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2012 Republcan Party Convention - Tampa  
User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13169 posts, RR: 15
Posted (2 years 3 months 14 hours ago) and read 6021 times:

Starting Monday, Aug. 27th and for 4 days, the political Circus comes to Tampa, Florida with the Republican Party Convention to confirm their Presidential and VP Candidates. While much of the Convention is well scripted, some things are not. This is why I have started this thread.

One major potential problem is what is now Hurricane Issac. Based on current tracks, it could make a real mess in Tampa, on Monday and Tuesday, even so much as cause a cancellation, delay or consolidation of events into the later days. This article discusses the potential problems of Issac:
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/s...publican-convention-214010391.html

Then you have the FBI putting out all kinds of warnings about potential terror events, including from domestic, left-wing extremists 'anarchists' groups as well as protesters frustrated with limited access to the convention site, hotels, downtown areas to protest, even peacefully.

Of course, there will be the idiots who will get drunk, get caught with prostitutes, hand out with big time lobbyists getting their votes bought. You have controversial policy platform planks (like zero access to abortion), politicians with big mouths possibly scaring off voters and if Romney, Ryan or other speakers soar or crash in their speeches.

Let us discuss the circus in Tampa here, but keep it civil.   

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User currently offlineWrenchBender From Canada, joined Feb 2004, 1779 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (2 years 3 months 14 hours ago) and read 6006 times:

Quoting LTBEWR (Thread starter):
Let us discuss the circus in Tampa here

Do we really have to ?

Quoting LTBEWR (Thread starter):
but keep it civil.

Fat chance............

WrenchBender



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User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21793 posts, RR: 55
Reply 2, posted (2 years 3 months 14 hours ago) and read 6000 times:

Quoting LTBEWR (Thread starter):
One major potential problem is what is now Hurricane Issac. Based on current tracks, it could make a real mess in Tampa

New drinking game: take a drink every time a speaker tries to associate weathering the hurricane to surviving Obama's first term.   

-Mir



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User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13169 posts, RR: 15
Reply 3, posted (2 years 3 months 5 hours ago) and read 5963 times:

Issac seems to tracking slightly further west, most likely hitting the shore of Alabama, far western 'panhandle' Florida. Still the 'right' and stronger side of this storm will affect with at least heavy rains and higher tides the Tampa area.

Apparently Ann Romney's speech time at the convention has been shifted from what would have a the non-broadcast stations covered Monday night, to the covered Tuesday night, when NJ Gov. Christie will give the keynote speaker. Many pushed for this as it will help show Mitt's better side.


User currently offlinehelvknight From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (2 years 3 months 4 hours ago) and read 5950 times:

Just goes to show. With their agenda they can't even attract a female hurricane.   

User currently offlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8913 posts, RR: 24
Reply 5, posted (2 years 3 months 3 hours ago) and read 5929 times:

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 3):
Apparently Ann Romney's speech time at the convention has been shifted from what would have a the non-broadcast stations covered Monday night, to the covered Tuesday night, when NJ Gov. Christie will give the keynote speaker. Many pushed for this as it will help show Mitt's better side.

Never mind the fact that the major networks don't intend to provide much coverage of the GOP convention, not even the keynote address. But they are giving full prime-time coverage to the Democrat Party convention. We pretty much know what the Dem platform is - they've been in charge for 4 years. You would think that people might be more interested in what the opposition has to offer.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/media/...miss-ann-romney-speech-132806.html

Of course there is no media bias...



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User currently offlinecasinterest From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4747 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (2 years 3 months 2 hours ago) and read 5923 times:

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 5):
Never mind the fact that the major networks don't intend to provide much coverage of the GOP convention, not even the keynote address. But they are giving full prime-time coverage to the Democrat Party convention. We pretty much know what the Dem platform is - they've been in charge for 4 years. You would think that people might be more interested in what the opposition has to offer.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/media/...miss-ann-romney-speech-132806.html

Of course there is no media bias...

Nope there isn't it's called Ratings. Fake news, CNN , and all the other cables will cover most of the converion.

The BIG networks, where real people are sick of the stupid bastards of politics, will have nice shows on.

The Big Networks are being consistant 3 hours of coverage of the Republican Convention, and 3 hours of the Democratic Convention. Fair and Balanced. For the rest of it, folks can tune into into the other networks.

Just because the GOP is bankrolling a 4 day convention to convince everyone that they haven't been taken over by the Tea Party and Social Conservative lunatics, doesn't mean everyone has to pay attention.



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User currently offlinecmf From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (2 years 3 months 2 hours ago) and read 5913 times:

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 5):
Never mind the fact that the major networks don't intend to provide much coverage of the GOP convention

Apart from streaming everything online and three hours of prime time broadcast.

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 5):
But they are giving full prime-time coverage to the Democrat Party convention

Actually the same three hours and online streaming.


User currently offlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8913 posts, RR: 24
Reply 8, posted (2 years 3 months 2 hours ago) and read 5914 times:

Quoting casinterest (Reply 6):
The BIG networks, where real people are sick of the stupid bastards of politics, will have nice shows on.

Here is what they will be showing instead:

http://images.politico.com/global/2012/08/tvlistings.jpg

If you think any of these shows are a more valuable use of your time than listening to candidates for our nation's leadership and trying to understand what they want to do, I begin to understand your political leanings.



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User currently offlinecasinterest From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4747 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (2 years 3 months 2 hours ago) and read 5904 times:

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 8):
If you think any of these shows are a more valuable use of your time than listening to candidates for our nation's leadership and trying to understand what they want to do, I begin to understand your political leanings.

I get my sources by reading the news and Reading their positions on websites . I don't need to spend wasted time watching the Politicians act magnanimous on stage. the crowds going gooey ooey and clapping at every breaking phrase.
I probably won't watch either convention. I'll just watch the highlights on you tube.

You on the other hand feel like something big will happen at this stage, and your political leanings incline you to hang onto every word and phrase. I hang onto actions and policies. Probably why the GOP has lost me, as it has become very much a big government waste land pandering to the Far Right and convincing their members that everyone but themselves is to blame for the mess we are in.



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User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21793 posts, RR: 55
Reply 10, posted (2 years 3 months 1 hour ago) and read 5891 times:

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 8):
If you think any of these shows are a more valuable use of your time than listening to candidates for our nation's leadership and trying to understand what they want to do, I begin to understand your political leanings.

That's Monday. They're covering Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday - three nights, same as the Democrats. Or are you suggesting that the Republicans should get more airtime than the Democrats by virtue of stretching their convention out an extra day?

-Mir



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User currently offlinecmf From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (2 years 3 months 1 hour ago) and read 5890 times:

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 8):
If you think any of these shows are a more valuable use of your time than listening to candidates for our nation's leadership and trying to understand what they want to do, I begin to understand your political leanings.

Why is there a need to listen through every moment of the parties propaganda events?

You talk about political leanings but if the GOP is about personal freedom why complain when it is exercised. Isn't forcing all tv channels to carry the same political event more along the lines of what typically is referred to here as communism...


User currently offlinecasinterest From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4747 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (2 years 3 months 1 hour ago) and read 5886 times:

Quoting cmf (Reply 11):
You talk about political leanings but if the GOP is about personal freedom why complain when it is exercised. Isn't forcing all tv channels to carry the same political event more along the lines of what typically is referred to here as communism...

Remember, the GOP secret mantra, do as we say, not as we do.



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User currently offlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8913 posts, RR: 24
Reply 13, posted (2 years 3 months 1 hour ago) and read 5874 times:

Quoting cmf (Reply 11):
Isn't forcing all tv channels to carry the same political event

Nobody is talking about forcing anyone. But you would think that the keynote speech (remember that's how Obama first became known nationally - Keynote speakers are carefully chosen to set the tone and message of the Party) and the presidential candidate's speech are ones that people would be most interested to hear. I really don't care about most of the other coverage.

Of course the Left hates Ann Romney - every time she speaks pulls more women over to the GOP it seems, which is why the "war on women" rhetoric from the left is reaching fever pitch. They just don't understand how women might not feel that the right to free abortions is the most critical issue in the country, I guess.



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User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21793 posts, RR: 55
Reply 14, posted (2 years 3 months 1 hour ago) and read 5865 times:

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 13):
But you would think that the keynote speech (remember that's how Obama first became known nationally - Keynote speakers are carefully chosen to set the tone and message of the Party) and the presidential candidate's speech are ones that people would be most interested to hear.

And they will be televised on the networks.

Ann Romney is not the keynote speaker, Chris Christie is. And he's speaking on Tuesday.

-Mir

[Edited 2012-08-24 08:56:51]


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User currently offlinecmf From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (2 years 3 months ago) and read 5853 times:

Quoting casinterest (Reply 12):
Remember, the GOP secret mantra, do as we say, not as we do.

Don't forget never admitting they are wrong.

Talking about that.

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 13):
Nobody is talking about forcing anyone. But you would think that the keynote speech (remember that's how Obama first became known nationally - Keynote speakers are carefully chosen to set the tone and message of the Party) and the presidential candidate's speech are ones that people would be most interested to hear. I really don't care about most of the other coverage.

Of course the Left hates Ann Romney - every time she speaks pulls more women over to the GOP it seems, which is why the "war on women" rhetoric from the left is reaching fever pitch. They just don't understand how women might not feel that the right to free abortions is the most critical issue in the country, I guess.

As MIR said, she isn't the keynote speaker. Is it time to start a list of factual errors?


User currently offlinecasinterest From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4747 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (2 years 3 months ago) and read 5853 times:

Quoting Mir (Reply 14):
And they will be televised on the networks.

Ann Romney is not the keynote speaker, Chris Christie is. And he's speaking on Tuesday.

-Mir

I have discovered lately that a few facts don't seem to get in the way of the far right's ridiculous claims on this board.



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User currently offlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8913 posts, RR: 24
Reply 17, posted (2 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 5829 times:

Quoting Mir (Reply 14):
Ann Romney is not the keynote speaker, Chris Christie is.
Quoting cmf (Reply 15):
As MIR said, she isn't the keynote speaker. Is it time to start a list of factual errors?
Quoting casinterest (Reply 16):
I have discovered lately that a few facts don't seem to get in the way of the far right's ridiculous claims on this board.

Chicago Sun Times: "The Republican convention kicks off next Monday in Tampa and Ann Romney delivers the keynote address." http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2012...nn_romney_to_keynote_first_ni.html

Yahoo.News: "Ann Romney had been scheduled to give the keynote speech at Monday's opening night of the Republican National Convention in Tampa. But the Romney campaign is reportedly thinking about moving her address to another night..." http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/n...y-convention-speech-185342569.html

Politico: " the opening night of the convention and the night that Ann Romney has been scheduled to deliver the keynote address." http://www.politico.com/blogs/media/...miss-ann-romney-speech-132806.html

I am waiting for apologies. I don't really know how there can be two keynote speeches, but there you go.



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User currently offlinecasinterest From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4747 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (2 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 5818 times:

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 17):
I am waiting for apologies. I don't really know how there can be two keynote speeches, but there you go.

No Apologies from me. Chris Christie is giving the keynote for the GOP convention. Any Republican that doesn't know that, does not deserve an apology.
Maybe keynote for a night counts in Republican land, but since they have 4 nights, that is a lot more bluster and blubbery than I can stand.



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User currently offlinecmf From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (2 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 5810 times:

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 17):
I am waiting for apologies. I don't really know how there can be two keynote speeches, but there you go.

Official Monday schedule: http://www.gopconvention2012.com/new...elease-monday-convention-schedule/

Official Tuesday schedule: http://www.gopconvention2012.com/new...lease-tuesday-convention-schedule/

From the Tuesday schedule: "Tuesday’s schedule includes the keynote address by New Jersey Governor Chris Christie"

No mention of keynote on Monday's schedule.

Have no idea why some decide to add a second keynote, but I have suspicions.


User currently offline2707200X From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 8713 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (2 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 5803 times:

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 13):
Of course the Left hates Ann Romney

Ann Romney and in this case Laura Bush has got none of the kind of treatment that Hillary Clinton or Michelle Obama has gotten from the Right.

[Edited 2012-08-24 12:13:13]


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User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21793 posts, RR: 55
Reply 21, posted (2 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 5772 times:

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 17):
I am waiting for apologies.

Christie is giving the keynote speech of the convention, according to the convention website. Ann Romney may be giving the keynote speech of Monday night, but that's not the same thing. So I stand by my comments.

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 17):
I don't really know how there can be two keynote speeches, but there you go.

I would always think that the candidates speech is the real keynote speech, but I guess that's neither here nor there.

-Mir



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User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13169 posts, RR: 15
Reply 22, posted (2 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 5760 times:

The above links for the convention agenda is a bit dated (as of the 20th), it shows Ann Romney speaking on Monday.

I don't think Ann Romney is any kind of 'co-keynote' speaker, but rather the alleged change to Tuesday night, perhaps shortly before the Keynote speaker Chris Christie speaks, is to get max exposure in prime time for Romney especially from his biggest fan, his spouse, who is also a somewhat traditional wife, religious, white, Midwestern USA born and bred, Western/Northern European ancestry and someone who is a fairly good speaker.

As to the weather in Tampa during Monday/Tuesday, one major concern is flooding, including high tides with coastal flooding as well as inland flooding from heavy rains.


User currently offlinezippyjet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 5501 posts, RR: 13
Reply 23, posted (2 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 5731 times:

Quoting helvknight (Reply 4):


    

Just watching the audience is a hoot for the GOP convention. Usually the convention folk/delegates look like clean scrubbed folks you'd find at the horrors known as Amway conventions. Of course you'll see plenty of people donning Cowboy 10 gallon hats, plenty of country artists. They will be chatting up how them dang commie liberal Democrats are heathens and are the spawn of the devil...etc. As I say Yee Ha! Meanwhile the big money $$$ Northeast business elite will be behind the scenes at their snazzy golf games and country clubs while bending prostitutes of both sexes with a couple lady boy's and trannies in the mix pounding out their frustrations. And of course the big money lobbyists, big oil, Saudi Arabia and Chinese interests throwing some lavish spare no expense shindigs. Want to see minority groups? There will be plenty of wait staff, gardeners and other service workers at the beckon call of the Wall Street Country Club, Country Singer redneck, bible thump-er set. Hope Issac stays away and the convention is everything the GOP wants it to be. A good time is deserved by all both at the GOP and next week at the Democratic convention.



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User currently offlineseb146 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 11760 posts, RR: 15
Reply 24, posted (2 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 5702 times:

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 13):
the Left hates Ann Romney

Exept that is not true.

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 13):
every time she speaks pulls more women over to the GOP it seems, which is why the "war on women" rhetoric from the left is reaching fever pitch. They just don't understand how women might not feel that the right to free abortions is the most critical issue in the country

Whoo, boy... Where to start with this lie....

The "war on women" rhetoric does not start with Ann Romney. She has nothing to do with it. It starts with old ultra rich white guys making decisions on women's health care. The same ultra rich white guys who scream about how they don't want government making health care decisions. The sole issue to the right-wing is "free abortions" but, if anyone pays any attention to anything from Democrats, they will know one major issue is that birth control should be provided, either free or reduced cost based on income, to all women period. The war on women is about forcing the far right wing extremist views on the entire nation. Forcing everyone to be pro-fetus/anti-life. They love the fetus, hate the baby.

Now... about the convention:

From what I remember about every other convention, there has been a keynote speaker every night of the convention. Ann Romney will give the keynote for Monday and Chris Cristy will give the keynote for Tuesday. Careful what you get mad about in your own party on the right... they will kick you out and hang the title of shame (liberal socialist) around you for all eternity!



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25 krisyyz : I think Ann Romney has been moved to Tuesday night because the major US networks didn't give the GOP convention air time on Monday, and the organizer
26 DarkSnowyNight : I think this is true. But we also have to take into account that Laura & Ann are also quite pleased to take on a much more back seat role here as
27 Post contains links LTBEWR : The first day, Monday, of the Convention has been effectively cancelled but for some technical opening procedures due to the expected affects of Issac
28 Mir : Can't wait for Pat Robertson and Michelle Bachmann to explain this one.... -Mir
29 casinterest : The headache may get worse. As of now, Issac has it's path set on the area around New Orleans. If this settles in as the final track, then the RNC is
30 rutley21 : I wish they would all just leave. It's making Tampa a Zoo. It's a pain to drive in Tampa with them here. Isaac I guess moved away from us. So I don't
31 Revelation : It's more than a headache, it's a migrane. It's going to bring up all those memories of Katrina, and how poorly the GWB Administration handled things
32 LTBEWR : Louisiana Governor Jindal & Mississippi's are not attending the Convention due the expectation of Issac landing in their states. Issac is expected
33 TheCol : It will be interesting to see how they spin that one without inadvertently giving credit to the Democrats.
34 mdsh00 : That's rich given how much professed Republican party members (elected and non-elected) have bashed Hillary Clinton and Michelle Obama (and their dau
35 Post contains links and images stasisLAX : Well, there seems to be a perceived problem (and a lot of "hard" feelings) with certain state delegations (i.e. Nevada, Maine, Louisiana, Minnesota, a
36 LTBEWR : The Ron Paul-libertarians are a wild card the RNC want's to keep quiet as they are anti-war and their very public extrmeism on social spending and tax
37 Revelation : For all the interest leading up to the moment, I doubt I'll watch more than a few minutes of either party's convention. I certainly haven't blocked o
38 2707200X : I am seeing the convention and I have listened to a lot of the speakers, few of them are handing praise to Mitt Romney other than he is a good busines
39 NorthstarBoy : Overall, it was interesting. The two things that stuck in my mind: Paraphrasing Ann Romney: "Philanthropy is a privilege" When you have as much or mor
40 jpetekyxmd80 : Sorry, your personal thoughts, or how you'd wish that body would behave are very, very different from reality. I could spend a long time compiling a
41 LTBEWR : To me what the Republicans call bipartiship is actually extortion, that if Democrats don't go along with tax cuts even to the rich or make massive cut
42 Revelation : A quick look at news sources shows Hurricane Issac is getting the headline, not the RNC. Seems Romney's money is doing a lot of good for the Caymans I
43 Post contains images scbriml : Aside from mentioning it at the RNC and on national television? So, anonymous(ish) donations and not revealing tax returns. Hmmm.
44 Dreadnought : "All Praise XXX, Praise his name", is something out of religions and the 2008 Democratic Party Convention. We don't need that sort of thing. No, it i
45 Revelation : I heard some extended sound bites of Ann Romney's speech and she comes across as down-to-earth, honest and sincere, unlike her hubby who comes across
46 bmacleod : This convention reminds me of the 1992 convention. In 1992 there was Pat Buchanan who like Ron Paul this year got a significant number of delegate vot
47 Mir : Then why do we see people in the House recoiling at the idea of 5:1 or even 10:1 cuts-to-taxes ratios? The line is always "no tax increases at all, w
48 Dreadnought : Because we don't believe it. Politicians (on both sides) like to describe a reduction of the rate of increase as a cut. Let's say the current budget
49 DarkSnowyNight : Because it is. When you have services that stay the same, relative to an increasing population size, it absolutely is a reduction in spending, unless
50 casinterest : Then why won;'t the TP agree to revoking the Bush Tax cuts. Those cuts , then and there would go back to the Deficit Reduction and Balanced Budget pl
51 Post contains links helvknight : Fox News actually being fair and balanced http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/.../paul-ryans-speech-in-three-words/
52 LTBEWR : That is one of the few times I agreed with something from FoxNews. At least Ryan made some general points of policy he supports although still vague
53 Revelation : Whatever it is, the need exists 24/7. If people in Romney's income bracket were paying anything like their historical tax rate, maybe there'd be the
54 Mir : When the FoxNews opinion page says a Republican is being deceptive, he's got to be really deceptive. -Mir
55 flyingturtle : You aren't a conservative anymore?
56 mt99 : OK question: Are there speakers using teleprompters?
57 flymia : I've seen a lot of talk about Ryan's GM plant statement. Surpised people can't read carefully. from Ryan's speech: "A lot of guys I went to high schoo
58 Post contains images Revelation : Actually, I was a Reagan Republican in the 80s, then I grew up!
59 garnetpalmetto : Not sure on usage, but they're most certainly there. I can't imagine why they wouldn't be using them.
60 casinterest : Yes they are. They are using them for pacing. I think honestly it was what ruined Ann Romney's speech. She was rushing trying to catch the telempromp
61 flymia : Condoleezza Rice did not use a prompter. I would imagine most are using them. Wonder who the "mystery" speaker is. People say Clint Eastwood. I'm thr
62 garnetpalmetto : Thanks cas. Again, I figured they were in use but given how certain blowhards like to demonize the use of them as of late, there may have been some r
63 mt99 : My point exactly. Hopefully now the old "Obama teleprompter reader" can be put to rest
64 PHLBOS : There's nothing wrong w/using teleprompters in and of themselves; what Obama's been guilty of is over-relying on them even when there's glitch w/one.
65 Mir : I'm surprised you aren't seeing the point of the criticism. He didn't say the plant would automatically be there, he said it would be there if the go
66 mt99 : Can you please expand: What is "over relying" exactly.? What is the measure and threshold ?
67 Post contains links mt99 : WOW Even Fox News doesn't like Ryan " Dazzling, Deceiving, Distracting" http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/.../paul-ryans-speech-in-three-words/
68 PHLBOS : Some signs of when one is over-relying on a teleprompter: 1. When one is repeating the same sentence for no rhyme or reason. 2. When one reads a prom
69 mt99 : Interesting! is that the comprehensive list or are there more? If you do 1 out of 3 above you are in the clear? Also - is there an acceptable percent
70 Post contains links PHLBOS : I will let you be the judge with the below-link: http://www.youtube.com/results?searc...8.38.1.1.0...0.0...1ac.d6Ts9tOBhLE
71 Post contains links windy95 : Wrong the plant was still open. It closed 6 months after he took office in June of 2009... http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-T...yan-Was-Correct-Abo
72 casinterest : Not fox news, that is an opionion
73 mt99 : That did not answer my question. The answer to my question is a number, Can you provide it? or no? You must be able to.. i mean how else do you diffe
74 Post contains links and images flymia : Here is an examples http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMszKcpn2DU I see the point of the criticism from Obama's campaign. Honestly I don't think Ryan sh
75 Aesma : I'd say the criticism should be that if Obama had saved the plant, then Ryan would have said it's socialist and unamerican.
76 Ken777 : Just looked at the news on TV and Romney was on the podium checking out it's height, probably a sound check and, of course, ensuring that his teleprom
77 flymia : Probably not, because Ryan was on a task force that wanted to give the plant tax breaks and government funding but from what I read city and state fu
78 Aesma : I searched a little and couldn't find a definitive answer, so I ask you. Is there another occasion for political parties in the US to assemble and wor
79 casinterest : Woo hoo 57 workers doing Izuzu work, after over 2000 were let go in Dec 2008.
80 Mir : It had already produced its last vehicle for GM at that point, and was running on a token staff whose days were clearly numbered. The death warrant h
81 Post contains links dragon-wings : Paul Ryan made a few claims in last nights speech that were not true or he didn't tell the whole truth. http://nbcpolitics.nbcnews.com/_news...ned%20t
82 Post contains links dragon-wings : I remember what the 3 claim was. Ryan claimed that Obama was responsible for a downgrade of the U.S. government's credit rating. Scott Pelley of CBS n
83 LTBEWR : As to the use of 'teleprompters', there are very good reasons to use them by politicians. They don't want to make a mistatement of critical issues, mi
84 Dreadnought : Look her up. She's very far left. Her position is hardly a surprise. Check out Clint Eastwood's speech. He's not using the teleprompter - he's not ev
85 jpetekyxmd80 : This is a complete train wreck, I am honestly in shock.
86 Mir : And you're a trained actor. -Mir
87 casinterest : Things go great when the GOP talks about the economy, but then when you let Rubio go religion and Social Conservatism, you open up a big can of worms.
88 Post contains links Marcus : This is how we feed animals.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvuqZ318Zkw http://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshh2FvSql8vpQlbUoy0 http
89 Post contains images 727LOVER : Romney has spoken..... ......so to all the repulicans & the media.....as a resident of the great city of Tampa, I can finally say..... GET THE HEL
90 tugger : I know we deserve better... but how is anyone suddenly going to get both parties to work together to make things works and get things passed in the Co
91 Post contains images flymia : May I ask what was the point of posting this? You just gave us the link and said nothing. When someone does that I can only assume the point of it wa
92 N174UA : No, not anymore. 15 years or so ago, maybe. But not with the pathetic "leaders" Pelosi, Reid, and Boehner. Last time there was any real leadership wa
93 727LOVER : Keep in mind, Tampa bid on the 2012 Olympics----& got RNC. Not sure they would have bid on latter if they had won the former. Second, I wasn't sp
94 PlanesNTrains : Sorry, but sub "DEM" in for "GOP" and "Far Left" for "Far Right" and it would be just as true. Amazing how we have to make sure to point to "white",
95 Post contains images EA CO AS : So what? You want a medal?
96 Post contains images DarkSnowyNight : I doubt it, since A. it was a GOP gathering & B. Medals are taxable income.
97 Aesma : Nobody ?
98 cedarjet : I thought Clint Eastwood was an appalling debacle, made me feel sorry for the man and almost sorry for the party. This is their celebrity spokesman? A
99 casinterest : Mine was specifically in reference to what happened 2000-2008, and why they lost me. 2008-2012 is still sepcifically a result of the great recession.
100 Rara : If THAT's the alternative, give me a teleprompter any day. I just watched the "speech" because I couldn't believe it was as bad as people made it out
101 jpetekyxmd80 : Yeah... I think its even worse to read the transcript. "I mean, what do you say to people? Do you just -- you know -- I know -- people were wondering
102 LTBEWR : They do have various other meetings each year and leading up to the every 4th year national convention. The Presidential conventions are mainly huge
103 jpetekyxmd80 : I don't see this as resulting in much of a post convention 'bounce'. I'd call it a par for the course. Next week, Obama will have a chance to assert h
104 windy95 : Eastwood did what he was supposed to do, entertain. If he was doing that to Bush then no one on the left would of had a problem with it. Thanks Clint
105 windy95 : Sure sounds like Obama was telling these people he would do something. So either he did not know what was happening to this plant when he made these
106 flymia : They were expecting 5,000+ protesters. When Issac was a threat they did not show up. The only good thing Issac has done. Well it will also give much
107 casinterest : The speech was February of 2008. Maybe you don't recall that at that point, the dow was still at 12200, still waiting to plunge to 8000 by october of
108 Revelation : Right. Who was the guy who crashed out of the GOP primaries after he couldn't name the three departments of government he vowed to eliminate? They ha
109 mbmbos : Riiiiiiight. Yep, that'll work. Since he's got all of Cheney's neocons already onboard as foreign policy advisors, we'll be at war with Iran within t
110 us330 : I agree. Now that the GOP has their candidate, I hope Mitt can begin to tack back toward the center and deemphasize some of the strict ideology. Mitt
111 Revelation : And Obama's best strategy is to say "will you be better off with a return to the policies of Bush and Cheney"?
112 Dreadnought : To which we can all laugh and remind him that Bush and Cheney are not running this year.
113 Mir : Except that they've had their candidate for a while now, if only unofficially, yet the social issues have been coming up. To which the answer should
114 mbmbos : ...and yet we're still cleaning up from that administration. Two useless and unnecessary wars that cost us trillions, tax giveaways to the very wealt
115 windy95 : Nice try but Obama visited the same plant twice and the second speech which part of it is below was in October right before the election and two mont
116 casinterest : GM got the bailout, what they did with it was up to the, OBama only said . Not trying to make decsions for GM. I get it, so you think Obama should ha
117 bmacleod : Is it just me or did Romney's speech sound a lot like Sen. John Kerry's DNC acceptance speech in 2004? Dull, uninspired and lack of direction....
118 seb146 : I also heard that, at the same time Romney was waxing poetic on his love of small business, the small business of selling trinkets were not allowed w
119 cws818 : While that is true, one could argue that some of their ideas are.
120 casinterest : I don't think it was lack of direction. It was just a political pandering speech, where he finally started to get a little tough with Obama. Unfortun
121 Post contains images bmacleod : Yes. If I were American and Clint Eastwood was 20-30 years younger and running for President, I'd vote for him in a heartbeat....
122 Post contains images scbriml : You call that entertainment? It was a train wreck. That would only be the start of a different debacle.
123 Post contains links mt99 : No no, no.. THIS is entertainment!! http://www.thedailyshow.com/full-epi...-august-31-2012-?xrs=synd_facebook
124 Post contains links and images Dreadnought : You are in a minority. Republicans and Independents tended to like it. http://www.surveyusa.com/client/Poll...dd16fe-4fad-4218-a638-fbda08c8d518 You
125 flyguy89 : Really? The unemployment rate in 2008 was 5.8%, today it is 8.2%, jobless claims have increased, employers are dropping private health insurance, foo
126 2707200X : It can be said that Clint Eastwood was brought to the RNC convention because his movie characters from his early to middle career represents the ideal
127 Post contains images scbriml : Out of a grand total of 754 votes? A whole 754 votes?
128 tugger : The biggest problem though is the fact that THE talk of the Republican convention is Clint's "talk" and not Gov. Romney's speech or even really Rep.
129 Post contains links Mir : Seems like he was supposed to just give an endorsement speech, and the campaign staff wasn't thrilled with how things played out. http://www.nytimes.
130 DeltaMD90 : I can't tell if this is a scientific poll, but yes, you can get a very good representation of a huge population with only several hundred responses i
131 Post contains images PlanesNTrains : We'll find out in November, but a lot of the liberals that I know are not thrilled with how Obama has done. For a number of them, they aren't really
132 flyguy89 : Here's the thing, I too would have preferred Hillary by a long shot. While the Clinton's are leftists to a "T", they're more populists than anything,
133 Post contains images scbriml : And just how scientific and representative is a poll of 754 Floridians? Heck, most of them are probably as old as Eastwood.
134 tugger : Dread, what are you talking about? Regarding Clint Eastwood's speech, the poll you link to shows that less than half (41% in question 4 and 49% in qu
135 EA CO AS : By that logic, one could also argue that Jimmy Carter's or even Lyndon Johnson's ideas are running this year on the Democratic side as well.[Edited 2
136 tugger : This is my feeling too. What will be different under Republican leadership that they could not have done over the last four years? The ability to com
137 Revelation : Indeed the problem for Romney is that time is ticking by and no one is talking about him, they're all talking about Eastwooding... The whole episode s
138 flyingturtle : With 754 people polled, and exactly 50% of the people being in favor of Romney and 50% in favor of Obama, the true of percentages of the whole popula
139 bmacleod : Pres. George W Bush opted not to attend this years convention (his father too; mainly for declining health). Anyone know when the last time a former p
140 DeltaMD90 : Take a stats class and get back to me, this is basic statistics. If they pull from a pool of Florida residents it'll be an accurate representation of
141 tugger : It is not an accurate representation of "Florida". I am not knocking statistics or statistical science, the poll itself states that it is not a repre
142 casinterest : Reagan's crash had nothing to do with a Global Financial crisis and housing bubble. To get out of his Mess, Reagan , started running deficits and cut
143 flyguy89 : I disagree. While there was no Euro crisis, Reagan did have to deal with the Soviet Union as well as it's imminent implosion and the financial and ge
144 cws818 : Oh, yeah, that L.B.J., he was such a horrible President..... I notice you didn't mention Bill Clinton's ideas. Thankfully, those are alive and well.
145 casinterest : What? The Soviet Union went down after Reagen. The US economy was just beginning to become engrossed in the world. The biggest dangers to the US, wer
146 flyguy89 : Reread what I wrote, key word being "imminent". When Reagan came into office the Soviets had just invaded Afghanistan, and towards the end of his pre
147 casinterest : Economically is the misnomer, The problem is that you are measuring it against US dollars, when that is the problem. The US worker can't compete with
148 flyguy89 : Nor could they compete at the time with Japanese labor with the undervalued Yen. After the 1986 Tax Reform Act there were just two tax brackets, 15%
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