one's breathing and if you work around machinery like at an airport on the ramp or ticket counters there's always the danger of that damn tie getting caught in moving machinery. Our uniform
FL used to mandate wearing a neck tie. One of the positive things about becoming part of the "Swalife" is tie optional. Very few wear them. We can thank the French and the Chinese for coming up with them. Another reason to dislike the French and another strike against China!



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User currently onlineBraybuddy From Ireland, joined Aug 2004, 5678 posts, RR: 32
Reply 17, posted (2 years 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 5009 times:

Only ever wear them for semi-formal or formal occasions although I used to enjoy wearing them more years ago when they were more popular. A shirt and tie can make a man look very smart, but don't take my word for it, ask women!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/chat/t-10229616/index.html

http://thirtymag.com/30-mens-fashion...hat-make-women-take-a-second-look/

An awful lot of heterosexual men don't seem to realise this, otherwise we'd be seeing a lot more of them wearing shirts and ties. A man wearing a well-cut suit, shirt and tie can appear successful and powerful, and shows that he cares about his appearance, all of which can appeal to a woman. In much the same way that a uniform can appeal to a woman (and gay men too), a suit, shirt and tie can act as a uniform of sorts and has an undoubted certain sex appeal.


User currently offlinemelpax From Australia, joined Apr 2005, 1601 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (2 years 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 4971 times:

Only wear one rarely, usually only if I feel like wearing one to work for a change, or if I have an important meeting (job interview, meeting with senior exces, etc). We haven't got an offical dress code where I work (government department), but common sense applies. Most folks wear smart causal, but management & those who are out in the field doing audits are expected to dress professionaly. I normally wear a suit with a dress shirt & cufflinks, much cheaper buying 2-3 good suits a year when the sales are on than buying lots of casual stuff for work.

Though I have been noticing in the past year or so that there seems to be a lot more people wearing the full suit & tie when heading to work on the train in the mornings, A lot of firms here have ditched their casual dress policies, including the casual Fridays & have returned to a full business dress code.




[Edited 2012-08-18 04:30:09]


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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10893 posts, RR: 37
Reply 19, posted (2 years 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 4945 times:

Quoting mirrodie (Thread starter):
Note: I still have a dozen ties to burn or give away if interested!

I hope no Concorde ties will go burned!

 Wow!

I find a tie can look really smart. I like a bow tie also.

A younger Bryan Ferry wearing in a white suit with a bow tie.
http://media-cache0.pinterest.com/up...ad/150659550004524014_7UfRQKKQ.jpg

  



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User currently offlineBraniff747SP From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 2972 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (2 years 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 4923 times:

I'd like to, but I can't. I go to uniform school that does not have a suit and tie uniform. I wish it did... I'm not asking for Eton tails, but I'd rather wear that than the polos I need to wear now.


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User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10679 posts, RR: 9
Reply 21, posted (2 years 5 days ago) and read 4902 times:

Quoting mirrodie (Thread starter):

1. So do you wear a tie?
2. Do you feel its necessary to your success in life?
3. If so, why?

1. Fortunately I dont have to wear a tie in my profession. No one would ever ask a designer to wear a tie, unless meeting the top management of a client, and then not even everywhere. But sometimes I like to wear a tie, like when going to the opera or on a cruise. But only when its not hot.
2. No.
3. In certain jobs you have no choice. If I would wear a tie on a normal meeting people would wonder why. My clients also dont wea tie on a normal business day.

I think its a pain and even ridiculous to wear a tie, or even only a suit when its 30 degrees and more outside like these days in Germany. That said conventions in dress have a good side too. Imagine how many people more would walk around badly dressed!


User currently offlineER757 From Cayman Islands, joined May 2005, 2510 posts, RR: 7
Reply 22, posted (2 years 5 days ago) and read 4901 times:

Quoting ScarletHarlot (Reply 14):
3. Because I'm a girl  

Good one!  

Tell you what - if we ever have another a.nuts Seattle meet, I'll wear one for the occasion. I can use it to wipe off the grease from the fried chicken  


User currently offlineScarletHarlot From Canada, joined Jul 2003, 4673 posts, RR: 56
Reply 23, posted (2 years 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 4877 times:

Quoting ER757 (Reply 22):
Tell you what - if we ever have another a.nuts Seattle meet, I'll wear one for the occasion. I can use it to wipe off the grease from the fried chicken

Love it, Bob! And we can use it to shoo away the yellow jackets too.  



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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31679 posts, RR: 56
Reply 24, posted (2 years 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 4865 times:

Depends on the occassion.
if its not formal...no.



Think of the brighter side!
25 Post contains images WestJet747 : All the time. I love wearing a tie, and will jump at any chance to do so. Unlike many people who feel that ties "choke" them, I've always felt very c
26 zippyjet : If you have a thick beefy neck like myself, ties are the bane of our existance!
27 Braybuddy : Why would the size of your neck make any difference to a properly tied knot?
28 zippyjet : Because I was always told the knot has to be as tight as possible; loose ties looked sloppy. A necktie to me is one of the most frivelous BS accessor
29 AlnessW : Yes, depends on the occasion. I do like wearing ties, but never at school or at my summer job (a lot of guys in our office wear shorts and t-shirts),
30 Braybuddy : What sort of knot were you using? A Windsor knot will hold the tie firmly in place, while still keeping a space between the knot and neck. You can ti
31 Post contains images zippyjet : Doing Iran would be a little bit odd for me as I'm Jewish And Windsor knots were considered di-regeur from the 1980's onward. My beloved dad was a pr
32 comorin : Ties and scarves are also dangerous - my Dad's tie once got caught as he slammed the car door close. Luckily he yelled and the car stopped. Imagine if
33 zippyjet : Excuse me! That is a Zippyjet fashionista trend setter! Actually, during the killer heat, I do wear a wife beater under my white shirts due to perspi
34 Post contains images Braybuddy : Iran has the largest Jewish population in the Middle East, after Israel, of course, so you'd have no problem there! Well if you believe that you can
35 stasisLAX : I wear a tie everyday that I am on-site at a client's location - and dress slacks and a blazer too. As a training consultant, I am paid to provide a p
36 Post contains images WestJet747 : A proper knot should be tight, but with the appropriate slack so that you don't get that choking feeling. Sure it may take a few tries before you get
37 Post contains images comorin : I stand humbled Hopefully you wore your Taco Bell T-shirt under your shirt
38 Post contains images KiwiRob : I wear a suit and tie whenever visiting customers, or attending trade shows. In the office I wear jeans and a t-shirt, in summer I can get away with s
39 GEEZER : In my "profession" I can wear anything I so desire, up to, and including my "undies" and a ball cap; ( always with the "bill" facing forward ) Serious
40 MD11Engineer : Whenever I´m attached to a flight crew and have to work outside Europe, I wear uniform with the old flight engineer´s stripes. The reason is that i
41 Post contains images Revelation : Right, but since they are customers, that should be to your advantage unless you are exceedingly over-dressed. I'm not at all upwardly mobile at this
42 comorin : MD11, you bring up a good point. Dressing up is also a mark of respect to those we meet, socially or in business. It is always better to err on the f
43 MD11Engineer : Well, the parents there often don´t have the money to buy gifts for the kids. My Missus told me that when she was a girl, her parents never had the
44 Post contains images comorin : In the US, we'd call you a real "Mensch"! I have been in India the last few months and have found that the smallest act of kindness is so appreciated
45 B777LRF : I work for a company of around 150K people. The old boss used to wear a tie, and when I started everybody in management did, so I did too. New boss, h
46 Post contains links and images neutrino : I have over ten dozens of them boxed up since the last half dozen years. I started owning and wearing ties in my early military days while transiting
47 AviRaider : I don't wear ties to work but I do wear them with a suit for formal church events, weddings, funerals, etc. I like wearing ties, it makes just about a
48 mirrodie : Absolutely not! But you'll be glad to know I never owned one! Only Concorde cufflinks, seats and other Concorde items. The cufflinks are rather smart
49 lewis : Because we have the choice not to! (Sorry - had to!) Seriously though, I used to wear a tie and a full suit when I worked at the European firm. Worki
50 Ken777 : Generally the problem will be with the collar - not the tie. If your neck is 16"+ you need a collar that is 1" larger than the measurement. People bu
51 Post contains images HAWK21M : I used to struggle with my tie in the earlier days.....took me 15-20 mins to get it right each time.......Over the years its Improved.....
52 Post contains links neutrino : Ah, that is so, but to be pedantic, the genesis of that "uniform" came about way after (a decade or so) the company was founded. Early on in his care
53 Post contains images mariner : I love wearing ties - especially brightly colored ones. I've had upgrades because of my ties. I wear ''em in the tropics - a white shirt, white linen
54 aerorobnz : I wear my work uniform, which is not by choice. I like to dress up for interviews, a special night out and that kind of thing. I avoid weddings so the
55 Post contains images Braybuddy : Looking at your profile I see you're in the 16-20 age group. Isn't it funny that we're at the stage where a teenager who dresses-up is a rebel? Fair
56 MD11Engineer : You should be old enough to remember the mods... Jan
57 Post contains images Braybuddy :
58 daedaeg : Weddings and funerals are the only place you'll see me in a tie. I absolutely hate ties.
59 Post contains images AlnessW : I wish that would happen to me... That's right! I'd say I'm hardly a rebel, but you do make a valid point! Why?
60 DocLightning : If I could go back in time and thwap a few people upside the head...
61 Post contains images MD11Engineer : British youth subculture from the 1960s. Riding scooters, dressing up in urban, stylish stuff and having fights with the rockers (bikies). Dresswise
62 texan : Not as much as I used to, but I still do sometimes. Not in everyday life, but it is helpful in certain situations. It is expected at conferences, whe
63 zippyjet : Anyone remember the fish tie fad from the late 80's? It was so tasteless that I so wanted one.
64 AlnessW : What does that mean?
65 aero145 : No, I don’t wear a tie because I find it uncomfortable, annoying, unnecessary, and plainly hideous! I would only wear a tie when forced to. Even whe
66 Braniff747SP : Let's hope not! On that note I just bought a Concorde tie on eBay. Very nice... I'll add it to my small airline tie collection.
67 Ken777 : Anyone remember the phallic ties sold in New Orleans before Katrina? Hopefully they were all washed out to sea as the flooding receded.
68 neutrino : If not for those Croatian soldiers, the French couldn't have set the trend of the modern necktie and we wouldn't now be summarily neck-tied.
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