Ken777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 8521 posts, RR: 9 Posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 4013 times:
This one I couldn't believe:
The FBI probed a late-night swim in the Sea of Galilee that involved drinking, numerous GOP freshmen lawmakers, top leadership staff – and one nude member of Congress, according to more than a dozen sources, including eyewitnesses.
During a fact-finding congressional trip to the Holy Land last summer, Rep. Kevin Yoder (R-Kan.) took off his clothes and jumped into the sea, joining a number of members, their families and GOP staff during a night out in Israel, the sources told POLITICO.
Other participants, including the daughter of another congressman, swam fully clothed while some
lawmakers partially disrobed. More than 20 people took part in the late-night dip in the sea, according to sources who were participants in the trip.
armitageshanks From UK - England, joined Dec 2003, 3654 posts, RR: 15
Reply 1, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3963 times:
Pretty much a non-story. Its just political smack talking trying to dig up dirt about something just about everyone has done at some point in their life. I don't think you'd really find any tea partiers or liberals that REALLY have a problem with this. I mean WHO CARES? If I were there I would have done it to, because most people probably would.
MD-90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 8508 posts, RR: 12
Reply 3, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3923 times:
Because nudity is inherently sinful and shameful. Oh wait, it's not? You mean fishermen in Jesus' time actually fished in the nude on Lake Galilee? And in the early years of Christianity baptisms were done in the nude as well?
Personally I think so many Americans are so uptight about nudity because they're ashamed of their overweight and unattractive bodies.
Maverick623 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 5801 posts, RR: 7
Reply 8, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3827 times:
Ya gotta love it when politically brainwashed hacks attack the opposite party for the very activities they also partake in. They don't even bother with the "hypocrisy" line anymore. Anything the other side does is evil.
Mir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21975 posts, RR: 55
Reply 9, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 3822 times:
Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 8): Ya gotta love it when politically brainwashed hacks attack the opposite party for the very activities they also partake in.
Not necessarily. Let's say you have no problem with doing Action X, and I say that I am very much opposed to Action X and would never do it. If it comes out in the news that I do in fact do Action X, you would not be wrong in criticizing me for it, despite the fact that you see nothing wrong with doing Action X. You'd be criticizing my hypocrisy, not Action X. And rightfully so.
It's the same when we find out that social conservative Republicans are doing the very things they rail against, even though Democrats might see nothing wrong with doing those things themselves. This just isn't one of those times - the Representative in question doesn't have a record of moral proselytizing, so he's allowed to have too much fun on occasion. It also helps that he's a low-profile guy and that this is the first time most people outside of his state have heard of him - if it were someone like Eric Cantor, the story would probably have more legs.
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LTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13257 posts, RR: 16
Reply 10, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 3757 times:
It is a sure bet that alcohol was involved in this alleged incident.
In this day of social media, opposition seeking anything that can show hyprocritcy or bad behavior, perhaps someone involved or around such an alleged event seeking revenge or sees such acts as wrong, you just can't do this kind of dumb stuff anymore. Now the FBI is going to be distracted from more important criminal acts thay have to investigate this.
Of course the media loves anything with nudity, sex, and dumb behavior by our politicans acting like fools. I wish they would spend a lot more time worrying about the mass corruption of our politicans by corporate and rich lobbyists and there lack of dealing with our serious problems.
Ken777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 8521 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 3661 times:
Quoting Alias1024 (Reply 4): Why do our tax dollars need to be spent investigating skinny dipping?
Maybe the question should be "why are our tax dollars spent on drinking parties/ skinny dipping in Israel?"
Of course I think it is funny. These guys should not have a criminal investigation on their actions, but they should be exposed in public. Well, not that type of exposure. Just ridicule. Especially the guy from Kansas - the Holier Than Thou State.
Again, why? I've never met any human being that has a problem with having a party, and a few drinks, and them going for a swim. Why just because they are republican does it matter? Does any republican denounce going to parties and having a good time?
armitageshanks From UK - England, joined Dec 2003, 3654 posts, RR: 15
Reply 16, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 3510 times:
Quoting Ken777 (Reply 14): When I go on an exciting trip I pay for it myself. I'm not going on the taxpayers dime and on an Official Trip.
Huge difference there. (And I keep my clothes on - but then I'l be 68 on Wednesday.)
Official trip aside, which I agree we shouldn't really pay for, but what should they do shut themselves off in their rooms the second meetings are over? Should we feed them MRE's because anything else would be extravagant? Do you honestly have a problem with them having a little fun? Do we even know if this was a government sponsored party?
Quoting Ken777 (Reply 14): Apparently not to the Republican Leadership in the House. Seems this was well know by the GOP leadership last year
So what? I wouldn't have given it a second thought as long as no crime was committed.
stasisLAX From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3289 posts, RR: 6
Reply 17, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 3505 times:
Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 5): Wait what is the issue here? That they were naked? Who cares
That United States federal elected officials on a American taxpayer paid junket to another nation acted in a manner unbecoming of a representative of the United States government and her citizens? Drunk and skinny-dipping? Regardless of the political party that these Congressmen belonged to, this is an embarassment to all Americans.
What the hell were these idiots thinking? Or, maybe that's the problem. They weren't thinking.
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety!" B.Franklin
Oh grow up. Last time I checked, I was an American, and I think this story is nothing more than politically charged bullshit. Funny how the incident happened over a year ago, and it comes to light right at election time.
The only thing I'm embarrassed about is that many of my fellow Americans actually think this is a deal, let alone a big one.
Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 10): Now the FBI is going to be distracted from more important criminal acts thay have to investigate this.
No they aren't. An agent interviewed a staffer, and nothing else was done about it.
Quoting Ken777 (Reply 11): "why are our tax dollars spent on drinking parties/ skinny dipping in Israel?"
It was a privately funded trip.
The American Israel Educational Foundation, a group related to AIPAC, the prominent pro-Israel advocacy group, sponsored the trip
Oh, yes there are. The right wing are a bunch of prudes. Remember the "wardrobe malfunction" at the Super Bowl? No one cared except the far right wing. They threw a huge fit and that is why nudity is outlawed in this country. Who cares if someone is sunning themselves in their own back yard? None of my business how comfortable people are without clothes. But, the far right-wing who are VERY vocal DEMAND that we all be ashamed.