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Newsweek Cover: 'Hit The Road Barack'  
User currently offlinebjorn14 From Norway, joined Feb 2010, 3686 posts, RR: 2
Posted (2 years 4 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 3980 times:

This is no parody...Newsweek's cover this shows a photo of Barack Obama with the headline being 'Hit the Road, Barack. The article is written by Niall Ferguson, who is a Professor of History at Harvard.

Has President Obama lost the Main Stream Media or just CYA by the media to look 'balanced.'.

http://www.businessinsider.com/newsweek-cover-obama-must-go-2012-8


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User currently offlinecasinterest From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4792 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (2 years 4 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3962 times:

Quoting bjorn14 (Thread starter):
Posted Mon Aug 20 2012 09:23:00 your local time (13 minutes 47 secs ago) and read 12 times:

This is no parody...Newsweek's cover this shows a photo of Barack Obama with the headline being 'Hit the Road, Barack. The article is written by Niall Ferguson, who is a Professor of History at Harvard.

It's written by a guy that was an ADVISOR for the McCain Campaign in 2008. Hardly far left wing.

Newsweek is just being balanced after calling Romney a "wimp" last week.

It's nothing more of an article than the basic running premise of the GOP." Economy and Heathcare are failed promises" , never mind the fact that it offers no better solution from the Right wing.



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User currently offlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8965 posts, RR: 24
Reply 2, posted (2 years 4 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3951 times:

Quoting casinterest (Reply 1):
Newsweek is just being balanced after calling Romney a "wimp" last week.

Pleasant surprise from Newsweek. Good for them.

Quoting casinterest (Reply 1):
Economy and Heathcare are failed promises" , never mind the fact that it offers no better solution from the Right wing.


Sometimes pictures are worth a thousand words... The funny thing is that people are talking about the Ryan Budget, which was done months ago, when Ryan wasn't even thinking about being on the presidential ticket. An eventual Romney/Ryan plan might certainly borrow lots from it, but imagine that - some Congresscritter had more of a plan for the country than the President and entire White House staff.




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User currently offlinecasinterest From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4792 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (2 years 4 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3928 times:

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 2):

Sometimes pictures are worth a thousand words... The funny thing is that people are talking about the Ryan Budget, which was done months ago, when Ryan wasn't even thinking about being on the presidential ticket. An eventual Romney/Ryan plan might certainly borrow lots from it, but imagine that - some Congresscritter had more of a plan for the country than the President and entire White House staff.

Let me summarize Ryan's budget for you.
Rich folks: Tax Breaks, and Less Medicare
Middle Class : No Tax Breaks, maybe even a bit more in taxesm and Less Medicare and Social Security
Poor folks : More taxes, less heathcare, less social security.
Balanced Budget: Not anywhere in the foreseeable future.

My kid get points for putting crayons on paper, but I would hardly excpect anyone else to see it as a masterpiece.
Same with Ryan's budget. It is a rich get richer, and poor get poorer budget.



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User currently offlinebjorn14 From Norway, joined Feb 2010, 3686 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (2 years 4 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3907 times:

Quoting casinterest (Reply 3):
casinterest

Oh, Obama has done so much better. In the last 2 years the Democrat-crontrolled Senate has defeated Obama's budget 196-0. The House defeated his 2012 Budget, 414-0

Spin it however you want but to the casual observer it makes Obama look very bad.

[Edited 2012-08-20 07:30:01]


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User currently offlinecasinterest From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4792 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (2 years 4 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3897 times:

Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 4):
Oh, Obama has done so much better. In the last 2 years the Democrat-crontrolled Senate has defeated Obama's budget 196-0. The House defeated his 2012 Budget, 414-0

Spin it however you want but to the casual observer it makes Obama look very bad.

Perhaps it was because the Obama budget was more honest with the spending and revenue, than a bunch of crooks seeking reelection want to be.



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User currently offlineGEEZER From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 1479 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (2 years 4 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3876 times:

Quoting casinterest (Reply 3):
My kid get points for putting crayons on paper, but I would hardly excpect anyone else to see it as a masterpiece.
Same with Ryan's budget. It is a rich get richer, and poor get poorer budget.

casinterest; One would almost get the idea that you don't "favor" Paul Ryan's proposed plan; may I ask you 3 things ?

!. Have you even read it ?
2. How does it affect YOU ?
3. Do YOU have a better idea ?


Now.......

!. I have read it, and I have had people far smarter than myself explain all the derails
2. It affects me directly, because I happen to be ON Medicare
3. Yeah, I have a marvelous idea ! I plan to vote for Paul & Mitt !

Charley



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User currently offlineus330 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 3877 posts, RR: 14
Reply 7, posted (2 years 4 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3864 times:

Quoting bjorn14 (Thread starter):
Has President Obama lost the Main Stream Media or just CYA by the media to look 'balanced.'

I don't think its either. Newsweek is having major financial issues (like a lot of print newsmedia), and there were talks that it was going to go online only. So why not pick the most provocative piece from the issue in question and make it your cover so it the issue will sell better at the newstand.


User currently offlinecasinterest From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4792 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (2 years 4 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3849 times:

Quoting GEEZER (Reply 6):
!. Have you even read it ?

Yep

Quoting GEEZER (Reply 6):
2. How does it affect YOU ?

I would be better off, but maybe I am not a self centered and hell bent on this country's destruction.

Quoting GEEZER (Reply 6):
3. Do YOU have a better idea ?

I have many better ideas.

Quoting GEEZER (Reply 6):
3. Yeah, I have a marvelous idea ! I plan to vote for Paul & Mitt !

Good for you. Perhaps you think that it is better for the wealthy to keep all the money while cutting needed services, and not doing anyhting to cut the deficit, other than to pray to the almighty for growth,



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User currently offlineslider From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6924 posts, RR: 34
Reply 9, posted (2 years 4 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3851 times:

Quoting casinterest (Reply 3):
Let me summarize Ryan's budget for you.
Rich folks: Tax Breaks, and Less Medicare
Middle Class : No Tax Breaks, maybe even a bit more in taxesm and Less Medicare and Social Security
Poor folks : More taxes, less heathcare, less social security.
Balanced Budget: Not anywhere in the foreseeable future.

STOP with the demagoguery and outright lies.

But I'll give you credit, you parrot the party line to a T. Maybe you can replace the mouthbreather Debbie W-S as DNC chair since she's a sinking ship too.


User currently offlinemt99 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 6676 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (2 years 4 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3839 times:
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Quoting slider (Reply 9):

STOP with the demagoguery and outright lies.

But I'll give you credit, you parrot the party line to a T. Maybe you can replace the mouthbreather Debbie W-S as DNC chair since she's a sinking ship too.

Those liars at Fox News!!

Fact Check: Ryan budget plan doesn't actually slash the budget

Government spending increases almost every year over the next decade.
Tax and other revenue rises year after year.
The 10-year deficit is still $3 trillion.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012...plan-doesnt-actually-slash-budget/

[Edited 2012-08-20 08:20:57]


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User currently offlinecasinterest From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4792 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (2 years 4 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3826 times:



Quoting slider (Reply 9):
STOP with the demagoguery and outright lies.

But I'll give you credit, you parrot the party line to a T. Maybe you can replace the mouthbreather Debbie W-S as DNC chair since she's a sinking ship too.

Lies?
Where> The Congressional Budget office already backed me up. Maybe you are to busy finding low brough instults to read anything other than the Conservative roundhouse's self appreciating backslapping on the budgets

[Edited 2012-08-20 08:28:35]


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User currently offlineFlighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 8769 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (2 years 4 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3811 times:

Quoting casinterest (Reply 3):
It is a rich get richer, and poor get poorer budget.

The alternative to budget discipline is squalor. People who refuse to do math are the ones who end up poor and asking "why me." The median American taxpayer is like a 450lb man raiding the cookie jar over and over, then crying about his tummy ache. I do feel pity for many people, just not for the average American. Eventually it is time to grow up and accept adult responsibilities, including paying taxes and not relying on "rich" mythology to just take care of everything down the road.


User currently offlinecasinterest From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4792 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (2 years 4 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3802 times:

Quoting Flighty (Reply 12):
The median American taxpayer is like a 450lb man raiding the cookie jar over and over, then crying about his tummy ache. I

It isn't the taxpayer. It is Congress.



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User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21521 posts, RR: 53
Reply 14, posted (2 years 4 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3802 times:

Quoting Flighty (Reply 12):
Quoting casinterest (Reply 3):
It is a rich get richer, and poor get poorer budget.

The alternative to budget discipline is squalor.

Please remind me: What do tax cuts for the rich have to do with "budget discipline", again...?


User currently offlinekngkyle From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 414 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (2 years 4 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3791 times:
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Quoting Flighty (Reply 12):
Eventually it is time to grow up and accept adult responsibilities, including paying taxes and not relying on "rich" mythology to just take care of everything down the road.

But taxes on the rich are at their lowest level in decades, and when looking at effective tax rates many rich pay a lower percentage than the middle class because they can take advantage of all the tax loopholes and tax havens. The rich are getting richer, the middle class are treading water. I don't understand why there is so much sympathy for the rich when they are doing great.


User currently offlineFlighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 8769 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (2 years 4 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3787 times:

Quoting Klaus (Reply 14):
What do tax cuts for the rich have to do with "budget discipline", again...?

My take on the Ryan budget is that it begins to control spending. Tax policy is subordinate to that. It is eroding next year's tax spike that is referred to as "tax cuts for the rich." But mainly this is a discussion about spending. No tax policy could meaningfully alter the path created by Obama style limitlesss spending. Coupled with no economic growth, we have no prospect to pay back our debt without harmful inflation. Overall this is a poorer and worse path than a prudent policy would have given us. The main people to suffer from Obama's lack of discipline will be the poor and middle class. Somewhat sophisticated investors like me will be ok.


User currently offlinecasinterest From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4792 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (2 years 4 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3721 times:

Quoting Flighty (Reply 16):
My take on the Ryan budget is that it begins to control spending

By increasing defense spending, and cutting "elsewhere", and then fails to specifically targer loopholes and programs that would be cut.

The revenue would go down under his tax cuts, unless his loopholes pinhole the tax payers somehow, and guess who that will be.?
Let me give you a clue, probably not his millionaire donors and Nascar team owning friends, or folks that can afford 2 to 3 Caddilacs.



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User currently offlinebjorn14 From Norway, joined Feb 2010, 3686 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (2 years 4 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3718 times:

Quoting mt99 (Reply 10):
Government spending increases almost every year over the next decade.

Classic Democrat meme if it doesn't grow as fast as they want then it's a cut. If your statement is true then the Democrats are once again lying that the Republicans are cutting the budget.

Quoting mt99 (Reply 10):
The 10-year deficit is still $3 trillion.

Beats $6 trillion in just 4 years.



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User currently offlinetugger From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 5787 posts, RR: 10
Reply 19, posted (2 years 4 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3700 times:

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 2):
the Ryan Budget,

Why is anyone really excited about the "Ryan Budget"? It can't pass in its present form, even his own party shunned it in it final draft. It doesn't address the budget problem in any real way. It cuts some $100 billion a year from a budget that is $1 Trillion(!!!) a year out of whack, it count/depends on spending decisions to be made ten years from now!

I want a plan, I want a budget, but it needs to be one that actually addresses the problems, that shrinks expenses (yes, including defense/military), increases tax revenues to reduce the debt, and that can be passed consistently year after year by the Congress (you know that place that is made up of representatives from every state in the nation that aren't all from one party?). It can't be just "one party" or the others vision, it has to be workable between all those involved.

Is it a start, sure it could be.... IF people are open to compromise.... but are they?

Tugg



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User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11572 posts, RR: 52
Reply 20, posted (2 years 4 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 3657 times:

Looks like this Newsweek article may be entirely made up.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...l-ferguson-newsweek_n_1810136.html



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User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21521 posts, RR: 53
Reply 21, posted (2 years 4 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 3654 times:

Quoting D L X (Reply 20):
Looks like this Newsweek article may be entirely made up.

I was particularly shocked to read this:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...l-ferguson-newsweek_n_1810136.html

Quoting Huffington Post:
UPDATE: 12:56 p.m. -- Newsweek did not fact-check Ferguson's cover story, according to Dylan Byers, a media reporter at Politico. Byers wrote on Twitter that a Newsweek spokesman said the magazine does not have a fact-checking department, and that "we, like other news organisations today, rely on our writers to submit factually accurate material."

This automatically means that Newsweek has no claim whatsoever to being called a reputable newspaper any more.

I'm stunned. Newsweek had a relevant name once. Seems like it's degenerated to an amateur blog which just happens to be printed on paper.


User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11572 posts, RR: 52
Reply 22, posted (2 years 4 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 3643 times:

Quoting Klaus (Reply 21):
Quoting Huffington Post:
UPDATE: 12:56 p.m. -- Newsweek did not fact-check Ferguson's cover story, according to Dylan Byers, a media reporter at Politico. Byers wrote on Twitter that a Newsweek spokesman said the magazine does not have a fact-checking department, and that "we, like other news organisations today, rely on our writers to submit factually accurate material."

This automatically means that Newsweek has no claim whatsoever to being called a reputable newspaper any more.

Yup.

Couldn't have said it more succinctly that you just did. The only thing that separates any Joe Schmoe's blog from a reputable newspaper in the digital era is a fact-checking editorial department. Newsweek is now just a blog.



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User currently offlinetugger From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 5787 posts, RR: 10
Reply 23, posted (2 years 4 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3631 times:

Quoting Klaus (Reply 21):
This automatically means that Newsweek has no claim whatsoever to being called a reputable newspaper any more.

I'm stunned. Newsweek had a relevant name once. Seems like it's degenerated to an amateur blog which just happens to be printed on paper.

Yes, Newsweek switched over many years ago to become more of a tabloid than a good "news magazine". It was a real shame. For awhile it was Time and Newsweek competing to be the best "news magazine. But the modern market forces derailed that sadly.

Tugg



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User currently offlinemt99 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 6676 posts, RR: 6
Reply 24, posted (2 years 4 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3601 times:
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Quoting Klaus (Reply 21):
the magazine does not have a fact-checking department, and that "we, like other news organisations today, rely on our writers to submit factually accurate material."
Quoting Klaus (Reply 21):
I'm stunned. Newsweek had a relevant name once. Seems like it's degenerated to an amateur blog which just happens to be printed on paper.

This in interesting book. He talks about his time pretending to be an "expert" on different news outlets

http://www.amazon.com/Trust-Me-Lying...fessions-Manipulator/dp/159184553X



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25 DarkSnowyNight : Yes. It's called not voting for GOP candidates until that party can demonstrate some social, economic, and neighborly (WRT int'l relations) responsib
26 Post contains links texan : Gosh, it seems like the article is riddled with errors and lies. Wish I could say I am shocked, but it is Ferguson's M.O. http://nymag.com/daily/intel
27 jetstar : Which is exactly the reason I dropped my subscription to Newsweek I subscribed for many years because it was a new magazine, but then they totally ch
28 us330 : This is a bit of an aside, but Ferguson always struck me as a Krugman type for the right--people with strong academic pedigrees who disingenuously us
29 zippyjet : I wonder if President Obama is travelling down that lousy road following in Jimmy Carter's shoes. At least so far, Carter was worse in my opinion tha
30 Mir : To conservatives, he was the worst president since Jimmy Carter the moment he got elected. -Mir
31 D L X : Wrong. To some conservatives, he was Jimmy Carter the day he was born. In Kenya. Let's call it like it is for a change - more than 90% of the mudslin
32 Superfly : At least Jimmy Carter loved America. Can't say the same about Obama.
33 casinterest : What a strong fact filled rant coming from the person living in Thailand.[Edited 2012-08-24 11:20:38]
34 Superfly : At least you acknowledge that it is fact.[Edited 2012-08-24 11:47:59]
35 casinterest : Fixed that for you, but come on, put up your loveometer test results, because i am sure you have something resemling more than a BS statement. Right?
36 Superfly : Never heard of such a test and I'm not sure how that relates to an article written by Niall Ferguson.
37 casinterest : 3 posts in and you already forgot what you were talking about?
38 2707200X : Okay so why doesn't Obama love America? And do you think Mitt Romney is a better American than Obama because Mitt was to much of a coward to serve hi
39 Superfly : I was simply responding to a comment by Zippyjet and you flew off the handle and making innuendos about where I live. I'd like to keep this on topic.
40 casinterest : I do. I have a problem with folks that pass about BS without factual support. You agreeing with Niall pretty much keeps this on topic.
41 Superfly : Tough. Deal with it. You're always going to hear different opinions from people you don't agree with. That's life. Comes up in every thread about thi
42 casinterest : So you insult the POTUS, and then act all insulted. How sad or convienient for you? Your act gets just as old. I
43 2707200X : Because Obama did not run from his country unlike Romney and more importantly such a statement implies conservatives have lost the argument a long ti
44 Superfly : Well of course. He is a public figure. No need to get angry at me for not sharing your opinion. Plus insulting other members is in violation of the f
45 Superfly : Don't know what to tell you on that. I'm not a conservative and I can't speak for conservatives either.
46 casinterest : I didn't insult you. Just asked for facts, which you seem to lack the last few days. If you take that as an insult , so sorry.
47 Superfly : People get sick & tired of arguing. In threads where me & others take the time out to give you "facts", it ends up in a 200 post thread that
48 zippyjet : Carter put up a good act. He came off as a good old boy. Secret Service agents mentioned Carter's desire to carry his own luggage and other normal ac
49 Superfly : ...and that is still true today. George W. Bush created the perfect storm that allowed Obama to get in to office. If he is elected and turns out to b
50 aa757first : Both Romney and Obama can be easily criticized without stooping to racial or religious ad hominem.[Edited 2012-08-27 14:47:05 by srbmod]
51 GEEZER : Slider.........you mean Debbie Blabbermouth Schultz ? She was on TV last week doing her "parrot impression" and Wolfie Blitzer called her out, saying
52 jpetekyxmd80 : What I don't understand is how this comes from someone who has time and time again posted opinion pieces or blatantly false conservative wet dreams t
53 DarkSnowyNight : Hello Charles, A tax break is frequently referred to as a handout/entitlement because that's exactly what it is. It doesn't really matter whether or
54 windy95 : Getting to keep your own money is welfare? Partly true. Social programs would be welfare and I should not be taxed for them. As for the infrastructur
55 casinterest : Every single dollar you own is the Government's money. It's validity is backed by the US Government. The US Govenment. of the people, by the people.
56 DarkSnowyNight : You benefit from Welfare whether or not you're on the dole. It isn't there because we want to feel good about ourselves. Then you'd have to split a l
57 Post contains images Mir : Keeping the benefits of government programs but having to pay less for them is a form of welfare. The GOP has been excellent at cutting taxes, but th
58 mham001 : I'm not reading the whole thread, but I am wondering when Newsweek became relevant again. Who cares what they say. They soon won't print anymore and a
59 bjorn14 : Every fiscal entity in the US cannot engage in deficit spending like the Federal government does so why should they be exempt from the laws of econom
60 casinterest : This is fine and Dandy, but the US Government prints that very money. The fact that they can't balance a budget is Congressional issues in budgetary
61 Ken777 : Gee, I thought we only had 100 Senators. Maybe they should be like The Sun in the UK and have a Page 3 Girl. 1. WHy bother when he has basically said
62 DarkSnowyNight : And every other fiscal entity you speak of has nothing like the responsibility on their shoulders either. You're comparing apples to oranguatanges he
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